Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ok @Zheg. Let me take screenshots of my magplar running in Cyro with 33333 spell resistances, 24k physical resistances, 2100 crit resistances, 40% spell crit, 2800 spell power, 32k max magicka, critting 17k BoL and 10k radiant destruction on low health enemies with empower, major mending, major vitality, major resolve and major ward.

You said 17k breaths of life, and then when talking about vigor, made sure to say you meant crits. I know you meant crits when you said 17k, but the point is that you keep exaggerating to make your point and it's tiresome.

frozywozy wrote: »

I was not tougher on my stamDK, Zheg. I was a pile of dirt compared to my tankyness and resilience on my magplar. All it takes is major mending + 17k BoL and mist form around objects to keep me up forever. On my StamDK, I was using a support set and my weapon damage fully buffed was not higher than 3.1k. all I could do was dodge rolling. My vigor with mending were ticking for 2.1k crit. Nothing to keep me alive long enough.

frozywozy wrote: »

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Again, we both know you're talking crits, and in this case at super low execute range, but you purposely try and paint the picture that these are the regular numbers because you want to make the argument that you were right all along and templar is SOOOO OP because look at my stats and numbers. You have to be trapped in a corner and forced to make these clarifications, and that's what you're being badgered on.

We CAN have sober conversations about class strengths and weaknesses, but you don't need to keep inflating numbers/deliberately misleading people in your posts. I've discovered the mecca of the healing build for this patch and have yet to see anyone run it in game thus far, and it certainly runs counter to your approach. There is still plenty you don't know yourself, so be careful telling others "you have a lot to learn about this game".

Edit: anyway, we're derailing. Permaroot meta is garbage. The counters added in DB (while appreciated) don't go far enough. Bombard is far stronger in utility with lower risk than encase and talons and it makes no sense. Fix please.

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ok @Zheg. Let me take screenshots of my magplar running in Cyro with 33333 spell resistances, 24k physical resistances, 2100 crit resistances, 40% spell crit, 2800 spell power, 32k max magicka, critting 17k BoL and 10k radiant destruction on low health enemies with empower, major mending, major vitality, major resolve and major ward.

You said 17k breaths of life, and then when talking about vigor, made sure to say you meant crits. I know you meant crits when you said 17k, but the point is that you keep exaggerating to make your point and it's tiresome.

frozywozy wrote: »

I was not tougher on my stamDK, Zheg. I was a pile of dirt compared to my tankyness and resilience on my magplar. All it takes is major mending + 17k BoL and mist form around objects to keep me up forever. On my StamDK, I was using a support set and my weapon damage fully buffed was not higher than 3.1k. all I could do was dodge rolling. My vigor with mending were ticking for 2.1k crit. Nothing to keep me alive long enough.

frozywozy wrote: »

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Again, we both know you're talking crits, and in this case at super low execute range, but you purposely try and paint the picture that these are the regular numbers because you want to make the argument that you were right all along and templar is SOOOO OP because look at my stats and numbers. You have to be trapped in a corner and forced to make these clarifications, and that's what you're being badgered on.

We CAN have sober conversations about class strengths and weaknesses, but you don't need to keep inflating numbers/deliberately misleading people in your posts. I've discovered the mecca of the healing build for this patch and have yet to see anyone run it in game thus far, and it certainly runs counter to your approach. There is still plenty you don't know yourself, so be careful telling others "you have a lot to learn about this game".

Edit: anyway, we're derailing. Permaroot meta is garbage. The counters added in DB (while appreciated) don't go far enough. Bombard is far stronger in utility with lower risk than encase and talons and it makes no sense. Fix please.

I've posted numbers because you asked for them. I argued because you specculated and told me that I was more tanky on my stamDK than I am on my magplar. You have no idea what you're talking about. I do. I am the one playing my characters and who know my chances to survive much more than YOU do. End of story.

You posted misleading numbers because you're trying to hold onto a misguided opinion and others aren't so easily convinced. You get flustered when it's pointed out. I called you out on how you purposefully pretended like your heals hit for 17k (they don't, that's a crit, you specifically left that part out and then tried to compare to a vigor tick when that crits, but you make sure to emphasize that one is a crit value).

On a heavy armor build you'd have pretty low spell crit, so you wouldn't even be seeing that number more than maybe 1 out of every 3 casts. That's not the lobsided picture you were trying to paint.

The same thing applies to your RD numbers. You wanted to paint a picture regardless of how inaccurate it is, so you start talking about how OP your jesus beam is on a tank build because it ticks for 10k. Yeah, you're not BSing a templar, sorry, you got called out on that too and only admitted it was crits in low execute range when backed into a corner.

Yet you're still arguing with me. And no, I never said you were more tanky on your dk, you need to get better at reading. I said you were more of a threat on your dk (because you did more damage, and I'm right, your templar is a tank). Walk away dude, you're just looking silly.

