Please nerf the Malubeth set

SleepyTroll

YES please give this major vitality... I would love this "nerf" lol
People crying for nerf of maluberh including "good" players makes me laugh. Learn some alchemy.

Ghost-Shot

FENGRUSH wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters. Whenever I see people fighting a tank wearing it I tell them to purge the beam or walk out of range as it seems that alot of people are now completely relying on that sets heal to keep them alive.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

That is something that could make sens : 7 or 8 meters instead of 10 meters.
(Then again if most people are not breaking the beam already... what would it really change )

At that point it becomes the fault of the players for not trying to move away or purge it. This situation reminds me of pre 1.6 constantly yelling not to stack on the sap tank... It would need testing but I think 7-8 would still be too far. Im thinking in the 5-6 meter range.

Wasnt this the solution people told players about when they were chaining bats endlessly in crowds?! The people piled on the DKs... and they perished..

Oh the days when people just fed us ults...

WreckfulAbandon

I thought the whole point of the Major/Minor buff system was to prevent excessive stacking. Well here we have 2 sets that do just that, that were introduced after the standardization.

Fasalas and Maulbeth both bypass systems ZOS put in place in the interest of balance, both should be modified to give major mending/defile.

zuto40

This is now a buff nightblades thread

SleepyTroll

@WreckfulAbandon

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

I thought the whole point of the Major/Minor buff system was to prevent excessive stacking. Well here we have 2 sets that do just that, that were introduced after the standardization.

Fasalas and Maulbeth both bypass systems ZOS put in place in the interest of balance, both should be modified to give major mending/defile.

Please do tell what maluberh stacks with??? 1 skill in the entire game lol And one other thing(but you don't deserve to know) but all the whiners like you want to stay ignorant and not learn.

P.S. No body even knows if this set stacks with anything at all because it hasn't been tested, but if it does, it's one skill period end of discussion. Actually I'll test it later and let you all know.

WreckfulAbandon

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@WreckfulAbandon

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

I thought the whole point of the Major/Minor buff system was to prevent excessive stacking. Well here we have 2 sets that do just that, that were introduced after the standardization.

Fasalas and Maulbeth both bypass systems ZOS put in place in the interest of balance, both should be modified to give major mending/defile.

Please do tell what maluberh stacks with??? 1 skill in the entire game lol And one other thing(but you don't deserve to know) but all the whiners like you want to stay ignorant and not learn.

P.S. No body even knows if this set stacks with anything at all because it hasn't been tested, but if it does, it's one skill period end of discussion. Actually I'll test it later and let you all know.

Read the tooltip and let me know when it says "Major Mending."

Also random 6k ticks don't cause you to believe something is off with this set? Thats an exponential increase.

zuto40

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.


I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?


I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

Zuto's guide to counter blazeplars

Step 1: Stop swarming him

Step 2: Any snare

Step 3: Continue to snare and move away while watching said blazeplar flail around

Step 4: laugh as you slaughter the now useless blazeplar

Ghost-Shot

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@WreckfulAbandon

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

I thought the whole point of the Major/Minor buff system was to prevent excessive stacking. Well here we have 2 sets that do just that, that were introduced after the standardization.

Fasalas and Maulbeth both bypass systems ZOS put in place in the interest of balance, both should be modified to give major mending/defile.

Please do tell what maluberh stacks with??? 1 skill in the entire game lol And one other thing(but you don't deserve to know) but all the whiners like you want to stay ignorant and not learn.

P.S. No body even knows if this set stacks with anything at all because it hasn't been tested, but if it does, it's one skill period end of discussion. Actually I'll test it later and let you all know.

Malubeth is not a Major/Minor buff so it stacks with everything that gives +healing done or +healing received, so next time before you come and tell everyone they are just whiners maybe you should L2P so you don't make your self look silly again.

P.S. Everyone knows what it stacks with because it has been tested, it's more than one skill period end of discussion.

SleepyTroll

@Ghost-Shot
@WreckfulAbandon

OK so since you two don't understand. Maulbeth the equivalent of major vitality (increase healing recived) one skill in the entire game gives this it's the NB south tether ultimate. 4 seconds major vitality. 1 other thing in the game other then a skill gives this. Now go back and test if maluberh and the MAJOR VITALITY stack if they do, well then yea that should fixed... if they don't well then why should major mending (increasing healing done) and major vitality (increase healing received) not stack?

