FullBlownBeast wrote: »I don't *** believe this ***...
Spearblade wrote: »FullBlownBeast wrote: »I don't *** believe this ***...
That's constructive. This isn't a mind blowing suggestion. Nightblades aren't running around without it; it's just requiring them to run very specific builds.
And I'm not saying simply add Major Brutality to these skills. Buff shifting. Minor Endurance on Relentless Focus (stam reco) could go to Power Extraction or something.
Yay Let's give nb's everything they want in the easiest way to get. Why major brutality only You should want to get major berserk... And for real You have power extraction which gives it. The fact You cannot use it outside of fight sounds fair for me due to fact You have 9% more wep/spell dmg in hide and minor berserk also. Stamplars dont have ANY class major blutality and dont cry.
Yay Let's give nb's everything they want in the easiest way to get. Why major brutality only You should want to get major berserk... And for real You have power extraction which gives it. The fact You cannot use it outside of fight sounds fair for me due to fact You have 9% more wep/spell dmg in hide and minor berserk also. Stamplars dont have ANY class major blutality and dont cry.
Stamplars have a lot going for them. The only stam class with a class purge now that cloak no longer purges. Major Mending, 10% crit dmg, 6% wep dmg, etc. They are OP af.
Yay Let's give nb's everything they want in the easiest way to get. Why major brutality only You should want to get major berserk... And for real You have power extraction which gives it. The fact You cannot use it outside of fight sounds fair for me due to fact You have 9% more wep/spell dmg in hide and minor berserk also. Stamplars dont have ANY class major blutality and dont cry.
Spearblade wrote: »FullBlownBeast wrote: »I don't *** believe this ***...
That's constructive. This isn't a mind blowing suggestion. Nightblades aren't running around without it; it's just requiring them to run very specific builds.
And I'm not saying simply add Major Brutality to these skills. Buff shifting. Minor Endurance on Relentless Focus (stam reco) could go to Power Extraction or something.
This is something that has been requested many, many times.
To the people complaining: giving non 2H users a way to get Major Brutality doesn't "buff" Nightblades as 99% of them use Rally anyway (a good skill, even if you only used it for the heal).
In fact, if I was using 2H & I could get Major Brutality from Relentless Focus (or Power Extraction, without hitting target/becoming visible), I'd still use Rally and nothing would be different.
But as someone who is not sneaking around with a big 2H weapon & prefers DW/Bow, it is very punishing to play a Nightblade as you don't have access to this buff without breaking stealth - not without using expensive potions.
Toc de Malsvi wrote: »This is something that has been requested many, many times.
To the people complaining: giving non 2H users a way to get Major Brutality doesn't "buff" Nightblades as 99% of them use Rally anyway (a good skill, even if you only used it for the heal).
In fact, if I was using 2H & I could get Major Brutality from Relentless Focus (or Power Extraction, without hitting target/becoming visible), I'd still use Rally and nothing would be different.
But as someone who is not sneaking around with a big 2H weapon & prefers DW/Bow, it is very punishing to play a Nightblade as you don't have access to this buff without breaking stealth - not without using expensive potions.
DK's, Sorc's, Templar's don't get Minor Berserk at all, outside of having a personal healer apply it to them every 8s. Templar's do not get Major Brutality from class skill line, not just a melee restriction.
No it would not change NB's top end buffs, but it would offer more utility. NB's already have access to more buffs/de-buffs than any other class, giving them even more utility would be ridiculous.
Actually I think it is you that does not get the point.I don't think you get the point.
No one else gets that buff regardless of which weapon type they use...Nightblades get Minor Berserk no matter which weapon type they use: DW, S&B, Bow, Staff.. doesn't matter.
There are only two classes that don't have to make that same choice and they are DK and Sorc. Edit: Actually I completely forgot we are post Thieves Guild, Molten Weapons and all morphs bring you out of stealth so only Sorc's have that option.If you want Major Brutality without breaking stealth, you're going to have to use 2H weapon (or more potions than you can afford).
Of course, if Blade Cloak didn't break stealth upon casting & gave the Major Brutality, none of this would be a problem for people who want to use DW, not 2H - though you'd still have Bow/Bow & Bow/Shield builds be unpractical...