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ok @Zheg. Let me take screenshots of my magplar running in Cyro with 33333 spell resistances, 24k physical resistances, 2100 crit resistances, 40% spell crit, 2800 spell power, 32k max magicka, critting 17k BoL and 10k radiant destruction on low health enemies with empower, major mending, major vitality, major resolve and major ward.

You said 17k breaths of life, and then when talking about vigor, made sure to say you meant crits. I know you meant crits when you said 17k, but the point is that you keep exaggerating to make your point and it's tiresome.

frozywozy wrote: »

I was not tougher on my stamDK, Zheg. I was a pile of dirt compared to my tankyness and resilience on my magplar. All it takes is major mending + 17k BoL and mist form around objects to keep me up forever. On my StamDK, I was using a support set and my weapon damage fully buffed was not higher than 3.1k. all I could do was dodge rolling. My vigor with mending were ticking for 2.1k crit. Nothing to keep me alive long enough.

frozywozy wrote: »

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Again, we both know you're talking crits, and in this case at super low execute range, but you purposely try and paint the picture that these are the regular numbers because you want to make the argument that you were right all along and templar is SOOOO OP because look at my stats and numbers. You have to be trapped in a corner and forced to make these clarifications, and that's what you're being badgered on.

We CAN have sober conversations about class strengths and weaknesses, but you don't need to keep inflating numbers/deliberately misleading people in your posts. I've discovered the mecca of the healing build for this patch and have yet to see anyone run it in game thus far, and it certainly runs counter to your approach. There is still plenty you don't know yourself, so be careful telling others "you have a lot to learn about this game".

Edit: anyway, we're derailing. Permaroot meta is garbage. The counters added in DB (while appreciated) don't go far enough. Bombard is far stronger in utility with lower risk than encase and talons and it makes no sense. Fix please.

I've posted numbers because you asked for them. I argued because you specculated and told me that I was more tanky on my stamDK than I am on my magplar. You have no idea what you're talking about. I do. I am the one playing my characters and who know my chances to survive much more than YOU do. End of story.

You posted misleading numbers because you're trying to hold onto a misguided opinion and others aren't so easily convinced. You get flustered when it's pointed out. I called you out on how you purposefully pretended like your heals hit for 17k (they don't, that's a crit, you specifically left that part out and then tried to compare to a vigor tick when that crits, but you make sure to emphasize that one is a crit value).

What does it change if it's a crit or not? It doesn't change anything. Some friends made me discover a new pot lately that is boosting my healing potential and I get 17k crit BoL with it. Sorry if I haven't mentioned CRIT to make it absolutely clear for your eyes @Zheg. I'm not trying to exaggerate or to make this look silly. You assume I write in a certain way to prouve some points that are totally irrelevant. Stop trying to read between the lines when there is nothing to be found.

On a heavy armor build you'd have pretty low spell crit, so you wouldn't even be seeing that number more than maybe 1 out of every 3 casts. That's not the lobsided picture you were trying to paint.

I stated my spell crit in one of my post. Glad to confirm that you don't even read everything I write and then try to have a reasonable conversation with me. Waste of time. I did say that I have 40% spell crit. 42% actually. That's more than enough to make me survive much longer than I could dream on my stamDK.

The same thing applies to your RD numbers. You wanted to paint a picture regardless of how inaccurate it is, so you start talking about how OP your jesus beam is on a tank build because it ticks for 10k. Yeah, you're not BSing a templar, sorry, you got called out on that too and only admitted it was crits in low execute range when backed into a corner.

Again. You are trying to make me look like I was trying to hide the fact that I was talking about crits. It is not important if I was reffering to crits or not. It is still easily achievable. I have 42% spell crit. You are trying to insinuate stuff that I had never even considered.

Yet you're still arguing with me. And no, I never said you were more tanky on your dk, you need to get better at reading. I said you were more of a threat on your dk (because you did more damage, and I'm right, your templar is a tank). Walk away dude, you're just looking silly.

I made my templar because I wanted to be a full time healer. This has been my goal since magicka DK got nerfed to the ground. I have been grinding to get Grand Overlord like crazy to be able to reroll and heal my group full time. We have always been lacking active healers in my guild and I'm glad to close the gap since I considered myself a pretty decent healer on my resto druid when I was playing Wow.

This is the most ridiculous part about my build. I have everything into healing and damage mitigation. No points in elemental expert, no points in thaumaturge, no infused or divine gear. Still getting those big numbers. lol

"Templar needs a nerf because breath hits for 17k!"
-frozn

"but, that's a crit, in an optimal combat situation"
-sane people

"crits don't matter! look at the numbers I can hit! it's so much stronger than it should be!"
-frozn

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Ok @Zheg. Let me take screenshots of my magplar running in Cyro with 33333 spell resistances, 24k physical resistances, 2100 crit resistances, 40% spell crit, 2800 spell power, 32k max magicka, critting 17k BoL and 10k radiant destruction on low health enemies with empower, major mending, major vitality, major resolve and major ward.

