Please nerf the Malubeth set

Caleum · July 2016

It should not be mandatory for every tank and healer to be using this 2 piece armor set making you 3x (at least) harder to kill. The heal buff should grant either major or minor mending, not a separate 30% increase to your healing and the heal should be reduced by approx 50%.

I am sure I will receive a lot of backlash from those who are dependent on this set, but when I was watching a player get attacked earlier, and literally said player stood still, and his health would just keep healing back up the second he took damage.

IxSTALKERxI · July 2016

The set gives healing received which is the vitality buff not the mending buff. Big difference between healing recieved and healing done.

Just wanted to point that out because from seeing a lot of malubeth threads I think some people are getting mixed up.

JubJub · July 2016

Nerf jesus beam too while you're at it.

xylena · July 2016

buff dragon blood

Iyas · July 2016

Nerf sorc! Ohh wait. Nevermind

PeggymoeXD · July 2016

I second @xylena

Kas · July 2016

malubeth always was a strong set. with the meta shifting towards heavy armor on so many builds, it's gotten even stronger. I really think it could use a nerf. even the damage isn't terrible right now. especially in comparison to other sets, malutbeth is extremely strong and would still be a viable pick with the 30% buff gone completely.

KisoValley · July 2016

In EU people were using it already before they *** it up. It's always been strong, people just didn't realise how strong until it was completely broken.

_Chaos · July 2016

xylena wrote: »

buff dragon blood

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I second @xylena

second seconded

Ishammael · July 2016

_Chaos wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

buff dragon blood

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I second @xylena

second seconded

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Ghostbane · July 2016

Still not used this yet on my tank. Is it still broken then?

Ishammael · July 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

Still not used this yet on my tank. Is it still broken then?

Pretty much.

There are times when it works like the tooltip describes... and times when the heals are just whack. I don't think anyone has figured out the core issue yet.

Ryuho · July 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Still not used this yet on my tank. Is it still broken then?

Pretty much.

There are times when it works like the tooltip describes... and times when the heals are just whack. I don't think anyone has figured out the core issue yet.

Yes exactly this, sometimes healing is insane and sometimes it's just small % to healing. Definitly this set is not working properly. Also, like 80% of my opponents I met last days were using this set... So *** lame.

sluice · July 2016

From the latest patch note :

Malubeth: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set was double-dipping in the Critical Strike modifier.

Ryuho · July 2016

sluice wrote: »

From the latest patch note :

Malubeth: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set was double-dipping in the Critical Strike modifier.

prolly malubeth user..

sluice · July 2016

Ryuho wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

From the latest patch note :

Malubeth: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set was double-dipping in the Critical Strike modifier.

prolly malubeth user..

Zheg · July 2016

Used to use this on my trollplar. Now theres tons of trollplars and tons of people using this. Get off my lawn.

sluice · July 2016

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.

I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?

I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

Aenlir · July 2016

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.

I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?

I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

It's not only OP, it's broken...
Can't defend it.

Qbiken · July 2016

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.

I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?

I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

People tend to think that they can use the same tactic against an enemy that kills them time after time.....and then complain that it´s broken ( but in reality it´s often because their tactic doesn´t work against that perticular build). And why nerf it? It´s not the set itself that it´s broken, it´s just really good for a templar.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

Yes please .

sluice · July 2016

Aenlir wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.

I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?

I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

It's not only OP, it's broken...
Can't defend it.

Why/How is it broken?
Is it still double-dipping in the Critical Strike modifier?
That was fixed in the last patch.

By all means, bring proof to the table and send it to ZOS, otherwise, I doubt you will even get them to look at this (again).

Too strong and broken are two different things...

vortexman11 · July 2016

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters, its just a simple balance thing..the more powerful a set or skill is the more easier it should be to counter, we see this in engine guardian where it only takes a simple bash.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

Ishammael · July 2016

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters. Whenever I see people fighting a tank wearing it I tell them to purge the beam or walk out of range as it seems that alot of people are now completely relying on that sets heal to keep them alive.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

This is a good idea. 8m?

sluice · July 2016

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters. Whenever I see people fighting a tank wearing it I tell them to purge the beam or walk out of range as it seems that alot of people are now completely relying on that sets heal to keep them alive.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

That is something that could make sense : 7 or 8 meters instead of 10 meters.
(Then again if most people are not breaking the beam already... what would it really change

)

I also agree that people should still be punished for not countering the set, just like for not countering a bunch of other things:

-Standing right beside a Lich Crystal from the Nerien'eth set
-Not Interrupting an Engine Guardian proc or a casting ability (Weazus Beam?)
-Letting your opponent proc Molag Kena at will
-Running through mines over and over...
-Not blocking powerful attacks (such as Meteor)
-Standing in front of a upcoming Wrecking Blow
-Not being prepared to fight cloaking nightblades
-Not managing your ressources well
-etc.

vortexman11 · July 2016

sluice wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters. Whenever I see people fighting a tank wearing it I tell them to purge the beam or walk out of range as it seems that alot of people are now completely relying on that sets heal to keep them alive.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

That is something that could make sens : 7 or 8 meters instead of 10 meters.
(Then again if most people are not breaking the beam already... what would it really change )

At that point it becomes the fault of the players for not trying to move away or purge it. This situation reminds me of pre 1.6 constantly yelling not to stack on the sap tank... It would need testing but I think 7-8 would still be too far. Im thinking in the 5-6 meter range.

FENGRUSH · July 2016

vortexman11 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters. Whenever I see people fighting a tank wearing it I tell them to purge the beam or walk out of range as it seems that alot of people are now completely relying on that sets heal to keep them alive.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

That is something that could make sens : 7 or 8 meters instead of 10 meters.
(Then again if most people are not breaking the beam already... what would it really change )

At that point it becomes the fault of the players for not trying to move away or purge it. This situation reminds me of pre 1.6 constantly yelling not to stack on the sap tank... It would need testing but I think 7-8 would still be too far. Im thinking in the 5-6 meter range.

Wasnt this the solution people told players about when they were chaining bats endlessly in crowds?! The people piled on the DKs... and they perished..

vortexman11 · July 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters. Whenever I see people fighting a tank wearing it I tell them to purge the beam or walk out of range as it seems that alot of people are now completely relying on that sets heal to keep them alive.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

That is something that could make sens : 7 or 8 meters instead of 10 meters.
(Then again if most people are not breaking the beam already... what would it really change )

At that point it becomes the fault of the players for not trying to move away or purge it. This situation reminds me of pre 1.6 constantly yelling not to stack on the sap tank... It would need testing but I think 7-8 would still be too far. Im thinking in the 5-6 meter range.

Wasnt this the solution people told players about when they were chaining bats endlessly in crowds?! The people piled on the DKs... and they perished..

xD I was trying not to bring that up which is why I mentioned sap tanks instead. If I relate a mechanic to old mDK I'd never hear the end of it

Lord_Hev · July 2016

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters, its just a simple balance thing..the more powerful a set or skill is the more easier it should be to counter, we see this in engine guardian where it only takes a simple bash.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

This would be the logical thing to do.

But knowing ZOS they will double nerf it, then buff the damage of Stam builds just a little more in case all the stam try-hards can't burst people down fast enough as-is.

ESO community logic: Tanking and surviving against multiple people is a sin, but bursting people down in 3 - 4 hits and then having mobility is balanced. Mmmkay.

danno8 · July 2016

sluice wrote: »

Aenlir wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.

I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?

I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

It's not only OP, it's broken...
Can't defend it.

Why/How is it broken?
Is it still double-dipping in the Critical Strike modifier?
That was fixed in the last patch.

By all means, bring proof to the table and send it to ZOS, otherwise, I doubt you will even get them to look at this (again).

Too strong and broken are two different things...

There is proof in one of the other threads if you go look.

The damage is 200-500 per tick, but the healing is 3000-5000 per tick (since the double dip crit fix it is more like 2000-3500).

This represents a healing increase of around 500% which is impossible to get with any amount of buffs/crits in the game.

The set is broken, not OP. Because OP would mean it is doing what the tooltip says, but it is too strong. Broken means it is doing something other than what the tooltip says.

edit: Not all the time though. Sometimes the heal is correct at around 700-800 per tick. But then for no reason it shoots up to the 3000 mark.

CyrusArya · July 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

ESO community logic: Tanking and surviving against multiple people is a sin, but bursting people down in 3 - 4 hits and then having mobility is balanced. Mmmkay.

I don't think anyone's opposed to being able to tank and survive against multiple people, just how easy malubeth makes it to do so and how much more compartively powerful it is than any other two piece set. To follow your logic, you can use many many set ups to achieve high burst builds, I can probably list 5-6 off the top of my head. But if you wanna make a Tanky build, there is absolutely no reason not to run Malu regardless of class or spec. It's over centralizing, and the proof is in the pudding.