Every other major and minor buff has counter parts and thay stack. I'm sorry but you don't know everything about the game. Like you think you do. ZOS is heavy on the nerfs don't you think that if this set was as OP as you people whine about then it would get nerfed like every other *** thing in the game?

P.S. I really hate how ZOS could settle these arguments with one post yet they stay silent.

Ghost-Shot

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@Ghost-Shot
@WreckfulAbandon

OK so since you two don't understand. Maulbeth the equivalent of major vitality (increase healing recived) one skill in the entire game gives this it's the NB south tether ultimate. 4 seconds major vitality. 1 other thing in the game other then a skill gives this. Now go back and test if maluberh and the MAJOR VITALITY stack if they do, well then yea that should fixed... if they don't well then why should major mending (increasing healing done) and major vitality (increase healing received) not stack?

Every other major and minor buff has counter parts and thay stack. I'm sorry but you don't know everything about the game. Like you think you do. ZOS is heavy on the nerfs don't you think that if this set was as OP as you people whine about then it would get nerfed like every other *** thing in the game?

P.S. I really hate how ZOS could settle these arguments with one post yet they stay silent.

They do stack, and you can also get major vitality through potions.

SleepyTroll

@Ghost-Shot well then that's the only thing that needs to be nerfed about maluberh. Give it major vatali ty so it won't stack lol as far as it stack with major mending well that just goes along with the rest of the buffs now doesn't it.

Defilted

I vote for anything that makes Nightblades cry...lol

PainfulFAFA

All im gonna say is that the heal tick ignores battle spirit and 30% heal buff being stackable AND a greater value than Mending/Vitality just makes it stupid op/broken.

loki547

zuto40 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.


I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?


I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

Zuto's guide to counter blazeplars

Step 1: Stop swarming him

Step 2: Any snare

Step 3: Continue to snare and move away while watching said blazeplar flail around

Step 4: laugh as you slaughter the now useless blazeplar

Tamerlin's Trollplar guide to counter people trying to counter trollplars

Step 1: Have the name Tamerlin

Step 2: No one in Cyro will ever ever not attack you.

Step 3: Laugh at everyone.

KenaPKK

vortexman11 wrote: »

I think a more fair nerf/change would simply be to decrease the range on the beam, this will allow it to still be a powerful set but much easier to avoid or counter. Im talking about a drastic change down from what it is now to 2 or 3 meters, its just a simple balance thing..the more powerful a set or skill is the more easier it should be to counter, we see this in engine guardian where it only takes a simple bash.

Simply put I think people should be punished for not properly countering the set by making it take longer to kill their target, but at the same time, I think the set should be easier to counter.

Isn't melee range like 5m? A single roll dodge would break the beam if it's ~8m or less with no way for the Malubeth wearer to counterplay it by trying to stick to the other guy. Heck, getting feared or smacked by a wrecking blow would break it. I think the beam could stand to be shorter than it is now, but not by much.

I'd like to see these alleged bugs with the set fixed or the set made to give Major Mending before other nerfs are introduced, though.

Paraflex

It's to strong that's for sure stacks with everything

Forestd16b14_ESO

Look the problem with Malubeth isn't that it is healing to much it that it allows players to easily negate battle spirit. When Malubeth procs it gives you 30% boost to healing received battle spirit reduces healing by 50% and well 50-30=20. Then depending on the player if they are a DK when they activate a dragon skill they receive 12% more healing during the duration and paired up with coagulating blood giving 8% more healing that is 20% and well 20-20 is 0 and just like that battle spirit is negate allowing the player to receive full healing from all sources. Now if it isn't a DK well that 20% can easily be found in CP.

Now with this so called "heavy armor" shift that players are saying (just cause you wear HA doesn't make you a tank nor a HA user) HA passive increases healing received by another 8% so DKs can easily make that 28% and every one else is 8% and then factor in major vitality and sets and of course perma-blocking (yay tanks nerfs in near future cause wanna be immortals are giving real tanks bad names again) it basically allows players to live forever.