You said 17k breaths of life, and then when talking about vigor, made sure to say you meant crits. I know you meant crits when you said 17k, but the point is that you keep exaggerating to make your point and it's tiresome.

frozywozy wrote: »

I was not tougher on my stamDK, Zheg. I was a pile of dirt compared to my tankyness and resilience on my magplar. All it takes is major mending + 17k BoL and mist form around objects to keep me up forever. On my StamDK, I was using a support set and my weapon damage fully buffed was not higher than 3.1k. all I could do was dodge rolling. My vigor with mending were ticking for 2.1k crit. Nothing to keep me alive long enough.

frozywozy wrote: »

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Again, we both know you're talking crits, and in this case at super low execute range, but you purposely try and paint the picture that these are the regular numbers because you want to make the argument that you were right all along and templar is SOOOO OP because look at my stats and numbers. You have to be trapped in a corner and forced to make these clarifications, and that's what you're being badgered on.

We CAN have sober conversations about class strengths and weaknesses, but you don't need to keep inflating numbers/deliberately misleading people in your posts. I've discovered the mecca of the healing build for this patch and have yet to see anyone run it in game thus far, and it certainly runs counter to your approach. There is still plenty you don't know yourself, so be careful telling others "you have a lot to learn about this game".

Edit: anyway, we're derailing. Permaroot meta is garbage. The counters added in DB (while appreciated) don't go far enough. Bombard is far stronger in utility with lower risk than encase and talons and it makes no sense. Fix please.

I've posted numbers because you asked for them. I argued because you specculated and told me that I was more tanky on my stamDK than I am on my magplar. You have no idea what you're talking about. I do. I am the one playing my characters and who know my chances to survive much more than YOU do. End of story.

You posted misleading numbers because you're trying to hold onto a misguided opinion and others aren't so easily convinced. You get flustered when it's pointed out. I called you out on how you purposefully pretended like your heals hit for 17k (they don't, that's a crit, you specifically left that part out and then tried to compare to a vigor tick when that crits, but you make sure to emphasize that one is a crit value).

What does it change if it's a crit or not? It doesn't change anything. Some friends made me discover a new pot lately that is boosting my healing potential and I get 17k crit BoL with it. Sorry if I haven't mentioned CRIT to make it absolutely clear for your eyes @Zheg. I'm not trying to exaggerate or to make this look silly. You assume I write in a certain way to prouve some points that are totally irrelevant. Stop trying to read between the lines when there is nothing to be found.

On a heavy armor build you'd have pretty low spell crit, so you wouldn't even be seeing that number more than maybe 1 out of every 3 casts. That's not the lobsided picture you were trying to paint.

I stated my spell crit in one of my post. Glad to confirm that you don't even read everything I write and then try to have a reasonable conversation with me. Waste of time. I did say that I have 40% spell crit. 42% actually. That's more than enough to make me survive much longer than I could dream on my stamDK.

The same thing applies to your RD numbers. You wanted to paint a picture regardless of how inaccurate it is, so you start talking about how OP your jesus beam is on a tank build because it ticks for 10k. Yeah, you're not BSing a templar, sorry, you got called out on that too and only admitted it was crits in low execute range when backed into a corner.

Again. You are trying to make me look like I was trying to hide the fact that I was talking about crits. It is not important if I was reffering to crits or not. It is still easily achievable. I have 42% spell crit. You are trying to insinuate stuff that I had never even considered.

Yet you're still arguing with me. And no, I never said you were more tanky on your dk, you need to get better at reading. I said you were more of a threat on your dk (because you did more damage, and I'm right, your templar is a tank). Walk away dude, you're just looking silly.

I made my templar because I wanted to be a full time healer. This has been my goal since magicka DK got nerfed to the ground. I have been grinding to get Grand Overlord like crazy to be able to reroll and heal my group full time. We have always been lacking active healers in my guild and I'm glad to close the gap since I considered myself a pretty decent healer on my resto druid when I was playing Wow.

This is the most ridiculous part about my build. I have everything into healing and damage mitigation. No points in elemental expert, no points in thaumaturge, no infused or divine gear. Still getting those big numbers. lol

"Templar needs a nerf because breath hits for 17k!"
-frozn

"but, that's a crit, in an optimal combat situation"
-sane people

"crits don't matter! look at the numbers I can hit! it's so much stronger than it should be!"
-frozn

Remove those quotes. I never said or meant such thing in any way.

I spent months arguing with you over your claims that templar is soooo strong and stam DK so weak. Then you drop highballed numbers as validation to paint a false picture. I call you out on the fact that you conveniently leave out the fact that those were crits, not base numbers, and not even avg numbers. You follow that up by insisting you meant no foul by only talking about crits when you were comparing to stam numbers to demonstrate how weak those are, and then insist that "It is not important if I was reffering to crits or not." Mmmk. Oh, and you put all of your points in healing for magicka but don't do the same for your stam build, and then try to compare mag heals to stam heals. Mmmk.

