The Vigor barrier!!

Carl-lan · August 2016

Same here. I had never done pvp before and the only reason I went in was to get this skill. But I just joined a group each time I went in and after 2 days playing a couple of hours each I had the skill... It doesn't take long.

I mean, sure it would be good if there was another way to get it but really... It's not that hard. And I actually liked PvP in the end. Got the hang of it after a few hours, was fun. I'll prob go back to get caltrops.

Cool story.

Shadesofkin · August 2016

It's definitely a nightmare. I loathe being in cyrodil.

The reason it can often feel like it takes days or weeks is that for some of us, the very playing of pvp is so mind numbingly boring and awful that it feels like it drags on. It's like doing an 8 hour shift of work and knowing that it's nearly done, but that time is just dragging in your mind.

Cyrodil is terrible for players like me, it's an awful boring experience that lacks plot or mood, with no narrative or reason to engage in it (at least not one that motivates me).

grumlins · August 2016

People who play pvp are missing the point entirely.

OP is stating that there is a pvp barrier to this skill that people in pve basically call for by name when joining to run dungeons.

There is no PVE equivalent. It's the same for many another skill there are missing skills that should have a pve equivalent so that people have a choice as to what playstyle they wish to play.

All other arguments about time, difficulty, etc are irrelevant, MMOs that have multiple ways of getting similar skills for their respective play styles is the argument here and it's a valid one.

Bomb sorcerer for example, the skill in pvp that causes a timed explosion doesn't have a PVE equivalent and it's been a pain in the side of many a PVE only player for some time now. Why not form a skill line that has similar PVE replacements? What's the harm?

Dusho_Edin · August 2016

Not to be "that guy" but if you ask anyone that i play with on a regular basis what i do in the game the answer would be all i ever do is PVE Raids Pledges VMA that sort of thing. Now with that said Vigor does not need to be any easier to get, i just took my Stam Sorc into Cyro (honestly like my 5th time actually in there in 2 years) And it took me about 6 hours to get vigor.. Keep in mind i NEVER PVP and did not really have a group per se but it is so easy now to get it does not need to be any easier.

RoyalSlyness · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

Tell ya what, I'll support this since you don't want to PVP if I can not be forced to do PVE to get competitive items I need for PVP. Sound good?

PeggymoeXD · August 2016

You must be new. Vigor was already nerfed and became extremely easy to obtain. I was one of the players who had to grind to alliance rank 24 in order to get vigor. Now you can literally get it in a few hours. I understand you don't enjoy pvp'ing, but seriously, you could make a sandwich, park it at an assaulted keep, and soak up the AP.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

and i dont want to be forced to pve dungeons for the stuff i want. maybe if im wearing pvp gear i should get all the dungeon sets just for taking the quest? it really wouldnt be fair if i have to play the content to get whats in the content... now that doesnt sound right does it?

85flyingbrick_ESO · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

60K AP is super quick. All you need to do is run around doing anything AOE at a keep take to rake in points. The current cost is nealy 90% less than it was before it was nerfed.

Afortunado · August 2016

It took me 2 days to get it as a casual having never done any pvping (Bough the game end of June). Played 4-6 hours each of those 2 nights. I don't see what the fuss is about...

Now I've got Assault and Support maxed, and enjoy PVP occasionally.

Unsent.Soul · August 2016

grumlins wrote: »

Bomb sorcerer for example, the skill in pvp that causes a timed explosion doesn't have a PVE equivalent and it's been a pain in the side of many a PVE only player for some time now. Why not form a skill line that has similar PVE replacements? What's the harm?

I've NEVER seen/heard a sorc needing proxy det to be viable in dungeons or trials.

Vigor is useful in MA/VMA mainly. Sure it's great in other areas but you would typically be with a group, if your with a group and vigor is the main heal, that group is doomed for failure.

There's a big difference between want and need.

People want vigor but don't want to pvp. People that pvp want undaunted passives or VMA weapons bur you don't see a single thread asking for these things to be made easier purely for pvp players.

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

Kelces wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Pvpers are forced to do some pve tho, if they want undaunted passives.

God I hate those PvPers who don't even change their build for doing the pledge... And who list themselves as DPS, Tank and Healer... Like those sorcs who run destro/resto, or those dks spamming dizzying swing...

Talk about elitism...

lmfao no. I stand by this guy 500%. Some people literally come in heavy armour nd do like 3k dps. It's thing apperantlty.

logosloki · August 2016

grumlins wrote: »

People who play pvp are missing the point entirely.

