khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Honestly, the fact that when mods lock other threads regarding this that they link those threads to this one is acknowledgement in my book.

No its not. Its damage control. You herd all complainers into one thread and its just a thread instead of a massive oucry overwhelming the forums. Then it eventually dies down and falls off the front page and the issue is gone.

And how would they know to herd them if they did not have a thread they know about to herd them into? Trust me, it's acknowledged.

Moderators arent devs. Mods saw the issue and contained it to be, most likely, ignored by the devs. Yeah, sure, maybe if barely anyone bought the costume theyll do something about the next ones that get made. That does not mean higher quality tho - most likely theyll just avoid the coat/cloak style in the future altogether.

They do work for the devs though, which means they are able to contact them. Also mods may very well report their actions to their "higher ups". Besides, this thread is 12 pages long and growing, how could the lurking devs NOT notice and acknowledge it lol

I have a feeling youre now arguing over the semantics of the word. What does 'acknowledgement' do for us here? Not much really. Even if a community manager posted a message saying: we're working on it, it still would mean very little as far as actually getting things fixed. Good examples of this being: bloated motifs, broken light attack weaving, misshapen female armor meshes.

Don't. buy. it.

Only that solves the problem.

This thread keeps getting pushed back. I am noticing random forum users posting on threads that aren't even popular to push this back.

Conquistador wrote: »

This thread keeps getting pushed back. I am noticing random forum users posting on threads that aren't even popular to push this back.

That's what happens during maintenance downtime

Conquistador wrote: »

That Breton Hero Costume looks like it was made in BETA. Absolutely disgusting that Zenimax took crowns from the.... "people" that bought it.

According to previous posts, it might as well have been. People are saying it has a very early item id.

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

I see our community reps from ZOS can post memes on the natch potes thread easily, but can't be bothered to answer this one! Don't let this thread get buried folks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What do you WANT them to say though? Sure they could come in here and say "we came, we saw, and we acknowledge" but that would just be stating the obvious lol

Mashille wrote: »

OK, so first up is the just plain Awful Texture Quality.

I fully support this post. I was gutted at the poor quality of this item, but actually went ahead and bought it in the belief that ZOS will improve it. I'm still hopeful that they will revisit this item and do right by us - it was a big let down.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

I see our community reps from ZOS can post memes on the natch potes thread easily, but can't be bothered to answer this one! Don't let this thread get buried folks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What do you WANT them to say though? Sure they could come in here and say "we came, we saw, and we acknowledge" but that would just be stating the obvious lol

That would be a good first step! I've seen no OFFICIAL response, so it is not obvious that they've publicly acknowledged this issue, especially since they haven't! (And no, mods closing all other threads is not an acknowledgement from ZOS).

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

I see our community reps from ZOS can post memes on the natch potes thread easily, but can't be bothered to answer this one! Don't let this thread get buried folks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What do you WANT them to say though? Sure they could come in here and say "we came, we saw, and we acknowledge" but that would just be stating the obvious lol

That would be a good first step! I've seen no OFFICIAL response, so it is not obvious that they've publicly acknowledged this issue, especially since they haven't! (And no, mods closing all other threads is not an acknowledgement from ZOS).

Your definition of acknowledgement is flawed though because it means Zenimax would have to post in each and every thread to acknowledge it, yet they have made changes to the game based on threads they read but did not post in. Zenimax lurks all the time, so they are without a doubt aware of this thread, especially since it has so many posts. Due to this awareness they lock other threads of the same topic, even if just mods do it, thus giving acknowledgement. After all you think they don't monitor moderation? Of course they do!

The difference in this case though is that failing to publicly acknowledge the issue has negatively impacted ZOS directly. I'm sure that if (while the costume was still available), a ZOS representative had come here or made an official statement elsewhere to the effect of "yes, we know the costume is terrible, and we will be working to fix it," there would be a number of additional sales to people who would have bought the costume based on that hope. In theory, at least some of these individuals would have needed to purchase crowns in order to acquire the costume, so basically ZOS failing to acknowledge this issue publicly has cost them potential crown sales.

But yes, as I stated before, there is a difference between awareness and acknowledgement. You keep trying to claim that it is possible for ZOS to acknowledge something while remaining silent on the matter without ever saying anything about it. Frankly, I think it is your definition of acknowledgement that is flawed.