Hey wrobel, can you do me a favor and nerf incapacitating strike, it's hitting me for 16k damage. That does seem too strong and overpowered, those must be crit numbers right, otherwise yikes! (wrobel). It doesn't matter if it was a crit or not, I have a point I'm trying to make, so go ahead and push out those balance changes.

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Actually, if you think armor means anything with how sharpened is working, YOU have a lot to learn about this game. Maybe play the class a little longer before insinuating others need to L2Templar

I don't HAVE to be a senior in magplar theorycrafting. That's the thing. I took the advice from well known magplars who know what they're doing and are very successful in small scale PVP facing larger numbers. C'mon now. Don't tell me that running around with 9k physical resistances in full light armor will bring you anywhere in openworld pvp. This is getting ridiculous and not worth discussing anymore.

Then let THEM be the ones to make the kinds of statements you keep trying to make until you have enough experience to speak for yourself. You either go heavy armor or you run shields for survivability, with how sharpened+mace+breach can stack you'll never hit what you need with light armor unless you build horribly.

You want to try explaining those 17k breath of lifes or 10k rd ticks again? You keep saying things so strongly but they aren't well-grounded. I know what those numbers are supposed to be, and they're no where near accurate, particularly based on your build for tankiness.

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Actually, if you think armor means anything with how sharpened is working, YOU have a lot to learn about this game. Maybe play the class a little longer before insinuating others need to L2Templar

I don't HAVE to be a senior in magplar theorycrafting. That's the thing. I took the advice from well known magplars who know what they're doing and are very successful in small scale PVP facing larger numbers. C'mon now. Don't tell me that running around with 9k physical resistances in full light armor will bring you anywhere in openworld pvp. No matter how dominant is sharpened VS other traits on weapon right now, Heavy armor gives a HUGE advantage against stam classes. Nothing to neglect. Can't believe I actually have to mention this. lol

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

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Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Actually, if you think armor means anything with how sharpened is working, YOU have a lot to learn about this game. Maybe play the class a little longer before insinuating others need to L2Templar

I don't HAVE to be a senior in magplar theorycrafting. That's the thing. I took the advice from well known magplars who know what they're doing and are very successful in small scale PVP facing larger numbers. C'mon now. Don't tell me that running around with 9k physical resistances in full light armor will bring you anywhere in openworld pvp. This is getting ridiculous and not worth discussing anymore.

Then let THEM be the ones to make the kinds of statements you keep trying to make until you have enough experience to speak for yourself. You either go heavy armor or you run shields for survivability, with how sharpened+mace+breach can stack you'll never hit what you need with light armor unless you build horribly.

You want to try explaining those 17k breath of lifes or 10k rd ticks again? You keep saying things so strongly but they aren't well-grounded. I know what those numbers are supposed to be, and they're no where near accurate, particularly based on your build for tankiness.

11k RD : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_071753_zpsxeammxfu.png

17k BoL : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_081747_zpsq9lhovnz.png

Stats : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_082234_zpsp8rxx4h7.png

AAAAND everything I said was accurate, thanks for the evidence. Your breath of life hits for around 10k, your crit hits for around 17k (though, less on others because not everyone wears 5 heavy) and your average hps with breath will be around 12.8k, NOT 17k.

Your jesus beam? You have a crit tick in there for 5.6k, a regular one for 4.6k as they get lower in health, and then 12k crit in low execute range. This, too, was exactly what I said it was going to be ... one just had to add key words that were left out of your original post to get the real picture and not the BS one you were trying to convince people of.

We both know you're smart enough when talking numbers and balance to make the distinction between a crit and a non crit, same goes for trying to pass off a tick in execute range as a regular tick. You're welcome to continue denying that you weren't trying to mislead people, I'm welcome to continue not believing you.

You want to try explaining those 17k breath of lifes or 10k rd ticks again? You keep saying things so strongly but they aren't well-grounded. I know what those numbers are supposed to be, and they're no where near accurate, particularly based on your build for tankiness.

You mention black on white that my numbers are no where near accurate, particularly based on my build for tankiness. I never insisted anywhere in my posts that I was talking about non crits. You never mentioned in your post that my "inaccurate" numbers had anything to do with crits. You simply stated that it was impossible to get such numbers in a tanky build, straight simple.

I demonstrated you otherwise, without changing anything special in my build, without putting any new skills on my bar, without changing any champion points, without relying on somebody else's buffs. So no, you weren't right. I prove you wrong and shew you that it was easily achievable to get such numbers.

And as Bee-Chan mentioned, BoL gets even higher numbers on target at low health. My 17 CRIT BoL is on myself at full health. You also mention it will heal less on others which is entirely irrelevant by itself. Again, I never said I was healing others for 17k BoL. You are making this up yourself to try to bias the subject and make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about.

