Would you buy a new character at lv 50 for...........

thealteregozero · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

I'd rather be able to copy my main to another slot for respec

OR THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^

You just contradicted everything you've said so far. Copying your main would mean all the skill line levels, achievements, etc. associated with it. Might as well come out and admit you want everything handed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to work for anything.

I didn't contradict myself......it would STILL BE A CONVENIENCE. you are NOT changing class OR FACTION. You can just make different builds.....Thats not pay 2 win.

Be nice! @UltimaJoe777 -_-

TheUrbanWizard · July 2016

LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?

Lazy

thealteregozero · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Nah, I enjoy playing (levelling) my characters and developing them while levelling - it lets me get a feel of what feels right with each of them.

I would be paying not to play... does not make sense to me.

There are only 4 classes............you have 8 character slots.........the 5 character you should by this time pretty much know the ends and outs of this game. that 5th character would be a convenience. At this point not pay to win.

But what does someone 'win' by having it be instant, if they 'win' something what makes it different from xp buffs? They don't have a stronger character than anyone else on the same level. They don't have some free gear or rank or whatever that someone generally 'earns'. They're just level 50. A level that can be earned in less than a day's worth of hours without paying any money (no sub, no marriage, just psijic ambrosia)

I'll just leave this here...

For the record levels apply here too.

WHAT?!?!?! Are you kidding me? Again just like I can't be upset about you having the time to grind and go through the main story quest 7 times you can't possibly be upset at the people that have the funds to get a second character at 50....YOU DO know that this is a company right? That actually HAVE to pay their employees right? There is nothing unlocked if this was to happen. You would get a character at lv 50 with 50 skill points......HOWEVER YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO LEVEL UP SKILL AND CLASSES AND CRAFTING and PVP...........

THIS is not pay to win.....THIS IS CONVENIENCE.

I do respect your opinion but being upset cause most people don't have the time like you to grind 7 characters is not fair.

Just like I can make an argument and say that its NOT FAIR that you have more time than I have to grind 7 more characters.

Convenience equals time......not pay to win.

I have a TSA pre-check membership to get to my plane and through security quickly on time and you show up at the airport and have to WAIT in a long line to go through security and hopefully get to your plane on time would that be fair? Would you be upset with the person with pre-check? No that's crazy, cause its a convenience. A CONVENIENCE of TIME.

People that sub for this game are PAYING to win. We are ALL still playing this game knowing this. Also don't be upset with ZOS if they do implement this convenience because this is a COMPANY. I want new premium content and like most given the option of convenience we will take it.

You know you sure are bent on arguing P2W with convenience. Did it ever occur to you that said convenience IS why it's P2W? You get your conveniently maxed character, you win. It's that simple.

......its NOT maxed my friend......

There is nothing unlocked if this was to happen. You would get a character at lv 50 with 50 skill points......HOWEVER YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO LEVEL UP SKILL AND CLASSES AND CRAFTING and PVP and weapons...........

THIS is not pay to win.....THIS IS CONVENIENCE.

ONLY after you already have a lvl 50 character on your account.

at this point we are just going back and forth. I laid it out for you and its not P2W.

According to you you can only do this if you already have a Lv50. Well what if that first Lv50 happens to have 600 CPs? Well that automatically means every Lv50 you'd buy would ALSO have 600 CPs. In that case, they would indeed be truly maxed out.

You know why we are going back and forth? Because you cannot see how this would generate an unfair advantage to those that actually WORK for this stuff, regardless of how long it takes them. That, my friend, is why it is P2W. Convenience is an excuse.

Oh by the way it's 64 Skill Points at Lv50. Also it doesn't matter what does or doesn't unlock by doing this, fact of the matter is you immediately become able to equip endgame gear by buying this. P2W man.

Yep you put in the work the first time man. So being able to drop 5,000 crowns after the first character and if your character is sitting on 600 CP then ABSOLUTELY thats the rule IT is shared among all characters....

HOWEVERRRRRRRR.......

I was just saying if you lv a character at 50 and it is sitting on 600 CP then you would buy a character at lvl 50 with 64 skill points. You still have to grind ALL guilds, pvp, skill lines, weapons, crafting.....on THAT crown store bought character

its still convenience.

MuddledMuppet · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Nah, I enjoy playing (levelling) my characters and developing them while levelling - it lets me get a feel of what feels right with each of them.

I would be paying not to play... does not make sense to me.