OP is stating that there is a pvp barrier to this skill that people in pve basically call for by name when joining to run dungeons.

There is no PVE equivalent. It's the same for many another skill there are missing skills that should have a pve equivalent so that people have a choice as to what playstyle they wish to play.

All other arguments about time, difficulty, etc are irrelevant, MMOs that have multiple ways of getting similar skills for their respective play styles is the argument here and it's a valid one.

Bomb sorcerer for example, the skill in pvp that causes a timed explosion doesn't have a PVE equivalent and it's been a pain in the side of many a PVE only player for some time now. Why not form a skill line that has similar PVE replacements? What's the harm?

That would be great because then PvP players could get PvP replacements for Fighters guild, Mages guild and Undaunted. Maybe even a pvp replacement for all the World skills as well.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · August 2016

grumlins wrote: »

People who play pvp are missing the point entirely.

OP is stating that there is a pvp barrier to this skill that people in pve basically call for by name when joining to run dungeons.

There is no PVE equivalent. It's the same for many another skill there are missing skills that should have a pve equivalent so that people have a choice as to what playstyle they wish to play.

All other arguments about time, difficulty, etc are irrelevant, MMOs that have multiple ways of getting similar skills for their respective play styles is the argument here and it's a valid one.

Bomb sorcerer for example, the skill in pvp that causes a timed explosion doesn't have a PVE equivalent and it's been a pain in the side of many a PVE only player for some time now. Why not form a skill line that has similar PVE replacements? What's the harm?

I would love not to have to PvE to get to level 10 before I can PvP.
I would love to never again run around carebear land collecting the same dumb books I'll NEVER read to unlock meteor and might of the guild.
I would love to never have to sit in a group and DPS a glowing ghost while it utters ominous phrases at me that sound like they belong in a sharknado movie.

But these are things I have to do to EVERY character I want to level up to use in PvP. There are far more PvE requirements in this game than PvP. PvE'ers are fed with a silver spoon and then still complain. Remember when ZOS neglected PvP for a year and a half, giving us NO updates and 10FPS while the focused solely on PvE? Bet you don't because you were too busy pretending you were Ulfrag the Mighty. Fears no NPC but is terrified of fighting a non-AI opponent that has more than 2 basic attacks.

Give me a way to fight people in PvP that will unlock 40 skill points, fighters/mages/undaunted then I will petition for a PvE way to get vigor.

It's a mixed PvP/PvE game. We both have to do things we don't like.

Iselin · August 2016

Sallington wrote: »

Let me know the time and effort it takes to get Fighters Guild Rank 10or Undaunted 9

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm shocked by the amount of people giving the OP a hard time about this thread. There's no reason that Vigor shouldn't also be accessible through gaining XP in PVE.

Just because it doesn't take as long to get Vigor now compared to "back in our day," doesn't mean the OP should be getting bashed for it. It's a legitimate complaint that ZOS forces players to play a game mode they don't want to play.

I think most of it comes from the fact that pvpers need to grind out pve for things as well. So most feel if I have to do something i dont like to compete in something i do like, then so should you.

If that's their logic, then they shouldn't bash the OP, they should make a legitimate claim for PVP-centered XP and being able to unlock skills through PVP means.

Unless they think it is fair that both have to do something they dont like.

Not sure why they'd prefer to do something they don't like and insist that others drudge through a similar circumstance rather than advocate for positive changes. Maybe that's too logical for most, though. Easier to drag others down than promote positive change for everyone.

But it's not a positive change. Making it easier to get would trivialize it just the same as if Rally was the first skill you got in the 2HD line.

Lylith · August 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

not a bad setup for pvp, actually.

WldKarde · August 2016

Been at this ESO thing since the start on PC, but this is also my first MMO.

I unlocked Vigor on my main quite some time ago...but hated the experience.

This go around I created a character who was going to run Pvp as long as BWB was available.

All I can say is OMFG! If you just go into Cyrodiil knowing that you WILL die to those who are either better than you...or that just have better numbers on their side...it can bee so much FUN!

Count me as a convert!

I can safely say that there is NO content in ESO that I haven't found to be fun to play...

at least once I gave it a real chance that is

Yes some skills or rewards take time to achieve, but most of the time if you give the journey a chance...ya just might find that the road to your goals is actually quite fun.