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Frozn, where do you get impossible from that? You see the part that says "heal after getting wrecking blowed"? If the templar is healing herself, then she isn't just dead ffs.

What I wrote was that it is inconvenient - yes, that's the word I use, see for yourself - for templars to defend against it because they have no skills for such. Because they didnt useless it's a blazing shield tank build. What templars do is reactively heal after eating damage

Also you're dead wrong that I "run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage." I do not such thing. I accept the limitations and consequences of my build. I never asked for ZoS to let purge/cleanse mitigate WB. I even in fact told them that allowing harness magicka to absorb physical damage was dumb.

What I object to are the people who run around with specialized builds like I do, namely the medium armor, shuffle builds build purely for melee, who expect to mitigate or avoid every single-target ability in the game. They want is so light armor DPS templars are weak against WB, but their medium armor DPS builds are strong against RD. They want to be rock and only fight against scissors.

You say a lot of things about learning about the game, need I remind you of the video "proof" you uploaded of a templar supposedly blocking WB was NOT blocking them!

I *never* said or expected to run around with 9K physical resist and be strong against the various threats in openworld PvP. Never asked ZoS to change the game such that I was. I do, however, expect those players who do the same thing I do, that is making glass cannons, stop coming onto these forums misrepresenting a skill their narrow builds have trouble defending against while they lobby ZoS to make the game easier for them - all the time while hypocritically denouncing ZoS for "dumbing down the game for casuals."

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar.

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

You mention black on white that on your magplar, you have no defense against stambuilds. And then you continue proving your point stating that all you can do is heal yourself after getting Wrecking blowed, which is obviously not enough in your mind.

The reality is, any reasonable magplar who play against a wrecking blow spammer and who want to stand a chance will not play in full light armor and will not only spam heals on himself. He will use either Harness Magicka and/or Elusive Mist form to kite his target, will use one hand shield and not resto/destro and will have a fair amount of perks into block cost reduc / block mitigation to make it work.

He will also use all kind of offensive rotations to apply pressure on his opponent such as Dark Flare into Toppling Charge or Dark Flare into Blazing Spear and then with sufficient points in Quick Recovery and/or Blessed, your Puncturing Sweeps will heal you back to full in no time. Especially standing in your own Channeled Focus or RItual to benefit from mending.

Then you empower your bats or whichever ult you wanna use that reach through dodge rolling and finish him off with RD easily. The fact that you stated that your only option against Wrecking Blow is to heal yourself demonstrate how absurdly far behind you were on the meta and/or how hard you wanted to get Wrecking Blow nerfed to ease your red dress light armor / resto staff build. And you achieved that successfully, as Wrecking Blow got nerfed real hard.

@DisgracefulMind - Light Armor won't protect you against the insanely huge burst damage coming from Alchemist + Kena. I don't want to be disrespectful to you because you are a great player but i've seen you in the past in some player stream getting killed into a single burst of Crit Rush into Dawnbreaker of Smithing into one or two Reverse Slashes. The build is great if you are aware of your surrounding and respond quickly to any attack. I like running heavy because it is less stressful and give me abit more time to react. Especially to gankers, as you pointed out.

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Actually, if you think armor means anything with how sharpened is working, YOU have a lot to learn about this game. Maybe play the class a little longer before insinuating others need to L2Templar

I don't HAVE to be a senior in magplar theorycrafting. That's the thing. I took the advice from well known magplars who know what they're doing and are very successful in small scale PVP facing larger numbers. C'mon now. Don't tell me that running around with 9k physical resistances in full light armor will bring you anywhere in openworld pvp. This is getting ridiculous and not worth discussing anymore.

Then let THEM be the ones to make the kinds of statements you keep trying to make until you have enough experience to speak for yourself. You either go heavy armor or you run shields for survivability, with how sharpened+mace+breach can stack you'll never hit what you need with light armor unless you build horribly.

You want to try explaining those 17k breath of lifes or 10k rd ticks again? You keep saying things so strongly but they aren't well-grounded. I know what those numbers are supposed to be, and they're no where near accurate, particularly based on your build for tankiness.

11k RD : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_071753_zpsxeammxfu.png

17k BoL : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_081747_zpsq9lhovnz.png

Stats : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_082234_zpsp8rxx4h7.png

AAAAND everything I said was accurate, thanks for the evidence. Your breath of life hits for around 10k, your crit hits for around 17k (though, less on others because not everyone wears 5 heavy) and your average hps with breath will be around 12.8k, NOT 17k.

Your jesus beam? You have a crit tick in there for 5.6k, a regular one for 4.6k as they get lower in health, and then 12k crit in low execute range. This, too, was exactly what I said it was going to be ... one just had to add key words that were left out of your original post to get the real picture and not the BS one you were trying to convince people of.

