ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Yo, @ZOS_AntonioP , which word was problematic?

Just for future reference so I don't use it again.

Hello there,

The word we've felt necessary to remove was the term "cancer". Reason being that it was found insensitive to some members. Though there are many meanings behind the term, I'm sure it was not used to refer to Nightblades as a astrological sign.

We appreciate your understanding.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Replace Nightblades with people and you got an agree from me. Limited intelligence mixed with anger and displeasure with a side of anonymity is the problem.

This X 100

I think balance in PvP should be a game of rock, paper, scissors.

Nightblades SHOULD be able to sneak up and toast soft mage targets but weak against tanks
Tanks SHOULD be able to defend against NBs due to mitigation but be weak against magic
Sorc SHOULD be able to roast tanks in the shell, but should watch their backs against stealth

Templars should not be able to kill a damn thing, but should be able to self heal until you wear yourself out (like clubber Lang in Rocky III) then smite your little ass.

If it's not working that way, it does indeed need a bit of fixing.

Just my 2 cents

Bouldercleave wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Yo, @ZOS_AntonioP , which word was problematic?

Just for future reference so I don't use it again.

Hello there,

The word we've felt necessary to remove was the term "cancer". Reason being that it was found insensitive to some members. Though there are many meanings behind the term, I'm sure it was not used to refer to Nightblades as a astrological sign.

We appreciate your understanding.

So glad to see this. Can we report people for calling it you or a friend in game? Would there be any warnings to repeat offenders who use it in that way? I can take name calling, well tbh, all the **** under the sun but I really dislike this new trend, the way it's repeated by everyone. Its disgusting and insensitive and doesn't match the ESO community I've grown fond of over the past 2 years.

But it's not disgusting to see "L2P" all over the place, as well as "Git good" and other inflammatory remarks? That's not insensitive, especially when often times the people being told this have been around longer than the poster saying it? As well as probably has more knowledge of a topic in discussion that they're being told to "l2p" at...? And you trying to get people punished for that, when you have blatant exploiters and hackers running about, and boasting of their light penalties? And that has your jimmies rustled?

This is the Internet... And while I am not saying that others should be insensitive, I highly advise you obtain "thicker skin". Because if something as mild as that bothers you so, I highly advise you NEVER set foot on a FPS game community. Or any fighting game community for that matter. Matter of a fact, don't even touch those game genres. And if you do, restrict your connectivity to those within it heavily. Especially if it is Rated "M" (for mature), and the company takes the "M" rating seriously. Allowing profanity and other things (to a certain degree).

Last I checked, L2P wasn't a potentially terminal illness that affects tens of thousands of people per year which probably doesn't need to be made light of.

Instead of the C word, maybe we should call Nightblades the "Herpes" of Tamrial

Then when you get ganked by one you can yell out in zone chat "I got ganked by the Herps!"

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Now before I get into what I have to say, let me say this: I do in fact have a Nightblade. I have 2 of them. 1 of them is magicka and the other is stamina. Both of them I've completed VMA with numerous times. The magicka one I've gotten flawless conquerer with. I also have managed to have an overall higher K/D ratio with my Nightblades than any other class in PVP, as for every death I have maybe 8 or 9 kills. If not more. So I understand the class quite well, and am not "just salty". Everything I'm about to say comes from experience with the class and what the mentality the class puts you in, and why it is such a bad thing for a game like ESO.

So first off, let's talk about the mentality the class puts you in. The class makes you feel indestructible. The class makes you feel immortal. It makes you feel god-like (according to numerous others). Why? Because you can put out insane amounts of damage, all the while healing yourself at the same exact time. But what's different from this and say something like the Templar's jabs or Sorcerer's attacks with surge, is the sheer amount of damage being done and recovery being received. It's ridiculous. And it's because of this that people will often suggest to others that if you want to succeed in VMA, to take a Nightblade. Actually, come to think of it? I see people tell beginners to create Nightblades if they're relatively new to the game. Because of the amount of damage you can do, the healing you'll receive, and the numerous situations you can cheese your way through. Can't handle a certain mob you've aggro'd or things getting too hot to handle!? Simply cloak and voila. You can make your escape. And even better, you can continue to do so without a penalty being applied like bolt escape. Where as the more you use it, the more and more the cost of it will increase. Nope. You can just cloak as much as you like.

