Breton Need Damage Buff

Minalan

Sallington wrote: »

I would trade Spell Resist for +Magic Damage in a heartbeat. I'd even take +Spell Critical, since that would be unique to Bretons.

Bretons have never had spell damage or crit in any elder scrolls game. DaggerFall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim

In every elder scrolls we used to get spell absorption. Dragon skin. It absorbs a percentage (20%?) of magic damage and returns it as Magicka. That's what our racial lore is.

They can't implement that here, it's both OP as heck and not written in the core game. So they gave us max Magicka, spell resist, and cost reduction to sort of mimic that. Problem is, the cost reduction isn't big enough. It's 10 CP of magician.

Reykice

Exactly, if not magic damage then more sustain, that works too... increase the sustain of the current passive of make one like the redguards, anything works.

Dracane

Minalan wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

I would trade Spell Resist for +Magic Damage in a heartbeat. I'd even take +Spell Critical, since that would be unique to Bretons.

Bretons have never had spell damage or crit in any elder scrolls game. DaggerFall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim

In every elder scrolls we used to get spell absorption. Dragon skin. It absorbs a percentage (20%?) of magic damage and returns it as Magicka. That's what our racial lore is.

They can't implement that here, it's both OP as heck and not written in the core game. So they gave us max Magicka, spell resist, and cost reduction to sort of mimic that. Problem is, the cost reduction isn't big enough. It's 10 CP of magician.

50% even

Minalan

Reykice wrote: »

Exactly, if not magic damage then more sustain, that works too... increase the sustain of the current passive of make one like the redguards, anything works.

Can you imagine getting back 20% of the cost of every spell that hit you back?

Dracane wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

I would trade Spell Resist for +Magic Damage in a heartbeat. I'd even take +Spell Critical, since that would be unique to Bretons.

Bretons have never had spell damage or crit in any elder scrolls game. DaggerFall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim

In every elder scrolls we used to get spell absorption. Dragon skin. It absorbs a percentage (20%?) of magic damage and returns it as Magicka. That's what our racial lore is.

They can't implement that here, it's both OP as heck and not written in the core game. So they gave us max Magicka, spell resist, and cost reduction to sort of mimic that. Problem is, the cost reduction isn't big enough. It's 10 CP of magician.

50% even

I did forget that it was a one day power. But with all of the resting/travel time, I always had it up whenever really needed. Especially for the dragon priests, so much fun.

Van_0S

What I really want Bretons to have is spell negation by x%. That way, the Bretons can be considered as a class that has good magicka resources like the redguard with their adrenaline rush passive.

Lord_Eomer

Minalan wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

I would trade Spell Resist for +Magic Damage in a heartbeat. I'd even take +Spell Critical, since that would be unique to Bretons.

Bretons have never had spell damage or crit in any elder scrolls game. DaggerFall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim

In every elder scrolls we used to get spell absorption. Dragon skin. It absorbs a percentage (20%?) of magic damage and returns it as Magicka. That's what our racial lore is.

They can't implement that here, it's both OP as heck and not written in the core game. So they gave us max Magicka, spell resist, and cost reduction to sort of mimic that. Problem is, the cost reduction isn't big enough. It's 10 CP of magician.

Even khajit never had wepon critical chance in any prevous elder scroll game, Yes there is always first time.

Critical chance spell damage 3-5% is good option.

TheHsN

they need to take out or reduce spell resistance and add %2-4-6 spell damage and Reduce cost %3-6-9 it should be... AND they need to add to ALTMER %3 spell damage...

WillhelmBlack

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

TheHsN

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

What u wanna make make with breton a boss monster???

Lord_Eomer

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I my seems you have n

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I can see, You have clearly no idea how end game trials work and pvp, we are asking either increase damage or improve passive because breton is least dps race among all magicka races (Altmer, dunmer and breton). Their racial passive with other mgicka dps Seems not balance.

Bretons are least successful among others two, this reduce spell cost is big jolk comparing other reduction cost offers by game which any race any get.

