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Good job making sorcs completely useless in PvE
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✭Any 'true' sorcerer will tell you the class has been at the bottom of the PvE pyramid for a long time and this new patch saw us to more nerfs not only to survivability, but also to damage and build flexibility.
Remember? PvE, the area of the game in which sorcerers are the worse class in every possible role?
You say sorcerers are 2nd best Magicka DPS, I think we are 3rd, but eitherway...
make up your mind
I was coupling Magicka and Stamina DPS as a single role, DPS and in that case we are the lowest DPS. ^^0 -
NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭Welcome magicka sorcs to a stam sorcs life. Funny thing is, youre still better off. And Ive been dumping on plenty of the population as a stam sorc through the worst of patches. Give it more than a day or two before signing your /quit notices perhaps.
Stam sorcs never had a height to fall from. Magicka sorcs did. We don't have anyone championing our cause so we're here to relieve some of that. The most emotionally connected streamer telling us to not be whiners isn't exactly helping. in fact it just kinda pisses us off. Why don't you help us as a whole, rather then drawing lines in the sand with inflammatory comments.
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Well judging from all the videos of end game players and if we are going to generalize everyone together the order would go in terms of MagickaAny 'true' sorcerer will tell you the class has been at the bottom of the PvE pyramid for a long time and this new patch saw us to more nerfs not only to survivability, but also to damage and build flexibility.
Remember? PvE, the area of the game in which sorcerers are the worse class in every possible role?
You say sorcerers are 2nd best Magicka DPS, I think we are 3rd, but eitherway...
make up your mind
I was coupling Magicka and Stamina DPS as a single role, DPS and in that case we are the lowest DPS. ^^
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iam117✭✭✭Any 'true' sorcerer will tell you the class has been at the bottom of the PvE pyramid for a long time and this new patch saw us to more nerfs not only to survivability, but also to damage and build flexibility.
Remember? PvE, the area of the game in which sorcerers are the worse class in every possible role?
You say sorcerers are 2nd best Magicka DPS, I think we are 3rd, but eitherway...
make up your mind
I was coupling Magicka and Stamina DPS as a single role, DPS and in that case we are the lowest DPS. ^^
and to add to what @Nifty2g said, afaik (correct me if im wrong) the only stamina class that is above magicka sorcerer is stam dk? that leaves atleast 3 classes lower (4 if you include stam sorc) and for the most part 2 magicka classes lowerEdited by iam117 on June 2, 2016 8:22PM<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol2 -
Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭The shield changes are fine now sorcs are what they are supposed to be, a glass cannon light armor caster. You can't have your cake and eat it too with the past year LA sorcs were more tanky than heavy armor DK and dealt high dmg doesn't that show red flags?
You now have to be more cautious since you are wearing robes they won't protect you but the trade off is very high burst dmg. If you want to survive more you use heavy armor which is for taking you can't have both.
I do see the problem with sorcs dps skills somewhat lacking beleive me I know I have a sorc but my main is a NB, an Archer NB which Primarly uses the bow and has similar problems but that's on the devs fault right now the game is leaning towards "Elder Melee Online" with all the stam buffs and gap closer buffs.
PVP will be run by Fotm Stam DKs and NBs unfortunately yet I refuse to confort to the meta. I understand the sorc class frustration but making these threads is useless your best bet is to move on to a different game for now, there are plenty of other fantasy MMOs with good mage play, (GW2, Runescape,Wow etc.)
I don't play eso as much as I used to but still come to the fourms to see new posts for the "magic bullet"change to the game.
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✭✭@ShadowStarKing
Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).
2nd best in one role while every other class is the best in at least one role. Ok.
No doubt sorcer class skills for DPS damage are worst then other class either they have Damage issue or Cast Time..ShadowStarKing wrote: »The shield changes are fine now sorcs are what they are supposed to be, a glass cannon light armor caster. You can't have your cake and eat it too with the past year LA sorcs were more tanky than heavy armor DK and dealt high dmg doesn't that show red flags?
You now have to be more cautious since you are wearing robes they won't protect you but the trade off is very high burst dmg. If you want to survive more you use heavy armor which is for taking you can't have both.
I do see the problem with sorcs dps skills somewhat lacking beleive me I know I have a sorc but my main is a NB, an Archer NB which Primarly uses the bow and has similar problems but that's on the devs fault right now the game is leaning towards "Elder Melee Online" with all the stam buffs and gap closer buffs.
PVP will be run by Fotm Stam DKs and NBs unfortunately yet I refuse to confort to the meta. I understand the sorc class frustration but making these threads is useless your best bet is to move on to a different game for now, there are plenty of other fantasy MMOs with good mage play, (GW2, Runescape,Wow etc.)
