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Everything is overpriced, game requires so much grind - RNG gods are evil
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✭✭✭✭✭I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.Edited by Lysette on June 7, 2016 4:51AM3 -
Smileybones✭✭✭✭I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
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✭✭✭✭✭Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.7 -
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Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.Edited by Soris on June 7, 2016 4:59AMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]5 -
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Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?
Edit: not even need, but want - to me the rule applies, what you cannot afford you don't need.Edited by Lysette on June 7, 2016 5:04AM4 -
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Dont compare this to other games. Compare it before and after, then you'll get the answer.Since there are no more softcaps, you need best quality items to compete in this game. A single gold quality sword gives around 400 more weapon damage with rally compared to the purple ones. Upgrade mats, robust/arcane rings, enchants, every single one of them are vital parts for any build. So why the *** have they so low drop rates and thus expensive?
Not that bad considering with WoW, not only did you have to compete against rng but every other member of the raid as well. Not to mention being a pug, you hoped, HOPED that the item that was an upgrade to you would not be needed nor disenchanted in front of you. Don't even get me started on Guild Wars 2 drop rates. I basically stopped at carapace boxes and called it good in that game. Talk about having to grind for gear. Then go back to the fountain, go back to silverwastes because you needed more bandit keys, hope you get enough mats to make the next part of the legendary weapon/armor, forge that part, and, oh look, you need to go farm some more to make yet the other part of the weapon/armor before you can even put it together. With low drop rates.Soris wrote:This game used to be less grindy before. You could use full purple gear and be king in everything thanks to soft caps. And in those days making a build cost you 10x less than now. It's just asian grind right now. Most of the non crafted stuffs are bind on pickup, meaning you need to farm the same dungeon for thousands of times to get something you need and yet there is no guarantee on what trait you will get. You might end up with most unfortunate trait/armor matching after a week of grind. Other stuffs requires a lot of gold to buy because this RNG stupidity on traits and drops. More so, the income from PvP is still too low. It barely makes up for your losses on pots and other stuffs.
I love love love when people bring up grinding. No, this is not a grind. This is regular gearing up. A Korean MMOs is a grind. When I first was introduced to the world of online game, I started with a game called Trickster Online (rip). 400 levels. You want grind? You ran out of quests to do at about 225 or so. It was grind out the events, grind dungeons, and grind monsters to get those last 175 or so levels. Three years I played. Highest I got before the game was closed was 180. This was as a kid where the only distraction was school.Soris wrote:Last night I just went to the guild traders to upgrade my weapons only to see 9k for a single tempering alloy. You need 8 of them to upgrade a single piece of a weapon, so 72k gold just to upgrade it from purple to gold.. x2 if you dual wield. This is stupid af. There are no softcaps, so you have to do this to compete with others, because they do it because they can farm all day long.
As they should raise in price. Why? A new dlc just dropped. Every single game I have played, guess what? Before and the first few months after an expansion or dlc dropped, prices to make high end items skyrocketed. When everyone has the stuff they want, the prices will go down. Demand raises prices, it also makes prices drop when the demand goes down to make the product move quicker.Soris wrote:This endless grind madness must stop already. This game used to be fun before. You could just pick up a piece of gear and be successful with it with smart gameplay. Not anymore. It's just painfully grindy currently. Make it fun again.
I can still pick up a piece of gear and be good. If it's that bad, farm and make your own. All the DLC content levels everything to where you are at with your crafting. I'm sure Wrothgar is pretty empty these days where you won't have much competition for mats. All in all, you have what we call in public relations, 'the salt syndrome'. Sorry Veruca, you want it now? P2W is your best bet.Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]0 -
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Please look at the ads that this game has. "3 alliances fighting each other" < This is the core game. Not picking flowers and doing writs. Though there are things like PvE and PvP but again, every aspect of a game should have equal chances to gain gold. You might enjoy doing all those grind but i dont. I play this for pvp.
Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?Edited by Soris on June 7, 2016 5:08AMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]1 -
Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭Khajiit-Ri agrees with OP, guilds do overcharge, it isn't really a question if they do, it is unfortunately a fact, but there is always ways around greedy players, and that is to join a guild who has its members at the highest priorities. This one belongs to such a guild.
We go out, grind the mats, improve everyones' armor, weapons, ect. We save up to buy new members mounts.
So when other guilds are busy playing the money game all we can do is laugh. The easiest way to change economy is not to fill these grubby little greed hounds' pocket with coin. Too many people forget mats aren't hard to come by, especially when you have groups of people working together to achieve the same goal.
