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Cradle of Shadows
hedna123b14_ESO
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So am I missing something??? The only way we were able to kill it is just by burning her...is there something on the ground that we can do to avoid the one shot? The delay between the red aoe and the crystal is too fast to sprint out of and its easy to miss the dodge roll.
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Minute_Waltz✭✭✭I believe if you pick the 2 torches from atro you shouldnt get the dark room one shot0 -
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✭Minute_Waltz wrote: »I believe if you pick the 2 torches from atro you shouldnt get the dark room one shot
No no...the torches are fine...its the mechanic when she climbs up, while the room darkens and spawns crystals which bring your health low first. then the room becomes normal color and the second set hits you...that one usually kills you..0 -
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✭I do two subsequent dodge rolls after the room turns normal colourReference for any calculation I make Introduction to PvE Damage Calculation1 -
KimoBitz✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »So am I missing something??? The only way we were able to kill it is just by burning her...is there something on the ground that we can do to avoid the one shot? The delay between the red aoe and the crystal is too fast to sprint out of and its easy to miss the dodge roll.
Makes me jealous to see y'all pc players playing the damn dlc and Im the console peasent still waiting till august 16th0 -
Praetorrus✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Minute_Waltz wrote: »I believe if you pick the 2 torches from atro you shouldnt get the dark room one shot
No no...the torches are fine...its the mechanic when she climbs up, while the room darkens and spawns crystals which bring your health low first. then the room becomes normal color and the second set hits you...that one usually kills you..
You have to stand still when she starts climbing up, then small circles appear under your feet. Stay still in circles or be instakilled, when circles disappear do two roll dodges and you will survive it.0 -
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✭Praetorrus wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Minute_Waltz wrote: »I believe if you pick the 2 torches from atro you shouldnt get the dark room one shot
No no...the torches are fine...its the mechanic when she climbs up, while the room darkens and spawns crystals which bring your health low first. then the room becomes normal color and the second set hits you...that one usually kills you..
You have to stand still when she starts climbing up, then small circles appear under your feet. Stay still in circles or be instakilled, when circles disappear do two roll dodges and you will survive it.
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d8rmir✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Minute_Waltz wrote: »I believe if you pick the 2 torches from atro you shouldnt get the dark room one shot
No no...the torches are fine...its the mechanic when she climbs up, while the room darkens and spawns crystals which bring your health low first. then the room becomes normal color and the second set hits you...that one usually kills you..
They shouldn't bring your health low...that was 1-shot kill on PTS and I think it is still 1-shot kill in hardmode.
Mechanics works like this:When you see written "the Lady is hunting with shadow sense" or something similar you have to just stand still, so you completely avoid the first crystal.
Then you look up and you see the Lady hanging from the ceiling. When you see her moving again and jumping back down you only need to dodgeroll to avoid the second one.Edited by d8rmir on August 2, 2016 9:55AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This is an awesome thread
People are a actually putting in effort to figure stuff out!
Can't believe how many people just ask for these dungeons both to get significantly nerfed already because they are harder than other dungeons like Vet Elden Hollow.Edited by Vaoh on August 2, 2016 2:02PM0 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Minute_Waltz wrote: »I believe if you pick the 2 torches from atro you shouldnt get the dark room one shot
No no...the torches are fine...its the mechanic when she climbs up, while the room darkens and spawns crystals which bring your health low first. then the room becomes normal color and the second set hits you...that one usually kills you..
They shouldn't bring your health low...that was 1-shot kill on PTS and I think it is still 1-shot kill in hardmode.
Mechanics works like this:When you see written "the Lady is hunting with shadow sense" or something similar you have to just stand still, so you completely avoid the first crystal.
Then you look up and you see the Lady hanging from the ceiling. When you see her moving again and jumping back down you only need to dodgeroll to avoid the second one.
That makes sense....we will do that next time. We ended up just saying screw it and burned her so fast she skipped that phase, however I would have liked to go through the actual mechanics.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Don't save ultimates on that fight--use them as you get them. She will drain your ultimate, and according to comments from ZOS's dungeon lead, her Shadow Sense (er, spines from the ground) ability is her ultimate that she casts (so presumably there is a correlation between frequency of this and the amount of ultimate drained, but I have not tested this to confirm).