Lucius_Aelius · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

Umm... Wut? 60k AP is insane? I'm sorry but LMFAO. That's one day of playing tops, heck could do that in a few hours if we're going non-stop and getting into a lot of good fights. I'm sorry you think it's so bad, but it's not bad at all actually, not even a little bit. Just stahp this and deal with it, seriously even if it takes a few days per character that's still a drop in the bucket compared to what it takes to max out a character and make them ready for challenging content.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · August 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

Umm... Wut? 60k AP is insane? I'm sorry but LMFAO. That's one day of playing tops, heck could do that in a few hours if we're going non-stop and getting into a lot of good fights. I'm sorry you think it's so bad, but it's not bad at all actually, not even a little bit. Just stahp this and deal with it, seriously even if it takes a few days per character that's still a drop in the bucket compared to what it takes to max out a character and make them ready for challenging content.

I sure wish there was a way to get Undaunted 10 , Mages guild 10, and 50 skyshards in a few hours. Or even just one day. Then things would be even.

MrAppleman · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

You mean a few hours? It's not hard. Even if it was a few days so what? This game is meant to be played for months if not years and you can't deal with 2 days of pvp to get a skill you clearly want/need/value.

Seriously? Can't vMA without vigor? Then don't vMA. Don't want to complete content to get its rewards? Shut the hell up.
Why should anything you want be achievable the way you want?
When are you going to stop? This game is nerfed enough already.

Glamdring · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

HUGE pvp barrier? A couple days tops for a casual players who has no idea how to play pvp. Took me 3 months of pvping to get vigor for my stamina build before it was nerfed into the ground. But i guess u want all skills unlocked and at max lvl first time u logg into the game. Theese youngsters and their mentality scare me, what will the future hold.

Kelces · August 2016

Looks like people intentionally overlook comments stating, that vigor is not needed for whatever PvE challenge.

Here, I'll summarize them for you:

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

It's clearly a l2p issue. Before ic, we used rally for our heals, we were badass back then. Now we're weak because we rely on vigor to heal. Stop complaining.

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Bigevilpeter
Man the carebearness is strong with you; as many pointed out it used to cost a lot more AP, frankly I wish it went back to that just to screw with people since I'm already a two time palatine (one on PC and one on console).

Vigor isn't essential for PvE content such as vMSA, I've done it without it on my stam character before simply because I forgot about it and didn't put skill points (my limited points) into it after I was experimenting. I'm a DK and Stam DK is suppose to be the hardest to complete vMSA on at-least from what I've heard so that's no excuse mate.

You know, I came to think about it like this: Somebody once put a slice of a lemon into his beer, another person saw this and not long after this everybody went on to say "You need a lemon to your Corona!" It's just an opinion, not the absolute truth...

clayandaudrey_ESO · August 2016

Kelces wrote: »

Looks like people intentionally overlook comments stating, that vigor is not needed for whatever PvE challenge.

Here, I'll summarize them for you:

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

It's clearly a l2p issue. Before ic, we used rally for our heals, we were badass back then. Now we're weak because we rely on vigor to heal. Stop complaining.

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Bigevilpeter
Man the carebearness is strong with you; as many pointed out it used to cost a lot more AP, frankly I wish it went back to that just to screw with people since I'm already a two time palatine (one on PC and one on console).

Vigor isn't essential for PvE content such as vMSA, I've done it without it on my stam character before simply because I forgot about it and didn't put skill points (my limited points) into it after I was experimenting. I'm a DK and Stam DK is suppose to be the hardest to complete vMSA on at-least from what I've heard so that's no excuse mate.

You know, I came to think about it like this: Somebody once put a slice of a lemon into his beer, another person saw this and not long after this everybody went on to say "You need a lemon to your Corona!" It's just an opinion, not the absolute truth...

But but I use a LIME

laksikus · August 2016

i like threads like that
and i just found out that im elitist, cos i find OP completly ridicolous

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Glamdring wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

HUGE pvp barrier? A couple days tops for a casual players who has no idea how to play pvp. Took me 3 months of pvping to get vigor for my stamina build before it was nerfed into the ground. But i guess u want all skills unlocked and at max lvl first time u logg into the game. Theese youngsters and their mentality scare me, what will the future hold.

