UPDATE: Zenimax official statment of gap closers being an exploit in here

Minnesinger · July 2016

The moral in this game is as low as ever. It is super hard to get an enjoyable gaming experience due to the million stupibly broken things. I don´t assume this will get fixed anytime soon.

yodased · July 2016

Mortehl wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Cyrodiil in general has been a constant clutter of pointless zerg fests.

Okay, now comments like this kind of bug me. This isn't a one v one game, or even a small group game. There's a reason why the group size is 24. It's because it was designed for large groups.... And as for Zergs, I happen to pvp with a guild that puts together 24 man teams I'd stack up against any 100 man Zerg any day of the week, twice on weekends. And we do go up against them and we take a huge crap on them too.

Large scale combat is not pointless, not in the slightest. It's highly challenging, requires excellent coordination, strong leadership, and people who want to win and win big.

I agree, large scale battles that take hours and hours to win or lose makes this game a singular experience which is amazing.

Circumventing those battles by jumping into keeps is ***

ZOS_DaryaK · July 2016

We've moved this discussion to the Alliance War forum because this topic is relevant to PvP. I apologize for the delayed post explaining why this was moved. We'll provide some clarification about this topic shortly.

yodased · July 2016

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've moved this discussion to the Alliance War forum because this topic is relevant to PvP. I apologize for the delayed post explaining why this was moved. We'll provide some clarification about this topic shortly.

If it comes from brian wheeler, I may actually poop myself and have to go home early today.

On topic: Stop jumping into keeps, its baloney

Edited to remove profanity

Pomaikai · July 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Wow is all I have to say. When AD's gankblade emperor did this exact same thing to DC just two days ago, somehow it didn't warrant a four page thread. I was there, I was on that wall and we held back at least 50 AD potatoes with ultimates and siege - until she jumped up and killed all of us.

We lost that keep, respawned, and got over it.

It's only when they get a taste of their own nasty medicine that the whining begins. And then people wonder why we ALL hate on AD so much.

I'm in AD, and I would have been all over that thread like white on rice had it been posted. I don't give a damn about factions. I give a damn about cheaters and exploiters. Ban them all, regardless of fraction!

yodased · July 2016

Pomaikai wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Wow is all I have to say. When AD's gankblade emperor did this exact same thing to DC just two days ago, somehow it didn't warrant a four page thread. I was there, I was on that wall and we held back at least 50 AD potatoes with ultimates and siege - until she jumped up and killed all of us.

We lost that keep, respawned, and got over it.

It's only when they get a taste of their own nasty medicine that the whining begins. And then people wonder why we ALL hate on AD so much.

I'm in AD, and I would have been all over that thread like white on rice had it been posted. I don't give a damn about factions. I give a damn about cheaters and exploiters. Ban them all, regardless of fraction!

You give me a difficult choice. Agree or awesome.

This I do not like you for.

on topic: You know it's baloney. Stop it.

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rfennell_ESO · July 2016

Outer_Rim wrote: »

Yep Failgrush started calling it "grappling hooks" i don't see a difference between this and using CE at all, just because it's a broken mechanic doesn't mean it's ok to abuse it.

Failgrush always been shady.

The whole collection of chest puffing DC "toughguys" make being shady a playstyle choice.

Fact is that most of the DC faction is embarrassed by these guys.

FENGRUSH · July 2016

Outer_Rim wrote: »

Yep Failgrush started calling it "grappling hooks" i don't see a difference between this and using CE at all, just because it's a broken mechanic doesn't mean it's ok to abuse it.

You dont see a difference? You might see a difference when youre hit by 35 meteors in a row per person in 15 seconds.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

Yep Failgrush started calling it "grappling hooks" i don't see a difference between this and using CE at all, just because it's a broken mechanic doesn't mean it's ok to abuse it.

Failgrush always been shady.

The whole collection of chest puffing DC "toughguys" make being shady a playstyle choice.

Fact is that most of the DC faction is embarrassed by these guys.

Grappling hooks are currently a confirmed feature in Cyro.

