The Vigor barrier!!

Airyus · August 2016

Ummm I don't PVE but I want every maelstrom master weapon. VMA barrier! Give VMA master weapons in pvp reward mails.

That's fair right?

Few more hits and I'm done for the night.

Sneaky-Snurr · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

@Bigevilpeter You are one lazy bum are you?
1. Previously, Vigour can be unlocked at Level 7 (or max?) Alliance Skill line. Now it only takes only a few levels to get it.
2. @ZOS made it easier for everyone to get more APs as the rate has since gone up slightly

FYI, I'm a casual player and I don't have any beef with the amount of AP it took to get Vigour before the change. I only have beef with the lag spikes that's been occurring more than usual lately.

GrumpyDuckling · August 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

It's literally only 88,000 AP to get it.

Before it was 364,000 AP.

and before that it was Rank 10 Alliance.

APPRECIATE THE CHANGES MADE FOR VIGOR

Watch out, you'll be called an elitist and all kinds of other things... right @GrumpyDuckling ?

Not sure what you're talking about, I haven't called anyone anything. But if you'd like to go ahead and offer a logical argument as to why Vigor shouldn't also be available through gaining PVE experience, please do so - it would contribute much more to the discussion than falsely accusing people. Thanks.

Qbiken · August 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Vigor barrier.
What's next? Mages guild barrier? Undaunted barrier? Fighters guild barrier? Need to click 2 times to launch the game barrier?
I'm sorry but all skills are easy to get now.

Well, not all. Proxydet took me a over 2 weeks to get XD. But generally speaking you´re absolutely right,

Qbiken · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

The more time you spend practicing on something the better you usually become. It determines dedication and skill, something that most of today´s gamers doesn´t seem to appriciate that much. Everything shall just be served on a silver platter instant. Hard work and detication shall always be rewarded.

BruhItsOver9000 · August 2016

It's clearly a l2p issue. Before ic, we used rally for our heals, we were badass back then. Now we're weak because we rely on vigor to heal. Stop complaining.

Volrion · August 2016

This thread is absurd.

If you're not great at Pvp, just Zerg blob and it'll take less than a day man. You'll probably find it really fun once you figure out how it all works. When Cyrodiil is performing, it's great fun.

This game is so accessible now, which I think is great (Becase I love to run alts over and over).

But I definitely don't think it needs to be watered down any further.

thankyourat · August 2016

I think it's good that some skills and armor are hidden behind a "barrier" it forces you to try different parts of the game because in all honesty if you haven't PvPd enough to get vigor you don't know if you like PvP or not because you really haven't tried it. I think all the trial gear and everything is in a good place right now. The only thing I think that needs to be changed is the undaunted passives. They should take less time to get than they do currently.

Aneca · August 2016

Comparing Undaunted and VMA weapons to Alliance skills is not valid, in my opinion.

Undaunted skills and VMA weapons are not just handed to PVEers. Both PVPer and PVEer earn Undaunted at the same rate. Both have to complete VMA for the weapons. PVEers have no particular advantage in earning these.

PVPers, on the other hand, will earn their Alliance skills without additional effort. They go about their daily PVP business and earn AP the same way they earn levels or Champion points. Better players (or those with more efficient tactics) will earn their skills faster.

Personally, I dislike the practice of locking skills or currencies (e.g., TV stones) that are useful for all players behind a particular play-style gate. Taking this to the extreme, what if there was a Ultra Super must-have skill that could only be earned by role playing?

And @GrumpyDuckling , thank you for trying to be the calm voice of reason.

Cogo · August 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

This is incredible... People still complaining about how long it takes to get vigor... just like all things, if you want it, go out and get it.

Stop expecting them to hand vigor out to everyone because you can't kill someone.

It's stupid easy to get vigor now, deal with it.

Some players will always complain no matter how easy/fast something is. If it takes 2 seconds, then its 1 to many, lol.

Alliance war skill line was really cool how it was before. Each level meant a lot and rewarded Good pvpers. Just like Dungeons rewards good teamplayers.

