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Update 11 missing hairstyles (More in PTS)

  • Abeille
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    Lysette wrote: »
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    I thought wow 92 hairstyles for 1k crowns, then I read the 'STANDARD' and had a think. Standard means already existing, so I passed. Pays to read carefully as companies usually put in vague text to 'trick' customers, whether intentional or not, it happens.

    To me that hairpack is not bad, I like the opportunity to be able to change my hairstyle to one of those I really like from the standard set (male, female and especially beast race options). So to me these are not wasted 1000 crowns, I appreciate that we got this standard set as a collection. I was especially not happy with the choice I made for my Argonian and now I can change it to whatever of the standard styles I like for him - this makes a quite happy Argonian now and I can use as well those costumes on him, which I avoided, because they had no hood or helmet and the original hairstyle choice would be visible.

    I just wish we would get as well such a standard option pack at the same price for adornments and body markings - please ZOS make it happen - @ZOS_GinaBruno - maybe you guys had this planned already, at least I hope so.

    Edit: Ah, and I forgot head markings - so this would be another 3000 crowns for you for these 3 standard packs from me, ZOS. And while you are at it, consider a hair color set as well - this would be awesome, I would happily pay 1000 for that pack as well, if I can change hair color from collections anytime I wish with no extra costs other than that hair color pack. So we are at 4000 crowns in total now. And to make @Abeille happy, give all colors to everyone, she wants so badly a black hair color for her Altmer character. I would like to see her happy.

    Awn thanks! Much love for you @Lysette <3

    Great idea with the color pack too. Like how we can wear any human/elf hair of the hair pack with any human or elf, even if it wasn't originally available for that race in particular in the character creator.

    I would certainly buy all of these packs you suggested too. If they make separated categories and therefore packs for paintings and scars so that we can wear both at the same time, I would buy both too.

    Speaking of categories, I hope that they fix the eyelash bug and make it so that that I can put them on my characters and still wear other accessories. Right now on PTS, I must choose between wearing antlers or eyelashes on my Bosmer, which is kinda awful.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Lysette
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    Abeille wrote: »
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    malchior wrote: »
    I thought wow 92 hairstyles for 1k crowns, then I read the 'STANDARD' and had a think. Standard means already existing, so I passed. Pays to read carefully as companies usually put in vague text to 'trick' customers, whether intentional or not, it happens.

    To me that hairpack is not bad, I like the opportunity to be able to change my hairstyle to one of those I really like from the standard set (male, female and especially beast race options). So to me these are not wasted 1000 crowns, I appreciate that we got this standard set as a collection. I was especially not happy with the choice I made for my Argonian and now I can change it to whatever of the standard styles I like for him - this makes a quite happy Argonian now and I can use as well those costumes on him, which I avoided, because they had no hood or helmet and the original hairstyle choice would be visible.

    I just wish we would get as well such a standard option pack at the same price for adornments and body markings - please ZOS make it happen - @ZOS_GinaBruno - maybe you guys had this planned already, at least I hope so.

    Edit: Ah, and I forgot head markings - so this would be another 3000 crowns for you for these 3 standard packs from me, ZOS. And while you are at it, consider a hair color set as well - this would be awesome, I would happily pay 1000 for that pack as well, if I can change hair color from collections anytime I wish with no extra costs other than that hair color pack. So we are at 4000 crowns in total now. And to make @Abeille happy, give all colors to everyone, she wants so badly a black hair color for her Altmer character. I would like to see her happy.

    Awn thanks! Much love for you @Lysette <3

    Great idea with the color pack too. Like how we can wear any human/elf hair of the hair pack with any human or elf, even if it wasn't originally available for that race in particular in the character creator.

    I would certainly buy all of these packs you suggested too. If they make separated categories and therefore packs for paintings and scars so that we can wear both at the same time, I would buy both too.

    Speaking of categories, I hope that they fix the eyelash bug and make it so that that I can put them on my characters and still wear other accessories. Right now on PTS, I must choose between wearing antlers or eyelashes on my Bosmer, which is kinda awful.