We both know you're smart enough when talking numbers and balance to make the distinction between a crit and a non crit, same goes for trying to pass off a tick in execute range as a regular tick. You're welcome to continue denying that you weren't trying to mislead people, I'm welcome to continue not believing you.

You want to try explaining those 17k breath of lifes or 10k rd ticks again? You keep saying things so strongly but they aren't well-grounded. I know what those numbers are supposed to be, and they're no where near accurate, particularly based on your build for tankiness.

You mention black on white that my numbers are no where near accurate, particularly based on my build for tankiness. I never insisted anywhere in my posts that I was talking about non crits. You never mentioned in your post that my "inaccurate" numbers had anything to do with crits. You simply stated that it was impossible to get such numbers in a tanky build, straight simple.

I demonstrated you otherwise, without changing anything special in my build, without putting any new skills on my bar, without changing any champion points, without relying on somebody else's buffs. So no, you weren't right. I prove you wrong and shew you that it was easily achievable to get such numbers.

And as Bee-Chan mentioned, BoL gets even higher numbers on target at low health. My 17 CRIT BoL is on myself at full health. You also mention it will heal less on others which is entirely irrelevant by itself. Again, I never said I was healing others for 17k BoL. You are making this up yourself to try to bias the subject and make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about.

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frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Frozn, where do you get impossible from that? You see the part that says "heal after getting wrecking blowed"? If the templar is healing herself, then she isn't just dead ffs.

What I wrote was that it is inconvenient - yes, that's the word I use, see for yourself - for templars to defend against it because they have no skills for such. Because they didnt useless it's a blazing shield tank build. What templars do is reactively heal after eating damage

Also you're dead wrong that I "run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage." I do not such thing. I accept the limitations and consequences of my build. I never asked for ZoS to let purge/cleanse mitigate WB. I even in fact told them that allowing harness magicka to absorb physical damage was dumb.

What I object to are the people who run around with specialized builds like I do, namely the medium armor, shuffle builds build purely for melee, who expect to mitigate or avoid every single-target ability in the game. They want is so light armor DPS templars are weak against WB, but their medium armor DPS builds are strong against RD. They want to be rock and only fight against scissors.

You say a lot of things about learning about the game, need I remind you of the video "proof" you uploaded of a templar supposedly blocking WB was NOT blocking them!

I *never* said or expected to run around with 9K physical resist and be strong against the various threats in openworld PvP. Never asked ZoS to change the game such that I was. I do, however, expect those players who do the same thing I do, that is making glass cannons, stop coming onto these forums misrepresenting a skill their narrow builds have trouble defending against while they lobby ZoS to make the game easier for them - all the time while hypocritically denouncing ZoS for "dumbing down the game for casuals."

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar.

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

You mention black on white that on your magplar, you have no defense against stambuilds. And then you continue proving your point stating that all you can do is heal yourself after getting Wrecking blowed, which is obviously not enough in your mind.

The reality is, any reasonable magplar who play against a wrecking blow spammer and who want to stand a chance will not play in full light armor and will not only spam heals on himself. He will use either Harness Magicka and/or Elusive Mist form to kite his target, will use one hand shield and not resto/destro and will have a fair amount of perks into block cost reduc / block mitigation to make it work.

He will also use all kind of offensive rotations to apply pressure on his opponent such as Dark Flare into Toppling Charge or Dark Flare into Blazing Spear and then with sufficient points in Quick Recovery and/or Blessed, your Puncturing Sweeps will heal you back to full in no time. Especially standing in your own Channeled Focus or RItual to benefit from mending.

Then you empower your bats or whichever ult you wanna use that reach through dodge rolling and finish him off with RD easily. The fact that you stated that your only option against Wrecking Blow is to heal yourself demonstrate how absurdly far behind you were on the meta and/or how hard you wanted to get Wrecking Blow nerfed to ease your red dress light armor / resto staff build. And you achieved that successfully, as Wrecking Blow got nerfed real hard.

@DisgracefulMind - Light Armor won't protect you against the insanely huge burst damage coming from Alchemist + Kena. I don't want to be disrespectful to you because you are a great player but i've seen you in the past in some player stream getting killed into a single burst of Crit Rush into Dawnbreaker of Smithing into one or two Reverse Slashes. The build is great if you are aware of your surrounding and respond quickly to any attack. I like running heavy because it is less stressful and give me abit more time to react. Especially to gankers, as you pointed out.

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Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Actually, if you think armor means anything with how sharpened is working, YOU have a lot to learn about this game. Maybe play the class a little longer before insinuating others need to L2Templar

I don't HAVE to be a senior in magplar theorycrafting. That's the thing. I took the advice from well known magplars who know what they're doing and are very successful in small scale PVP facing larger numbers. C'mon now. Don't tell me that running around with 9k physical resistances in full light armor will bring you anywhere in openworld pvp. This is getting ridiculous and not worth discussing anymore.

