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Why the Hardcore Gamer Should Not Be Forgotten
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Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »
You keep saying that, and I'm pretty sure it's still completely wrong.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Like I stated before, the large portion of the money is not really coming from the casual players. How can that be possible?
Because crown store items are mostly cosmetic crap that provides no functional advantage, I would bet a month's salary that the vast majority of the crown store sales come from the players you would call casuals. They are the ones more likely to go nuts over a new mount or pet, and toss money at "convenience" items like the banker and stuff that gives them more out of their limited playtime.
Also, just for fun, since you seem to like arguments based on stereotypes, I can even make one for this (please note, this is for illustrative purposes only, and is not meant to be taken seriously, or to reflect my actual views):
Hardcore gamers are mostly kids and people with no jobs that live in basements and have plenty of time to play ESO all day long. Casuals are mostly adults and people with real-life responsibilities that have less time to play. Obviously, the casuals are the ones who have jobs and access to disposable income, and therefore have far more money to spend in the crown store than the kids who live in their moms' basements.
Seriously though, there's one main reason why game developers don't like to try to cater to the "hardcore" players: They are typically impossible to please.
Look at things like VMA. There's an example of content that probably less than 10% of the playerbase can even complete. Yet how many times do you see posts where someone is complaining (about VMA) that "Oh, it's such a grind. It's not even a challenge anymore. We need something new." Or if not that, things like, "The challenge is all just stupid mechanics. It's not REAL challenge, it's just lazy." Constant complaining about how "easy" something that most of the players of this game will likely never complete.
Yet look at how many people get excited when the release a cool-looking new mount? You know who the vast majority of those people are? Casuals.
Given all this, who would YOU cater to, if you wanted to make money?
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One of my friends is actually rich in the real world, and used to play this game non-stop. His mother's basement was nowhere to be found.
I take care of my children, do my job, do volunteer work at a community center four days in a week, have two hour conversations with my wife, mow my lawn, read, write songs, watch Netflix, sleep, eat, do research on current events, and drive for a total of two hours everyday. And I play everyday, have a total of 10 characters, 5 of them are veteran ranked, 3 are maxed out. So I'm considered a hardcore player.
Oh, and in case you didn't understand all that. I live in my own house. So I'll just continue to laugh at your narrow-minded a**. And people think I stereotype -LOL.
I thought to hardcore players this was the real world?
Your friend's mother's basement is nowhere to be found - that far downtown huh?
I hope the daily 2 hour conversations with your wife aren't just about ESO, but if you're truly hardcore then they probably are - our sympathies to her!
"OMG look at my dps parse from last night, it was 0.000361% higher than the night before - how kewl is that!"
"Yes dear."
When did this become about you?Motto: Make deceivers believers.
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✭✭✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »
You keep saying that, and I'm pretty sure it's still completely wrong.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Like I stated before, the large portion of the money is not really coming from the casual players. How can that be possible?
Because crown store items are mostly cosmetic crap that provides no functional advantage, I would bet a month's salary that the vast majority of the crown store sales come from the players you would call casuals. They are the ones more likely to go nuts over a new mount or pet, and toss money at "convenience" items like the banker and stuff that gives them more out of their limited playtime.
Also, just for fun, since you seem to like arguments based on stereotypes, I can even make one for this (please note, this is for illustrative purposes only, and is not meant to be taken seriously, or to reflect my actual views):
Hardcore gamers are mostly kids and people with no jobs that live in basements and have plenty of time to play ESO all day long. Casuals are mostly adults and people with real-life responsibilities that have less time to play. Obviously, the casuals are the ones who have jobs and access to disposable income, and therefore have far more money to spend in the crown store than the kids who live in their moms' basements.
Seriously though, there's one main reason why game developers don't like to try to cater to the "hardcore" players: They are typically impossible to please.