    The color pack came to mind, when I was changing hair on a dark-red colored hair of a character. This color looks with some hairstyles more violet than dark red and on others it looks lighter than I want it to be - so the option to change color when I change hair would have to be as flexible as the hairstyles from collection - so basically a color collection set as well, to be practical. I cannot imagine to use tokens for that, this would just not be reasonable, as often as I want to change hairstyles.

    Tokens would not do the job anyway - I would just see it in the lighting of the character change environment, which is different from the lighting in the game in sun light - I have to see if the color will be washed out in midday and maybe too dark in the evening - I have to be able to flexibly test this and change it over and over again until I will finally be satisfied - and if I am not, I will not play that character very often, I am quite sensitive to the looks.
    Edited by Lysette on August 2, 2016 2:50PM
  • SniperDaria
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    I do like the hair pack. I like being able to change hair whenever I want, but this is still a little shady I think. People were led to believe the new styles would be released this patch and the item in the store does not allow you to preview the styles you will be getting. I think the description in the Crown store should be changed to state that the pack includes only the standard hair styles.
  • Lysette
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    I do like the hair pack. I like being able to change hair whenever I want, but this is still a little shady I think. People were led to believe the new styles would be released this patch and the item in the store does not allow you to preview the styles you will be getting. I think the description in the Crown store should be changed to state that the pack includes only the standard hair styles.

    Hm, it could be more clear, that is true - "existing" is such a thing - the new hairstyles do actually not exist on the live server yet, but they exist on the PTS. And this can be misleading for those, who have tried them on the PTS.
  • Abeille
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    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • MornaBaine
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    Abeille wrote: »

    Um I get a "We're sorry, the page you're looking for can not be found." message. :(
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  • Abeille
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »

    Um I get a "We're sorry, the page you're looking for can not be found." message. :(

    That's weird, you are right. The link seems to not be working anymore. Maybe they forgot something.

    Anyways, what was there was the Masked Bear mount, that Shaman outfit that was on PTS, that spiky turtle pet and the style parlor stuff and service tokens that were already added yesterday.

    They are removing the Ashlander costumes, the Ordinator costumes, the Dragon Priest and Dragon Warrior costumes and the Woodland Scouts costumes, plus the Fennec Fox pet and another pet that I don't remember right now. Sorry, I just read through the page once before closing and it wasn't there anymore when I tried to go back to it, so this is all that I remember right now.
    Edited by Abeille on August 2, 2016 4:39PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • MornaBaine
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    Abeille wrote: »
    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »

    Um I get a "We're sorry, the page you're looking for can not be found." message. :(

    That's weird, you are right. The link seems to not be working anymore. Maybe they forgot something.

    Anyways, what was there was the Masked Bear mount, that Shaman outfit that was on PTS, that spiky turtle pet and the style parlor stuff and service tokens that were already added yesterday.

    They are removing the Ashlander costumes, the Ordinator costumes, the Dragon Priest and Dragon Warrior costumes and the Woodland Scouts costumes, plus the Fennec Fox pet and another pet that I don't remember right now. Sorry, I just read through the page once before closing and it wasn't there anymore when I tried to go back to it, so this is all that I remember right now.

    Well thank you for sharing what you were able to read. Hopefully they pulled it to add the new hairstyles and some of the costumes they've been sitting on!
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  • Abeille
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »

    Um I get a "We're sorry, the page you're looking for can not be found." message. :(

    That's weird, you are right. The link seems to not be working anymore. Maybe they forgot something.

    Anyways, what was there was the Masked Bear mount, that Shaman outfit that was on PTS, that spiky turtle pet and the style parlor stuff and service tokens that were already added yesterday.

    They are removing the Ashlander costumes, the Ordinator costumes, the Dragon Priest and Dragon Warrior costumes and the Woodland Scouts costumes, plus the Fennec Fox pet and another pet that I don't remember right now. Sorry, I just read through the page once before closing and it wasn't there anymore when I tried to go back to it, so this is all that I remember right now.

    Well thank you for sharing what you were able to read. Hopefully they pulled it to add the new hairstyles and some of the costumes they've been sitting on!