There are only 4 classes............you have 8 character slots.........the 5 character you should by this time pretty much know the ends and outs of this game. that 5th character would be a convenience. At this point not pay to win.

But what does someone 'win' by having it be instant, if they 'win' something what makes it different from xp buffs? They don't have a stronger character than anyone else on the same level. They don't have some free gear or rank or whatever that someone generally 'earns'. They're just level 50. A level that can be earned in less than a day's worth of hours without paying any money (no sub, no marriage, just psijic ambrosia)

I'll just leave this here...

For the record levels apply here too.

For the record, quoting anything is pretty much meaningless without a source.

That aside, the grammatical error makes it look like it came from a poor source.

My question to everyone here is: What exactly do you define as 'win' in p2w?

Would somebody be able to instantly clear vmsa? Vdsa? Trials/vicp/vwgt with no passives in armour skills, mage/fighter guilds, weapon skills?

Would someone stroll into cyrodiil vet campaigns and be anything more than free ap?

For all those stating 'It's p2w pure and simple' etc the only plain and simple fact I see is that such a 'new born' 50 still has a ton more grind ahead. I lvl'd a new char last week to 50, still had to go get lore books, still had to gather sky shards, and even with training gear NONE of the skill lines needed are anywhere CLOSE to being maxed out.

Right now that char is my weakest by far and will remain so 'till I can be bothered to grind the skill lines.

P2W? Not even close.

What grammatical error? And the source is Urban Dictionary, leading source for all slang and internet terminology, including gaming terms.

'Then' instead of 'than' and poor sentence construction. I'm not a grammer *** by any means but it's usually an indicator of a lack of thought for a sourced quotation. I'm also of the opinion that it's meaningless to make up an addendum and imply it has the same veracity. (Which in this case is very little, UD is a nice diversion and a lot of fun but not something to be taken as serious source IMO)

I'm pretty sure we can between us define 'win' as I raised in my previous post.

To me a p2w game would go link this; Assuming you are more skilled than me (probably the case

) we meet on the field, however I have paid for an item/skill that you don't have access to and win because of this.

The ESO case here, is: my new lvl 50 sugar with barely any passives meets your fully fledged char on the field, one levelled up in the traditional way, (it would need to be a 50 too, we can't meet up in non-vet) would I have ANY advantage over you? Would I in fact be at a bigger disadvantage than if I had also levelled properly?

Please, demonstrate or define the 'win' here.

thealteregozero · July 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Ref wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Ref wrote: »

I despise selling EXP directly for money. Selling "EXP boost increase" for money (Like the one ESO Plus have) is OK. But directly selling the EXP for money is just no. This is why I hate WoW for selling character insta level up services. That's just *** up.

Are you okay with ZoS selling you:
+10 CP Level up for $19.99
+100 CP Level up for $99.99 (You save 50%!)

?

ugh thats NOT what it says in the OP or what I meant!!!!!!! It says buy with crowns a lvl 50 character after you have grinded one to lvl 50. you would get a lvl 50 character WITH 50 Skillpoints.....NOTHING unlocked......you will still grind SKILLS, GUILDS, PVP, CRAFTING.....THIS IS A FREAKEN CONVENIENCE not P2W. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

?

ofcourse NO ONE would be ok with people buying CP for crowns..........Are you ok?

So you OK buying EXP to level you up to 50.
And you are NOT OK buying EXP to level your CP Level up ?

Wtf

People BUY exp scrolls to get to end game faster. I am NOT TALKING ABOUT END GAME.......you know that. Stop giving me a hard time. I'm talking about convenience.

Pretty sure getting a lvl 50 character is end game.

Nope you have 600 CP THATS endgame man.

thealteregozero · July 2016

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?

Lazy

you are not by passing it. YOU MUST FIRST already have a character at 50 before you could buy this.....

I was just saying lvl 50 character with 64 skill points. You still have to grind ALL guilds, pvp, skill lines, weapons, crafting.....

Vaoh · July 2016

@thealteregozero

KochDerDamonen · July 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Nah, I enjoy playing (levelling) my characters and developing them while levelling - it lets me get a feel of what feels right with each of them.

I would be paying not to play... does not make sense to me.

There are only 4 classes............you have 8 character slots.........the 5 character you should by this time pretty much know the ends and outs of this game. that 5th character would be a convenience. At this point not pay to win.

But what does someone 'win' by having it be instant, if they 'win' something what makes it different from xp buffs? They don't have a stronger character than anyone else on the same level. They don't have some free gear or rank or whatever that someone generally 'earns'. They're just level 50. A level that can be earned in less than a day's worth of hours without paying any money (no sub, no marriage, just psijic ambrosia)

I'll just leave this here...