When she climbs up, stay perfectly still. Do not move.
Pay very close attention to your feet after she has climbed up. There is a very subtle (far too subtle) puff of dust that will appear at your feet. That is your cue to dodge roll.
You will be one-shot if you fail to remain still during that initial phase or if you fail to dodge roll at the right time (not too early, not too late).
Personally, I think the dodge roll part of this mechanic is far too sensitive. The telegraph is way too subtle, and the timing window is way too narrow.Edited by code65536 on August 2, 2016 2:52PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
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- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't save ultimates on that fight--use them as you get them. She will drain your ultimate, and according to comments from ZOS's dungeon lead, her Shadow Sense (er, spines from the ground) ability is her ultimate that she casts (so presumably there is a correlation between frequency of this and the amount of ultimate drained, but I have not tested this to confirm).
When she climbs up, stay perfectly still. Do not move.
Pay very close attention to your feet after she has climbed up. There is a very subtle (far too subtle) puff of dust that will appear at your feet. That is your cue to dodge roll.
You will be one-shot if you fail to remain still during that initial phase, and if you fail to dodge roll at the right time (not too early, not too late).
Personally, I think the dodge roll part of this mechanic is far too sensitive. The telegraph is way too subtle, and the timing window is way too narrow.
Code let's do the pledge....my body is ready0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Don't save ultimates on that fight--use them as you get them. She will drain your ultimate, and according to comments from ZOS's dungeon lead, her Shadow Sense (er, spines from the ground) ability is her ultimate that she casts (so presumably there is a correlation between frequency of this and the amount of ultimate drained, but I have not tested this to confirm).
When she climbs up, stay perfectly still. Do not move.
Pay very close attention to your feet after she has climbed up. There is a very subtle (far too subtle) puff of dust that will appear at your feet. That is your cue to dodge roll.
You will be one-shot if you fail to remain still during that initial phase, and if you fail to dodge roll at the right time (not too early, not too late).
Personally, I think the dodge roll part of this mechanic is far too sensitive. The telegraph is way too subtle, and the timing window is way too narrow.
Code let's do the pledge....my body is ready
LOL, I'll log on in a few minutes. Just woke up.
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Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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✭Oh my God...now that I see that dust flicker or whatever it is, that fight is just ridiculously easy....0 -
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✭learn the mechanic and you will know how to avoid death.
Like I said we didn't understand the mechanic so we just skipped it by out-dpsing it...if you look at the few comments above yours, the mechanic was explained and now that I understand it i can run pugs through this dungeon...I'm not sure what the point is of making a comment on a thread when you contribute absolutely zero input to the discussion
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IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oh my God...now that I see that dust flicker or whatever it is, that fight is just ridiculously easy....
Oh great, another dodge roll mechanic, this does not bode well for us Console users ... How much time do you have from the telegraph to the dodge roll ?
I'm asking because for us dodge roll is bound to block+action, which can be problematic if you miss the timing (your char just jumps instead of rolling).
But seeing that most telegraphs in this game are ridiculously short timed this might be bad ...
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✭✭✭✭✭IwakuraLain42 wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oh my God...now that I see that dust flicker or whatever it is, that fight is just ridiculously easy....
Oh great, another dodge roll mechanic, this does not bode well for us Console users ... How much time do you have from the telegraph to the dodge roll ?
I'm asking because for us dodge roll is bound to block+action, which can be problematic if you miss the timing (your char just jumps instead of rolling).
But seeing that most telegraphs in this game are ridiculously short timed this might be bad ...
Can you change the binding to something else? There are a number of default bindings that don't make a lot of sense on PC that I had to change...
Oh, and you don't have much time at all--you must execute that roll within a second of seeing that visual tell.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭Nope, you only have a few templates on Console, but none changes the dodge roll. One of the most often requested (and ignored) feature requests for the Console UI.
If this is only a second I can see a bunch of complaints coming in in 2 weeks time. One would have hoped that ZOS would have learned from the problems with the ICP ... doesn't look that way :-(0