I don't play eso as much as I used to but still come to the fourms to see new posts for the "magic bullet"change to the game.
PC have options,
ESO is best MMORPG on console so far...Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 2, 2016 8:22PM1 -
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✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »@ShadowStarKing
Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).
2nd best in one role while every other class is the best in at least one role. Ok.
No doubt sorcer class skills for DPS damage are worst then other class either they have Damage issue or Cast Time..ShadowStarKing wrote: »The shield changes are fine now sorcs are what they are supposed to be, a glass cannon light armor caster. You can't have your cake and eat it too with the past year LA sorcs were more tanky than heavy armor DK and dealt high dmg doesn't that show red flags?
You now have to be more cautious since you are wearing robes they won't protect you but the trade off is very high burst dmg. If you want to survive more you use heavy armor which is for taking you can't have both.
I do see the problem with sorcs dps skills somewhat lacking beleive me I know I have a sorc but my main is a NB, an Archer NB which Primarly uses the bow and has similar problems but that's on the devs fault right now the game is leaning towards "Elder Melee Online" with all the stam buffs and gap closer buffs.
PVP will be run by Fotm Stam DKs and NBs unfortunately yet I refuse to confort to the meta. I understand the sorc class frustration but making these threads is useless your best bet is to move on to a different game for now, there are plenty of other fantasy MMOs with good mage play, (GW2, Runescape,Wow etc.)
I don't play eso as much as I used to but still come to the fourms to see new posts for the "magic bullet"change to the game.
PC have options,
ESO is best MMORPG on console so far...
Yep, I play on console too im lucky to have a PC although it's a low end one.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭As someone who plays each class... the amount of bias in this thread is ridiculous.
Wayyyy too many Sorcs relied on shield stacking and never would require HP like other characters for survivability. That was literally almost a cheat mode, but it was allowed of course so not a cheat.. but if I had never played this game and watched the videos I'd think they were cheats.
Now, Sorcs who were not already prepared for the eventual fixes, have to go back to the whole L2P thing. I have AT LEAST 1 max level of each class that I pve and pvp on. I say at least because some more.
Sub-par HP with shield stacking for infinite amount of times within infinite magicka and maximum spell damage days are over, get used to it. I tried that method to see what the fuss was about and felt like it was cheating, stopped quite a while ago after testing it out. I've been playing it the way it was probably intended since even before IC dropped... heck always. I can pvp and pve JUST FINE with my Sorc, so that brings me to the question... why can't you? Stop relying on borderline exploits and easy mode, start playing the damn game as it was intended.
Also to whoever called the NB in the thread an OP class, ahhahaHAHAHAHAAA... NBs are powerful when played by good players. There's no infinite shield one with low HP. NB was the highest learning curve out of all 4 classes to master. The other 3 were fairly simple and could run in and solo more things without even learning the classes properly.
I think the changes are good, now it's time to L2P without borderline exploits.
Sincerely,
Someone who plays PVX with all 4 classes since 2014.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Really not liking my stam sorc in this update. Going to reset to magicka now. Trying to find something that works without shields.
Wish me luck.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I havent read every comment, but I am actually much more optimistic after playing around with my sorc for a while last night. First, for those saying sorcs are the worst PVE DPS, its simply not true. I see sorcs pulling very high numbers in the new trial for long fights without overload. I do think they are the hardest class to pull high numbers on because their rotation is very unforgiving, but you can certainly do it. End of the day, the best DPS I know plays a sorc, and he kicks my butt no matter what class I am on. None of these changes affect DPS at the extreme end of things because no elite sorc is running Surge or Shield in a raid setting. The drink potions and rely on their healers like every other DPS class at that level.
As for the changes, a couple things to consider:
Power surge is a much more consistent heal. I was getting about 4k/second heals with surge. I need to run some tests on my NB to see how this compares. The jury is still out on this one until I run VMA a few times, but it just might actually be better for most PVE content.
Shields. Yeah, shields got nerfed. I switched to Empowered Ward, which ends up being a 10 second, 18k shield. Sure its a nerf, but sorc shields probably needed a little nerfing if I am being totally honest. I also like the extra magic regen I get from this. Also, I can stack Harness Magic with this, for close to a 40k shield for all types of damage.
Dark Conversion: For those complaining about self heals, take a second look here. It got buffed 100% for health and 75% for magic. I am getting over 8K heals with this for less than 2k stamina. It is basically a breath of life self heal for a sorc. Pop this once and you are generally full. I think this will go in my innerlight spot on my off bar permanently in VMA.4 -
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✭✭✭✭Welcome magicka sorcs to a stam sorcs life. Funny thing is, youre still better off. And Ive been dumping on plenty of the population as a stam sorc through the worst of patches. Give it more than a day or two before signing your /quit notices perhaps.