For the record levels apply here too.

For the record, quoting anything is pretty much meaningless without a source.

That aside, the grammatical error makes it look like it came from a poor source.

My question to everyone here is: What exactly do you define as 'win' in p2w?

Would somebody be able to instantly clear vmsa? Vdsa? Trials/vicp/vwgt with no passives in armour skills, mage/fighter guilds, weapon skills?

Would someone stroll into cyrodiil vet campaigns and be anything more than free ap?

For all those stating 'It's p2w pure and simple' etc the only plain and simple fact I see is that such a 'new born' 50 still has a ton more grind ahead. I lvl'd a new char last week to 50, still had to go get lore books, still had to gather sky shards, and even with training gear NONE of the skill lines needed are anywhere CLOSE to being maxed out.

Right now that char is my weakest by far and will remain so 'till I can be bothered to grind the skill lines.

P2W? Not even close.

What grammatical error? And the source is Urban Dictionary, leading source for all slang and internet terminology, including gaming terms.

'Then' instead of 'than' and poor sentence construction. I'm not a grammer *** by any means but it's usually an indicator of a lack of thought for a sourced quotation. I'm also of the opinion that it's meaningless to make up an addendum and imply it has the same veracity. (Which in this case is very little, UD is a nice diversion and a lot of fun but not something to be taken as serious source IMO)

I'm pretty sure we can between us define 'win' as I raised in my previous post.

To me a p2w game would go link this; Assuming you are more skilled than me (probably the case ) we meet on the field, however I have paid for an item/skill that you don't have access to and win because of this.

The ESO case here, is: my new lvl 50 sugar with barely any passives meets your fully fledged char on the field, one levelled up in the traditional way, (it would need to be a 50 too, we can't meet up in non-vet) would I have ANY advantage over you? Would I in fact be at a bigger disadvantage than if I had also levelled properly?

Please, demonstrate or define the 'win' here.

I've been asking that all thread, no answers. It's a buzzword! Things we don't want in the cash shop are P2W because P2W is bad! What's it mean? It's Pay to Win!

Doncellius wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

I dislike some things ZOS places in the Crown Store. However, they promised (and must) not become P2W.

This would be P2W.

I would permanently uninstall ESO. Finished. A valuable majority of the playerbase would follow suit.

ZOS may be foolish at times, but nowhere near dumb enough to make this mistake.

Everybody, literally everybody, who plays long enough gets to level 50. This, by definition, makes its not a pay to win feature. I'm still dead against it personally but people should learn to make reasonable arguments.

Yes. And Everybody, literally everybody, can get a Maelstrom weapon. Therefore selling them in the Crown Store is not P2W?

If you pay real money to bypass a major grind or obtain OP gear (skill lines, levels, skill points, dungeon loot, monster helms) then it is P2W. Buying a Lvl 50 character is not convenience or cosmetic.

You and I BOTH know they will never sell weapons or gear that will make your character have an advantage over the other. That arguement is void.

However you CANNOT be upset at the people that CAN afford this convenience. This is how it is. Just like I CANNOT be mad at your grind. I am a casual gamer, I still do believe in this game and this company and I feel like people here would bash this concept but then secretly turn around and buy a character for.......convenience. The casual gamer is already dropping the crowns......This is a reality. For us to enjoy this game it will have to explore many options you will not agree with.....

Buying a Lvl 50 character is P2W. Plain and simple.

That is why practically everyone (besides you and those few other like-minded inviduals) chose "No" for the poll.

I'm sorry if you cannot understand this. If I can buy a Lvl 50 character, I should also be able to buy 100 Dreugh Wax and Mages Guild 10 to avoid those grinds, correct? Smh

Actually I voted No. I just disagree with the idea that buying a lvl50 is P2W

That's cool. It's sort of arguable!

Glad to see you have common sense though and realize it'd be detrimental to ESO.

There isn't a game that I know about in which this feature is implemented and I think it's worked out okay for them. Obvious infamous example is WoW, I do not think this would be healthy for ESO but I do not think the reason is 'P2W' ^^

dem0n1k · July 2016

I level my characters in the Blackwater Blade campaign, so this would be a pointless bypass for me. I get the majority of my enjoyment from the game playing in BWB.