Look at things like VMA. There's an example of content that probably less than 10% of the playerbase can even complete. Yet how many times do you see posts where someone is complaining (about VMA) that "Oh, it's such a grind. It's not even a challenge anymore. We need something new." Or if not that, things like, "The challenge is all just stupid mechanics. It's not REAL challenge, it's just lazy." Constant complaining about how "easy" something that most of the players of this game will likely never complete.
Yet look at how many people get excited when the release a cool-looking new mount? You know who the vast majority of those people are? Casuals.
Given all this, who would YOU cater to, if you wanted to make money?
LMAO - One of my friends is actually rich in the real world, and used to play this game non-stop. His mother's basement was nowhere to be found.
I take care of my children, do my job, do volunteer work at a community center four days in a week, have two hour conversations with my wife, mow my lawn, read, write songs, watch Netflix, sleep, eat, do research on current events, and drive for a total of two hours everyday. And I play everyday, have a total of 10 characters, 5 of them are veteran ranked, 3 are maxed out. So I'm considered a hardcore player.
Oh, and in case you didn't understand all that. I live in my own house. So I'll just continue to laugh at your narrow-minded a**. And people think I stereotype -LOL.
I thought to hardcore players this was the real world?
Your friend's mother's basement is nowhere to be found - that far downtown huh?
I hope the daily 2 hour conversations with your wife aren't just about ESO, but if you're truly hardcore then they probably are - our sympathies to her!
"OMG look at my dps parse from last night, it was 0.000361% higher than the night before - how kewl is that!"
"Yes dear."
When did this become about you?
About the time Frieza got off the rag.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Lilacgooseberries wrote: »The only thing that turned me off to this thread is the word cater...It's extremely childish and selfish to want game developers or any company for that matter to cater to one group of people because they feel that they are more important...or better...Sitting in front of a computer or TV screen all day playing an MMO shouldn't be catered to or rewarded...Now I'm not saying anything against someone who plays a video game all day. I play this game steadily everyday for a few hours, but I'm not a hardcore gamer, and I don't believe I'm better or more special than anyone else who plays the game...No one is being catered to here...you can play the game how ever you like. Everyone getting equal treatment does not take anything away from you.
Thank you. You are the first reply made that was worth reading. And you make a good point. It was not my intention to imply that only hardcore players should be acknowledged. That's an oversight I will correct, by rewording the thread title.Motto: Make deceivers believers.
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ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Someone please describe "noob" and "casual" to me. Sorry but that is just a trigger for me. No offence but all of us were "noobs" at one point or another, all of us looked at other builds, asked others questions, found things out from other players and needed help at one point or another.
How is a "casual" defined? 5 hours a week? 1 hour a day? Why split them up? Don't we need more players and newer players to help this game grow and thrive?
Congrats on having 8 VR16 characters maxed out, all achievements and max gear. What makes you the special snowflake over other newer players?
This is what causes a toxic player base. Bashing and wanting to separate yourself from players that either are not as "good" as you or play as much as you.
You want hardcore? Go run Vet trials? Still not hard enough for you. Go solo it or run it naked with your fists and no skills.
There will ALWAYS be players with different skill levels and play time. The game cannot cater to either one completely. In order for any MMO to survive and grow it needs to have a stronger community.
Instead of being annoyed with players not up to your "skill" try helping them, trying making them better players and enjoying the game instead of standing above them and bragging about your better shaped pixels and higher stat numbers...Edited by ThePaleItalian on June 24, 2016 9:02PMConan, what is good in life?
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Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »
You keep saying that, and I'm pretty sure it's still completely wrong.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Like I stated before, the large portion of the money is not really coming from the casual players. How can that be possible?
Because crown store items are mostly cosmetic crap that provides no functional advantage, I would bet a month's salary that the vast majority of the crown store sales come from the players you would call casuals. They are the ones more likely to go nuts over a new mount or pet, and toss money at "convenience" items like the banker and stuff that gives them more out of their limited playtime.