Stam sorcs never had a height to fall from. Magicka sorcs did. We don't have anyone championing our cause so we're here to relieve some of that. The most emotionally connected streamer telling us to not be whiners isn't exactly helping. in fact it just kinda pisses us off. Why don't you help us as a whole, rather then drawing lines in the sand with inflammatory comments.
Im not here to say youre whiners, Im saying that is what the thread will turn to, especially given some of the early replies from people telling NBs their class is godmode easy when in reality, this class has really peaked the point more than any other for some patches.
Additionally, I got into this topic about sorc in general, the OP has changed the title to focus on PVE which.... yea, PVE isnt great, but its also not terrible. Its been half decent considering how poor some others have performed as well.l.Waffennacht wrote: »@FENGRUSH technically as Im xbox Im still in that patch. But Bow, DW... my point being ANY stamina class has WAY more options.
Vigor, Caltrops, WB, Poison injection, steel tornado, flurry, rally, snipe, shuffle, those other non mentioned abilities
Not everything is BiS or even viable, but at least there are options.
Vigor, rally, and shuffle dont do any damage. I said try it without WB.
Flurry is viable now, wasnt last patch. Wanna try the flurry steel tornado build with your bow backing it up? Wouldnt do a damn thing.
You want to mention its not BiS? What about the entire summoning tree that has skills I cant even use in PvP? What about every ult that only scales with magicka from sorc? What about having only 2 of the 15 sorc skills having morphs costing stam? Niether of which are impressive.
Trying to introduce a level of perspective to you all here. Eventually, the best of classes will find down patches, and this isnt even a patch that ruins the class. But it seems were on the issue of PvE, in which case - all versions of sorc fall below. Turns out hurricane doesnt outdamage things like multiple stam DK dots, with passives to amp them, or stamplars jabs with passives to support it. Shocker from our balance team!6 -
iam117✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I havent read every comment, but I am actually much more optimistic after playing around with my sorc for a while last night. First, for those saying sorcs are the worst PVE DPS, its simply not true. I see sorcs pulling very high numbers in the new trial for long fights without overload. I do think they are the hardest class to pull high numbers on because their rotation is very unforgiving, but you can certainly do it.
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✭i run magi knight on my sorc. no issues at all in pve. groups love my survivability and ability to off tank should i need to (if the tank dies)IGN: Ki'rah
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✭✭I guess I'll just stick with my Destro Staff, Force Pulse to proc Crystal Frags, knockback for when enemies get too close, and Clannfear to steal aggro.
It seems to be the only thing that wasn't touched by the update to Sorcs...
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I havent read every comment, but I am actually much more optimistic after playing around with my sorc for a while last night. First, for those saying sorcs are the worst PVE DPS, its simply not true. I see sorcs pulling very high numbers in the new trial for long fights without overload. I do think they are the hardest class to pull high numbers on because their rotation is very unforgiving, but you can certainly do it.
awesome. and so true.
Haha, Thanks. I generally try to be unbiased. I dont claim to be elite, but I have cleared VMA and done competitive raids on every class. They all have their pros and cons. Did sorcs perhaps get taken down a peg? Yeah probably. Has the world ended? Um... not IMO. Sorcs are a little less easy mode than they used to be, but I never played them that way because that type of playstyle is not they way to be competitive, its they way to be lazy.
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incite✭✭✭✭I know it says PvE sorc but I'm tilting, forgive me:
This coming from sorc playing only pvp, its ***, because of all the whiners who thought "shieldstacking" (as negative as it sounds) is op, they nerfed it bigtime now so it isnt even reliable to keep 2 shields up, magicka drains too fast doing this, people who actually KNOW how to play their char and counter the ability of sorcs shield can go right through them with good timed attacks and stuns, it really isnt that hard, too bad all i read on these forums 95% of the time, are only players who come across a good sorc, cant get him below 90% health cause they lack skill and exp, and go whine that its all op, ive duelled many different players all diff classes who are more than capable to burn sorcs down ( and im not talking about that idiotic set called sb), whats the diff? These players actually worked at their build so that shields arent an issue, instead of crying on forums that a group of 5 lowbies couldnt wipe a sorc cause shields are op. Im done, rant outPC EU
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Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know it says PvE sorc but I'm tilting, forgive me:
This coming from sorc playing only pvp, its ***, because of all the whiners who thought "shieldstacking" (as negative as it sounds) is op, they nerfed it bigtime now so it isnt even reliable to keep 2 shields up, magicka drains too fast doing this, people who actually KNOW how to play their char and counter the ability of sorcs shield can go right through them with good timed attacks and stuns, it really isnt that hard, too bad all i read on these forums 95% of the time, are only players who come across a good sorc, cant get him below 90% health cause they lack skill and exp, and go whine that its all op, ive duelled many different players all diff classes who are more than capable to burn sorcs down ( and im not talking about that idiotic set called sb), whats the diff? These players actually worked at their build so that shields arent an issue, instead of crying on forums that a group of 5 lowbies couldnt wipe a sorc cause shields are op. Im done, rant out
With that logic dodge roll and block shouldn't have been nerfed.
