MichYodias wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

On the PTS Malubeth was healing me for 7k-11k per tick. Definitely bugged.

But what is the damage of the proc doing? The heal is based on damage done ("stealing life"), but the heal itself is buffed by it's own bonus to healing received. Identifying how much damage it is doing will help isolate the potential problem: did the damage or heal get bugged (eg they accidentally exempted the entire proc from the Battle Spirit debuff, rather than only the heal), or is the heal simply being buffed to high levels by multiple sources.

Mine is doing about 300-400 damage a tick. I have no idea how he is getting healed for that much. The only reason I use malubeth at all is for the disease counter.

I think that after a fight you go and look at the healing beakdown in ftc from scourge harvester, it includes all the incoming heals while malubeth was proccd. So say i get hit by a BoL while its proccd its going to show me getting a 15k heal tick in my breakdown. Or say im sapping while its procced its going to show all thise heals as ticks of malebeth and people look after a fight and theyre like danggg son my Malubeth did 100k heals when in reality that was all of the incoming heals u got while u had the buff. Even if you pop a pot while its active your going to see that huge heal under scourge harvester. So think of Malubeth's ftc breakdown as a filter for all heals while it was active.

Ah that makes much more sense.

Malubeth has always been ridiculously strong. Just now loads of people have started to notice it seems.

Wollust wrote: »

Malubeth has always been ridiculously strong. Just now loads of people have started to notice it seems.

The scenarios where it is too strong is on temps and dks in duels. I believe eu banned that on those classes. Open world the set is fine and its counterable. Just dont confuse the scourge harvester healing in ftc breakdown with the set heal. Its as useful to a sap NB as blood spawn is to a dk.

MichYodias wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

On the PTS Malubeth was healing me for 7k-11k per tick. Definitely bugged.

That was likely your self honor of the deads showing up under scourge harvester. Even say you pop devouring swarm with a fatty stack and malubeth proccd, those devouring heals will show up in scourge harvester ftc and itll show a bunch of ticks and and a lot of heals but in reality it was devouring heals + 30%

Nope. My Honor the Deads only heal at most 6k. Was using Malubeth today and got a 22k healing tick along with plenty more oversized heals. But also was getting 5k ticks with Red Diamond while wearing Malubeth. Meanwhile the damage being done with Malubeth is still only 500ish or so per tick. Definitely think its something to do with the 30% increase in healing being affected by something else causing it to magnify the heals done during that time by a lot more.

Oh, and another bug I found while wearing Malubeth - the Guard skill procs Red Diamond on me (when someone else is guarding me), so I was getting a ton of heals with Red Diamond even though I'm magicka and only when I was being Guarded.

Sallington wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Just because a few people started actually wearing it and think it is a FOTM doesn't mean it is OP.

Heal debuffs are common, the beam only stays active if actual target is and remains within 10 meters, and it's not like Engine Guardian and Valkyn and Bloodspawn are providing marginal combat effectiveness.

No wonder so many sets are trash. At the hint of them being useful, people are proclaiming them to be OP

Yea, you see it procc, spend stamina or whatever you need to to break the procc, not only have you spent resources doing so, but your target is most likely already full health regardless, then, not 10 seconds later it proccs again.

Sounds like it's strong against melee and useless against ranged.

We all know range is impossible to maintain with any reliability in this game.

I heard Battle Spirit is not applying to Malubeth set.
Day 1 pvp and immediately could tell something was off with that set.

edit: now im hearing its supposed to ignore battle spirit (its intended). If so, there is something obviously wrong with it lol. I am not supposed to be tanking 10 ppl in medium armor....

olsborg wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

I heard Battle Spirit is not applying to Malubeth set.
Day 1 pvp and immediately could tell something was off with that set.

edit: now im hearing its supposed to ignore battle spirit (its intended). If so, there is something obviously wrong with it lol. I am not supposed to be tanking 10 ppl in medium armor....