Also, just for fun, since you seem to like arguments based on stereotypes, I can even make one for this (please note, this is for illustrative purposes only, and is not meant to be taken seriously, or to reflect my actual views):
Hardcore gamers are mostly kids and people with no jobs that live in basements and have plenty of time to play ESO all day long. Casuals are mostly adults and people with real-life responsibilities that have less time to play. Obviously, the casuals are the ones who have jobs and access to disposable income, and therefore have far more money to spend in the crown store than the kids who live in their moms' basements.
Seriously though, there's one main reason why game developers don't like to try to cater to the "hardcore" players: They are typically impossible to please.
Look at things like VMA. There's an example of content that probably less than 10% of the playerbase can even complete. Yet how many times do you see posts where someone is complaining (about VMA) that "Oh, it's such a grind. It's not even a challenge anymore. We need something new." Or if not that, things like, "The challenge is all just stupid mechanics. It's not REAL challenge, it's just lazy." Constant complaining about how "easy" something that most of the players of this game will likely never complete.
Yet look at how many people get excited when the release a cool-looking new mount? You know who the vast majority of those people are? Casuals.
Given all this, who would YOU cater to, if you wanted to make money?
LMAO - One of my friends is actually rich in the real world, and used to play this game non-stop. His mother's basement was nowhere to be found.
I take care of my children, do my job, do volunteer work at a community center four days in a week, have two hour conversations with my wife, mow my lawn, read, write songs, watch Netflix, sleep, eat, do research on current events, and drive for a total of two hours everyday. And I play everyday, have a total of 10 characters, 5 of them are veteran ranked, 3 are maxed out. So I'm considered a hardcore player.
Oh, and in case you didn't understand all that. I live in my own house. So I'll just continue to laugh at your narrow-minded a**. And people think I stereotype -LOL.
I thought to hardcore players this was the real world?
Your friend's mother's basement is nowhere to be found - that far downtown huh?
I hope the daily 2 hour conversations with your wife aren't just about ESO, but if you're truly hardcore then they probably are - our sympathies to her!
"OMG look at my dps parse from last night, it was 0.000361% higher than the night before - how kewl is that!"
"Yes dear."
When did this become about you?
About the time Frieza got off the rag.
Right, and Satan's a good fighter.Motto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
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✭The reason the more hardcore playerbase should be catered to is because those players then to stick around longer where casual players play a month or 2 and then there on to the newest shiny game release and never play again.
That's not -quite- what Firor's statement was.
He said the mostly they're seeing players who play for a few weeks or a month, then go away until the next DLC drops at which point those same players purchase the new DLC and come back long enough to play it. Rinse, repeat.
However, none of that is completely relevant. How often a person plays has little bearing on how much money their particular account is worth to ZOS. What ZOS cares about is how often you -pay-.
Whether you subscribe or not is the biggest factor since, on a base level, subscriptions net them more money than non-subscribing players. This is evidenced by all the efforts they are making to encourage subscriptions; craft bags, smaller DLC, etc.
You can play once a year, but as long as you're maintaining that subscription, you're more valuable than the guy who PvP's eight hours a day, but never buys any of the PvE DLC or Crown Store merchandise."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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ThePaleItalian wrote: »Someone please describe "noob" and "casual" to me. Sorry but that is just a trigger for me. No offence but all of us were "noobs" at one point or another, all of us looked at other builds, asked others questions, found things out from other players and needed help at one point or another.
How is a "casual" defined? 5 hours a week? 1 hour a day? Why split them up? Don't we need more players and newer players to help this game grow and thrive?
Congrats on having 8 VR16 characters maxed out, all achievements and max gear. What makes you the special snowflake over other newer players?
This is what causes a toxic player base. Bashing and wanting to separate yourself from players that either are not as "good" as you or play as much as you.
You want hardcore? Go run Vet trials? Still not hard enough for you. Go solo it or run it naked with your fists and no skills.