Oh, also... even though this is a bit off-topic, NBs don't actually get the most buffs/debuffs. It's time for that silly myth to be debunked.
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Toc de Malsvi wrote: »There are only two classes that don't have to make that same choice and they are DK and Sorc. Edit: Actually I completely forgot we are post Thieves Guild, Molten Weapons and all morphs bring you out of stealth so only Sorc's have that option..
This is something that has been requested many, many times.
To the people complaining: giving non 2H users a way to get Major Brutality doesn't "buff" Nightblades as 99% of them use Rally anyway (a good skill, even if you only used it for the heal).
In fact, if I was using 2H & I could get Major Brutality from Relentless Focus (or Power Extraction, without hitting target/becoming visible), I'd still use Rally and nothing would be different.
But as someone who is not sneaking around with a big 2H weapon & prefers DW/Bow, it is very punishing to play a Nightblade as you don't have access to this buff without breaking stealth - not without using expensive potions.
Ep1kMalware wrote: »This is something that has been requested many, many times.
To the people complaining: giving non 2H users a way to get Major Brutality doesn't "buff" Nightblades as 99% of them use Rally anyway (a good skill, even if you only used it for the heal).
In fact, if I was using 2H & I could get Major Brutality from Relentless Focus (or Power Extraction, without hitting target/becoming visible), I'd still use Rally and nothing would be different.
But as someone who is not sneaking around with a big 2H weapon & prefers DW/Bow, it is very punishing to play a Nightblade as you don't have access to this buff without breaking stealth - not without using expensive potions.
expensive? uhg. Spend a few minutes running around cold harbor and you'lk have a day's worth of potions.
Look, you are letting your NB hatred blind you from the real issue - you even state it yourself and still remain oblivious to what the issue is:Toc de Malsvi wrote: »There are only two classes that don't have to make that same choice and they are DK and Sorc. Edit: Actually I completely forgot we are post Thieves Guild, Molten Weapons and all morphs bring you out of stealth so only Sorc's have that option..
Let me type it again just to be clear: 3 out of 4 classes in the game are forced to slot a 2H weapon & Rally if they want to play a stealthy character.
So what needs to be done is either::
- Make Rally unstealth you upon activation & get you stuck in combat and unable to restealth again just like Flying Blade, Power Extraction, Igneous Weapons
or- Give a stealth compatible access to Major Brutality to other offensive weapon types as well (DW & Bow). Whether that's through class skills, a Fighters Guild skill or by revamping weapon skills - doesn't matter.
I could also go in to detail as to why I think that table is grossly inaccurate & lying with statistics, but that'd be off topic.
Just consider what buffs/debuffs you'll actually have active & reliable access to - buffs that you'd rather not get from much better non-class skills.
Actually screw that - if you forget the "Minor/Major" labels infront of skills - you should realize there's a lot more buffs & debuffs in the game than you've been led to believe.
Your table lists "Major Protection" from the Veil ulti as a "Nightblade buff" - yet it doesn't list Empowering Sweep at all, despite it giving much higher mitigation to Templars on a much bigger uptime. It just doesn't have a "Minor" or "Major" label.
Your table lists "Major Vitality" from Soul Siphon (that's right, the bad morph) as a "Nightblade buff" -despite it lasting only 4 seconds & requiring 150 ultimate - yet the table misses things like Remembrance giving 20% dmg reduction & 25% mitigation worth of armor for the same duration (only thing missing from that buff is the "Major/Minor" label for the buff).
Not only that, it's also missing those precious Major/Minor labeled buffs you're so fond of.
Where's the Major Maim debuff for Templars? Targets affected by Nova get that.
If you want to compare buffs on a class by class basis, first get your facts straight - then proceed to realize it's completely useless to do so if you don't include all buffs/debuffs and if you don't consider the global availability of skills like Shuffle (you can just remove Major Evasion from that NB list) and Entropy (Major Sorcery, Major Empower for all classes regardless of weapon choice).
So can we leave this anti-NB propaganda that has been debunked oh so many times somewhere else and focus on the issue at hand? People being forced to use 2H for Major Brutality and not just NBs - stam DKs & Templars as well suffer from this.