Also, trying to brand FENGRUSH as anything but the proud leader of the covenant is delusional.

leeux · July 2016

I'm no one in PvP but I have been playing in and out since game's first year. But if I may, I'd want to add my opinion on jumping to keep walls.

Never done it myself (I play as a healer normally) but I think is fun (talking as defender here) because it keeps you on your toes and makes defending keeps more dynamic.

What ZOS should have done, is to add a kill field (much like they did to scroll temples) INSIDE the keep that gets deactivated when the keep is like at 20% health, maybe? And that when active insta-kills any enemy that jumps to wall and tries to land inside the keep ground. Same-wise for the inners.

That way, people who jump to walls can be useful as spearhead against defender's positions, but can't take keeps by themselves if there are no defenders.

Also, change NPC positions so they stand away from the edges please, at least until they are aggroed, and give them knockbacks abilities too

yodased · July 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

Yep Failgrush started calling it "grappling hooks" i don't see a difference between this and using CE at all, just because it's a broken mechanic doesn't mean it's ok to abuse it.

You dont see a difference? You might see a difference when youre hit by 35 meteors in a row per person in 15 seconds.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

Yep Failgrush started calling it "grappling hooks" i don't see a difference between this and using CE at all, just because it's a broken mechanic doesn't mean it's ok to abuse it.

Failgrush always been shady.

The whole collection of chest puffing DC "toughguys" make being shady a playstyle choice.

Fact is that most of the DC faction is embarrassed by these guys.

Grappling hooks are currently a confirmed feature in Cyro.

Also, trying to brand FENGRUSH as anything but the proud leader of the covenant is delusional.

I wasn't mentioning anyone's name for a reason, if you are using gap closer to get into keeps you have lost my respect

Not that that matters of course, but I like to think leaders lead by example and not showing the wrong thing to do.

yodased · July 2016

Also please don't degrade this into who cheats and who doesnt. That'd not the point

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

When someone I know exploits up a wall and tries to get me to follow I feel like Chevy Chase .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3qXM0nZq0RA

Please tell Us there's a fix coming @ZOS_DaryaK

CyrusArya · July 2016

So long as this ridiculous mechanic is around, all you nancy boys have 2 options:

1.) Dont stand at spots where you can be gap closed upon.

2.) Have the stones to kill or otherwise expel whomever you so graciously invite in to your keep.

And well, if people are colluding cross faction, you'll just have to git gud and work together as a faction to combat these gross violations of the Geneva convention.

I will tell you one thing though. If I were to ever gap close into a keep, it's cus the cowards we fight would rather sit up top, siege, and spam bow light attacks rather than come down and put up a fight. Make no mistake though. The only party at fault here is Zenimax for allowing such behavior to even be possible. You can't expect people to police themselves when it comes to mechanics so easy to exploit that it can be done accidentally even.

Then again, I appreciate that maybe people in this thread have different perspectives. Personally, I've never wiped to rapscallions jumping into keeps, so excuse me for regarding it as simply harmless trolling.

yodased · July 2016

I don't expect anyone to police themselves.

I expect the community to put these people on blast that would increase the toxic atmosphere of Cyordiil in general.

At least you are known to those of us who would want a decent pvp experience.

Us nanvcy-boys could do a lot with out the try-hards "harmlessly trolling' by breaking rules.

How many of you use macros? All of you. How many of you use bugged sets/potions? All of you. How many of you gap close into keeps? All of you.

It's all the same thing, if you cheat this way, you are going to cheat in other ways that you deem "ok"

ZOS_DaryaK · July 2016

We've removed posts referring to people who have not participated in this conversation in addition to posts that were not contributing to the discussion.

Please keep your post civil and meaningful.

Skyy · July 2016

So where's the clarification?

yodased · July 2016

Skyy wrote: »

So where's the clarification?

That's a good question, lol.

I like that there are people defending the cheating though, it gives balance to the discussion and allows us to see where the line is divided among us.

zyk · July 2016

It is a backwater game played by backwater players. Trashy players accumulate in games like ESO because of its lax enforcement and poor response time to address issues.