There will ALWAYS be players with different skill levels and play time. The game cannot cater to either one completely. In order for any MMO to survive and grow it needs to have a stronger community.
Instead of being annoyed with players not up to your "skill" try helping them, trying making them better players and enjoying the game instead of standing above them and bragging about your better shaped pixels and higher stat numbers...
"Noob" wasn't meant as an insult. It just means that you're new to the game and that you don't know a lot about the game. You are right, all of us were noobs at one point. There is no reason to take offense to it. it's just a word to describe someone who is new to something.Main Char: Daggerfall Covenant/ Female/ Khajiit / NA server.1 -
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✭✭✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »
You keep saying that, and I'm pretty sure it's still completely wrong.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Like I stated before, the large portion of the money is not really coming from the casual players. How can that be possible?
Because crown store items are mostly cosmetic crap that provides no functional advantage, I would bet a month's salary that the vast majority of the crown store sales come from the players you would call casuals. They are the ones more likely to go nuts over a new mount or pet, and toss money at "convenience" items like the banker and stuff that gives them more out of their limited playtime.
Also, just for fun, since you seem to like arguments based on stereotypes, I can even make one for this (please note, this is for illustrative purposes only, and is not meant to be taken seriously, or to reflect my actual views):
Hardcore gamers are mostly kids and people with no jobs that live in basements and have plenty of time to play ESO all day long. Casuals are mostly adults and people with real-life responsibilities that have less time to play. Obviously, the casuals are the ones who have jobs and access to disposable income, and therefore have far more money to spend in the crown store than the kids who live in their moms' basements.
Seriously though, there's one main reason why game developers don't like to try to cater to the "hardcore" players: They are typically impossible to please.
Look at things like VMA. There's an example of content that probably less than 10% of the playerbase can even complete. Yet how many times do you see posts where someone is complaining (about VMA) that "Oh, it's such a grind. It's not even a challenge anymore. We need something new." Or if not that, things like, "The challenge is all just stupid mechanics. It's not REAL challenge, it's just lazy." Constant complaining about how "easy" something that most of the players of this game will likely never complete.
Yet look at how many people get excited when the release a cool-looking new mount? You know who the vast majority of those people are? Casuals.
Given all this, who would YOU cater to, if you wanted to make money?
LMAO - One of my friends is actually rich in the real world, and used to play this game non-stop. His mother's basement was nowhere to be found.
I take care of my children, do my job, do volunteer work at a community center four days in a week, have two hour conversations with my wife, mow my lawn, read, write songs, watch Netflix, sleep, eat, do research on current events, and drive for a total of two hours everyday. And I play everyday, have a total of 10 characters, 5 of them are veteran ranked, 3 are maxed out. So I'm considered a hardcore player.
Oh, and in case you didn't understand all that. I live in my own house. So I'll just continue to laugh at your narrow-minded a**. And people think I stereotype -LOL.
I thought to hardcore players this was the real world?
Your friend's mother's basement is nowhere to be found - that far downtown huh?
I hope the daily 2 hour conversations with your wife aren't just about ESO, but if you're truly hardcore then they probably are - our sympathies to her!
"OMG look at my dps parse from last night, it was 0.000361% higher than the night before - how kewl is that!"
"Yes dear."
When did this become about you?
About the time Frieza got off the rag.
Right, and Satan's a good fighter.
Well that depends. We talking about his role in the movie "Citizen Nappa" or off the set?ThePaleItalian wrote: »Someone please describe "noob" and "casual" to me.
Noob is generally intended to demean and/or insult, or even taunt someone. Newb describes a new player and is not meant to be offensive, it's just harmless slang as opposed to its more crude counterpart.
Casual is used to describe a gamer that likes to play at their own pace, takes things in leisure, and/or is not as competitive in things like PvP.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on June 24, 2016 9:06PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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I think there are a few solutions that aren't as complicated.
