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What's with all the wingless butterflies?
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✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »The problem is all these jerk players going around grabbing the butterflies, taking the wings, and leaving the insect parts.
So when you show up, they are just wingless carcasses floating in the wind.
People need to learn some manners.
That's definitely not the issue as otherwise both torchbugs would be missing their thorax rather than 1 having one and the other not having one. It just to me seems like it's a 50% drop rate for Torchbugs and probably about a 25% drop rate for butterfly wings.
butterflies should have you know, wings. Naturally they'd have 2 but I can be okay with 1 per butterfly.
I actually found what @FortheloveofKrist said to be true... followed a player harvesting butterflies and found they would take wings from the ones on their path but not go after butterflies slightly out of their way, which is where I was finding wings. They were leaving the 'parts' so the butterfly would never respawn with the wings- the only way they will respawn is to collect ALL of the parts; sometimes makes me wonder if some players do this on purpose to keep the cost up... by keeping the respawn down. After all, how many players that come looking for wings actually bother to harvest the lone 'parts'- even though doing so will allow the butterfly to respawn for the next player?
However, I also believe that because butterflies are so abundant, unlike nodes, that the respawn on wings is much less because of the abundance of butterfly gatherings.CP: 2130 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »The problem is all these jerk players going around grabbing the butterflies, taking the wings, and leaving the insect parts.
So when you show up, they are just wingless carcasses floating in the wind.
People need to learn some manners.
That's definitely not the issue as otherwise both torchbugs would be missing their thorax rather than 1 having one and the other not having one. It just to me seems like it's a 50% drop rate for Torchbugs and probably about a 25% drop rate for butterfly wings.
butterflies should have you know, wings. Naturally they'd have 2 but I can be okay with 1 per butterfly.
I think you may have missed the winky face.
Well, i was just in another thread where someone seriously thought that was an issue with the runestones, someone stealing the potency rune and leaving the other 2
1. I've done that.
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✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »The problem is all these jerk players going around grabbing the butterflies, taking the wings, and leaving the insect parts.
So when you show up, they are just wingless carcasses floating in the wind.
People need to learn some manners.
That's definitely not the issue as otherwise both torchbugs would be missing their thorax rather than 1 having one and the other not having one. It just to me seems like it's a 50% drop rate for Torchbugs and probably about a 25% drop rate for butterfly wings.
butterflies should have you know, wings. Naturally they'd have 2 but I can be okay with 1 per butterfly.
I actually found what @FortheloveofKrist said to be true... followed a player harvesting butterflies and found they would take wings from the ones on their path but not go after butterflies slightly out of their way, which is where I was finding wings. They were leaving the 'parts' so the butterfly would never respawn with the wings- the only way they will respawn is to collect ALL of the parts; sometimes makes me wonder if some players do this on purpose to keep the cost up... by keeping the respawn down. After all, how many players that come looking for wings actually bother to harvest the lone 'parts'- even though doing so will allow the butterfly to respawn for the next player?
However, I also believe that because butterflies are so abundant, unlike nodes, that the respawn on wings is much less because of the abundance of butterfly gatherings.
I believe that taking the wings and leaving the insect parts is an exception, not the rule. I rarely see anyone stop for butterflies and torchbugs. I doubt most players know that you can get wings and a thorax from them. I do stop at them, but not all of them, and I take everything. I figure I get a wing or thorax around 1 in 10 times, but I do admit that I have never counted.
Just because you come across nodes that don't have wings or a thorax does not mean someone came along and took them, leaving the insect parts behind. It is more likely that no one has even touched the node.
Now, if you come across one that has wings or a thorax, but no insect parts, you are following an evil fisherman looking for bait.
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✭✭✭✭✭All jokes aside, has anyone noticed that the drop rate of wings from butterflies is substantially less than that of thoraxes from torchbugs? I'm seeing like 1/3 to 1/2 the drop rate compared to thoraxes.Edited by code65536 on June 20, 2016 12:53PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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I have found the best place for butterflies and torchbugs is Wrothgar, they are all over the place. And each wayshrine has at least 4 of them hovering really close.The butterflies and torchbugs are not found in concentrated areas, they're spread out here and there in the environment.0 -
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✭You kill a spider youre pretty much guaranteed to find spider sacks or whatsitcalled, if you harvest a butterfly you find wings in 1 out of 10. Dunno why, but its kinda annoying
It's definitely RNG. And not every insect drops Alchemy ingredients at the same rate. Fleshflies drop green ingredients way less than Torchbugs, for example. So they are more time consuming to farm.
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Animal_Mother✭✭✭✭I thyink we are missing the obvious:
Butterflies without wings = caterpillars.
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✭✭✭✭✭I was amused the first time I opened a heavy sack and found four butterfly wings.
The second and third and fourth times, not so much.signing off0 -
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It's butterflies and torchbugs that are a problem not having a 100% drop rate.
The frustration that you feel when you go after a torchbug and don't get the thorax, is pretty much the same as mine when I lay waste to a herd of welwa and get ... nothing.