    I might or might not have been refreshing the news page for the last few hours :P

    I really want the Tousled Bard hair style. It is the one the merchant assistant have. And the subtle dark eyelashes, too <3
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Throren
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    still surprised they haven't commented further on this. I suppose they'll just ignore it and our pleas will fall on deaf ears
  • kimaeril
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    maboleth wrote: »
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    I'm really disappointed too. The hairstyle I wanted isn't listed either. I hope these are added in the near future.

    They will be added. Trouble is, they will probably cost the same - 1000k. So, the real problem is, whoever spent 1k on the regular and expected to see new content, will have to spend additional 1k. Am I right @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

    Or will you be good enough to add this free of charge (at least to those who bought this on the 1st day of release)? :)

    That's what I was thinking about them charging again.
    And I agree they should be free and just include them in a future patch.
  • negbert
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    When have we ever had all the crown store items from a PTS release go out with the patch? These and further items will come out over time. I certainly couldn't afford the crowns to get everything that was there.
  • Iove
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    So disappointed as I had been looking forward to the 1st of Aug for the eyelashes and the tousled bard hairstyle. Now I feel too down to log in. Tyvm
  • Abeille
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    There we go: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/02/crown-store-showcase-august-2nd-2016

    Only change from the first time it went up is the Hist Guar. Still no new hair styles.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Iove
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    Abeille wrote: »
    There we go: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/02/crown-store-showcase-august-2nd-2016

    Only change from the first time it went up is the Hist Guar. Still no new hair styles.

    Ok still no point logging in then. Something that is meant to provide entertainment that ends up testing my patience is just the absolute worst feeling for a customer. I may return to WoW since you can pay the sub with ingame gold and change your hair whenever, and as an added bonus you don't have to spend 3 years without eyelashes.
  • Throren
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    well that really disappointing :/ so at the least we'll have to wait another month and then hope then the maybe the ones we want from PTS are the lucky 2 or 3 that get picked for that month. At that rate we'll have people who'll be waiting probably into next year for the hair styles they wanr
  • SantieClaws
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    Ach no drunk personality :(

    All Khajiit ever wanted ...

    Yours with far too sober paws
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  • Lysette
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    And there are no new hats as well - this is very disappointing. Haj Mota hatchling, the adult version of this has kicked my a$$ a few days ago and nearly killed me, until another player came along and helped me out - the hatchling is a bit expensive for a pet though, 1000 crowns.
  • leothedino
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    Throren wrote: »
    still surprised they haven't commented further on this. I suppose they'll just ignore it and our pleas will fall on deaf ears

    They will comment... in a future patch.
    Edited by leothedino on August 2, 2016 6:04PM
  • Lysette
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    Ach no drunk personality :(

    All Khajiit ever wanted ...

    Yours with far too sober paws
    Santie Claws

    Yeah that is very disappointing, especially because Elloa made such a good presentation of that personality and the beards as well - which are as well not available.

    Will you do another of your awesome videos, when the drunken personality will be out?- and if, do not forget to post it here.
    Edited by Lysette on August 2, 2016 6:08PM
  • leothedino
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    They had over 24 hours to hear our thoughts, see this thread and they have the audacity to post this: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/02/crown-store-showcase-august-2nd-2016

    It's almost like they are laughing themselves off their chairs and enjoying our disappointment.

    "Yo, Jessica... you hear? They want the stuff we promised" the whole office laughs "just give them a sparkling guar instead LOL!"

    Well... screw that, I just had a pepsi and a cake. I am winning o:)
    Edited by leothedino on August 2, 2016 6:14PM
  • Lysette
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    The Bal Foyen Nixhound will be removed - that is one of my favorite critters - I like having it around.

    Btw that Guar has glowing amber (looks more like yellow though) hist on it - it looks quite cool when you use in the lava and volcanic areas of the game.
    Edited by Lysette on August 2, 2016 6:23PM
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    ZOS' Advertisement: "If you're looking for a little something special for your favorite characters, navigate to the “Style Parlor" category within the Crown Store and peruse the new offerings in the Adornments, Hair Styles, "

    new offerings ... Hair Styles ...

    new ....... Hair Styles ...