Now on a different aspect of the psychology of a Nightblade, it makes you gather-up with all the other Nightblades and defend the class when targeted by other players for nerfs or rebalancing. Here. I'll elaborate. If you had access to something that was incredibly useful (regardless of how unfair it was to other classes), would you want it taken away? No. And so naturally you'll do any and everything to deflect the attention away from that special something. To insure it never gets rebalanced and checked, and to try and receive more buffs to it. And ZOS just keeps listening to these Nightblade mains time after time, and buffing them. All the while throwing them bone after bone. There is so much bias and favoritism toward the Nightblade class, that it's pathetic. We have had 4 DLC's now... 4. And of those 4, Nightblades excel and shine at 3 of them. 4 technically, as Maelstrom Arena is the easiest to do with Nighyblades. Both on normal and veteran difficulties.

So where is the so-called "class balance"? Because if anyone thinks Nightblades were ever balanced, I have a hard time taking you serious. And I have been around since beta days, and NB's always seemed to have the most unfair advantages over other classes. Always. Even when people claimed "Block-Knights" and other Dragonknight builds were the most broken of broken (pre-1.6 and 1.6 days), Nightblades managed to shut them down the most.

And as always, they flew right under the radar of ZOS' "class balancing" due to their numerous complaints and whines of how the class is fine. And how doing that and this would "ruin the class beyond repair". Well now, those same people have gotten Sorcerers to become ruined beyond repair, and now say baiting comments like, "Sorc tears are delicious." They'll say, "Git gud and L2P". All the while basically zerging the forums in a sense (massive gathering of NB's), and flaming and trolling anyone who speaks out against Nightblades being "rebalanced". It's disgusting, and @Wrobel and @ZOS_RichLambert and @ZOS_MattFiror and the other developers (I don't know their forum name to tag them in) involved with "class balancing" have no one else but themselves to blame for this mess. And they should feel very bad for what they've done, as it is a shame that now for 4 DLC releases in a row? Nightblades are the best class for just about any role. Absolutely ridiculous. So I'm pretty sure that explains the problematic nature of most Nightblades.

You want so-called balance, ESO devs? Buff everyone to the Nightblade class' level, or give them the same treatment you've been giving Sorcerers patch after patch. Make their cloak cost increase with each use if done continuously like bolt escape. Make their fear/Mass Hysteria last 3-5 seconds (at max). "Rebalance" some of their ridiculous passives, and or tone them down like you did Sorcerers. How you have a skill that Sorcerers use be a passive for another class? LMAO! What? But that's balanced? Yeah, no.

Also, to add onto things. Out of curiosity, when TG was about and the whole "cake event" came about... Which class was being created the most...? It was Nightblades. And why is this? Because of the reasons I listed above. In fact, this event also marked the birth of a title called "Cake Blades". All due to the high amount of people shifting to Nightblades at this opportunity. And am I saying people didn't make other classes besides Nightblades? No. But I'm rather saying which was the most frequent.

Oh and on the topic of frequency... Which class do people tend to encounter the most in Cyrodiil? It tends to be Nightblades. And I wonder why it is. Lol. And it doesn't help either that Vicious Death came about, and further boosted Nightblade's potency. And sure, someone could say, "Don't run in groups, and keep yourself spaced out." But who are you really kidding? People are going to pack together and group-up tightly. It's just human nature to do so. When you join Cyrodiil you often hear as soon as you're in, "I have a pretty big group, who wants to join?" Or, "Looking for group." So it's natural for people (generally speaking) to want to do so. And while the combination of VD and the other skills these "Suicide Blades" use has no resource management and sustain — the damage it does makes up for it. It's a ridiculous amount of burst coming out of stealth when paired with things like Proxy Detonation and Soul Tether as well as Lotus Fan and what not. Capable of melting entire zergs (which it often does). And the frequency that was done and is done currently is through the roof. And there were how many complaints made about that combo here on the forums and in-game...? I know people who quit PVP and ESO entirely due to that very same combo being the culprit.

So really, how are Nightblades not a problem to ESO and its community? Seriously, how is it not? I genuinely want to know. Because from what I see and hear day in and day out is a damn shame. And the devs just refusing to acknowledge the problem they've created, and realize just how far out of control the problem has grown. Sounds like a problem to me.

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