Toc de Malsvi wrote: »Look, you are letting your NB hatred blind you from the real issue - you even state it yourself and still remain oblivious to what the issue is:Toc de Malsvi wrote: »There are only two classes that don't have to make that same choice and they are DK and Sorc. Edit: Actually I completely forgot we are post Thieves Guild, Molten Weapons and all morphs bring you out of stealth so only Sorc's have that option..
Let me type it again just to be clear: 3 out of 4 classes in the game are forced to slot a 2H weapon & Rally if they want to play a stealthy character.
So what needs to be done is either::
- Make Rally unstealth you upon activation & get you stuck in combat and unable to restealth again just like Flying Blade, Power Extraction, Igneous Weapons
or- Give a stealth compatible access to Major Brutality to other offensive weapon types as well (DW & Bow). Whether that's through class skills, a Fighters Guild skill or by revamping weapon skills - doesn't matter.
I could also go in to detail as to why I think that table is grossly inaccurate & lying with statistics, but that'd be off topic.
Just consider what buffs/debuffs you'll actually have active & reliable access to - buffs that you'd rather not get from much better non-class skills.
Actually screw that - if you forget the "Minor/Major" labels infront of skills - you should realize there's a lot more buffs & debuffs in the game than you've been led to believe.
Your table lists "Major Protection" from the Veil ulti as a "Nightblade buff" - yet it doesn't list Empowering Sweep at all, despite it giving much higher mitigation to Templars on a much bigger uptime. It just doesn't have a "Minor" or "Major" label.
Your table lists "Major Vitality" from Soul Siphon (that's right, the bad morph) as a "Nightblade buff" -despite it lasting only 4 seconds & requiring 150 ultimate - yet the table misses things like Remembrance giving 20% dmg reduction & 25% mitigation worth of armor for the same duration (only thing missing from that buff is the "Major/Minor" label for the buff).
Not only that, it's also missing those precious Major/Minor labeled buffs you're so fond of.
Where's the Major Maim debuff for Templars? Targets affected by Nova get that.
If you want to compare buffs on a class by class basis, first get your facts straight - then proceed to realize it's completely useless to do so if you don't include all buffs/debuffs and if you don't consider the global availability of skills like Shuffle (you can just remove Major Evasion from that NB list) and Entropy (Major Sorcery, Major Empower for all classes regardless of weapon choice).
So can we leave this anti-NB propaganda that has been debunked oh so many times somewhere else and focus on the issue at hand? People being forced to use 2H for Major Brutality and not just NBs - stam DKs & Templars as well suffer from this.
I don't have a NB hatred, I have two top level NB's one which I farm VMA with. You have an incredible NB bias.
This was a "nightblade request" post, NB's don't need it, if anyone needs it, it would be templars. If this post argued that all classes should have an option to buff from stealth outside of 2H then sure, but that's not what this thread is about.
Empowering sweep has a bigger uptime but is not much higher mitigation, it needs to hit 4 targets to have on par mitigation, with Viel of Blades which does not require you to hit a target. Remembrance does give 20% reduction for 4s but that is neither a major nor a minor buff. Even adding those in though Templar's don't match up to the versatility of NB's.
NB's by far have the most utility and versatility. That doesn't make them the best for overall performance it simply makes it incredibly easy to adapt to different setups.
The only class that can turn invisible, the only class with Major Evasion without having to take a medium armor skill. The only class with 3 different ways to access Major Expedition. The only class that gains Major Ward and Major Resolve while being completely offensive. The only class with Major Berserk, the only class with Minor Berserk. The only class with 3 different ways to access Minor Maim. The only class with Major Breach. The only class with more than 3 stamina morphs. The only class with a stamina execute. The only class with a stamina gap closer. The only class with a no target required AOE CC.
The fact that you are not willing to acknowledge that is laying clear your incredible bias towards NB's.
Spearblade wrote: »As a Nightblade, we often initiate combat from Stealth/Cloak. It's kind of our thing. As is, if we want Major Brutality before we launch a sneak attack, we have to use Rally or use fancy potions. It's very limiting.
Lava_Croft wrote: »I think buffing StamBlades should be top priority.