People tank in light armor with this broken set.

lol and i wasnt even trying too
Now try using malubeth + fasallas + anything else... its just dumb af.

Quick question, has anything actually changed about malubeth this patch? I've almost always used malubeth on my nb tank before until around thieves guild launched, but it seemed largely unpopular. but this patch malubeth tanks are popping up everywhere in pvp it seems...

maxjapank wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

I heard Battle Spirit is not applying to Malubeth set.
Day 1 pvp and immediately could tell something was off with that set.

edit: now im hearing its supposed to ignore battle spirit (its intended). If so, there is something obviously wrong with it lol. I am not supposed to be tanking 10 ppl in medium armor....

People tank in light armor with this broken set.

lol and i wasnt even trying too
Now try using malubeth + fasallas + anything else... its just dumb af.

Try killing a templar in light armor using 5 transmutasion with malubeth, it shouldnt be possible, but it is.

This setup has always been used. Nothing has changed, except that Monster Sets are now available for AP once a week. Now that sets are easier to get, you will see more and more people using them. It isn't even the best setup for a Magicka Templar, though it is strong.

As for being constructive, I get tired of the constant whine threads and calling for unnecessary nerfs. Right now, all classes have access to equally powerful pvp setups. Find a strong combination that works for you. If you think it's so strong, then use it.

Well, what you see as "whine" others see as "unbalanced or OP" The amount of threads and posts on forum about this set in particular should be evidence enough that it needs looked at.

ninjaguyman wrote: »

Quick question, has anything actually changed about malubeth this patch? I've almost always used malubeth on my nb tank before until around thieves guild launched, but it seemed largely unpopular. but this patch malubeth tanks are popping up everywhere in pvp it seems...

Yes.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368#Comment_2909368
They removed the Battle Spirit double nerf from this set from healing based on damage done, abilities like Surge and Invigorating Drain.

So lets say i use Surge and Wrecking Blow you (assuming we have the old Surge that healed based on damage done, btw i like the flat-heal better ) and i hit you for 10k.

Pre-DB, that heals with Surge wouldve been 5k. Now lets say that Malubeth was procced. My total heal would've been 30% more healing... so 5000* 30%= 6500 heals, but it was being cut in halve again so it wouldve been 3200ish total heal.
Post-DB that total heal is now 6500. Plus the initial 5-6k heal that it does.... PLUS Major Mending..... PLUUUUS CPs...... PLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSS whatever other gear that adds Healing taken that you can stack.

Im pretty sure thats whats going on, but something was definitely changed and something is definitely off and Battle Spirit has something to do with it. Im definitely sure this is not intended

maxjapank wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

I heard Battle Spirit is not applying to Malubeth set.
Day 1 pvp and immediately could tell something was off with that set.

edit: now im hearing its supposed to ignore battle spirit (its intended). If so, there is something obviously wrong with it lol. I am not supposed to be tanking 10 ppl in medium armor....

People tank in light armor with this broken set.

lol and i wasnt even trying too
Now try using malubeth + fasallas + anything else... its just dumb af.

Try killing a templar in light armor using 5 transmutasion with malubeth, it shouldnt be possible, but it is.

This setup has always been used. Nothing has changed, except that Monster Sets are now available for AP once a week. Now that sets are easier to get, you will see more and more people using them. It isn't even the best setup for a Magicka Templar, though it is strong.

As for being constructive, I get tired of the constant whine threads and calling for unnecessary nerfs. Right now, all classes have access to equally powerful pvp setups. Find a strong combination that works for you. If you think it's so strong, then use it.

Are you sure nothing was changed?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/261799/pts-patch-notes-v2-4-0#latest

lolololol at the people defending this

edit: just to add something constructive..... it has to do with battle spirit. Just takes a bit of theory crafting (refer to post #56 for some maths) to see why this set will be the meta. Either something is bugged, or its unintended.