Breton Need Damage Buff

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Minalan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Funny because in the last ESO Live, Eric Wrobel talked about how Bretons were top Magicka choice because the 3% cost reduction was "HUGE". So I think people have a very long way to go if you expect any changes to Breton while Eric is making the decisions.

This is the same guy who said that he wanted 'Dark Exchange' to feel 'awesome' if you manage to pull one off.

For the love of all MMO, please can that useless guy.

He should come down to Forums and reply customers complaints & stop ignoring their requests/posts.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

when at any point, did zos give the impression even in character creation, that breton is a damage dealer?

So what bretons are? No DPS, No Healer? then ??

Maximum magicka buff is DPS relevant, bretons are in middle of nowhere. they need to be fixed, beautiful race ignored, left a way back..

Reykice · July 2016

It would be the perfect opportunity for a magic damage buff... 4% like altmer has up to 7% dunmer value.

It would not be OP in any way, sorcs and dk's would still go altmer and dunmer mostly. And no class does only magic, destro is not magic its elemental plus class spells and meteor etc.

Breton would be the altmer for non elemental builds.

tinythinker · July 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

No. I could live with them getting better raw magic damage, but honestly Bretons are best known for being the 'resilient mage' race. Elves are generally 'fragile' and humans are generally 'tough'. Bretons are the elf-mer mix so it stands to reason they've got the tough magic, and that's just the way their theme is. To take that away would gut their theme altogether. I personally like my 4k magic resist on my Breton, and I'm of the view it is appropriate. I do think the cost reduction could be higher for them, or they could also get a little magic regeneration, or possibly a small chance to absorb magic.

From something else I wrote a year ago, the Spell Resistance passive could be reworked thus:

Dragonskin

Increases Spell Resistance by 1320/2640/3690 and gives a 2/4/8% chance to absorb a spell projectile for 2000 magicka

Junkogen · July 2016

Bretons aren't really known as damage dealers, though. Bretons should get the healing bonus and Argonians should get a damage bonus. That would be more lore appropriate. Breton have always been a tanky magicka race, whereas Argonians are supposed to be guerrilla warriors. This game has the racial passives all bass ackwards.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

Bretons aren't really known as damage dealers, though. Bretons should get the healing bonus and Argonians should get a damage bonus. That would be more lore appropriate. Breton have always been a tanky magicka race, whereas Argonians are supposed to be guerrilla warriors. This game has the racial passives all bass ackwards.

Damage is something that every race deserves by lore as all Races involved in fight. Some have magicka talent or others are warriors.

Bretons also have talent for swords, which is completely ignored under current passives.

Bretons are intelligent human and have main talent for Magicka, they have resistance but as well known for Magicka absorption (which is not the case under current pasives)

They are also merchants but there is no passive which give some something like this buff.

Spell resistance is what tanky? Tanks are useless without physical resistance..if you are building mage then this tank stuff is out of question..heavy armor does not suit for mages as for warriors..

They are also healers but they do not have unique passive currently for healing, that's my question now with broken passives, they are best at what?

A mediocre race?

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

If not giving magicka damage then bretons deserves negate spell cost by 3% chancea or further spell cost reduction to 7% or restore magicka from spell absorption..

Verbalinkontinenz · July 2016

/signed

Silver_Strider · July 2016

I don't agree with a damage buff for Breton, for the simple reason as they've never been better at magic than Altmer or Dunmer lorewise. I do however feel Breton deserves to be the best sustain magic race out of them.

My suggestion would be to combine the cost reduction and spell resistant passives together and change Magicka Mastery to the magic equivalent of Adrenaline Rush.

They keep their cost reduction and gain something that equates to 400 regen every second.

luen79rwb17_ESO · July 2016

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

ADarklore · July 2016

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

Destruent · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

That's fine, but other classes can do the same as a breton. And the worse thing is, they can do this better. There is atm no reason to play a breton. Maybe for appearance....but this is no factor to balance the game around

ADarklore · July 2016

Destruent wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

That's fine, but other classes can do the same as a breton. And the worse thing is, they can do this better. There is atm no reason to play a breton. Maybe for appearance....but this is no factor to balance the game around

Not all of us play to be min/maxers... and as noted with Khajiit and Redguard, they can both do things 'better' than Bosmer but according to Wrobel that is INTENDED. None of the races will ever be EQUAL, so if you're a min/maxer you'll always pick the race with the higher stats... but Breton can still run all the content successfully. So maybe it takes you a bit of extra time, big deal, you can still be successful.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How bretons are fine? And why shall Breton not be equal to alter or dunmer?

Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or Altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

ADarklore · July 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How they are fine? Comparing Altemrs or Dunmer? Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

They are not SUPPOSED TO BE 'compared' or EQUAL... they are supposed to be DIFFERENT allowing for different builds and different focuses. If you're only out for DPS, than pick Altmer or Dunmer if you're a min/maxer, but if you play for RP or want a different type of build that isn't solely focused on DPS, then Breton is completely fine. Even when focused on DPS, Breton is still completely fine. If you can't be successful with a Breton, then clearly it isn't the racial passives that's the problem, but your skill.

Destruent · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

That's fine, but other classes can do the same as a breton. And the worse thing is, they can do this better. There is atm no reason to play a breton. Maybe for appearance....but this is no factor to balance the game around

Not all of us play to be min/maxers... and as noted with Khajiit and Redguard, they can both do things 'better' than Bosmer but according to Wrobel that is INTENDED. None of the races will ever be EQUAL, so if you're a min/maxer you'll always pick the race with the higher stats... but Breton can still run all the content successfully. So maybe it takes you a bit of extra time, big deal, you can still be successful.

I agree on this, but that's not what balance is about. According to you, we can pretty much thrash all races but one for magicka and one for stamina and it would be ok. All classes should be good in one aspect of the game. There are lots of options how to get there.
It's not about equality (that would be boring) it is about choices, buffing bretons would give us another viable choice for a magicka build. Don't know why this should be a bad thing.

ADarklore · July 2016

Destruent wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

That's fine, but other classes can do the same as a breton. And the worse thing is, they can do this better. There is atm no reason to play a breton. Maybe for appearance....but this is no factor to balance the game around

Not all of us play to be min/maxers... and as noted with Khajiit and Redguard, they can both do things 'better' than Bosmer but according to Wrobel that is INTENDED. None of the races will ever be EQUAL, so if you're a min/maxer you'll always pick the race with the higher stats... but Breton can still run all the content successfully. So maybe it takes you a bit of extra time, big deal, you can still be successful.

I agree on this, but that's not what balance is about. According to you, we can pretty much thrash all races but one for magicka and one for stamina and it would be ok. All classes should be good in one aspect of the game. There are lots of options how to get there.
It's not about equality (that would be boring) it is about choices, buffing bretons would give us another viable choice for a magicka build. Don't know why this should be a bad thing.

As I've said, it's already viable and many people including myself are very successful with Breton as they are... but you want them to be comparable to Altmer or Dunmer. Comparable and equal are very closely related words... the cost reduction is the 'increase damage' for Breton as it offers more sustain versus burst.

Destruent · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

That's fine, but other classes can do the same as a breton. And the worse thing is, they can do this better. There is atm no reason to play a breton. Maybe for appearance....but this is no factor to balance the game around

Not all of us play to be min/maxers... and as noted with Khajiit and Redguard, they can both do things 'better' than Bosmer but according to Wrobel that is INTENDED. None of the races will ever be EQUAL, so if you're a min/maxer you'll always pick the race with the higher stats... but Breton can still run all the content successfully. So maybe it takes you a bit of extra time, big deal, you can still be successful.

I agree on this, but that's not what balance is about. According to you, we can pretty much thrash all races but one for magicka and one for stamina and it would be ok. All classes should be good in one aspect of the game. There are lots of options how to get there.
It's not about equality (that would be boring) it is about choices, buffing bretons would give us another viable choice for a magicka build. Don't know why this should be a bad thing.

As I've said, it's already viable and many people including myself are very successful with Breton as they are... but you want them to be comparable to Altmer or Dunmer. Comparable and equal are very closely related words... the cost reduction is the 'increase damage' for Breton as it offers more sustain versus burst.

Altmer offers more Sustain than breton AND more dmg. If Bretons were better with sustain i wouldn't complain.

Runkorko · July 2016

No, he dont.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How they are fine? Comparing Altemrs or Dunmer? Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

They are not SUPPOSED TO BE 'compared' or EQUAL... they are supposed to be DIFFERENT allowing for different builds and different focuses. If you're only out for DPS, than pick Altmer or Dunmer if you're a min/maxer, but if you play for RP or want a different type of build that isn't solely focused on DPS, then Breton is completely fine. Even when focused on DPS, Breton is still completely fine. If you can't be successful with a Breton, then clearly it isn't the racial passives that's the problem, but your skill.