We might not be the largest guild or richest, but what we lack in virtual coin is made up by the treasures of unity. May your breeze be warm and the moons' be bright.0 -
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Please look at the ads that this game has. "3 alliances fighting each other" < This is the core game. Not picking flowers and doing writs. Though there are things like PvE and PvP but again, every aspect of a game should have equal chances to gain gold. You might enjoy doing all those grind but i dont. I play this for pvp.
Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?
Then you really don't understand what this game is about and how advertising works - certainly they had to advertise this to people, who did not know about TES games and had to attract them in a way, which suits them, but it is not the core of the game - it is about the PvE content and RPG elements - or like Mr. Firor puts it, it is not a traditional MMO but more an expansive online Elder Scroll RPG - and he said further they had a hard time to educate players, that this is not the typical MMO, which they expected - but I guess he did not succeed with you.
Edit: I do as well not grind at all - I do, what is fun to me, I like doing writs, go around and harvest stuff, visit guild stores and grap occasions and market them somewhere else for a higher price, I empty a couple of thief troves and sell the large shipment crate contents, stuff like this, and it is fun to me, I do that when I get there anyway, and have a look, where I can find some occasions and I have my contractors, who buy any amount of that stuff from me for a bulk price, so that they earn something with it as well and I do not have to care to get this stuff sold.Edited by Lysette on June 7, 2016 5:19AM5 -
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I do not have any interest to further explain myself to you but please stop with the personal accusations. If a game have a whole dedicated area and siege mechanics only for pvp combat and pop locked campaigns 4 out of 6 every evening, you cant ignore the player base. This isn't skyrim online, i think you should understand that and it is actually quite a typical MMO sorry to say that.
Please look at the ads that this game has. "3 alliances fighting each other" < This is the core game. Not picking flowers and doing writs. Though there are things like PvE and PvP but again, every aspect of a game should have equal chances to gain gold. You might enjoy doing all those grind but i dont. I play this for pvp.
Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?
Then you really don't understand what this game is about and how advertising works - certainly they had to advertise this to people, who did not know about TES games and had to attract them in a way, which suits them, but it is not the core of the game - it is about the PvE content and RPG elements - or like Mr. Firor puts it, it is not a traditional MMO but more an expansive online Elder Scroll RPG - and he said further they had a hard time to educate players, that this is not the typical MMO, which they expected - but I guess he did not succeed with you.Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]2 -
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I do not have any interest to further explain myself to you but please stop with the personal accusations. If a game have a whole dedicated area and siege mechanics only for pvp combat and pop locked campaigns 4 out of 6 every evening, you cant ignore the player base. This isn't skyrim online, i think you should understand that and it is actually quite a typical MMO sorry to say that.
Please look at the ads that this game has. "3 alliances fighting each other" < This is the core game. Not picking flowers and doing writs. Though there are things like PvE and PvP but again, every aspect of a game should have equal chances to gain gold. You might enjoy doing all those grind but i dont. I play this for pvp.
Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?
Then you really don't understand what this game is about and how advertising works - certainly they had to advertise this to people, who did not know about TES games and had to attract them in a way, which suits them, but it is not the core of the game - it is about the PvE content and RPG elements - or like Mr. Firor puts it, it is not a traditional MMO but more an expansive online Elder Scroll RPG - and he said further they had a hard time to educate players, that this is not the typical MMO, which they expected - but I guess he did not succeed with you.
So what, you want something for nothing and you wont get it that way. And I think, that Matt Firor knows better what this game is about, because he is in the lead and decides which way this game is going. And if he says, it is not the typical MMO, then it isn't.Edited by Lysette on June 7, 2016 5:34AM2 -
Dromede✭✭✭✭I like gearing up my characters (mostly through crafting), but gearing up 3 newly max level chars and adjusting gear on other 2 has made me a little sour and ocd too. A lot of gold tempers, calculations and builds to go through, you know
But that's the way it is. Plus i saved up some before update, so it's not that bad. Edited by Dromede on June 7, 2016 5:33AMSkye Cloude - Sorc DPS, Master Crafter. Main, the bestest
Lae Lenne - Templar Healer Trial grade.
Dromede - Stamina Nightblade, she's a newb and doesn't know what she's doing
V'oghatta - Stamplar pretending to be a tank
Ulville Thonvella - aspiring Fire Mage, be careful around her fire sticks!
Dromedaris - lost and not found. Named after a shoe, what else can you expect from her? A proper tank in her wildest dreams
Swims-Naked - too pretty to grind, too silly to quest.
