UPDATE: Zenimax official statment of gap closers being an exploit in here

yodased · July 2016

All day today, all day yesterday. Literally right now.

Blue emp clearly exploiting gap into both levels of keep.

Has pocket healer with him, obviously has yellow friend helping him.

I had a conversation with this person and they said, it has been in the game so long that it may as well be intended. Also they said, it's not like this helps me take keeps.

He then proceeded to exploit into BloodMayne and take it with his healer, so I have a question @ZOS_BrianWheeler, why is this ok?

What do you plan on doing about the fact that the emperor of a campaign is clearly cheating this blatantly?

Yes, reported and I begged everyone else to report as well but, what the actual heck?

@zos_JessicaFolsom please don't bury this, i mean come on

Edited for profanity

Casterial · July 2016

Why do you stand near the edge? Their last fix for this ruined PVP by making all gap closers, leaps etc not work near walls.

->It is an exploit, but the only true exploit is Gap Closers being able to get into keeps, leap is strategic.
-->But wait! What are the consequences of gap closers? You get loading screens for days, you can DC, you can fly!

Honestly, the only fix is for them to work and rework some skills and tweak them out, which they are probably doing. It has been reported numerous times, and they already know about it.

Azurethe · July 2016

I have been deemed a pocket healer

Im so proud

yodased · July 2016

Azurethe wrote: »

I have been deemed a pocket healer

Im so proud

You don't want to know what you are being referred to in zone chat, that is for sure.

Casterial · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Azurethe wrote: »

I have been deemed a pocket healer

Im so proud

You don't want to know what you are being referred to in zone chat, that is for sure.

Zone chat is always mad, and full of haters who couldn't achieve a kill on the person. Its truly toxic.

yodased · July 2016

@Azurethe I'm not even trying to antagonize you, but why is this ok behavior for you?

We don't even have a scroll and its ok for you and the emperor to get into our keep without taking the walls down and farm ap on scrubs all night?

I mean come on man where is your sense of any right and wrong here?

Azurethe · July 2016

Sick

Casterial · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

@Azurethe I'm not even trying to antagonize you, but why is this ok behavior for you?

We don't even have a scroll and its ok for you and the emperor to get into our keep without taking the walls down and farm ap on scrubs all night?

I mean come on man where is your sense of any right and wrong here?

When I was emp I swiss cheesed every AD and EP keep/resource. Be happy he's not.

Azurethe · July 2016

But I mean, its like, I look at the ground and there are like 30-40 AD dead, and I think like, this is pretty sad

Then I look at my AP per hour and it shows 160K and then I feel better about myself

Its wrong ofc, and its our issue, but its also ZOS' for breaking something so important to the game's structure

yodased · July 2016

Casterial wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

@Azurethe I'm not even trying to antagonize you, but why is this ok behavior for you?

We don't even have a scroll and its ok for you and the emperor to get into our keep without taking the walls down and farm ap on scrubs all night?

I mean come on man where is your sense of any right and wrong here?

When I was emp I swiss cheesed every AD and EP keep/resource. Be happy he's not.

putting holes in keeps in one thing.

Using broken skills to get into them without the correct mechanics isn't.

I get it, i'm be a rule *** and its a video game, but I mean I guess I thought we had better sense of fair play than this?

Casterial · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

@Azurethe I'm not even trying to antagonize you, but why is this ok behavior for you?

We don't even have a scroll and its ok for you and the emperor to get into our keep without taking the walls down and farm ap on scrubs all night?

I mean come on man where is your sense of any right and wrong here?

When I was emp I swiss cheesed every AD and EP keep/resource. Be happy he's not.

putting holes in keeps in one thing.

Using broken skills to get into them without the correct mechanics isn't.

I get it, i'm be a rule *** and its a video game, but I mean I guess I thought we had better sense of fair play than this?

Even your own faction takes advantage of the issue going on right now, every faction does. This is why most of us took a break.

yodased · July 2016

Azurethe wrote: »

But I mean, its like, I look at the ground and there are like 30-40 AD dead, and I think like, this is pretty sad

Then I look at my AP per hour and it shows 160K and then I feel better about myself

Its wrong ofc, and its our issue, but its also ZOS' for breaking something so important to the game's structure

Sir, please know I feel sad for you. Really I do because even though its a game, our actions here reflect our thoughts. It's wrong of course but I won't get caught leads to really bad choices sometimes.

Well I guess I have my answer. You guys know I posted this here for you and not them right? I mean obviously

dem0n1k · July 2016

Using a friend in an enemy faction to be the gap-closer target is lame... but I have no problem with the gap-closers getting players into keeps. If ZOS didn't intend for gap-closers to be used this way then they should tweak the skills so they can't be used that way. To have the gap-closer capable of getting up on a keep wall & just telling players that it's 'not intended' is not going to stop anyone from doing it.

When the DB DLC was released & all gap-closers could get you on the keep walls... I really liked it! It made players adapt to the tactic instead of the tired old 'break the wall down, run in, kill guard, break another wall'. From what I saw, the majority of the time that players used this 'exploit', it worked out badly for the gap-closer because the defenders would kill him on the wall where his team-mates could not rez him.

TLDR : If there is a game mechanic that works... players will use it.

Azurethe · July 2016

We did not use any friends to gap close in, all were idiots just standing on the edge over and over and over and over again

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

They've never given any warnings in game , despite videos and reports . Despite the fact they said officially , it is an exploit . So basically your seeing the mice play cause the cats away . I doubt after this long they're going to start enforcing it .

You could also exploit back or take a different route . Leave PvP all together . They have another DLC underway and that usually means their focus will be on that instead of all the problems . I left PvP for a break from all this . Once in awhile I'll get to a resource and fight or open field fight but I've lost interest in the whole campaign thing . Even with my faction winning currently .

yodased · July 2016

I guess I will just take another break from the pvp aspect of the game at this point. It is kind of pointless for me, but dungeon packs are coming though so thats nice.