Acknowledge

verb (used with object), acknowledged, acknowledging.

1. to admit to be real or true; recognize the existence, truth, or fact of:
to acknowledge one's mistakes.

2. to show or express recognition or realization of:
to acknowledge an acquaintance by nodding.

3. to recognize the authority, validity, or claims of:
The students acknowledged the authority of the student council.

4. to show or express appreciation or gratitude for:
to acknowledge a favor.

5. to indicate or make known the receipt of:
to acknowledge a letter.

6. to take notice of or reply to:
to acknowledge a greeting.

7. Law. to confirm as binding or of legal force:
to acknowledge a deed.

That seems pretty clear to me; every definition of acknowledge seems to involve or require some level of feedback or expression. Without some statement or response, it is not acknowledgement, it is merely awareness.

BFT88 wrote: »

How is this thread still open?

ZOS likes to have one place to dump all of the malcontents.

Blackbird71 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

I see our community reps from ZOS can post memes on the natch potes thread easily, but can't be bothered to answer this one! Don't let this thread get buried folks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What do you WANT them to say though? Sure they could come in here and say "we came, we saw, and we acknowledge" but that would just be stating the obvious lol

That would be a good first step! I've seen no OFFICIAL response, so it is not obvious that they've publicly acknowledged this issue, especially since they haven't! (And no, mods closing all other threads is not an acknowledgement from ZOS).

Your definition of acknowledgement is flawed though because it means Zenimax would have to post in each and every thread to acknowledge it, yet they have made changes to the game based on threads they read but did not post in. Zenimax lurks all the time, so they are without a doubt aware of this thread, especially since it has so many posts. Due to this awareness they lock other threads of the same topic, even if just mods do it, thus giving acknowledgement. After all you think they don't monitor moderation? Of course they do!

The difference in this case though is that failing to publicly acknowledge the issue has negatively impacted ZOS directly. I'm sure that if (while the costume was still available), a ZOS representative had come here or made an official statement elsewhere to the effect of "yes, we know the costume is terrible, and we will be working to fix it," there would be a number of additional sales to people who would have bought the costume based on that hope. In theory, at least some of these individuals would have needed to purchase crowns in order to acquire the costume, so basically ZOS failing to acknowledge this issue publicly has cost them potential crown sales.

But yes, as I stated before, there is a difference between awareness and acknowledgement. You keep trying to claim that it is possible for ZOS to acknowledge something while remaining silent on the matter without ever saying anything about it. Frankly, I think it is your definition of acknowledgement that is flawed.

Acknowledge

verb (used with object), acknowledged, acknowledging.

1. to admit to be real or true; recognize the existence, truth, or fact of:
to acknowledge one's mistakes.

2. to show or express recognition or realization of:
to acknowledge an acquaintance by nodding.

3. to recognize the authority, validity, or claims of:
The students acknowledged the authority of the student council.

4. to show or express appreciation or gratitude for:
to acknowledge a favor.

5. to indicate or make known the receipt of:
to acknowledge a letter.

6. to take notice of or reply to:
to acknowledge a greeting.

7. Law. to confirm as binding or of legal force:
to acknowledge a deed.

That seems pretty clear to me; every definition of acknowledge seems to involve or require some level of feedback or expression. Without some statement or response, it is not acknowledgement, it is merely awareness.

Sorry but #6 is indicative of acknowledgement without saying anything. They could easily look at this thread and its replies and nod their head and think to themself "Well I better pass this on to our art team for improvements!".

I know you all want them to reply but at this point if they haven't they won't until they can tell everyone for certain a fix is on the way.

Maybe now that Update 11 is out and went smoothly we can have this discussion now?

Yeah....freedom of speech is practically dead nowadays and only getting "better" *sigh*...
Thank you for the info Morna!

Mashille wrote: »

Wait, who is telling people to lose their jobs?

If you read through all the comments you'll see that sentiment come up a few times. Just thought I'd give folksa heads up before they found themselves moderated.

@MornaBaine

Damn, that's not what I want. I do not want hostility or insults towards the devs, I just want something to change at ZOS to stop lazy releases like this.