I'm going to go on a bit of a tangent here, because I feel similar frustration regarding the game's difficulty, though I feel distinguishing between casual and hardcore players is largely unnecessary.
CP isn't the issue since PvE difficulty has been in the toilet long before Champion Points were implemented. Part of the issue was that the difficulty of the main quest was blocking progress. Which is certainly a valid complaint! An ideal solution would have been implementing a difficulty slider or allowing for co-op, cuz y'know multiplayer. ZOS, however, went the way of blanket nerfing the main quest, 1-50, and VR. In doing so they effectively trivialized the content making it a mindless chore to run through rather than engaging the player and presenting a challenge.
And yes, while challenges such as playing naked or in starter gear are always an option, I find it's not terribly rewarding when you have to handicap yourself just to give the boss a chance to beat you. For those who suggest vMoL and vMSA how is an average player supposed to be able to handle that sort of content when the most effective option for handling mobs in 1-50 and VR is standing in the red and continuing to hack away at enemies?
Honestly people give themselves too little credit. If you make the effort to adapt to game play, you will pick it up eventually, and probably sooner than you think. This goes for both casual and hardcore players. Hardcore players aren't born with some innate gaming gene that makes them godly at every game they try.
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MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »
Disclaimer: This thread is not to criticize why people are casuals or hardcore.
Casual Server: . Purchases from the crown store would be low in numbers, because most of the casuals barely know how to use the store, regardless of its simplicity. .
I'd hate to see a thread where someone actually DOES criticise 'casuals'.
Much as I'd hate to see it, I'd still prefer it to this poisonous toxic self-glorifying deluded unsubstantiated passive-aggressive sarcastic humourless pile of absolute bullcrap.
Edited by MuddledMuppet on June 24, 2016 9:25PM4 -
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I see addictive gaming as no different than any other passion. If someone dedicates all their free time to mastering a craft say like the cure for cancer or becoming a guitar virtuoso, they get praise and the unhealthy aspect rarely gets assigned to them. If someone dedicates all their spare time to painting that label doesn't get assigned to them either.In terms of investment- Casual plays in shorts spurts, can be very skilled, picks and chooses what to learn about and usually despise grind.
- Midcore play when they want long or short, can be very skilled, picks and chooses what to learn about and the grind acceptance varies by player.
- Hardcore plays in long durations, can be very skilled, learns everything about the game, and doesn't mind grind as long as it is not over the top.
In terms of playstyle- Carebears don't care about learning or what is best, they just wanna have fun. Fun before everything else.
- Veterans care about learning fundamentals and some advanced stuff, they want to have some fun and some decent challenge.
- Elite want to learn everything about the game, the fun is the challenge, and whoever is not up to par is a detriment.
I know it's not a black and white there are different shades of grey in most people.
Well, I would not say tha carebears do not want to learn the game, they have just a different focus and would not do something, what takes the fun out of the game. I would say that is a pretty healthy and sane mentality. Those who accept boring grind and dedicate all their spare time to gaming are clearly not healthy, but have addiction issues.
You only have one life and what you choose to do with that should be whatever lights you up. If healthy means I have to do only do things I love in short spurts and do other things I don't love as much, then I want to die.
The game dedication thing is not me. But it is not something only kids do. And if that is their passion then I hope they never stop pursuing that for money or just for the experience.
There is a difference between passion and addiction - you can see that anytime, when the server is down - how people crave for getting in again - that is addiction, that is simply not normal and not healthy. Gaming basically replaces their life - it totally consumes it.Edited by Lysette on June 24, 2016 9:17PM2 -
ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lilacgooseberries wrote: »
"Noob" wasn't meant as an insult. It just means that you're new to the game and that you don't know a lot about the game. You are right, all of us were noobs at one point. There is no reason to take offense to it. it's just a word to describe someone who is new to something.
No I understand what it means. I was referring to this comment from the OP.
Disclaimer: This thread is not to criticize why people are casuals or hardcore.
