Armitas wrote: »

I wanted to see what people thought about this before I add it.

Empowering chains.
I chose the empowering chains morph because it was my only option as a PvP mDK if I wanted to gap close. However I immediately lamented the loss of pull chains when I returned to tanking in PvE. It's really one of the staples of a DK tank to have chains so that we can pull mobs into a pile with chains and talons. I would like to see this morph pull first and push if pull fails. The main reason we wanted them separated is because tanks were getting pulled away from the group unexpectedly. PvE tanks can pick unrelenting grip if they want a pull only chain now. So Empowering can do both again.

Having a pull push chain opens up so many tactical opportunities in PvP than simply a gap closer would allow. I have forced group wipes so many times through pull chains and killing an entire raid 1 at a time in a keep defense. But that option is no longer there and I'm missing out on a big tactical advantage. Sure there is always a possibility that you will get pulled to the enemy group but that is also a risk you can chose not to take by not casting it which is no different then now as it is currently only a forward gap closer.

personally dont like not knowing which is why it was changed in the first place to be two distinct morphs.

You didn't tag me and that is understandable, but I think what would make magic dk completely viable in pvp if one of the morphs of sea of flames made our fire dots un cleanse/purge able. Like force siphon or weakness to elements, a cast spells that makes your dots stick to that enemy.

This would make 1v1 vs all classes viable as a our main source of pressure damage and heals comes from dots, which evert class can just purge away

Ishammael wrote: »

Leo,
I'm writing up my changes to include -- probably won't give you my email address. (I'll post them here)
~Ish

is this because you are a super secret spy?

yodased wrote: »

You didn't tag me and that is understandable, but I think what would make magic dk completely viable in pvp if one of the morphs of sea of flames made our fire dots un cleanse/purge able. Like force siphon or weakness to elements, a cast spells that makes your dots stick to that enemy.

This would make 1v1 vs all classes viable as a our main source of pressure damage and heals comes from dots, which evert class can just purge away

was taking names from a other thread and didnt see you in there! ill add that suggestion

yodased wrote: »

You didn't tag me and that is understandable, but I think what would make magic dk completely viable in pvp if one of the morphs of sea of flames made our fire dots un cleanse/purge able. Like force siphon or weakness to elements, a cast spells that makes your dots stick to that enemy.

This would make 1v1 vs all classes viable as a our main source of pressure damage and heals comes from dots, which evert class can just purge away

Seeing as DK's primary damage is DoTs, I could live with this, provided it's limited to a single target at a time.

I've seen the idea tossed around that purged DoTs should do X% of their remaining damage… I like this idea as well, but it'd have to be a universal change and not just DK specific.

First, many thanks to @DKsUnite for your hard work both here and in countless other threads over the last two years. Hopefully the Developers acknowledge your time by taking these suggestions seriously.

Class Vision
I think it helps to understand proposed changes by first understanding what is expected of and hoped for the class. I view the DK as an attrition-based class. That is, the DK should become stronger and more dangerous the longer the fight persists. His tool kit should reflect that by offering DoTs, HoTs, and superb resource management.

ARDENT FLAME:

Battle Standard - Base ultimate cost reduced from 250 to 200.
Standard of Might - Ultimate cost reduced from 250 to 200.

Fiery Grip
Empowering Chains - Consider changing to a teleport that sets target off balance, deals flame damage, and deals a small AoE DoT. Potentially remove Empower to balance.

Lava Whip - I hesitate to suggest a damage boost at the moment. I think that if our defense is buffed elsewhere, we could spec more into damage thus buffing this skill.

Inferno - Base ability now provides both Major Prophecy and Major Savagery while slotted. When activated, surround yourself in 8m flames dealing X damage per second for 15 seconds.
Flames of Oblivion - Flame damage now increases by X% every 2 seconds.
Cauterize - When activated, surround yourself in 8m healing flames that heal yourself and allies for X healing every second for 15 seconds.