Then let THEM be the ones to make the kinds of statements you keep trying to make until you have enough experience to speak for yourself. You either go heavy armor or you run shields for survivability, with how sharpened+mace+breach can stack you'll never hit what you need with light armor unless you build horribly.

You want to try explaining those 17k breath of lifes or 10k rd ticks again? You keep saying things so strongly but they aren't well-grounded. I know what those numbers are supposed to be, and they're no where near accurate, particularly based on your build for tankiness.

11k RD : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_071753_zpsxeammxfu.png

17k BoL : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_081747_zpsq9lhovnz.png

Stats : http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/Frozen6969/TESO/Trash/Screenshot_20160630_082234_zpsp8rxx4h7.png

AAAAND everything I said was accurate, thanks for the evidence. Your breath of life hits for around 10k, your crit hits for around 17k (though, less on others because not everyone wears 5 heavy) and your average hps with breath will be around 12.8k, NOT 17k.

Your jesus beam? You have a crit tick in there for 5.6k, a regular one for 4.6k as they get lower in health, and then 12k crit in low execute range. This, too, was exactly what I said it was going to be ... one just had to add key words that were left out of your original post to get the real picture and not the BS one you were trying to convince people of.

We both know you're smart enough when talking numbers and balance to make the distinction between a crit and a non crit, same goes for trying to pass off a tick in execute range as a regular tick. You're welcome to continue denying that you weren't trying to mislead people, I'm welcome to continue not believing you.

You want to try explaining those 17k breath of lifes or 10k rd ticks again? You keep saying things so strongly but they aren't well-grounded. I know what those numbers are supposed to be, and they're no where near accurate, particularly based on your build for tankiness.

You mention black on white that my numbers are no where near accurate, particularly based on my build for tankiness. I never insisted anywhere in my posts that I was talking about non crits. You never mentioned in your post that my "inaccurate" numbers had anything to do with crits. You simply stated that it was impossible to get such numbers in a tanky build, straight simple.

I demonstrated you otherwise, without changing anything special in my build, without putting any new skills on my bar, without changing any champion points, without relying on somebody else's buffs. So no, you weren't right. I prove you wrong and shew you that it was easily achievable to get such numbers.

And as Bee-Chan mentioned, BoL gets even higher numbers on target at low health. My 17 CRIT BoL is on myself at full health. You also mention it will heal less on others which is entirely irrelevant by itself. Again, I never said I was healing others for 17k BoL. You are making this up yourself to try to bias the subject and make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about.

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@frozywozy you and I will never agree on the main cause of lag. Even though I feel strongly that each subsequent patch is just further evidence of how wrong you are/were about 20 people balled up causing the lag and not the 80 people running around a keep, I'm going to avoid having that debate for the 100th time. With regards to PM, no, I'm not wrong and I did not contradict myself. Stacking raids doesn't mean putting 3 raids literally on top of each other's bodies, they'd die in a single negate to that. Stacking raids refers to them bringing multiple raids to the same keep and all partaking in the same fights at the same time.

i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrOVHObthc

Also the reason you aren't necessarily seeing the negate/root as much as organized groups is because you aren't playing in one all that often. I think I saw you in a large raid maybe twice this campaign? Sure, when I'm solo it's super easy to stay off to the side while watching invictus bomb and then go in with a prox, ult, and jabs/spears. When you're in a group you're a target, you can spread, and the good ones spread for incoming bombs, but when you have multiple raids plus pugs of opponents against your group and both sides spread, the deck is stacked in favor of those with more numbers (particularly because of the root spam).

I'd never expect saramis' raid to drop 6 negates on me when I'm solo (though who knows, he's not too fond of me), but that doesn't mean I don't remember fighting at brindle front door and hearing the sound effect of negate at least 7 or 8 times when we only had 2 of our own in group and no yellow pugs near that I saw. I'd like to see you get out of that many negates with the kind of aoe damage that groups put out and then come back to the discussion like everything is peachy - particularly when the majority of negates are invisible and you can't actually see that third negate that you need to gtfo from.

As an aside, magplar is one of the best solo and small scale builds, but I think you're starting to finally realize the grass isn't as green as you kept insisting it was all those times you argued with me about how unfair the deck was stacked against your poor top of the food chain stam DK.

If someone drop 7 negates on you, you deserve to die. Period.

My stamDK sucks compared to my magplar. I don't have any points in elemental expert, I'm heavy armor full tank build and my RD ticks for 10k. I get 3-4x more killing blows on my templar as a full time healer. Should I keep going?

Getting KBs on templar is easy mode. As much as I complain about ZoS's handling off the class, that cannot be denied. And being a "full time healer" just means your RD is not only strong, butalso you can actually survive to use it.

But by all means, keep going and say stuff everyone already knows.

Dude, you were the first to complain in the first Radiant Destruction thread that it was impossible for you to counter Wrecking Blow spam on your magplar. Don't come with your salt saying that what I stated is just old news and talking for everybody else like you were some kind of prophet.