Sun Flair - Dunmer Templar that can't spell for life. To bad she's too broke to afford a name change... Well, at least she's pretty...0 -
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I do not have any interest to further explain myself to you but please stop with the personal accusations. If a game have a whole dedicated area and siege mechanics only for pvp combat and pop locked campaigns 4 out of 6 every evening, you cant ignore the player base. This isn't skyrim online, i think you should understand that and it is actually quite a typical MMO sorry to say that.
Please look at the ads that this game has. "3 alliances fighting each other" < This is the core game. Not picking flowers and doing writs. Though there are things like PvE and PvP but again, every aspect of a game should have equal chances to gain gold. You might enjoy doing all those grind but i dont. I play this for pvp.
Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?
Then you really don't understand what this game is about and how advertising works - certainly they had to advertise this to people, who did not know about TES games and had to attract them in a way, which suits them, but it is not the core of the game - it is about the PvE content and RPG elements - or like Mr. Firor puts it, it is not a traditional MMO but more an expansive online Elder Scroll RPG - and he said further they had a hard time to educate players, that this is not the typical MMO, which they expected - but I guess he did not succeed with you.
So what, you want something for nothing and you wont get it that way.
Tunnel vision is strong with this one
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I do not have any interest to further explain myself to you but please stop with the personal accusations. If a game have a whole dedicated area and siege mechanics only for pvp combat and pop locked campaigns 4 out of 6 every evening, you cant ignore the player base. This isn't skyrim online, i think you should understand that and it is actually quite a typical MMO sorry to say that.
Please look at the ads that this game has. "3 alliances fighting each other" < This is the core game. Not picking flowers and doing writs. Though there are things like PvE and PvP but again, every aspect of a game should have equal chances to gain gold. You might enjoy doing all those grind but i dont. I play this for pvp.
Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?
Then you really don't understand what this game is about and how advertising works - certainly they had to advertise this to people, who did not know about TES games and had to attract them in a way, which suits them, but it is not the core of the game - it is about the PvE content and RPG elements - or like Mr. Firor puts it, it is not a traditional MMO but more an expansive online Elder Scroll RPG - and he said further they had a hard time to educate players, that this is not the typical MMO, which they expected - but I guess he did not succeed with you.
So what, you want something for nothing and you wont get it that way.
Tunnel vision is strong with this one
I think so too - but one day you might get the picture anyway.
Edit: learn Khajiiti - "this one" refers to oneself - "that one" to someone else.Edited by Lysette on June 7, 2016 5:38AM3 -
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✭Even with a purple gear you can earn 50+k ap/hour in pvp and with those you buy motif pages and item box, you sell them and in two days of only pvp you have the gold to buy your alloys.
Easy
Prices are ok, you need to consider that even gold maths are behind a RNG wall and sometimes it required 4-500 raw materials to get one.Edited by Tonnopesce on June 7, 2016 5:54AMSignature2 -
IllijixzSoul Shrivenplease do not casualize the game where it throws the BIS gear in your face after you created your fresh account and played for a week. you dont need the yellow gear to enjoy the game itself, its there to reward people who spends more time into the game.1
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I do not have any interest to further explain myself to you but please stop with the personal accusations. If a game have a whole dedicated area and siege mechanics only for pvp combat and pop locked campaigns 4 out of 6 every evening, you cant ignore the player base. This isn't skyrim online, i think you should understand that and it is actually quite a typical MMO sorry to say that.
Please look at the ads that this game has. "3 alliances fighting each other" < This is the core game. Not picking flowers and doing writs. Though there are things like PvE and PvP but again, every aspect of a game should have equal chances to gain gold. You might enjoy doing all those grind but i dont. I play this for pvp.
Yes basically. Why would i play something for 5 hours of boredom to make gold for my pvp sessions rather than just playing pvp and earning that gold?Smileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
I do that in real life already lol. Games are for fun, not for hard work.
lolSmileybones wrote: »I do not really understand where the problem is, when you can upgrade an item to gold quality for 72k gold. I have just 8 low level characters, but those make about 50k gold within 4-5 hours. If I can do that with low level characters, it should be much less effort for a high level character. To me this does not seem expensive at all.
OP wants to enjoy PVP all day and not work to get mats or the required gold.
Ok, but then the problem is not game design, but his personality.
See, you want something for nothing - and this is not going to happen. You seriously expect that ZOS is changing the game, just because you are too lazy to get what you need?
Then you really don't understand what this game is about and how advertising works - certainly they had to advertise this to people, who did not know about TES games and had to attract them in a way, which suits them, but it is not the core of the game - it is about the PvE content and RPG elements - or like Mr. Firor puts it, it is not a traditional MMO but more an expansive online Elder Scroll RPG - and he said further they had a hard time to educate players, that this is not the typical MMO, which they expected - but I guess he did not succeed with you.