Why dunmer is not different from Altmer? And no time are DPS focused?

I am sure you are playing end game contents (trails, especially PVP), DPS matters their and 7% damage buff or 4% can not be ignored. This means if you hit 10k in which 7% (dunmer) is 700 DMG buff is useless? does not it matter?

Why should I play else than breton if I like this race?

Even they are not very sustained, 3% reduction is crap comparing CP offering, light armor reduction etc.

luen79rwb17_ESO · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

Nobody said people are expecting Bretons to be equal to other races. And certainly I haven't said that on my feedback threads nor the post you quoted.

The main issue with Breton at their current form is that they lack identity or a valid reason to pick them for any traditional magicka-based roles: heal / dps. For these roles other races seem to be better than Breton.

Some people may argue that Bretons might Be on the same level to argonians with the recent change to argonians heal buff. But that was because of a change to argonian, again Breton lacking.

Magicka mastery by itself is not enough in it's current form if they intend to make Breton better at sustain. It can be easily replaced by many mechanics and systems in the game: CP, enchants, potions, item sets, staves heavy attack, ability sinergies... SO many sources for sustain that simple logic is, go altmer (which btw have extra recovery too looool) or dunmer for the extra damage since you can cover sustain in so many other ways. In the end that's why everybody tend to think that magicka mastery 3% by itself feels tiny.

Minalan · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How they are fine? Comparing Altemrs or Dunmer? Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

They are not SUPPOSED TO BE 'compared' or EQUAL... they are supposed to be DIFFERENT allowing for different builds and different focuses. If you're only out for DPS, than pick Altmer or Dunmer if you're a min/maxer, but if you play for RP or want a different type of build that isn't solely focused on DPS, then Breton is completely fine. Even when focused on DPS, Breton is still completely fine. If you can't be successful with a Breton, then clearly it isn't the racial passives that's the problem, but your skill.

I'm okay with being different, so long as the differences are relatively comparable.

For example: alter get a regen bonus of 9%.
Breton get a Magicka cost reduction of 3%.

Is that different? Yes
Is that comparable? No. Breton would need 5-6% cost reduction to be in the same class as a 9% regen bonus.

Consider raising the Magicka resist and cost reduction passives please.

Dracane · July 2016

Bretons are fine, lorewise as well as gameplay wise.
Bretons have always been the defensive mages. Gifted with magicka and sustain, but also with a natural resistance to magic. And the defense bonus they have in ESO is noticeable.

Sorry to say that, but actually Altmer need buffs (or bretons a nerf):) Lorewise that is. Doesn't work that Bretons have the same Magicka bonus. That's not lore friendly at all.

Van_0S · July 2016

Wrong thread!

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Bretons are fine, lorewise as well as gameplay wise.
Bretons have always been the defensive mages. Gifted with magicka and sustain, but also with a natural resistance to magic. And the defense bonus they have in ESO is noticeable.

Sorry to say that, but actually Altmer need buffs (or bretons a nerf):) Lorewise that is. Doesn't work that Bretons have the same Magicka bonus. That's not lore friendly at all.

How much do you know about breton lore wise ? High rock had faced worst war and bretons under shadow of elf becomes good with magic talent that includes Spell Absorption, Resistance and Healing.

They also have talent of swords and are best merchants.

The current pasives does not fit much per lore they are not best healers. Altmer heal same as breton, they do not have any magicka absorption talent.

What they have is 3% cost reduction? That is unfair comparing altemers 9% recovery. Enough Cost reduction can easily get using CP, light armor piece, sets I.e seducer.. 3% is very low..

They need boost in passives altmers and Dunmer crosses breton in dps, its matter for end game contents and pvp.

May be it does not matter for some because they are altemrs or Dunmer dps..

Breton pasive need improvements..

Dunmer are overpowered, 7% fire damage buff, 2% shock and frost..

6% max stamina, they may need a nerf not bretons..

Lucky28 · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Bretons are fine, lorewise as well as gameplay wise.
Bretons have always been the defensive mages. Gifted with magicka and sustain, but also with a natural resistance to magic. And the defense bonus they have in ESO is noticeable.

Sorry to say that, but actually Altmer need buffs (or bretons a nerf):) Lorewise that is. Doesn't work that Bretons have the same Magicka bonus. That's not lore friendly at all.