KronicDecay · July 2016

As a casual player who took his time to read every lorebook, every quest, and took his sweet time with ALL of my 50+ chars, I still say no. The day this happens my sub is gone and I free up 80GB on my HDD. Also I took about 1.5 years to max all my crafting skills. Are people going to ask for that now for crowns too? Also do you just love hearing yourself talk OP? You seem to be so intent on defending yourself when you asked for a poll. EXPECT DIFFERENT OPINIONS OTHER THAN YOURS. Instead of sitting here constantly trolling people who disagree with you here's an idea. It may make no sense to you but it works. Here it goes.... Get off the forums and LEVEL UP.

Skinzz · July 2016

Hey for convienence ill take a grand overlord title please cause well u know its for convenience

alexkdd99 · July 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

I dislike some things ZOS places in the Crown Store. However, they promised (and must) not become P2W.

This would be P2W.

I would permanently uninstall ESO. Finished. A valuable majority of the playerbase would follow suit.

ZOS may be foolish at times, but nowhere near dumb enough to make this mistake.

I doubt this. People say they will stop playing this game or that game all the time. Almost all are just threats, and would not quit. This is no more pay to win than exp scrolls. Just the phrase pay to win implies you could beat someone solely because you paid money. This would actually hurt you more than help as you would have no skyshards lore books or anything discovered. So pay to win? I think not, more like pay to lose. Ultimately you probably spend the same amount of time buying experience scrolls.

Elsonso · July 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

I dislike some things ZOS places in the Crown Store. However, they promised (and must) not become P2W.

This would be P2W.

I would permanently uninstall ESO. Finished. A valuable majority of the playerbase would follow suit.

ZOS may be foolish at times, but nowhere near dumb enough to make this mistake.

I doubt this. People say they will stop playing this game or that game all the time. Almost all are just threats, and would not quit. This is no more pay to win than exp scrolls. Just the phrase pay to win implies you could beat someone solely because you paid money. This would actually hurt you more than help as you would have no skyshards lore books or anything discovered. So pay to win? I think not, more like pay to lose. Ultimately you probably spend the same amount of time buying experience scrolls.

I did not like that Blizzard did this with World of Warcraft... twice! Look where I am today. Hint: Not playing World of Warcraft.

thealteregozero · July 2016

KronicDecay wrote: »

As a casual player who took his time to read every lorebook, every quest, and took his sweet time with ALL of my 50+ chars, I still say no. The day this happens my sub is gone and I free up 80GB on my HDD. Also I took about 1.5 years to max all my crafting skills. Are people going to ask for that now for crowns too? Also do you just love hearing yourself talk OP? You seem to be so intent on defending yourself when you asked for a poll. EXPECT DIFFERENT OPINIONS OTHER THAN YOURS. Instead of sitting here constantly trolling people who disagree with you here's an idea. It may make no sense to you but it works. Here it goes.... Get off the forums and LEVEL UP.

Can't play eso on my cell phone. I can however be on forums on my cell phone in an airport. Chill.

I am defending the concept of convenience vs P2W. I wanted to make a poll to view and to make sure what they say about the atmosphere and attitude of the majority of people on these forums are. I stated in black and white what I meant. None of what I stated shows this concept of being P2W, but that of mere convenience, especially when there are many items with in the crown store to support your claim and concept.

I made this poll and had 3 options.

The options were yes, no, depends.

You gave your opinion and I gave mine. This is not trolling but a difference of opinion.

You and I both know that we are not going anywhere if in fact this is implemented.

JUST like we didn't leave when you could buy skill lines.....

Just like when the exp scrolls were implemented.

Thank you for the discussion.

I'm over it.

SlayerSyrena · July 2016

No, and I hope it doesn't come to that.

me_ming · July 2016

thealteregozero wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Nah, I enjoy playing (levelling) my characters and developing them while levelling - it lets me get a feel of what feels right with each of them.

I would be paying not to play... does not make sense to me.

There are only 4 classes............you have 8 character slots.........the 5 character you should by this time pretty much know the ends and outs of this game. that 5th character would be a convenience. At this point not pay to win.

4 classes, but those classes can be stamina/magicka. I have all 8 character slots, 1 of each class and type. Magicka templar, is different from stamina templar. And the same is true with the other classes. Not to mention, you have 3 roles you can play in those classes.

ZoS will never do this, trust me. lol. Not even for convenience.

PS I would rather go through the agony of questing and doing Cadwell's silver and gold, than supporting this idea.

Waseem · July 2016

1)full purple set training level 10
2) friend
3) 10x ambrossia with provisioning passive
4) IC sewers ( you need the grind DLC)
5) profit

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

I dislike some things ZOS places in the Crown Store. However, they promised (and must) not become P2W.