So what, you want something for nothing and you wont get it that way.
Tunnel vision is strong with this one
I gave you some suggestions as well. There are ways to make gold and pvp at the same time. Not as good as pve, but still good ways. And the only thing you really need gold is weapons.0 -
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There's even an addon if you're lazy.
Also, sell you ap and tel vars.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Smileybones✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »You need gold tempers and gold? Just do crafting writs, its fast and easy, gives you gold and mats.
There's even an addon if you're lazy.
Also, sell you ap and tel vars.
Dude, don't tell them to do writs, it's PVE and they can't be assed to do any PVE. I triple dare OP to link anything advertising ESO as a PVP only game but whatever...2 -
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✭Your hijack thread skill is stunning. If you want to see pvp related ads, look video ads in the internet.Edited by Soris on June 7, 2016 7:19AMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]1 -
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✭✭You want other people to gather flowers, because you can't be bothered to...
You want other people to make potions for you, because you can't be bothered to...
And you want people to sell the potions to you at the price that you want?
Good luck with that
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✭Well OP just be grateful you don't have to gear up:
Oh let me count for a sec ...
5 chars to CP160 & Legendary.
I currently have 124k TV banked and about 160k gold.
I can make 1 char mostly purple with gold weps and gold chest, legs. That leaves 4 remaining
FML
The good news? It gives me a goal and something to work for. So instead of me doing achi's and stuff I will be doing that.@Duiwel:Join ORDER OF SITHIS We're recruiting! PC EU"Dear Brother. I do not spread rumours. I create them..."1 -
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✭Play the game (Writs, Refined Mats etc) and boycott the stores is the only way to bring the prices down, maybe.PERTH, AUSTRALIA | PC | NA | @Aussie-Elders
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Soris✭✭✭✭✭
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Whats wrong with you people? Read the op before posting. It's english you know.I_killed_Vivec wrote: »You want other people to gather flowers, because you can't be bothered to...
You want other people to make potions for you, because you can't be bothered to...
And you want people to sell the potions to you at the price that you want?
Good luck with thatEdited by Soris on June 7, 2016 7:25AMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]2 -
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✭I can understand the prices are now higher with CP. I have 8 alts, before DB 3-4 of them were low lvl vets, so had some low vet gears - now they all are CP370 which means all need former vet16 gears and thus ton of mats to craft. I simply cannot find enough vet15-16 mats for my gears in stores. I understand that a huge amount of other players are in similar situation and that's a reason of low market availability for mats and tempers. But searching for them as a new goal, is also fun in MMO. If I had an easy access to everything, like I had in GuildWars2, the game would be simply boring.PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0 -
Apocalypse1981✭✭✭Tempering alloy goes for 6k each, not 9k. Dont know what game you are playing but when i got to VR16 i had 350k gold and lots of mats.
Its the less grindy game i ever played.
Only hard thing to get are the jewelry.Edited by Apocalypse1981 on June 7, 2016 9:10AM1 -
Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭This game is one of the least grindy MMOs I have ever played.
The only thing really saving this economy from a hyper deflation collapse is the frequest DLCs and the 7 or 8 items that are still actually in demand.
To be quite honest, if you are v16 (sorry, CP160) and broke then you are doing something wrong. I get about 2 hours play time a day, if that. I break about 400k a week in guild sales.
How so? Most of my gold goes to potions. I use like a 100 of them everyday and they cost like 15-20k.
Income from ap boxes barely catches up with it. Dungeon gears are bind on pickup, so no gold from there.
I do 100% pvp though, no any flower picking or anything like that. Maybe that's the problem lol.
I can tell you for a fact, if you're buying potions instead of making them yourself then you're asking to be poor, like you said they're expensive (they involve a lot of work to farm, this coming from someone who both farms for himself and for selling potions to others) and you'll save yourself a lot by making your own.
But this guy saying he makes 400k per week while only playing two hours a day.... I don't know what he's doing or what he's smoking but I have a hard time believing that, not saying he's a liar necessarily but that seems unlikely to be sure. Maybe the economy is just that different from mine on whatever platform he's on, but nothing I could get by doing any activity would ever sell for anywhere close to that.Edited by Lucius_Aelius on June 7, 2016 9:27AMDaggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apocalypse1981 wrote: »Tempering alloy goes for 6k each, not 9k. Dont know what game you are playing but when i got to VR16 i had 350k gold and lots of mats.
Its the less grindy game i ever played.
Only hard thing to get are the jewelry.
Hm, I think we will get this as well, jewelry crafting - but it might not be this year.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lucius_Aelius wrote: »This game is one of the least grindy MMOs I have ever played.