It's sick how fast it is now and it nuts that someone complains lol!

thankyourat · August 2016

Aneca wrote: »

Comparing Undaunted and VMA weapons to Alliance skills is not valid, in my opinion.

Undaunted skills and VMA weapons are not just handed to PVEers. Both PVPer and PVEer earn Undaunted at the same rate. Both have to complete VMA for the weapons. PVEers have no particular advantage in earning these.

PVPers, on the other hand, will earn their Alliance skills without additional effort. They go about their daily PVP business and earn AP the same way they earn levels or Champion points. Better players (or those with more efficient tactics) will earn their skills faster.

Personally, I dislike the practice of locking skills or currencies (e.g., TV stones) that are useful for all players behind a particular play-style gate. Taking this to the extreme, what if there was a Ultra Super must-have skill that could only be earned by role playing?

And @GrumpyDuckling , thank you for trying to be the calm voice of reason.

You can make an argument about VMA weapons not being handed out because of rng, but undaunted is no different than alliance war skills. Just do dungeons until your rank is high. so you get it just from playing PvE.

clayandaudrey_ESO · August 2016

Aneca wrote: »

Comparing Undaunted and VMA weapons to Alliance skills is not valid, in my opinion.

Undaunted skills and VMA weapons are not just handed to PVEers. Both PVPer and PVEer earn Undaunted at the same rate. Both have to complete VMA for the weapons. PVEers have no particular advantage in earning these.

PVPers, on the other hand, will earn their Alliance skills without additional effort. They go about their daily PVP business and earn AP the same way they earn levels or Champion points. Better players (or those with more efficient tactics) will earn their skills faster.

You earn alliance skills at the same rate as well. That dog don't hunt.

Izaki · August 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Pvpers are forced to do some pve tho, if they want undaunted passives.

God I hate those PvPers who don't even change their build for doing the pledge... And who list themselves as DPS, Tank and Healer... Like those sorcs who run destro/resto, or those dks spamming dizzying swing...

Aneca · August 2016

A good PVPer will earn AP at a higher rate than a PVE tourist in Cyrodiil. Everyone gets the same amount of points for completing a dungeon.

Kelces · August 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Pvpers are forced to do some pve tho, if they want undaunted passives.

God I hate those PvPers who don't even change their build for doing the pledge... And who list themselves as DPS, Tank and Healer... Like those sorcs who run destro/resto, or those dks spamming dizzying swing...

Talk about elitism...

MaxwellC · August 2016

@Bigevilpeter
Man the carebearness is strong with you; as many pointed out it used to cost a lot more AP, frankly I wish it went back to that just to screw with people since I'm already a two time palatine (one on PC and one on console).

Vigor isn't essential for PvE content such as vMSA, I've done it without it on my stam character before simply because I forgot about it and didn't put skill points (my limited points) into it after I was experimenting. I'm a DK and Stam DK is suppose to be the hardest to complete vMSA on at-least from what I've heard so that's no excuse mate.

Leandor · August 2016

Whenever I read one of these posts, I think back to the good old times where I felt a real sense of accomplishment when I finally earned the 7 million AP on my stamblade to unlock it...

psychotic13 · August 2016

Takes a few hours following a Zerg with a resto, i feel the same about PvE hate playing it, but I have to go and collect over 200 books for meteor, besides vigor used to be way harder to get than it is now.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Aneca wrote: »

A good PVPer will earn AP at a higher rate than a PVE tourist in Cyrodiil. Everyone gets the same amount of points for completing a dungeon.

And a good PVEr will level undaunted faster since they will be able to complete the dungeons faster then a tourist PVPr.

Aneca · August 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Aneca wrote: »

A good PVPer will earn AP at a higher rate than a PVE tourist in Cyrodiil. Everyone gets the same amount of points for completing a dungeon.

And a good PVEr will level undaunted faster since they will be able to complete the dungeons faster then a tourist PVPr.

Good or bad, PVE or PVP, you earn the same amount of points for completing a dungeon. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that a good PVPer will earn more for solo killing an opponent than my PVE tourist will as being a part of a zerg.

ArchMikem · August 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

Wollust wrote: »

You sound so much like a carebear, I highly doubt vMSA is the right place for you. With or without vigor.