Maybe its time to dust of the argonian templar for OP heals next patch.

I am not saying my own faction doesn't' exploit. I'm sure they do.

I personally don't. I personally run by myself.

That's me and that just won't work in Cyrodiil.

You guys I hope realize that those 30-40 people dead at your feet and your 160k AP per hour are driving people like me away from pvp a lot right?

Screw that, there are not many pvers that would stick it out as long as I did.

This baloney of farming people like they are numbers will bite you in the ass when you are left with noone to kill on your expeditions into potato castle.

Edited to remove profanity

OGLezard · July 2016

its ok, i watched a few well known streamers do this tonight @yodased , reported em. Got a reply telling me to put toxic players on my ignore list so i dont have to interact with them....

@ZOS_BrianWheeler and co wont do anything about it because streamers bring new players, new players = money, once new players realize how messed up the game is right now they leave but ZoS got their money so its ok for them.

I mean they DID half arse admit thats how they think during quakecon....... or whatever game event they said they dont have hardcore players in eso.......

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2016

yodased wrote: »

Azurethe wrote: »

But I mean, its like, I look at the ground and there are like 30-40 AD dead, and I think like, this is pretty sad

Then I look at my AP per hour and it shows 160K and then I feel better about myself

Its wrong ofc, and its our issue, but its also ZOS' for breaking something so important to the game's structure

Sir, please know I feel sad for you. Really I do because even though its a game, our actions here reflect our thoughts. It's wrong of course but I won't get caught leads to really bad choices sometimes.

Well I guess I have my answer. You guys know I posted this here for you and not them right? I mean obviously

The actual argument isn't that they won't get caught. They get caught all the time. The problem is whoever is running the show doesn't care enough to do anything about it. So yes at this point it is a game feature. Take the moral high ground. Good for you. But no one doing this is being punished. And really it is sort of boring in keeps, so who wouldn't enjoy an emperor running down the stairs at them!

Phinix1 · July 2016

Thing is, this is SUPER easy to fix. Just create an invisible collision mesh around the keep, and set the filter to not allow the hidden projectile involved in gap closer targeting. Very similar to the distance filter on ground target abilities and easy to code.

Do we really need to ask WHY people cheat?

EDIT: I'll give you a hint. Posting this on the forum and bringing attention to the people involved satisfies the same need. Just report them and get your whole guild to report them and all of zone chat to report them and keep reporting them until ZOS finally bans them.

Then when they let them back 3 days later report them again.

yodased · July 2016

The point of the thread was to publicly ask a question of the PvP lead, but I tossed in a bit of my own why do you do this for shiggles, because the main point of the thread will never in a million years be addressed.

If Brian Wheeler posts in this thread the game may actually break

yodased · July 2016

yeah. pretty much sums that up /thread.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

The sad part is till Zenimax fixes this it isn't gonna stop any time soon because many believe that it like animation cancellation is a core mechanic now.

Smileybones · July 2016

Casterial wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

@Azurethe I'm not even trying to antagonize you, but why is this ok behavior for you?

We don't even have a scroll and its ok for you and the emperor to get into our keep without taking the walls down and farm ap on scrubs all night?

I mean come on man where is your sense of any right and wrong here?

When I was emp I swiss cheesed every AD and EP keep/resource. Be happy he's not.

putting holes in keeps in one thing.

Using broken skills to get into them without the correct mechanics isn't.

I get it, i'm be a rule *** and its a video game, but I mean I guess I thought we had better sense of fair play than this?

Even your own faction takes advantage of the issue going on right now, every faction does. This is why most of us took a break.

Nope. I'm a member of a big PVP guild in AD NA PC and we have a srtong policy of not going for home keeps when we have scrolls or emp. Assaulting keep by bypassing walls ? Of course we don't do that, it's for lamers.

Brutusmax1mus · July 2016

Shiggles, awesome word combo

Whatzituyah · July 2016

I really wish there was a simple solution to the bugs and exploits in ESO. Truth is it isn't infact they may have a side team trying to find fixes for these problems now. But you could fix one thing and brake another.

mistermutiny89 · July 2016

Small price to pay to have gap closers working again.

Whatzituyah · July 2016

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Small price to pay to have gap closers working again.

@mistermutiny89 Their has to be another solution.

Pomaikai · July 2016

Azurethe wrote: »

I have been deemed a pocket healer

Im so proud

Naw, you've been deemed a filthy exploiting cheater.

DrMoonMoon · July 2016

That moment when you realize what y'all are reporting people for isn't actaully against the rules and just a matter of opinion of what you BELIEVE is the right way for ZOS to conduct PvP. This thread is just basically people raging because someone is better than them and thus it isn't fair.

Parafrost · July 2016

ZOS could sue for defamation. This thread is pointless to post. Everyone should know by now pvp wont get any better, just like the 90% healing increase from vitality pot, malubeth and major mending wont get fixed even though it was supposed to get fixed.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

That moment when you realize what y'all are reporting people for isn't actaully against the rules and just a matter of opinion of what you BELIEVE is the right way for ZOS to conduct PvP. This thread is just basically people raging because someone is better than them and thus it isn't fair.

Wrong. This thread is about someone exploiting an officially-labeled exploit, and in the worst way possible. I've seen wall jumpers take on what few players were there for them to jump at, defeat them, and move in. If that can happen, imagine how unstoppable an EMPEROR doing it would be... Worse still is someone from the INSIDE is HELPING him wall jump right into the inner keep no doubt, thus rendering siege unnecessary. That actually makes them the worst possible player. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that emperor got his title the usual cheap way; others helping him get it handed to him.