Solution ? Just tone down or remove the healing received bonus.

KenaPKK

loki547 wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.


I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?


I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

Zuto's guide to counter blazeplars

Step 1: Stop swarming him

Step 2: Any snare

Step 3: Continue to snare and move away while watching said blazeplar flail around

Step 4: laugh as you slaughter the now useless blazeplar

Tamerlin's Trollplar guide to counter people trying to counter trollplars

Step 1: Have the name Tamerlin

Step 2: No one in Cyro will ever ever not attack you.

Step 3: Laugh at everyone.

LOL the secret revealed! So true.

loki547

KenaPKK wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.


I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?


I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

Zuto's guide to counter blazeplars

Step 1: Stop swarming him

Step 2: Any snare

Step 3: Continue to snare and move away while watching said blazeplar flail around

Step 4: laugh as you slaughter the now useless blazeplar

Tamerlin's Trollplar guide to counter people trying to counter trollplars

Step 1: Have the name Tamerlin

Step 2: No one in Cyro will ever ever not attack you.

Step 3: Laugh at everyone.

LOL the secret revealed! So true.

Genius isn't it?

Lokey0024

What's so bad about your10k heal going to 16k heal? Or how about the 10k proc heal that just happens when they are cced. Working as intended.

IxSTALKERxI

loki547 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.


I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?


I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

Zuto's guide to counter blazeplars

Step 1: Stop swarming him

Step 2: Any snare

Step 3: Continue to snare and move away while watching said blazeplar flail around

Step 4: laugh as you slaughter the now useless blazeplar

Tamerlin's Trollplar guide to counter people trying to counter trollplars

Step 1: Have the name Tamerlin

Step 2: No one in Cyro will ever ever not attack you.

Step 3: Laugh at everyone.

LOL the secret revealed! So true.

Genius isn't it?

Also works with the name Nigel the Great.

Gilliamtherogue

Blessed; 25% increased healing done
Quick Recovery; 25% increased healing taken
Major Mending; 30% increased healing done
Minor Mending; 8% increased healing done
Major Vitality; 30% increased healing taken
Minor Vitality; 8% increased healing taken

All unique, all stack. If two abilities both give the same Major or Minor buff, it refreshes instead of stacking.
On top of this absurd amount of increased healing options, Malubeth gives an additional 30% increased healing taken for all sources, and stacks with each of the listed buffs.

And that's not including special bonuses from racials, class passives, skill lines, or sets.

KenaPKK

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Blessed; 25% increased healing done
Quick Recovery; 25% increased healing taken
Major Mending; 30% increased healing done
Minor Mending; 8% increased healing done
Major Vitality; 30% increased healing taken
Minor Vitality; 8% increased healing taken

All unique, all stack. If two abilities both give the same Major or Minor buff, it refreshes instead of stacking.
On top of this absurd amount of increased healing options, Malubeth gives an additional 30% increased healing taken for all sources, and stacks with each of the listed buffs.

And that's not including special bonuses from racials, class passives, skill lines, or sets.

Is quick recovery 25% too? I thought it was lower. Haven't had a reason to spec that high into it before. It has some strong diminishing returns at lower points too. I would have thought it was 18% or something.

Regardless, speccing that many cp into it and blessed will sacrifice a ton of damage and mitigation. Self-heals are great, but they only go so far if you don't deal damage and are that susceptible to burst.

Mending, vitality, and Malubeth still shouldn't stack imo.

Gilliamtherogue

KenaPKK wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Blessed; 25% increased healing done
Quick Recovery; 25% increased healing taken
Major Mending; 30% increased healing done
Minor Mending; 8% increased healing done
Major Vitality; 30% increased healing taken
Minor Vitality; 8% increased healing taken

All unique, all stack. If two abilities both give the same Major or Minor buff, it refreshes instead of stacking.
On top of this absurd amount of increased healing options, Malubeth gives an additional 30% increased healing taken for all sources, and stacks with each of the listed buffs.

And that's not including special bonuses from racials, class passives, skill lines, or sets.

Is quick recovery 25% too? I thought it was lower. Haven't had a reason to spec that high into it before. It has some strong diminishing returns at lower points too. I would have thought it was 18% or something.