As bad as issues like server performance may be in ESO, the Cletus Spuckler "git gud" lolbots are as big an issue. This is how certain populist cults of personality gain traction here.

Satiar · July 2016

CyrusArya wrote: »

So long as this ridiculous mechanic is around, all you nancy boys have 2 options:

1.) Dont stand at spots where you can be gap closed upon.

2.) Have the stones to kill or otherwise expel whomever you so graciously invite in to your keep.

And well, if people are colluding cross faction, you'll just have to git gud and work together as a faction to combat these gross violations of the Geneva convention.

I will tell you one thing though. If I were to ever gap close into a keep, it's cus the cowards we fight would rather sit up top, siege, and spam bow light attacks rather than come down and put up a fight. Make no mistake though. The only party at fault here is Zenimax for allowing such behavior to even be possible. You can't expect people to police themselves when it comes to mechanics so easy to exploit that it can be done accidentally even.

Then again, I appreciate that maybe people in this thread have different perspectives. Personally, I've never wiped to rapscallions jumping into keeps, so excuse me for regarding it as simply harmless trolling.

There is a difference between trolling and griefing. Good players can deal with a few people jumping over a wall. But an Emp and his buddy going after already demoralized players by exploiting into their keeps? That's griefing. It's also a pretty sad thing to do. In times past there would be a guild or group online to stamp it out, now often times there isn't.

I don't understand the mindset of people who want to stomp people's skulls in when they're already down, and I really don't want to.

yodased · July 2016

zyk wrote: »

It is a backwater game played by backwater players. Trashy players accumulate in games like ESO because of its lax enforcement and poor response time to address issues.

As bad as issues like server performance may be in ESO, the Cletus Spuckler "git gud" lolbots are as big an issue. This is how certain populist cults of personality gain traction here.

gitgud lolbot is hilarious.

Grao · July 2016

leeux wrote: »

I'm no one in PvP but I have been playing in and out since game's first year. But if I may, I'd want to add my opinion on jumping to keep walls.

Never done it myself (I play as a healer normally) but I think is fun (talking as defender here) because it keeps you on your toes and makes defending keeps more dynamic.

What ZOS should have done, is to add a kill field (much like they did to scroll temples) INSIDE the keep that gets deactivated when the keep is like at 20% health, maybe? And that when active insta-kills any enemy that jumps to wall and tries to land inside the keep ground. Same-wise for the inners.

That way, people who jump to walls can be useful as spearhead against defender's positions, but can't take keeps by themselves if there are no defenders.

Also, change NPC positions so they stand away from the edges please, at least until they are aggroed, and give them knockbacks abilities too

I agree with you that the idea of jumping the wall is fun and it is even realistic, as @FENGRUSH mentioned, grappling hooks are a thing, even if not in the game at the moment. The problem is, while Zenimax maintains this stupid stance that using gap closers unintentional iterations is cheating, part of the community won't use it and they will be angry when some one does use it. They have to either solve the problem or allow people to use it... Or punish those using it.

yodased · July 2016

Grao wrote: »

leeux wrote: »

I'm no one in PvP but I have been playing in and out since game's first year. But if I may, I'd want to add my opinion on jumping to keep walls.

Never done it myself (I play as a healer normally) but I think is fun (talking as defender here) because it keeps you on your toes and makes defending keeps more dynamic.

What ZOS should have done, is to add a kill field (much like they did to scroll temples) INSIDE the keep that gets deactivated when the keep is like at 20% health, maybe? And that when active insta-kills any enemy that jumps to wall and tries to land inside the keep ground. Same-wise for the inners.

That way, people who jump to walls can be useful as spearhead against defender's positions, but can't take keeps by themselves if there are no defenders.

Also, change NPC positions so they stand away from the edges please, at least until they are aggroed, and give them knockbacks abilities too

I agree with you that the idea of jumping the wall is fun and it is even realistic, as @FENGRUSH mentioned, grappling hooks are a thing, even if not in the game at the moment. The problem is, while Zenimax maintains this stupid stance that using gap closers unintentional iterations is cheating, part of the community won't use it and they will be angry when some one does use it. They have to either solve the problem or allow people to use it... Or punish those using it.