I'm surprised that those of us who don't want to waste their time on tedious stuff are the kids?

maybe we dont have as much free time as you and things that take too long for no reason should be reduced so that those who don't have that much time can access to the basic stuff.

no other game btw forced you to level every single skill in the game.

those hardcore players will always be better on gear, gold and gameplay but tedious grinding for no reason only proves how much time you've wasted nothing more

Anti_Virus · August 2016

Get ready OP for the Toxic PVPers to call you a "carebear" and a scrub

Unsent.Soul · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Glamdring wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

HUGE pvp barrier? A couple days tops for a casual players who has no idea how to play pvp. Took me 3 months of pvping to get vigor for my stamina build before it was nerfed into the ground. But i guess u want all skills unlocked and at max lvl first time u logg into the game. Theese youngsters and their mentality scare me, what will the future hold.

I'm surprised that those of us who don't want to waste their time on tedious stuff are the kids?

maybe we dont have as much free time as you and things that take too long for no reason should be reduced so that those who don't have that much time can access to the basic stuff.

no other game btw forced you to level every single skill in the game.

those hardcore players will always be better on gear, gold and gameplay but tedious grinding for no reason only proves how much time you've wasted nothing more

You say you don't have enough time, so things should just be reduced or given to you because you have a life?

Those of us that had/have enough time just wasted it on getting vigor and other things.

Entitled much? Feel special?

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Get ready OP for the Toxic PVPers to call you a "carebear" and a scrub

You're about 6 pages too late...

Jaronking · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Glamdring wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

HUGE pvp barrier? A couple days tops for a casual players who has no idea how to play pvp. Took me 3 months of pvping to get vigor for my stamina build before it was nerfed into the ground. But i guess u want all skills unlocked and at max lvl first time u logg into the game. Theese youngsters and their mentality scare me, what will the future hold.

I'm surprised that those of us who don't want to waste their time on tedious stuff are the kids?

maybe we dont have as much free time as you and things that take too long for no reason should be reduced so that those who don't have that much time can access to the basic stuff.

no other game btw forced you to level every single skill in the game.

those hardcore players will always be better on gear, gold and gameplay but tedious grinding for no reason only proves how much time you've wasted nothing more

If you believe this than I promise you you won't beat Vet MA.That's all it is a tedious grind.Plus this game doesn't force you to level every skill you chose to if you want to complete the contents you do the work.The reason the majority of players in this thread disagree with you is because they already reduced it twice.So if you can't get it now in a few hours at most a few days its your own fault.Players like you are the reason content gets nerfed into the ground for no reason.If you can't do it or don't want to do it than don't so the content.Its that simple.Am pretty sure after you unlock vigor and go into Vet MA your going to be back here asking for them to Nerf Vet MA so you can beat it.I dam sure you won't beat it.

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Glamdring wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

HUGE pvp barrier? A couple days tops for a casual players who has no idea how to play pvp. Took me 3 months of pvping to get vigor for my stamina build before it was nerfed into the ground. But i guess u want all skills unlocked and at max lvl first time u logg into the game. Theese youngsters and their mentality scare me, what will the future hold.

I'm surprised that those of us who don't want to waste their time on tedious stuff are the kids?

maybe we dont have as much free time as you and things that take too long for no reason should be reduced so that those who don't have that much time can access to the basic stuff.

no other game btw forced you to level every single skill in the game.

those hardcore players will always be better on gear, gold and gameplay but tedious grinding for no reason only proves how much time you've wasted nothing more

If you believe this than I promise you you won't beat Vet MA.That's all it is a tedious grind.Plus this game doesn't force you to level every skill you chose to if you want to complete the contents you do the work.The reason the majority of players in this thread disagree with you is because they already reduced it twice.So if you can't get it now in a few hours at most a few days its your own fault.Players like you are the reason content gets nerfed into the ground for no reason.If you can't do it or don't want to do it than don't so the content.Its that simple.Am pretty sure after you unlock vigor and go into Vet MA your going to be back here asking for them to Nerf Vet MA so you can beat it.I dam sure you won't beat it.

even if they did ever ultra nerf vmsa this guy is far too lazy to beat it. Hell, he can't even stand in front of a castle amd collect ap a couple times.

people like him in particular keep sucking enjoyability out of this game, drop by drop.

Kelces · August 2016

Bottom line for this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDcoX7s6rE

phreatophile · August 2016

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Get ready OP for the Toxic PVPers to call you a "carebear" and a scrub

6 pages of exactly that. It's no wonder there are people with no interest in the Star Wars Bar Scene that is PVP. You wouldn't tolerate these personalities IRL for more a few minutes.

Get in, get the AP in whatever cheesy way works, don't look back. The way it is now is already the compromise position so they are highly unlikely to change it again.