"Dude" no, I was one of many who corrected people's misinterpretations of the spell such as it can't be blocked, it's doesn't break on LOS, it's the only ranged execute, it's damage over 50% is comparable to regular DPS skills, etc.

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar. I said magicka templars are inconvenienced when defending against WB because their magicka pool (harness, purge, purify, etc) doesn't help much just as stam builds are inconvenienced against RD because their stam pool (i.e dodge) doesn't help much.

I never denied templars were good at killing enemy players. I have said multiple times before, during and after the TG patch that templars were going to be very strong offensively.

If you bothered reading what I had to say instead of assuming I had an agenda, maybe you wouldn't felt so helpless on your DK and re-rolled.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2771843/#Comment_2771843

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

A sorc can put a 10K shield. A NB can stealth and re-position. Dks and Templars got to stand in the field and might as well bend over considering how their backside has been treated since 1.6

The balance in this game has sucked for the past year and a lot of it has to do with people asking for nerfs because of abilities that inconvenience / counter their play-style and I think such behavior should stop.

What were you saying? I've seen you fighting wb spammers. You run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage? I won't disrespect you because you've done great things for this community but if you still think that you will be fine in openworld PVP running around with 9k physical resistances on a magplar, you have alot to learn about this game.

Frozn, where do you get impossible from that? You see the part that says "heal after getting wrecking blowed"? If the templar is healing herself, then she isn't just dead ffs.

What I wrote was that it is inconvenient - yes, that's the word I use, see for yourself - for templars to defend against it because they have no skills for such. Because they didnt useless it's a blazing shield tank build. What templars do is reactively heal after eating damage

Also you're dead wrong that I "run around with your beautiful dress in full light armor with your resto staff out and expect to mitigate all sort of damage." I do not such thing. I accept the limitations and consequences of my build. I never asked for ZoS to let purge/cleanse mitigate WB. I even in fact told them that allowing harness magicka to absorb physical damage was dumb.

What I object to are the people who run around with specialized builds like I do, namely the medium armor, shuffle builds build purely for melee, who expect to mitigate or avoid every single-target ability in the game. They want is so light armor DPS templars are weak against WB, but their medium armor DPS builds are strong against RD. They want to be rock and only fight against scissors.

You say a lot of things about learning about the game, need I remind you of the video "proof" you uploaded of a templar supposedly blocking WB was NOT blocking them!

I *never* said or expected to run around with 9K physical resist and be strong against the various threats in openworld PvP. Never asked ZoS to change the game such that I was. I do, however, expect those players who do the same thing I do, that is making glass cannons, stop coming onto these forums misrepresenting a skill their narrow builds have trouble defending against while they lobby ZoS to make the game easier for them - all the time while hypocritically denouncing ZoS for "dumbing down the game for casuals."

I never said it was impossible for me to counter Wrecking Blow spam on my templar.

And what defense do magicka templars have against stam builds? '

None. Heal after getting wrecking blowed. You got 19K spell resistance. I got 9K physical.

You mention black on white that on your magplar, you have no defense against stambuilds. And then you continue proving your point stating that all you can do is heal yourself after getting Wrecking blowed, which is obviously not enough in your mind.

The reality is, any reasonable magplar who play against a wrecking blow spammer and who want to stand a chance will not play in full light armor and will not only spam heals on himself. He will use either Harness Magicka and/or Elusive Mist form to kite his target, will use one hand shield and not resto/destro and will have a fair amount of perks into block cost reduc / block mitigation to make it work.

He will also use all kind of offensive rotations to apply pressure on his opponent such as Dark Flare into Toppling Charge or Dark Flare into Blazing Spear and then with sufficient points in Quick Recovery and/or Blessed, your Puncturing Sweeps will heal you back to full in no time. Especially standing in your own Channeled Focus or RItual to benefit from mending.

Then you empower your bats or whichever ult you wanna use that reach through dodge rolling and finish him off with RD easily. The fact that you stated that your only option against Wrecking Blow is to heal yourself demonstrate how absurdly far behind you were on the meta and/or how hard you wanted to get Wrecking Blow nerfed to ease your red dress light armor / resto staff build. And you achieved that successfully, as Wrecking Blow got nerfed real hard.

@DisgracefulMind - Light Armor won't protect you against the insanely huge burst damage coming from Alchemist + Kena. I don't want to be disrespectful to you because you are a great player but i've seen you in the past in some player stream getting killed into a single burst of Crit Rush into Dawnbreaker of Smithing into one or two Reverse Slashes. The build is great if you are aware of your surrounding and respond quickly to any attack. I like running heavy because it is less stressful and give me abit more time to react. Especially to gankers, as you pointed out.

On line 143 you reference a "17 CRIT BOL" but then on line 144 you reference that same BOL as a "17K CRIT"

Can we get clarification to help me understand which it is?