The only thing really saving this economy from a hyper deflation collapse is the frequest DLCs and the 7 or 8 items that are still actually in demand.
To be quite honest, if you are v16 (sorry, CP160) and broke then you are doing something wrong. I get about 2 hours play time a day, if that. I break about 400k a week in guild sales.
How so? Most of my gold goes to potions. I use like a 100 of them everyday and they cost like 15-20k.
Income from ap boxes barely catches up with it. Dungeon gears are bind on pickup, so no gold from there.
I do 100% pvp though, no any flower picking or anything like that. Maybe that's the problem lol.
I can tell you for a fact, if you're buying potions instead of making them yourself then you're asking to be poor, like you said they're expensive (they involve a lot of work to farm, this coming from someone who both farms for himself and for selling potions to others) and you'll save yourself a lot by making your own.
But this guy saying he makes 400k per week while only playing two hours a day.... I don't know what he's doing or what he's smoking but I have a hard time believing that, not saying he's a liar necessarily but that seems unlikely to be sure. Maybe the economy is just that different from mine on whatever platform he's on, but nothing I could get by doing any activity would ever sell for anywhere close to that.
Who said this - I think you are referring to me - I said about 50k in 4-5 hours, not 2 hours. And I am not doing that on every day in the week. I cannot even play on every day at all, because I have a life, career, partner and 2 helicopters and a glider, and I love flying and that takes quite some time as well. So 50k in 4-5 hours means, when I am willing to do that, I can make that - but this does not mean it would be 350k per week. It is a mix of things actually, writs, thief troves gathering in the early morning, where not many are playing, buying all the under-priced mats, when supply is high and demand low (after people went to bed) and list them in other places or transfer them at the next possible time to my contractor and getting paid. Thief troves and fencing the large crate's content makes me about 30-40k with 8 characters already, rest is from other activities.0 -
Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭Lucius_Aelius wrote: »This game is one of the least grindy MMOs I have ever played.
The only thing really saving this economy from a hyper deflation collapse is the frequest DLCs and the 7 or 8 items that are still actually in demand.
To be quite honest, if you are v16 (sorry, CP160) and broke then you are doing something wrong. I get about 2 hours play time a day, if that. I break about 400k a week in guild sales.
How so? Most of my gold goes to potions. I use like a 100 of them everyday and they cost like 15-20k.
Income from ap boxes barely catches up with it. Dungeon gears are bind on pickup, so no gold from there.
I do 100% pvp though, no any flower picking or anything like that. Maybe that's the problem lol.
I can tell you for a fact, if you're buying potions instead of making them yourself then you're asking to be poor, like you said they're expensive (they involve a lot of work to farm, this coming from someone who both farms for himself and for selling potions to others) and you'll save yourself a lot by making your own.
But this guy saying he makes 400k per week while only playing two hours a day.... I don't know what he's doing or what he's smoking but I have a hard time believing that, not saying he's a liar necessarily but that seems unlikely to be sure. Maybe the economy is just that different from mine on whatever platform he's on, but nothing I could get by doing any activity would ever sell for anywhere close to that.
Who said this - I think you are referring to me - I said about 50k in 4-5 hours, not 2 hours. And I am not doing that on every day in the week. I cannot even play on every day at all, because I have a life, career, partner and 2 helicopters and a glider, and I love flying and that takes quite some time as well. So 50k in 4-5 hours means, when I am willing to do that, I can make that - but this does not mean it would be 350k per week. It is a mix of things actually, writs, thief troves gathering in the early morning, where not many are playing, buying all the under-priced mats, when supply is high and demand low (after people went to bed) and list them in other places or transfer them at the next possible time to my contractor and getting paid. Thief troves and fencing the large crate's content makes me about 30-40k with 8 characters already, rest is from other activities.
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Lucius Aelius Aurelius - 50 Imperial Dragonknight - Centurion - Stam Tank
Lucius Aelius Valerius - 50 Imperial Templar - Lieutenant - Mag Heal/DPS
Lucius Aelius Regulus - 50 Imperial Nightblade - First Sergeant - Stam DPS
Lucius Aelius Augustus - 50 Imperial Sorcerer - Corporal - Mag DPS
Wags-His-Tail - 20 Argonian Sorcerer - Recruit - TBD
Holds-The-Line - 40 Argonian Dragonknight - Recruit - TBD
Carries-Extra-Gear - 4 Argonian Dragonknight - Recruit - TBD
Guildmaster - Wardens of the Covenant
Group Leader - xpThe Guildxp
Trader - Secret Sauce
Trader - Elite Dungeoneers0