Casual Server: . Purchases from the crown store would be low in numbers, because most of the casuals barely know how to use the store, regardless of its simplicity. .
Its shot at "casual" "noob" players that I cant stand. I cannot play 40 hours a week, hence I am a casual, hence I cant use the crown store...Conan, what is good in life?
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EZgoin76✭✭✭✭Your post is understandable, but you should have left hardcore and casual out of the conversation.I want to change the world. I'm just to lazy to do it.1 -
mlstevens42_ESO✭✭✭There are a variety of types of players and they might not fit into the general drop boxes of casuals or hard core.
Just what is hard core any way? Someone who does group content consistently? Someone who only does group type content? Someone who sits in what ever the latest kwel zone in the bank area showing off the duds they got? Someone who spends over 4 hours every day playing the game?
Further unlike many games this one was based on a world that before it came about was only a single player world. It was very popular as it was so many come here not looking for the typical mmo experience. They are looking for the same sort of experience they had in the single player games with ability to group up once in a while. With this in mind and the fact that not all are as skilled as other players....you might not want a world where things were so difficult that it discourages your former fans (single player gamers ya know skyrim daggerfall morrowind and such) from playing.
The question about hard core versus casuals for how much one spends there are far to many variables to state that one actually spends more then the other save based on the population of each group. Even casuals want to get their horse trained, they need materials and consumables that they may not have time to gather or get cash in game for. This group is more tempted by conveniences of the store. Someone who can spend lots of time in game are less likely buy these items they craft them or can go get them by purchasing them from other players they have the time to get the connections for a source for the items they want and or need. Store items though are not really an indicator whether one is hardcore or casual as most will purchase things like the dlc's regardless or which group they belong to. So spending habits may not be the best indicator.
So is it about who finishes the group- content in vet mode.....? Are they fantastic and well known at pvp? Is this for some reason the stick we are measuring everyone by? While grouping is fun many do not have the time nor the inclination for grouping are they then less valued as a consumer should their desires for content be ignored. Ya know some people have stressful jobs they come here to unwind. Their unwind may not be going through insane mode with their hair on fire to show how studly they are. Maybe all they want to do is pick flowers make a few pots and hit the sack. Is there something wrong with their cash does it not spend or support the game in the same way? Let me assure you there are far more that are just chilling. The hair on fire people are not a majority.
While I might understand the desire for more challenge you have to understand if only 20 people use a resource that is not a good allocation of resources when you have thousands that wouldn't mind another zone to solo quest in. It doesn't matter if those twenty people are on line 24/7.2 -
Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Your post is understandable, but you should have left hardcore and casual out of the conversation.
I really don't see why. Am I suppose to cater to people's sensitivities? For what reason would I not use the terms?
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sekou_trayvond✭✭✭✭✭Francis_Toliver wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »I really think people are reading far too much into Matt Firor's comments in the E3 article. No where did he say "Hardcore players are teh lame, casuals are awesome!!!1!1" Case in point, what are we getting in the next patch?- Two new dungeons that, if the IC dungeons are any indicator, will have very difficult veteran modes, at least to start (for the hardcore folks).
- Scaling up of all the remaining underleveled endgame activities (for the hardcore folks again).
- NO overland, one-shot, OMG faceroll carebear zone or quests (sorry casuals!).
- Character customization / race change (really everyone wants this, but the race change is for hardcore min-maxers).
Update 11 is the closest thing we've had to a hardcore-centric update since Craglorn, or maybe IC. Yet there is almost no end to the "Oh noes ZOS doesn't love me because I play every day!" rhetoric. *sigh*
What makes you think I even read the article you just mentioned? I have no idea what you're speaking of.
Okay, enlighten us. Why are you salty about the whole causal vs hardcore thing? Were you aware that the next update is mostly hardcore-friendly? What exactly is your problem?
As stated by many before me, "the game has become extremely easy". The new Gold Coast is too easy. Where did the challenge go? So I wanted to make a point what separate servers, meant for a particular player base, would look like.