I think what the game lacks (in terms of racial passives) is a magic damage passive. Bretons are simply the best option for that (from a balance standpoint) as the other magicka races already have something that boosts their damage.

ADarklore · July 2016

Minalan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How they are fine? Comparing Altemrs or Dunmer? Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

They are not SUPPOSED TO BE 'compared' or EQUAL... they are supposed to be DIFFERENT allowing for different builds and different focuses. If you're only out for DPS, than pick Altmer or Dunmer if you're a min/maxer, but if you play for RP or want a different type of build that isn't solely focused on DPS, then Breton is completely fine. Even when focused on DPS, Breton is still completely fine. If you can't be successful with a Breton, then clearly it isn't the racial passives that's the problem, but your skill.

I'm okay with being different, so long as the differences are relatively comparable.

For example: alter get a regen bonus of 9%.
Breton get a Magicka cost reduction of 3%.

Is that different? Yes
Is that comparable? No. Breton would need 5-6% cost reduction to be in the same class as a 9% regen bonus.

Consider raising the Magicka resist and cost reduction passives please.

Have you run the numbers since the cost increase with DB game update?!? Also, again you say 'relatively comparable'... relative to whose opinion? Because clearly according to Eric Wrobel, Breton's ARE comparable and HE is the one making the decisions on this. I just happen to agree with him, Breton's are fine right now. Would I love to see an increase, sure... but is it necessary for success, NO.

Minalan · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How they are fine? Comparing Altemrs or Dunmer? Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

They are not SUPPOSED TO BE 'compared' or EQUAL... they are supposed to be DIFFERENT allowing for different builds and different focuses. If you're only out for DPS, than pick Altmer or Dunmer if you're a min/maxer, but if you play for RP or want a different type of build that isn't solely focused on DPS, then Breton is completely fine. Even when focused on DPS, Breton is still completely fine. If you can't be successful with a Breton, then clearly it isn't the racial passives that's the problem, but your skill.

I'm okay with being different, so long as the differences are relatively comparable.

For example: alter get a regen bonus of 9%.
Breton get a Magicka cost reduction of 3%.

Is that different? Yes
Is that comparable? No. Breton would need 5-6% cost reduction to be in the same class as a 9% regen bonus.

Consider raising the Magicka resist and cost reduction passives please.

Have you run the numbers since the cost increase with DB game update?!? Also, again you say 'relatively comparable'... relative to whose opinion? Because clearly according to Eric Wrobel, Breton's ARE comparable and HE is the one making the decisions on this. I just happen to agree with him, Breton's are fine right now. Would I love to see an increase, sure... but is it necessary for success, NO.

Why should one class get two or three pieces of light armor passive, and another gets just one?

Either nerf Altmer, or buff Breton slightly. I'd rather see the latter happen.

ADarklore · July 2016

Minalan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How they are fine? Comparing Altemrs or Dunmer? Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

They are not SUPPOSED TO BE 'compared' or EQUAL... they are supposed to be DIFFERENT allowing for different builds and different focuses. If you're only out for DPS, than pick Altmer or Dunmer if you're a min/maxer, but if you play for RP or want a different type of build that isn't solely focused on DPS, then Breton is completely fine. Even when focused on DPS, Breton is still completely fine. If you can't be successful with a Breton, then clearly it isn't the racial passives that's the problem, but your skill.

I'm okay with being different, so long as the differences are relatively comparable.

For example: alter get a regen bonus of 9%.
Breton get a Magicka cost reduction of 3%.

Is that different? Yes
Is that comparable? No. Breton would need 5-6% cost reduction to be in the same class as a 9% regen bonus.

Consider raising the Magicka resist and cost reduction passives please.

Have you run the numbers since the cost increase with DB game update?!? Also, again you say 'relatively comparable'... relative to whose opinion? Because clearly according to Eric Wrobel, Breton's ARE comparable and HE is the one making the decisions on this. I just happen to agree with him, Breton's are fine right now. Would I love to see an increase, sure... but is it necessary for success, NO.

Why should one class get two or three pieces of light armor passive, and another gets just one?

Either nerf Altmer, or buff Breton slightly. I'd rather see the latter happen.