This 3% cost has no value, spell resistance add nothing..every dps is running with 10k resistance which can be easily get through armor. All magicka rely in damage shields. This race is for Magicka builds not tank either like Nord, imperial can.

Bretons are losing dps and sustain due to this crap passives. They need to be par wih other races and yea they deserve more DPS and further pasive improvements.
I can not explain you better than its already described in this thread discussion.

So kindly read thread.

Reykice

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

They do not have cost reduction that works. Altmer is better for sustain at this point due to how the 3% gets calculated and such.

Shocker i know. So a buff is needed, either damage or sustain. 4% magic is in line with other races and will realistically be 2% max damage so not a big deal while more sustain would at least make Bretons actually be the magicka sustain race.

I mean look at redguard, you pick that and no more sustain issues... you pick Breton and you find out Altmer does more damage and has more sustain...

luen79rwb17_ESO

Those arguing about lore stuff for Breton needed buffs: as many people have said there are alot of examples of other things that weren't in the lore until ESO. Remember back in launch days it was almost a blasphemy to lore purists when they read about dunmer making a pact with argonians? Even the whole main story in ESO wasnt mentioned before in the lore, and those lore purists raged alot!

So in terms of racials the impact is significantly less, and remember that everything in ESO is cannon for the franchise, so ESO can, as it have done before, add new things lore wise that adds to the evolution of ES lore. If not ESO would be just a nostalgia, cameo, easter-egg filled game. Which should not be the case.

WillhelmBlack

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I my seems you have n

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I can see, You have clearly no idea how end game trials work and pvp, we are asking either increase damage or improve passive because breton is least dps race among all magicka races (Altmer, dunmer and breton). Their racial passive with other mgicka dps Seems not balance.

Bretons are least successful among others two, this reduce spell cost is big jolk comparing other reduction cost offers by game which any race any get.

This 3% cost has no value, spell resistance add nothing..every dps is running with 10k resistance which can be easily get through armor. All magicka rely in damage shields. This race is for Magicka builds not tank either like Nord, imperial can.

Bretons are losing dps and sustain due to this crap passives. They need to be par wih other races and yea they deserve more DPS and further pasive improvements.
I can not explain you better than its already described in this thread discussion.

So kindly read thread.

I would always pick an Altmer or Dunmer for dps. I'd pick a Breton for healing and heal tanking though, yes, that's a thing.

I guess I've been playing the game wrong all these years.

Lord_Eomer

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I my seems you have n

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I can see, You have clearly no idea how end game trials work and pvp, we are asking either increase damage or improve passive because breton is least dps race among all magicka races (Altmer, dunmer and breton). Their racial passive with other mgicka dps Seems not balance.

Bretons are least successful among others two, this reduce spell cost is big jolk comparing other reduction cost offers by game which any race any get.

This 3% cost has no value, spell resistance add nothing..every dps is running with 10k resistance which can be easily get through armor. All magicka rely in damage shields. This race is for Magicka builds not tank either like Nord, imperial can.

Bretons are losing dps and sustain due to this crap passives. They need to be par wih other races and yea they deserve more DPS and further pasive improvements.
I can not explain you better than its already described in this thread discussion.

So kindly read thread.

I would always pick an Altmer or Dunmer for dps. I'd pick a Breton for healing and heal tanking though, yes, that's a thing.

I guess I've been playing the game wrong all these years.

Please do not take offensive, sometime it's hard to agree with or convince other players. I also have spent long time wih this game PVE and PVP.

Breton as Healer are good as Altmer.

Even as Altmer u will get better DPS for certain flame abilities like vampire bane (good to proidev some DOT against trial boss )

Breton 3% reduction cost is no high jump over 9% magicka recovery. Altmers are more sustain.

I do not accept breton as better Healer, they do not have any healing buff pasives either..

With their racial passives, they both heal for same. Altmers can also reduce spell cost using light armor 7 peiece which is 21% + seducer set 8% + CP @16%

I do not see any value of 3% spell cost reduction.

Mataata

Bretons have always been defensive mages while Altmer have always been offensive mages. They shouldn't have the best defensive magic passive -and- an offensive magic passive at the same time. Sorry.