This would be P2W.

I would permanently uninstall ESO. Finished. A valuable majority of the playerbase would follow suit.

ZOS may be foolish at times, but nowhere near dumb enough to make this mistake.

I doubt this. People say they will stop playing this game or that game all the time. Almost all are just threats, and would not quit. This is no more pay to win than exp scrolls. Just the phrase pay to win implies you could beat someone solely because you paid money. This would actually hurt you more than help as you would have no skyshards lore books or anything discovered. So pay to win? I think not, more like pay to lose. Ultimately you probably spend the same amount of time buying experience scrolls.

I've quit games with potential because they were P2W. Don't think I wouldn't quit this one too, because I would. Bad enough the convenience in this game is already quite high and P2W is technically on the table, despite how miniscule it is...

Ch4mpTW · July 2016

It honestly wouldn't make a different to me either way. So sure, why not? Not to mention the fact that just because someone bought a Lv.50 character, does not mean that they'd be knowledgable and skillful of/with it.

WillhelmBlack · July 2016

As long as you already have max level and CP, sure why not.

Runefang · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Nah, I enjoy playing (levelling) my characters and developing them while levelling - it lets me get a feel of what feels right with each of them.

I would be paying not to play... does not make sense to me.

There are only 4 classes............you have 8 character slots.........the 5 character you should by this time pretty much know the ends and outs of this game. that 5th character would be a convenience. At this point not pay to win.

But what does someone 'win' by having it be instant, if they 'win' something what makes it different from xp buffs? They don't have a stronger character than anyone else on the same level. They don't have some free gear or rank or whatever that someone generally 'earns'. They're just level 50. A level that can be earned in less than a day's worth of hours without paying any money (no sub, no marriage, just psijic ambrosia)

I'll just leave this here...

For the record levels apply here too.

Key here are the words "largely unbalanced". Like I said before everybody gets to level 50, without much skill and if they have another level 50 character then probably without much effort either. So paying to get to 50 isn't "largely unbalanced", it just removes one element of grind.

There is a big difference between that and as somebody else suggested, getting Maelstrom weapons. Beating vMSA requires skill and a lot of time, getting to 50 the second time requires neither.

BigBragg · July 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Seriously, you can grind a new character to level 50 in a couple of days (or less).

This so much.

Lumenn · July 2016

I personally enjoy building my character. Sometimes they surprise me when I have an idea set up and they almost seem to change on their own over time. But having said that, taking in the fact that you can grind a character so quickly if someone (who's already done it once) wants to spend their money to save just a few hours on a character that literally has nothing (no cp, gear, no horse training etc) who cares? Let them blow their money.

Olyboi · July 2016

Where is the challenge?

The 'grind' is half the battle!

starkerealm · July 2016

thealteregozero wrote: »

itehache wrote: »

Leveling up to 50 in this game it doesnt take that much time.

Yes I agree with you there! I do see alot of people with merchant and banker companions.......They are paying the crowns here.

To be fair, the banker was part of a major exploit there for awhile, so that has to have boosted his numbers a bit. And, the merchant is a lot rarer.

Iluvrien · July 2016

No. Heck no. Dear Azura no. Not for any reason.

I honestly don't understand the desire to do this, and unless someone can manage to explain it without using the words "dungeon", "endgame" or "PvP", I shall continue to not understand it.

Hallothiel · July 2016

If the OP is suggesting a level 50 with some skill points but nothing else, so they would have to go through the grind for crafting & skyshards etc - what would be the point? Levelling up some of these would probably have given enough XP to have got to level 50 anyway.....but without the understanding of how that build worked.

Not 'convenient' just sad.

And what skill lines can you buy?!

notimetocare · July 2016

Even if it gave you maxed crafting skill lines, i wouldnt see this pay to win. I dont want to see it added, but its not pay to win and many games do it. Though most do it to a point and not full max that ive see, eso doesnt have expansions tonscale lvl with.

notimetocare · July 2016

Kronuxx wrote: »

thealteregozero wrote: »

5,000 crowns?
If ESO allowed you to buy another lv 50 character after you leveled a character on your account in champion rank for 5,000 crowns would you buy it? Would you pay for this convenience?

Doesn't WoW give you the opportunity to have an instantly leveled character?

To the previous expansion max lvl. Around tue time new xpac is announced the lvl for the character boost is increaaed. So kind of, but not totally.

jedtb16_ESO · July 2016

pointless