I'd rather see a buff to Breton too, who wouldn't want to see a buff to their character, but again, if Eric doesn't feel it's "necessary for success" then it isn't going to happen and complaining about it and beating it to death isn't going to change his mind. ZOS makes changes based upon actual facts, including actual numbers, presented by forum users, not subjective opinions. The reason they reversed Khajiit was because the forum viewpoint of them becoming OP was shown to be true when ZOS did an in-depth investigation, which is also when they discovered the Redguard passive wasn't working as intended. If players can PROVE with actual numbers that Bretons are severely handicapped with racial passives to the point of being unsuccessful because of it, then Eric would most likely be more inclined to make changes. However, since ZOS has access to Leaderboards and PvP data, apparently they aren't seeing the disparity that some people here are claiming... and personal observation wise, I still see a TON of Bretons in-game.

Minalan · July 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So many great ideas, I posted mine on the racial passive thread.

I hope something is going to be done to Bretons because we all agree their passives suck in their current form. Bretons are the argonians of update 11.

I disagree, I think Breton is fine, I have no problems being successful with my Breton Magicka Templar. I don't expect Bretons to be EQUAL to Altmer or Dunmer, just as Bosmer is not supposed to be EQUAL to Khajiit or Redguard.

How they are fine? Comparing Altemrs or Dunmer? Breton is very prominent human race and deserves to be best not be a mediocre..

This means I should switch all my 5 bretons to Dunmer or altemrs?

So they will be good by looks only?

They are not SUPPOSED TO BE 'compared' or EQUAL... they are supposed to be DIFFERENT allowing for different builds and different focuses. If you're only out for DPS, than pick Altmer or Dunmer if you're a min/maxer, but if you play for RP or want a different type of build that isn't solely focused on DPS, then Breton is completely fine. Even when focused on DPS, Breton is still completely fine. If you can't be successful with a Breton, then clearly it isn't the racial passives that's the problem, but your skill.

I'm okay with being different, so long as the differences are relatively comparable.

For example: alter get a regen bonus of 9%.
Breton get a Magicka cost reduction of 3%.

Is that different? Yes
Is that comparable? No. Breton would need 5-6% cost reduction to be in the same class as a 9% regen bonus.

Consider raising the Magicka resist and cost reduction passives please.

Have you run the numbers since the cost increase with DB game update?!? Also, again you say 'relatively comparable'... relative to whose opinion? Because clearly according to Eric Wrobel, Breton's ARE comparable and HE is the one making the decisions on this. I just happen to agree with him, Breton's are fine right now. Would I love to see an increase, sure... but is it necessary for success, NO.

Why should one class get two or three pieces of light armor passive, and another gets just one?

Either nerf Altmer, or buff Breton slightly. I'd rather see the latter happen.

I'd rather see a buff to Breton too, who wouldn't want to see a buff to their character, but again, if Eric doesn't feel it's "necessary for success" then it isn't going to happen and complaining about it and beating it to death isn't going to change his mind. ZOS makes changes based upon actual facts, including actual numbers, presented by forum users, not subjective opinions. The reason they reversed Khajiit was because the forum viewpoint of them becoming OP was shown to be true when ZOS did an in-depth investigation, which is also when they discovered the Redguard passive wasn't working as intended. If players can PROVE with actual numbers that Bretons are severely handicapped with racial passives to the point of being unsuccessful because of it, then Eric would most likely be more inclined to make changes. However, since ZOS has access to Leaderboards and PvP data, apparently they aren't seeing the disparity that some people here are claiming... and personal observation wise, I still see a TON of Bretons in-game.

I didn't say we weren't successful because of it. But it might be nice not to be the worst (comparative) choice of three Magicka races.

Alright mate. Here's your math:

Light armor: evocation - gives 3% cost reduction per piece equipped.

That's the Breton bonus. One piece.

Light armor: recovery - gives 4% Magicka regen per piece.

What's the Altmer bonus here? That's right, over two pieces of light armor as a passive.

Balance? I understand that cost reduction is a little better than regen, since it's better not to spend mana to begin with rather than wait for it to come back. But by no means is it THREE TIMES better (3% versus 9%).

Why use light armor as an example? Because most Magicka classes wear at least five pieces of it. It's significant when comparing passive stacking, because it's our biggest base Magicka recovery and cost contribution before considering CP.

Not enough?! How about the fact that you can get the Breton cost reduction bonus with TEN points in magician, but it takes about THIRTY to get the Altmer 9% regen bonus with Arcanist? Can I get an extra 20 points of CP please?

I'm not about to create a 3D plot of this like they want. An increase to 4-5% total on the cost passive would probably be enough.