Regardless, speccing that many cp into it and blessed will sacrifice a ton of damage and mitigation. Self-heals are great, but they only go so far if you don't deal damage and are that susceptible to burst.

Mending, vitality, and Malubeth still shouldn't stack imo.

Old data, it is currently 16% on live.

I wasn't saying that was an optimal setup, I was simply stating that there are a large amount of healing increased effects in the game that all stack with one another to make silly combinations for toxic PvP game play.

Publius_Scipio

*Scipio in the shower singing and soaping himself up*



*Scipio rinses the soap off and turns the knobs shutting the water off*
*He steps out of the shower and wraps a white towel around his waist*
*He walks out into the locker room whistling*
*Continuing to whistle he goes to his locker, grabs deodorant and applies it to his under arms*
*From the corner of his eye he see a Malubeth helmet sitting on the stool in front of the next locker*
*Still whistling Scipio looks around to make sure no one else is around*
*Scipio picks up the Malubeth helmet, turns it over, AND SPITS INSIDE IT*
*Scipio places the helmet back down where it was found*
*Scipio begins whistling again*

*Scipio now dressed goes to exit the locker room*
*Scipio walks by KROTHA's locker and something catches his eye stopping him in his tracks......*
*Scipio sees sticking out from under Krotha's jeans A COPY OF THE FAMOUS TAMRIELIC PORNO TWO KHAJIIT ONE ARGONIAN*

sick [snip]............

Rec

_Chaos wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

buff dragon blood

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I second @xylena

second seconded

Do it zos

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

I took my templar healer tank out for a tryout of this set today. Normally I healtank pledges on that char using the engine guardian set.

Well it was great fun, over several hours I only died twice and both times the enemy had to have 12+ people hitting on me before I died.

On my stamblade archer I love targets that use the set as it offers no defense what so ever against archery, yet so many beautiful kills are ruined by noobs that charge in on a malubeth user and thus heals him back to full.

Overall this set is an example of learn to see what happens and react on it or you will be run over.

olsborg

Malubeth = Broken = malubeth is the new meta.

GreenSoup2HoT

danno8 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Aenlir wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.


I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?


I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

It's not only OP, it's broken...
Can't defend it.

Why/How is it broken?
Is it still double-dipping in the Critical Strike modifier?
That was fixed in the last patch.

By all means, bring proof to the table and send it to ZOS, otherwise, I doubt you will even get them to look at this (again).

Too strong and broken are two different things...

There is proof in one of the other threads if you go look.

The damage is 200-500 per tick, but the healing is 3000-5000 per tick (since the double dip crit fix it is more like 2000-3500).

This represents a healing increase of around 500% which is impossible to get with any amount of buffs/crits in the game.

The set is broken, not OP. Because OP would mean it is doing what the tooltip says, but it is too strong. Broken means it is doing something other than what the tooltip says.

edit: Not all the time though. Sometimes the heal is correct at around 700-800 per tick. But then for no reason it shoots up to the 3000 mark.

Is this true? I knew the set was off but this is pretty insane. No wonder everyone on console is using this set... it is a pain fighting anyone with this set..

olsborg

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Aenlir wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.


I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?


I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

It's not only OP, it's broken...
Can't defend it.

Why/How is it broken?
Is it still double-dipping in the Critical Strike modifier?
That was fixed in the last patch.

By all means, bring proof to the table and send it to ZOS, otherwise, I doubt you will even get them to look at this (again).

Too strong and broken are two different things...

There is proof in one of the other threads if you go look.

The damage is 200-500 per tick, but the healing is 3000-5000 per tick (since the double dip crit fix it is more like 2000-3500).

This represents a healing increase of around 500% which is impossible to get with any amount of buffs/crits in the game.

The set is broken, not OP. Because OP would mean it is doing what the tooltip says, but it is too strong. Broken means it is doing something other than what the tooltip says.

edit: Not all the time though. Sometimes the heal is correct at around 700-800 per tick. But then for no reason it shoots up to the 3000 mark.

Is this true? I knew the set was off but this is pretty insane. No wonder everyone in console ia using this set... it is a pain fighting anyone with this set..

The majority of players on pc is also using malubeth (ftw). ffs:(