Lord_Eomer

Mataata wrote: »

Bretons have always been defensive mages while Altmer have always been offensive mages. They shouldn't have the best defensive magic passive -and- an offensive magic passive at the same time. Sorry.

Defencive passives are weaker for breton, mages are running wih damage shields. Defense does not work for them..can not survive pvp or trials..

I do not understand as defensive mage? What should they do? Creating shields to protect others?

They need spell magicka absorption pasive or buff with spell cost reduction to be effective.

We have only three magicka races, magic damage buff or spell critical works best for them to compete other magicka races..

Eirikir

If it were up to me, Opportunist would not effect Leader Boards. I would rather it have been named Scholar and have it boost your chance to find lore amd skill books. Maybe even highlight book shelves that hold ones you don't have, even that would be cool.

As for damage I would do something radical as it requires radical action. I would merge Spell Resistance into Gift of the Magus to free up a passive. Now here is where it would get odd...

Battle Mage Level 1 - Raises Spell damage by 2%.

Battle Mage Level 2 - Raises Spell damage by 3%.

Battle Mage Level 3 - Raises Spell damage by 5%. Physical Weapon types and Stamina skills still use Stamina as a resource but use Spell Damage in their damage calculations.

Adding a built-in Pelinal's Aptitude in effect. Would really add some offense as well as unique play. I feel the fact you would still need Stamina as a resource would keep it down. Just so thoughts.

ADarklore

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I my seems you have n

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I can see, You have clearly no idea how end game trials work and pvp, we are asking either increase damage or improve passive because breton is least dps race among all magicka races (Altmer, dunmer and breton). Their racial passive with other mgicka dps Seems not balance.

Bretons are least successful among others two, this reduce spell cost is big jolk comparing other reduction cost offers by game which any race any get.

This 3% cost has no value, spell resistance add nothing..every dps is running with 10k resistance which can be easily get through armor. All magicka rely in damage shields. This race is for Magicka builds not tank either like Nord, imperial can.

Bretons are losing dps and sustain due to this crap passives. They need to be par wih other races and yea they deserve more DPS and further pasive improvements.
I can not explain you better than its already described in this thread discussion.

So kindly read thread.

I would always pick an Altmer or Dunmer for dps. I'd pick a Breton for healing and heal tanking though, yes, that's a thing.

I guess I've been playing the game wrong all these years.

Please do not take offensive, sometime it's hard to agree with or convince other players. I also have spent long time wih this game PVE and PVP.

Breton as Healer are good as Altmer.

Even as Altmer u will get better DPS for certain flame abilities like vampire bane (good to proidev some DOT against trial boss )

Breton 3% reduction cost is no high jump over 9% magicka recovery. Altmers are more sustain.

I do not accept breton as better Healer, they do not have any healing buff pasives either..

With their racial passives, they both heal for same. Altmers can also reduce spell cost using light armor 7 peiece which is 21% + seducer set 8% + CP @16%

I do not see any value of 3% spell cost reduction.

There's no point in discussing things with you because when someone says something different, you just repeat the same thing over and over again. Clearly you're convinced by your own chosen beliefs that you are right and everyone else is wrong, even though you admitted the other day that you haven't played this game in a long time and didn't even know the cost reduction passive was 16%, not 12% like you were originally claiming. Therefore it's clear you haven't TESTED anything that you're talking about, you're just saying what you THINK is true, without doing any actual critical number crunching or thorough testing. So in a nutshell, the only thing you keep repeating is your own OPINION yet continue to state it as if it were a proven fact, which is isn't.

Lord_Eomer

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I my seems you have n

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I can see, You have clearly no idea how end game trials work and pvp, we are asking either increase damage or improve passive because breton is least dps race among all magicka races (Altmer, dunmer and breton). Their racial passive with other mgicka dps Seems not balance.

Bretons are least successful among others two, this reduce spell cost is big jolk comparing other reduction cost offers by game which any race any get.

This 3% cost has no value, spell resistance add nothing..every dps is running with 10k resistance which can be easily get through armor. All magicka rely in damage shields. This race is for Magicka builds not tank either like Nord, imperial can.