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✭✭✭✭✭medusasfolly wrote: »I have found the best place for butterflies and torchbugs is Wrothgar, they are all over the place. And each wayshrine has at least 4 of them hovering really close.
This is my fave spot to farm butterflies as well ... especially along the central coast where the views are nice.0 -
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If they find something to climb in order to reach them in the air XDFYI I'm harvesting with a lithe Wood Elf nightblade assassin, they're quite dextrous I'd thinkEdited by magnusthorek on June 21, 2016 12:35AMI am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
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✭✭✭✭✭It's not that they don't have wings, it's just that you're a lousy lepidopterist.
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »The problem is all these jerk players going around grabbing the butterflies, taking the wings, and leaving the insect parts.
So when you show up, they are just wingless carcasses floating in the wind.
People need to learn some manners.
That's definitely not the issue as otherwise both torchbugs would be missing their thorax rather than 1 having one and the other not having one. It just to me seems like it's a 50% drop rate for Torchbugs and probably about a 25% drop rate for butterfly wings.
butterflies should have you know, wings. Naturally they'd have 2 but I can be okay with 1 per butterfly.
I actually found what @FortheloveofKrist said to be true... followed a player harvesting butterflies and found they would take wings from the ones on their path but not go after butterflies slightly out of their way, which is where I was finding wings. They were leaving the 'parts' so the butterfly would never respawn with the wings- the only way they will respawn is to collect ALL of the parts; sometimes makes me wonder if some players do this on purpose to keep the cost up... by keeping the respawn down. After all, how many players that come looking for wings actually bother to harvest the lone 'parts'- even though doing so will allow the butterfly to respawn for the next player?
However, I also believe that because butterflies are so abundant, unlike nodes, that the respawn on wings is much less because of the abundance of butterfly gatherings.
Me. Always pick all the things. None of this half node looting business.0 -
keto3000✭✭✭You kill a spider youre pretty much guaranteed to find spider sacks or whatsitcalled, if you harvest a butterfly you find wings in 1 out of 10. Dunno why, but its kinda annoying
We need a freakin' butterfly net! lol
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bee_tiswasnot✭✭✭Whatzituyah wrote: »How can they even fly if they don't have wings?
This is my big worry. I am beginning to appreciate that some parts of this game simply aren't realistic (-:
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bee_tiswasnot✭✭✭Most alchemy nodes, you see it, you loot it, you get a reagent, sometimes two if you have the appropriate champion perk. With butterflies and torchbugs, they act like a node in that you aren't fighting them you're just looting them, but most of the time, you don't get an alchemy reagent out of it. There are so many wingless butterflies and torchbugs missing 1/3 of their body that I have to wonder what is up with Tamriel's ecosystem? Did we get in a nuclear war recently so all the insects are mutants?
This is because of a group of ex-gankers, who have formed a clan that does nothing else but troll butterflies. None of them are any more than ten years old and if their parents had any idea what they were doing...
Seriously, only about one butterfly in three has wings. There was a thread somewhere else on this subject and (sad, but true) I went and picked 60 butterflies in Wrothgar, of which only 20 had any means of flying. The rest were just thoraces defying gravity.
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XDragonDoomX✭✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »The problem is all these jerk players going around grabbing the butterflies, taking the wings, and leaving the insect parts.
So when you show up, they are just wingless carcasses floating in the wind.
People need to learn some manners.
That's definitely not the issue as otherwise both torchbugs would be missing their thorax rather than 1 having one and the other not having one. It just to me seems like it's a 50% drop rate for Torchbugs and probably about a 25% drop rate for butterfly wings.
butterflies should have you know, wings. Naturally they'd have 2 but I can be okay with 1 per butterfly.
I think you may have missed the winky face.
Well, i was just in another thread where someone seriously thought that was an issue with the runestones, someone stealing the potency rune and leaving the other 2
1. I've done that.
2. It isn't stealing.
No, its not stealing, but since the runestone doesn't respawn for yourself or anyone else, its bad manners & poor gamesmanship.
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✭✭tinythinker wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »The problem is all these jerk players going around grabbing the butterflies, taking the wings, and leaving the insect parts.
So when you show up, they are just wingless carcasses floating in the wind.
People need to learn some manners.
That's definitely not the issue as otherwise both torchbugs would be missing their thorax rather than 1 having one and the other not having one. It just to me seems like it's a 50% drop rate for Torchbugs and probably about a 25% drop rate for butterfly wings.
butterflies should have you know, wings. Naturally they'd have 2 but I can be okay with 1 per butterfly.
I think you may have missed the winky face.
Well, i was just in another thread where someone seriously thought that was an issue with the runestones, someone stealing the potency rune and leaving the other 2
1. I've done that.
2. It isn't stealing.
It kind of is... It stops the node from regenerating so someone else doesn't get the chance to harvest a full complement.
Like taking a flower but leaving the worms.0 -
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✭My guess,
case 1:
You see columbine node. YOU GO YEAHHHH and rush to it. You hit E and all you see is a WORM. WHY you ask? Cos some newb looted just the flower and left the worm. So you still see node but without the flower.
Case 2:
Butterfly. You pick up. Only body. Cos someone looted just wings.
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