DRACONIC POWER

Dragon Leap - Reduced cost from 125 ultimate to 110 and range increased to 28m from 20m become baseline.
Take Flight - Deals X physical damage and grants minor protection for 5 seconds upon landing.
Ferocious Leap - Deals X magic damage and no longer grants a shield, but now leaves a pool of molten fire at your landing location that deals X damage over 5 seconds.

Spiked Armor
Skill changed to "Juggernaut" - While slotted, gain Minor Magicka and Stamina regeneration. Activate to gain Major Evasion and Minor Protection for 10 seconds.
Serpent's Momentum - Also grants Major Expedition on activation
Serpent's Fury - Grants Minor Berserk on activation

Dragon's Blood - No longer affected by Battle Spirit. Instantly heals you for 25% of your MAXIMUM health and an additional X health over 20 seconds. Also grants Major Fortitude.

Inhale - Now also reduces the delay between the Inhale and Exhale by 10% per enemy hit. At 6 targets hit, delay would be reduced to 1.5 seconds from 2.5 seconds.

Elder Dragon - Rank 1 grants Major Resolve while any Draconic Power ability is active. Rank 2 grants Major Resolve and Major Ward while any Draconic Power ability is active.

EARTHEN HEART

Magma Armor - Duration increased so that the duration is around 15 seconds with 2 points invested into the Eternal Mountain passive.
Magma Shell - Increase the range of the shield. Shield no longer affected by battle spirit.

Stone Fist - I will take literally anything else. Literally anything.

Molten Weapons - Baseline effect now includes +40% heavy attack damage.
Molten Armaments - In addition to current effects, light and heavy attacks have a change to deal X flame damage over 2 seconds.

Helping Hands - Now also grants Minor Heroism for 5 seconds while activating an Earthen Heart ability while in combat.

Great idea and I truly hope they appreciate the time and effort going into something like this. I'll have to take a closer look and see if I come up with suggestions of my own.

Well done and well thought out! Captured most of the suggestions I've seen about mDKs. I added a few thoughts to the Google doc.

Ishammael's suggestions:


Standard of Might
- I think this is OK. Because the list of buffs is so good, and its the #1 PvE ultimate, it should stay.

Shifting Standard
- Keep and heal debuff as-is
- Add a HoT and Minor Protection to allies that stand in the area of effect

Empowering Chains
- Remove Major Expedition and Empower
- Rework the "out-to-in" animation so that your character immediately moves forward when cast (like Invasion).
- Add a 2s knockdown and ~5s Major Breach
- The damage component should be an AoE fire DoT similar to Volatile Armor

Burning Embers
- Strong skill, no changes

Flame Lash
- Disagree on damage buffs
- DK damage is, and should be, the set of compiled DoTs on your opponent -- DK damage should come from outlasting your opponent.
- If DK receives defensive buffs, damage on whip will be fine because the DK player will be allowed to make better gearing choices to increase damage.

Inferno
- Skill has been useless since 1.5, needs to be completely re-worked
- Has the coolest animation of any skill in the entire game -- please keep this animation!!!!!!
- Morph 1: 6m range, AoE DoT that scales damage based on how long the opponent stands in its range.
- Morph 2: AoE HoT that scales the heal based on how many enemies are within range
- Do NOT make this a toggle
- Do NOT make this drain mana
- Choose an appropriate duration according to the power of the skill: 10s or so

Dragon Leap
- Good for stam builds. No changes.

Volatile Armor
- Strong skill, increase damage returned by ~10%

Hardened Armor
- Shield and Ward are two difference defense mechanisms -- don't think they should be on the same skill
- Remove shield
- Add Minor protection
- Now the player has to choose between a damage morph and a defensive morph

Burning Talons
- Probably the best DK skill now. No changes

Choking Talons
- Should do Magic damage. Otherwise the damage debuff is really strong.