It's literally this simple.

They say it is against the rules pure and simple.

What you think SHOULD be intended doesn't matter. They clear as a bell said this is exploiting.

Rules -> don't break them.

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Joy_Division · July 2016

Azurethe wrote: »

But I mean, its like, I look at the ground and there are like 30-40 AD dead, and I think like, this is pretty sad

Then I look at my AP per hour and it shows 160K and then I feel better about myself

Its wrong ofc, and its our issue, but its also ZOS' for breaking something so important to the game's structure

What's sad is not the 30 dead AD.

It's not even that you and the emperor are abusing unintended mechanics to ruin the PvP of other players, most of them no doubt far less experienced than the two of you.

It's your unrepentant and selfish attitude, justifying trash play simply because of your AP gain and ZoS's inability to close a game-play loophole they have been 100% consistent saying is unintentional.

yodased · July 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Azurethe wrote: »

But I mean, its like, I look at the ground and there are like 30-40 AD dead, and I think like, this is pretty sad

Then I look at my AP per hour and it shows 160K and then I feel better about myself

Its wrong ofc, and its our issue, but its also ZOS' for breaking something so important to the game's structure

What's sad is not the 30 dead AD.

It's not even that you and the emperor are abusing unintended mechanics to ruin the PvP of other players, most of them no doubt far less experienced than the two of you.

It's your unrepentant and selfish attitude, justifying trash play simply because of your AP gain and ZoS's inability to close a game-play loophole they have been 100% consistent saying is unintentional.

You and I have had our disagreements joy, but god damn that was perfect @Joy_Division

Azurethe · July 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Azurethe wrote: »

But I mean, its like, I look at the ground and there are like 30-40 AD dead, and I think like, this is pretty sad

Then I look at my AP per hour and it shows 160K and then I feel better about myself

Its wrong ofc, and its our issue, but its also ZOS' for breaking something so important to the game's structure

What's sad is not the 30 dead AD.

It's not even that you and the emperor are abusing unintended mechanics to ruin the PvP of other players, most of them no doubt far less experienced than the two of you.

It's your unrepentant and selfish attitude, justifying trash play simply because of your AP gain and ZoS's inability to close a game-play loophole they have been 100% consistent saying is unintentional.

Yea pretty much

leeux · July 2016

I should have added to my original post, but I didn't because I thought it was obvious... but just in case:

On the subject of this thread, I totally agree with Yodased here. What happened in this case is a disgrace, and should be punished, with that I agree wholeheartedly.

Nevertheless, I still think that as a game mechanic, wall jumping could be made fair and safe, and IF that were to happen I would love for it to remain in-game.

Azurethe · July 2016

But if you have not read all that I have posted, I have since repented and prayed to Lord Braidas about the error of my ways

Justice31st · July 2016

Skyy wrote: »

So where's the clarification?

We've removed posts referring to people who have not participated in this conversation in addition to posts that were not contributing to the discussion.

Please keep your post civil and meaningful.

^That's your clarification. ZOS doesn't care and do not feel the need to explain their actions obviously.

yodased · July 2016

leeux wrote: »

I should have added to my original post, but I didn't because I thought it was obvious... but just in case:

On the subject of this thread, I totally agree with Yodased here. What happened in this case is a disgrace, and should be punished, with that I agree wholeheartedly.

Nevertheless, I still think that as a game mechanic, wall jumping could be made fair and safe, and IF that were to happen I would love for it to remain in-game.

If they gave clear and difinitive ways to get into as well as discover players that would be amazing.

I would love it so much and would have no issue with any of this.

I really don't even gaf about them getting into the keep itself.

They never kill me on these excursions and I will get AP from it, so whatever, but who stands up for the guy who can't fight them? Who doesn't know any better?

I'm not trying to white knight, but *** someone has to

Satiar · July 2016

It almost makes me appreciate Alacrity. I hated their "it's a gray area!" BS but they did it on populated servers to make mad grabs at scrolls, knowing the full weight of the server would come crashing down on them. These fools are doing it to people holed up in their home keeps with no expectation of good players coming to clear them out.