So again, were you aware that the next update is mostly hardcore-friendly? Does it not make sense for ZOS to cater to both crowds and maximize their profits?
It makes perfect sense. And yes, I'm aware of the content coming. But it remains to be seen whether or not it poses a challenge. And just for the record, I never claimed the 'C' players shouldn't be catered to. I was comparing the two, and was expressing my views as to why the 'H' community should be focused on more - that's how I feel. "Hardcore" for me, means the people that are playing more and have become better at the game because of it.
No, that is not how you "feel". That is how you think.
I feel happy. I feel sad. You "feel" frustrated because you are not getting what you want.
We "feel" annoyed because you are trying to argue based on untrue statements you can't back up.
If you had simply created a thread with the heading "I think I should get what I want because I play the game more hours then you", perhaps we wouldn't "feel" annoyed with all your complaining. We would still be laughing at you, but we wouldn't "feel" annoyed.
A feeling is an emotion. A belief is a thought, a concept. A person that tries to defend his beliefs by stating them as feelings is usually doing so because they are unable to defend those beliefs based on facts.
Shut. It. Down.
Frank dropping knowledge like Magic dropping dimes.
#PhilosophyFTW
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EZgoin76✭✭✭✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »
Because the definition for either one is so broad that instead of focusing on the point of your OP and having a definitive discussion about the difficulty of the game. You decided, intentionally or not, to agitate an entire community of gamers.
Way to derail your thread before it even starts. Thumbs up to you. Congrats.
Edit: btw.... I'm a casual that's plays nearly everyday since console launch. I sub, bought the dlc's seperate, and buy crowns too.Edited by EZgoin76 on June 24, 2016 10:03PMI want to change the world. I'm just to lazy to do it.2 -
Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »Lilacgooseberries wrote: »
"Noob" wasn't meant as an insult. It just means that you're new to the game and that you don't know a lot about the game. You are right, all of us were noobs at one point. There is no reason to take offense to it. it's just a word to describe someone who is new to something.
No I understand what it means. I was referring to this comment from the OP.
Disclaimer: This thread is not to criticize why people are casuals or hardcore.
Casual Server: . Purchases from the crown store would be low in numbers, because most of the casuals barely know how to use the store, regardless of its simplicity. .
Its shot at "casual" "noob" players that I cant stand. I cannot play 40 hours a week, hence I am a casual, hence I cant use the crown store...
I have been asked by multiple players how to use the Crown Store, or where it is, and why aren't the points showing up? Don't concern yourself with my beliefs if you don't agree with them. You'll have greater peace of mind if you don't treat by opinions as facts, and give even less concern as to whether or not I believe them to be such.
The comment was not intended to be insulting. Sorry for any confusion in that regard. It was meant as an observational statement.Edited by Ethromelb14_ESO on June 24, 2016 10:13PMMotto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
I keep forgetting to remember to get a photographic memory.0 -
MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Lilacgooseberries wrote: »
"Noob" wasn't meant as an insult. It just means that you're new to the game and that you don't know a lot about the game. You are right, all of us were noobs at one point. There is no reason to take offense to it. it's just a word to describe someone who is new to something.
No I understand what it means. I was referring to this comment from the OP.
Disclaimer: This thread is not to criticize why people are casuals or hardcore.
Casual Server: . Purchases from the crown store would be low in numbers, because most of the casuals barely know how to use the store, regardless of its simplicity. .
Its shot at "casual" "noob" players that I cant stand. I cannot play 40 hours a week, hence I am a casual, hence I cant use the crown store...
I have been asked by multiple players how to use the Crown Store, or where it is, and why aren't the points showing up? Don't concern yourself with my beliefs if you don't agree with them. You'll have greater peace of mind if you don't treat by opinions as facts, and give even less concern as to whether or not I believe them to be such.