Dragon Blood
- Leo, your analysis of the Health vs Magicka vs Stam trade is spot-on. To summarize: for ALL stam and magicka builds except mDK the primary damage resource is also the primary healing resource, e.g. if I increase my damage I also increase my defense.
- Dragon Blood is completely non-competitive in this environment.
- Proposed solution: simply exclude from the Battle spirit debuff.
- Replace GDB buffs with their "Minor" variants as they are redundant with potions

Reflective Plate
- Remove Minor Ward, its ***
- Increase projectiles reflected to 8
- CRITICAL: For both Reflective and Dragon Fire Scale, if a reflected skill contains a DoT component or a debuff (e.g. Venom arrow, Lethal injection) and that projectile is reflected, the DoT/Debuff STILL APPLIES to the DK. This, in most cases, completely defeats the purpose of the reflect. This should be recognized as a bug and fixed.

Dragon Fire Scale
- Good skill. No changes.

Draw Essence
- This skill was hugely nerfed when the number of targets increased to 6.
- It used to return mana based on the total damage done to targets. The current version which refends 10% of original cost per target is complete junk compared to the interrupt on Deep Breath

Elder Dragon
- Remove Health Recovery
- Make this reduce the duration of debuffs by 20%

Scaled Armor
- Should also give physical resist of same amount

Corrosive Armor
- Add spell penetration

Obsidian Shard
- Reduce cost by 20%
- Add Minor Maim

Stone Giant
- Re-work into a stamina skill
- Physical Damage

Igneous Weapons
- Small amount of AoE fire damage (6m, ~6k, like Voltaile)
- Five minor buffs: Ward, Resolve, Heroism, Sorcery, Brutality for 20s

Molten Armaments
- Good skill, leave as-is

Igneous Shield
- Good skill, no need to change

Fragmented Shield
- Simply boost the damage

Fossilize / Shattering Rocks
- Both are excellent choices. Leave as-is.

Eruption
- Good skill, leave as is. (especially for PvE)

Cinder Storm
- Used to be my favorite skill in the entire game
- Change to be ground-targeted at your feet like it used to be
- Add Major Evasion while standing in it.
- Reduce the snare to 20%.

Mountain's Blessing
- Remove Minor Brutality -- it is now on Igneous Weapons
- Rework the ultimate gain functionality
- The DK should be awarded ultimate for high-risk actions. For instance: award X ultimate when health drops below 50% and 2*X when below 25%.
- Cooldown: 2s
- Suggested X = 5.

What I want to see most is improvements to inferno/cauterize and dragon blood.

I also think the major mending buff from igneous shield should last longer. It was actually nerfed from 7 seconds to 6 when the shield durations were changed, while templars still have a 20 second major mending via their "house". At least make igneous shield's mending buff last 12 seconds.

DKsUnite wrote: »

Jormasaurus wrote: »

Great idea and I truly hope they appreciate the time and effort going into something like this. I'll have to take a closer look and see if I come up with suggestions of my own.

was wondering if you had a forum account >.> guess i found ya now >:D

I hardly comment on anything but I read the forums on a daily basis.

Make Power Lash deal increased damage to low health enemies. (They still need to be off balance for this effect, hence Power Lash.)

Make Dragon Blood hit for a burst heal, followed by a HoT. After all, visually it appears that your heart is pumping excessively strong for awhile after you activate it.

Buff dragon blood.

Dragon blood should be unaffected by battle spirit, but capped at like a 10k heal or something so we don't have DK's running around with 50k health getting 30k+ heals being stupid op. Also having ways of getting major/minor heroism would help a lot in outnumbered/small-scale fights. Have ferocious leap, one of the morphs of leap, be a magicka morph. 3 quick ideas have

psychotic13 wrote: »

You're all asking for like every skill to be changed, dreams don't come true in this game.

Hence why I wrote I don't think everything should be done but giving suggestions on everything gives a better chance they will take something from the list