    This is why I thought there would be new hairstyles with this patch. Not just the same ones we had for the past two years.
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  • Malkavianqueen
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    Honestly I was really disappointed by this. :/ I was looking forward to the new hairstyles for weeks (especially for my poor Khajiit, since they have such limited hairstyles) only to be stuck with the same vanilla hairstyles for another month. Bleeh. I really hope they reconsider and put some new ones out within the next few weeks.
  • MornaBaine
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    Abeille wrote: »
    There we go: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/02/crown-store-showcase-august-2nd-2016

    Only change from the first time it went up is the Hist Guar. Still no new hair styles.

    Wow that was every bit as disappointing as I feared it would be. And none of the Imperial style costumes we were hoping for either. SIGH. :neutral: And did any player ever ask for that weird looking turtle pet???
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  • Lysette
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    There we go: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/02/crown-store-showcase-august-2nd-2016

    Only change from the first time it went up is the Hist Guar. Still no new hair styles.

    Wow that was every bit as disappointing as I feared it would be. And none of the Imperial style costumes we were hoping for either. SIGH. :neutral: And did any player ever ask for that weird looking turtle pet???

    The adult versions of that one are roaming in the southern parts of Hew's Bane - can be tough at least for my low level guys.
  • Anysra
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    Zenimax please patch it... I've been waiting for weeks for the hairstyles.
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    There we go: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/02/crown-store-showcase-august-2nd-2016

    Only change from the first time it went up is the Hist Guar. Still no new hair styles.

    Wow that was every bit as disappointing as I feared it would be. And none of the Imperial style costumes we were hoping for either. SIGH. :neutral:And did any player ever ask for that weird looking turtle pet???

    NO... but we've been asking for the extremely COOL and unique Sep Adder snake pet that was on PTS MONTHS AGO, but we still haven't seen it... but hey, want a re-color of an existing pet, those apparently take priority.
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  • Abeille
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    There we go: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/02/crown-store-showcase-august-2nd-2016

    Only change from the first time it went up is the Hist Guar. Still no new hair styles.

    Wow that was every bit as disappointing as I feared it would be. And none of the Imperial style costumes we were hoping for either. SIGH. :neutral: And did any player ever ask for that weird looking turtle pet???

    I feel like they are adding so little lately. I haven't been keeping track of the numbers, to be honest, but I feel that on the last few months more stuff was removed from the Crown Store than added.

    And we know there is a bunch of stuff ready for release (so much that is in the PTS for a while now) but for some reason didn't show up in the store yet.
    Edited by Abeille on August 2, 2016 8:31PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • UncannyLinderman
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    ADarklore wrote: »
    malchior wrote: »
    I thought wow 92 hairstyles for 1k crowns, then I read the 'STANDARD' and had a think. Standard means already existing, so I passed. Pays to read carefully as companies usually put in vague text to 'trick' customers, whether intentional or not, it happens.

    ^This one gets it!! ;) It pays to READ and it also pays to put a little 'logical thinking' into that reading as well. Or, if you don't want to read ZOS' descriptions, then wait for the forum posts that come out after an update to read what other people are experiencing. This happened with the 'assistants' and is now happening with 'hairstyles'. But really people, the new hair styles were completely separate from the pack on PTS, what went through your mind to think they would be included with the 'pack' on Live?!?

    People don't think, that's the problem. And today's world is full of this insane feeling of entitlement, so the second THEY misread or make a mistake, they look for anything possible (poor wording, intentional or not, for example) and demand compensation for their own impulsive nature because they feel something is owed to them. In reality, nothings owed to them.

    Now, if they DO promise something and don't deliver AS WORDED - no matter how tricky the wording is - then sure, compensation would be expected. And, they've proven they can do that when there was a glitch on the experience cakes where it didn't stack with other exp boosts. They fixed it and extended the cake exp boost by two days to compensate for the mistake. This, however, is no mistake on their part, but on the consumers, and all of the whining is unwarranted.
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