The comment was not intended to be insulting. Sorry for any confusion in that regard. I was meant as an observational statement.
Ridiculous. You clearly started 'most'. Not most known by you. I'm also pretty sure that 'most' people are definitely not treating your opinions as facts.0 -
Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭MuddledMuppet wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Lilacgooseberries wrote: »
"Noob" wasn't meant as an insult. It just means that you're new to the game and that you don't know a lot about the game. You are right, all of us were noobs at one point. There is no reason to take offense to it. it's just a word to describe someone who is new to something.
No I understand what it means. I was referring to this comment from the OP.
Disclaimer: This thread is not to criticize why people are casuals or hardcore.
Casual Server: . Purchases from the crown store would be low in numbers, because most of the casuals barely know how to use the store, regardless of its simplicity. .
Its shot at "casual" "noob" players that I cant stand. I cannot play 40 hours a week, hence I am a casual, hence I cant use the crown store...
I have been asked by multiple players how to use the Crown Store, or where it is, and why aren't the points showing up? Don't concern yourself with my beliefs if you don't agree with them. You'll have greater peace of mind if you don't treat by opinions as facts, and give even less concern as to whether or not I believe them to be such.
The comment was not intended to be insulting. Sorry for any confusion in that regard. It was meant as an observational statement.
Ridiculous. You clearly started 'most'. Not most known by you. I'm also pretty sure that 'most' people are definitely not treating your opinions as facts.
That's right my comment was a general one, and is still based on my own personal experiences. What's ridiculous is your focus on the word "most". You make it painfully obvious you're not part of the minority, and therefore, feel the need to bicker over it. Ignoring the fact that also apologized. Get over it!Edited by Ethromelb14_ESO on June 24, 2016 10:12PMMotto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
I keep forgetting to remember to get a photographic memory.0 -
MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »MuddledMuppet wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Lilacgooseberries wrote: »
"Noob" wasn't meant as an insult. It just means that you're new to the game and that you don't know a lot about the game. You are right, all of us were noobs at one point. There is no reason to take offense to it. it's just a word to describe someone who is new to something.
No I understand what it means. I was referring to this comment from the OP.
Disclaimer: This thread is not to criticize why people are casuals or hardcore.
Casual Server: . Purchases from the crown store would be low in numbers, because most of the casuals barely know how to use the store, regardless of its simplicity. .
Its shot at "casual" "noob" players that I cant stand. I cannot play 40 hours a week, hence I am a casual, hence I cant use the crown store...
I have been asked by multiple players how to use the Crown Store, or where it is, and why aren't the points showing up? Don't concern yourself with my beliefs if you don't agree with them. You'll have greater peace of mind if you don't treat by opinions as facts, and give even less concern as to whether or not I believe them to be such.
The comment was not intended to be insulting. Sorry for any confusion in that regard. It was meant as an observational statement.
Ridiculous. You clearly started 'most'. Not most known by you. I'm also pretty sure that 'most' people are definitely not treating your opinions as facts.
That's right my comment was a general one, and is still based on my own personal experiences. What's ridiculous is your focus on the word "most". You make it painfully obvious you're not part of the minority, and therefore, feel the need to bicker over it. Ignoring the fact that also apologized. Get over it!
Nothing to 'get over'. You didn't apologise for the insult, you apologised for 'confusion where none exists, a definitive non-apology. Apologise properly and seem like you mean it and it will stand a chance of being accepted.2 -
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✭OP, perhaps start a leave campaign? Maybe call it Tamriexit?
Don't worry, it won't make you look arrogant or anything.
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Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
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[Deleted User]Soul ShrivenHello everyone,
While we understand there was no intention of inciting any member that jumped into this thread, but it seems this discussion has become quite derailed. This discussion has become more over what side of the player base is worth more than the other, and avocados. With this in mind, we've felt it necessary to close the thread and end the discussion. For further posts please be sure to keep the Forum Rules in mind, to avoid inciting other members.
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