Bretons are losing dps and sustain due to this crap passives. They need to be par wih other races and yea they deserve more DPS and further pasive improvements.
I can not explain you better than its already described in this thread discussion.

So kindly read thread.

I would always pick an Altmer or Dunmer for dps. I'd pick a Breton for healing and heal tanking though, yes, that's a thing.

I guess I've been playing the game wrong all these years.

Please do not take offensive, sometime it's hard to agree with or convince other players. I also have spent long time wih this game PVE and PVP.

Breton as Healer are good as Altmer.

Even as Altmer u will get better DPS for certain flame abilities like vampire bane (good to proidev some DOT against trial boss )

Breton 3% reduction cost is no high jump over 9% magicka recovery. Altmers are more sustain.

I do not accept breton as better Healer, they do not have any healing buff pasives either..

With their racial passives, they both heal for same. Altmers can also reduce spell cost using light armor 7 peiece which is 21% + seducer set 8% + CP @16%

I do not see any value of 3% spell cost reduction.

There's no point in discussing things with you because when someone says something different, you just repeat the same thing over and over again. Clearly you're convinced by your own chosen beliefs that you are right and everyone else is wrong, even though you admitted the other day that you haven't played this game in a long time and didn't even know the cost reduction passive was 16%, not 12% like you were originally claiming. Therefore it's clear you haven't TESTED anything that you're talking about, you're just saying what you THINK is true, without doing any actual critical number crunching or thorough testing. So in a nutshell, the only thing you keep repeating is your own OPINION yet continue to state it as if it were a proven fact, which is isn't.

I am not sure what you are tying to prove, I clealry mentioned reasons of a weaker Breton racials pasives while comparing with others. I do not know what I am convinced to, I am talking about what we have in game for this race and can be improved.

I had tried to explain in previous post that there are lot of ways where u can get reduction spell cost includig Champion System with any race.

I had wrote tgat CP gives 12% reduction, I was not playing game that time and had not 100% checked exact percentage that time.
instead champion system gives 16%, which is more better than 12%.

BRETON passive offers 3%, in comparison with other races breton will just have more 3% more reduction.

This 3% is low and weaker should be buff of to replace with another good passive. If spell cost is 4000 , this 3% gives reduction around 120, which is not very good as other ways are already offering good reduction and even almer 9% recovery is much better

Where am I wrong? Or give wrong explanation?

Your response is giving me a good laugh, how are u trying to blame some percentage correction ...that percentage in fact more help in justifying breton cost reduction 3% is useless..

Players have suggested lot of good alternatives to improve passive and are in thread discussion.

Reykice

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I my seems you have n

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I can see, You have clearly no idea how end game trials work and pvp, we are asking either increase damage or improve passive because breton is least dps race among all magicka races (Altmer, dunmer and breton). Their racial passive with other mgicka dps Seems not balance.

Bretons are least successful among others two, this reduce spell cost is big jolk comparing other reduction cost offers by game which any race any get.

This 3% cost has no value, spell resistance add nothing..every dps is running with 10k resistance which can be easily get through armor. All magicka rely in damage shields. This race is for Magicka builds not tank either like Nord, imperial can.

Bretons are losing dps and sustain due to this crap passives. They need to be par wih other races and yea they deserve more DPS and further pasive improvements.
I can not explain you better than its already described in this thread discussion.

So kindly read thread.

I would always pick an Altmer or Dunmer for dps. I'd pick a Breton for healing and heal tanking though, yes, that's a thing.

I guess I've been playing the game wrong all these years.

Please do not take offensive, sometime it's hard to agree with or convince other players. I also have spent long time wih this game PVE and PVP.

Breton as Healer are good as Altmer.

Even as Altmer u will get better DPS for certain flame abilities like vampire bane (good to proidev some DOT against trial boss )

Breton 3% reduction cost is no high jump over 9% magicka recovery. Altmers are more sustain.

I do not accept breton as better Healer, they do not have any healing buff pasives either..