I'm gonna have to disagree with people like you, not to mention I don't care much for your guy's passive aggressive attitudes. Call me a casual carebear all you want, but I, just like many others, am not a hardcore Multiplayer gamer. For me at least I managed to get my character to Assault 4 before actually noticing and deciding to grind out the last rank to get Vigor. And no, it did not take me an hour, or even two hours as you people claim it can be done. Took me three nights. Go ahead, tell me I did it wrong. Whatever. My point is not everyone can know exactly what to do and how to do it.

But really I don't even care about Vigor. What I care about is how people like you guys were so quick to go into snobby elitist mode over this. You're a perfect example of how divides are created. This isn't your community. This is a game. We're supposed to enjoy our time here.

Hadan_of_Rift · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

ROFLMAO

Sheezabeast · August 2016

I just want to say that calling the grind for Vigor time wasted is just plain wrong, no matter how bad of cannon fodder you are. Do you realize that you get a skill point for every alliance rank you gain? In 2 days of pvp you can go from beginner to Veteran pretty quickly, even quicker if you utilize the alliance point buff you get from killing a dungeon boss in Cyrodiill...You get Rewards for the Worthy...I bet you own at least a few pieces of PVP gear that someone else earned and you bought from a guild trader. PVP and PVE need each other. Just work for it or don't complain about something you don't have because you don't want to learn how to kill a human player rather than an NPC.

clayandaudrey_ESO · August 2016

Aneca wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Aneca wrote: »

A good PVPer will earn AP at a higher rate than a PVE tourist in Cyrodiil. Everyone gets the same amount of points for completing a dungeon.

And a good PVEr will level undaunted faster since they will be able to complete the dungeons faster then a tourist PVPr.

Good or bad, PVE or PVP, you earn the same amount of points for completing a dungeon. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that a good PVPer will earn more for solo killing an opponent than my PVE tourist will as being a part of a zerg.

Just like a good pve'er will get more undaunted with speed runs and such?

Kelces · August 2016

What about this: Spend your time standing in a keep of your choice, instead of wasting it here in the forums?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Aneca wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Aneca wrote: »

A good PVPer will earn AP at a higher rate than a PVE tourist in Cyrodiil. Everyone gets the same amount of points for completing a dungeon.

And a good PVEr will level undaunted faster since they will be able to complete the dungeons faster then a tourist PVPr.

Good or bad, PVE or PVP, you earn the same amount of points for completing a dungeon. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that a good PVPer will earn more for solo killing an opponent than my PVE tourist will as being a part of a zerg.

The calculations for ap gain are the same for everyone.

Ch4mpTW · August 2016

Alright, alright, guys. Enough. Stop slamming dude and giving broski a hard time. True indeed skills like: Caltrops, Magicka Detonation, and Vigor were much more challenging to get in the past — but we aren't in the past anymore. Are we? Also, while I agree that there are things we should have to work today (both gear and skills alike)...? There is absolutely no excuse not reason to go and attempt to chump somebody for their opinion(s). We may not agree with her/his opinion(s), but we gotta at least let them have it. And not clown them for it. Don't worry, OP. Champ understands.

TL;DR Version - Let people feel how they want to feel, and if you agree with it? Cool. If you don't agree with it? Cool. Simply disagree with it, and be done. Don't call them names, and try and chump them.

Aneca · August 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

The calculations for ap gain are the same for everyone.

A person in a 24-man group gets the same amount of AP for killing an opponent as the solo player does? Now that doesn't seem fair.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Aneca wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

The calculations for ap gain are the same for everyone.

A person in a 24-man group gets the same amount of AP for killing an opponent as the solo player does? Now that doesn't seem fair.

I dont know. it doesnt seem fair i get the same points if I solo a dungeon or if i use a full group.

Trublz · August 2016

I suck at pvp. And I don't just mean I'm not as good as most. I will almost always die if I don't have someone else backing me up. It's not my favorite part of the game either.
But obtaining vigor and caltrops are right where they need to be. I lvled from assault 5 to assault 6 in 2 hours in a group. It's really very easy, even as a horrible pvper