With their racial passives, they both heal for same. Altmers can also reduce spell cost using light armor 7 peiece which is 21% + seducer set 8% + CP @16%

I do not see any value of 3% spell cost reduction.

There's no point in discussing things with you because when someone says something different, you just repeat the same thing over and over again. Clearly you're convinced by your own chosen beliefs that you are right and everyone else is wrong, even though you admitted the other day that you haven't played this game in a long time and didn't even know the cost reduction passive was 16%, not 12% like you were originally claiming. Therefore it's clear you haven't TESTED anything that you're talking about, you're just saying what you THINK is true, without doing any actual critical number crunching or thorough testing. So in a nutshell, the only thing you keep repeating is your own OPINION yet continue to state it as if it were a proven fact, which is isn't.

I am not sure what you are tying to prove, I clealry mentioned reasons of a weaker Breton racials pasives while comparing with others. I do not know what I am convinced to, I am talking about what we have in game for this race and can be improved.

I had tried to explain in previous post that there are lot of ways where u can get reduction spell cost includig Champion System with any race.

I had wrote tgat CP gives 12% reduction, I was not playing game that time and had not 100% checked exact percentage that time.
instead champion system gives 16%, which is more better than 12%.

BRETON passive offers 3%, in comparison with other races breton will just have more 3% more reduction.

This 3% is low and weaker should be buff of to replace with another good passive. If spell cost is 4000 , this 3% gives reduction around 120, which is not very good as other ways are already offering good reduction and even almer 9% recovery is much better

Where am I wrong? Or give wrong explanation?

Your response is giving me a good laugh, how are u trying to blame some percentage correction ...that percentage in fact more help in justifying breton cost reduction 3% is useless..

Players have suggested lot of good alternatives to improve passive and are in thread discussion.

Its not 3% from the 4000 magicka cost... its calculated differently and ends up being about 2% or so out of the full cost. Pathetic as far as 3rd tier racials go.

psychotic13

Just swap spell resistance for spell crit, argonians don't need anything else I think they'll be fine after these updates

Ashamray

I'm fine with Spell Resistance, it's 4000 for free - very good.

Minalan

Reykice wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I my seems you have n

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Bretons DO NOT need a damage buff. They have spell resistance AND max magicka AND magicka cost reduction. You're off your rocker!

Wanna do more damage, pick a damage race.

I can see, You have clearly no idea how end game trials work and pvp, we are asking either increase damage or improve passive because breton is least dps race among all magicka races (Altmer, dunmer and breton). Their racial passive with other mgicka dps Seems not balance.

Bretons are least successful among others two, this reduce spell cost is big jolk comparing other reduction cost offers by game which any race any get.

This 3% cost has no value, spell resistance add nothing..every dps is running with 10k resistance which can be easily get through armor. All magicka rely in damage shields. This race is for Magicka builds not tank either like Nord, imperial can.

Bretons are losing dps and sustain due to this crap passives. They need to be par wih other races and yea they deserve more DPS and further pasive improvements.
I can not explain you better than its already described in this thread discussion.

So kindly read thread.

I would always pick an Altmer or Dunmer for dps. I'd pick a Breton for healing and heal tanking though, yes, that's a thing.

I guess I've been playing the game wrong all these years.

Please do not take offensive, sometime it's hard to agree with or convince other players. I also have spent long time wih this game PVE and PVP.

Breton as Healer are good as Altmer.

Even as Altmer u will get better DPS for certain flame abilities like vampire bane (good to proidev some DOT against trial boss )

Breton 3% reduction cost is no high jump over 9% magicka recovery. Altmers are more sustain.

I do not accept breton as better Healer, they do not have any healing buff pasives either..

With their racial passives, they both heal for same. Altmers can also reduce spell cost using light armor 7 peiece which is 21% + seducer set 8% + CP @16%

I do not see any value of 3% spell cost reduction.

There's no point in discussing things with you because when someone says something different, you just repeat the same thing over and over again. Clearly you're convinced by your own chosen beliefs that you are right and everyone else is wrong, even though you admitted the other day that you haven't played this game in a long time and didn't even know the cost reduction passive was 16%, not 12% like you were originally claiming. Therefore it's clear you haven't TESTED anything that you're talking about, you're just saying what you THINK is true, without doing any actual critical number crunching or thorough testing. So in a nutshell, the only thing you keep repeating is your own OPINION yet continue to state it as if it were a proven fact, which is isn't.

I am not sure what you are tying to prove, I clealry mentioned reasons of a weaker Breton racials pasives while comparing with others. I do not know what I am convinced to, I am talking about what we have in game for this race and can be improved.

I had tried to explain in previous post that there are lot of ways where u can get reduction spell cost includig Champion System with any race.

I had wrote tgat CP gives 12% reduction, I was not playing game that time and had not 100% checked exact percentage that time.
instead champion system gives 16%, which is more better than 12%.

BRETON passive offers 3%, in comparison with other races breton will just have more 3% more reduction.

This 3% is low and weaker should be buff of to replace with another good passive. If spell cost is 4000 , this 3% gives reduction around 120, which is not very good as other ways are already offering good reduction and even almer 9% recovery is much better

Where am I wrong? Or give wrong explanation?

Your response is giving me a good laugh, how are u trying to blame some percentage correction ...that percentage in fact more help in justifying breton cost reduction 3% is useless..

Players have suggested lot of good alternatives to improve passive and are in thread discussion.

Its not 3% from the 4000 magicka cost... its calculated differently and ends up being about 2% or so out of the full cost. Pathetic as far as 3rd tier racials go.

I think our reduction is taken out before that diminishing return on the CP and jewelry.

Silver_Strider

I still don't believe Breton should do more damage than Dunmer or Altmer but they really do need to have higher sustain than either of them to make it fair.

All it would take is to combine the cost reduction passive with Spell resistance (every other race with a resist stat gets a secondary effect on their resist, why is Breton different in this regard?) and change Magicka Mastery to something that helps with sustain. Make it a proc to return magic, similar to Adrenaline Rush, a proc to negate magic cost, like Magnus, or a high regen like 5/10/15% and the race would be totally fine.

Van_0S

Op, Bretons should have spell negation by x% not damage buff.

Reykice

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I still don't believe Breton should do more damage than Dunmer or Altmer but they really do need to have higher sustain than either of them to make it fair.

All it would take is to combine the cost reduction passive with Spell resistance (every other race with a resist stat gets a secondary effect on their resist, why is Breton different in this regard?) and change Magicka Mastery to something that helps with sustain. Make it a proc to return magic, similar to Adrenaline Rush, a proc to negate magic cost, like Magnus, or a high regen like 5/10/15% and the race would be totally fine.

Pretty much... any of that would be fine. At this point anything works...

Memnock

People suggested a 5% magic damage bonus for the Bretons. I would love to see this for this race , since apparently high and dark elves heavily lean towards elemental damage , it would be nice if the 3rd magicka race would be well... magicka oriented.

This could replace the light armor experience gain thing , i mean really , this kind of passive is pointless half way through the leveling process.

Junkogen

If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.

Minalan

Junkogen wrote: »

If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.

Exactly. Up the sustain with 6% cost reduction. Make it the sustain race:

People complaining for more damage can always drop some sustain and stack more spell damage.

Destruent

Junkogen wrote: »

If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.

ehm....No?

DKs have mostly flame damage -->7% Buff (Dunmer, 9% max magicka)
Sorcs ~50% Elemental damage class skills --> buffed by 4% (Altmer + 10% magicka) (their PvE-rotation also includes wall of elements and staff attacks + meteor so it's abou 80% elemental damage)
NB: only magic damage as class skills (no buff, PvE-Rotation has ~40% flame damage which is buffed by 7%, dunmer)
Temp: only magic damage (exception: sun fire and morphs), gets also no buff and has ~30...40% elemental damage in pve-rotation (would also go dunmer)

A ~4% buff to magic damage wouldn't really change the dps but would make another race viable for magicka dps.

Really, you are complaining about 2 classes going breton but are ok with 3 classes going dunmer...sounds a bit strange for me