"Slot an AoE and kill roll dodgers I mean it not that hard, oh and perma blockers just CC them and they die 90% players need to L2p if they can't beat a dodge roller/ blocker"
In all seriousness it needed a nerf, it was great an all to be invincible, but just as the madness of perma block and perma roll has been eradicated so too should the reign of passive shield stacking go away for the health of skilled pvp.Edited by Anti_Virus on June 3, 2016 12:47AMPower Wealth And Influence.1 -
incite✭✭✭✭ShadowStarKing wrote: »I know it says PvE sorc but I'm tilting, forgive me:
This coming from sorc playing only pvp, its ***, because of all the whiners who thought "shieldstacking" (as negative as it sounds) is op, they nerfed it bigtime now so it isnt even reliable to keep 2 shields up, magicka drains too fast doing this, people who actually KNOW how to play their char and counter the ability of sorcs shield can go right through them with good timed attacks and stuns, it really isnt that hard, too bad all i read on these forums 95% of the time, are only players who come across a good sorc, cant get him below 90% health cause they lack skill and exp, and go whine that its all op, ive duelled many different players all diff classes who are more than capable to burn sorcs down ( and im not talking about that idiotic set called sb), whats the diff? These players actually worked at their build so that shields arent an issue, instead of crying on forums that a group of 5 lowbies couldnt wipe a sorc cause shields are op. Im done, rant out
With that logic dodge roll and block shouldn't have been nerfed.
"Slot an AoE and kill roll dodgers I mean it not that hard, oh and perma blockers just CC them and they did 90% players need to L2p if they can't beat a dodge roller/ blocker"
In all seriousness it needed a nerf, it was great an all to be invincible, but just as the madness of perma block and perma roll has been eradicated so too should the reing of passive shield stacking go away for the health of skilled pvp.
shadowstarking, it doesn't matter what you gonna say to somehow 'justify' the state mag sorc is in, your comment is invalid as can be, i never complained about permablockers or dodgerollers, not once in my eso carreer, that's because i actually put some effort in the game and found multiple ways around it, not by whining and screaming NEEERFFFF NEERFFF NEERRRFFFF on the forums whole day long.
Zos wants feedback of the players by using the forums, but if the majority of the 24/7 forumplayers are only whining and screaming for nerfs while the 'good' players don't have the time to do this cause they're too busy working on their skills and builds to not have these issues, you c the diff?
I'm not saying all forum guys here are nublets, not at all, i'm just saying 95% is , and because they got this many voices on the forum, this company called zos is actually implementing things based on their demands, which i regret so much. i'm not a regular forum user cause i'm too busy enjoying the game and doing my thing But now i c what happened to my main char that i've been playing since beta, there's nothing anybody can say that can make me say 'hey you're absolutely right, mag sorcs are where they Always should have been'.
Can't focking believe that there is actually zos staff that are saying now 'well done team, think we have made some awesome changes to the mag sorcs, they'll be very happy with these changes, well done guys'
i've never ever complained once about sorc changes, ever, but this is a bridge too far, believe me , i've mained a sorc since beta, i'm not a shitlet who doesn't know what he's talking about,
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NateAssassin✭✭✭✭✭Just remove the sorcerer class and allow already made sorcerers to choose a new class, it's pointless to even have them in the game.AD | Malaya the Mystic ─ VR16 Khajiit Sorc | Shal'ina the Swift ─ VR16 Khajiit NB | Jòhn Cena ─ VR1 Khajiit NB | Priestess Shaari ─ VR1 Temp1 -
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✭✭Here's a crazy thought, why not put on 1 piece of heavy armor and unlock the immovable shield to use? It would likely eat all the stamina you have as a sorcerer but it offers some sort of shield for 15 seconds iirc.0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Here's a crazy thought, why not put on 1 piece of heavy armor and unlock the immovable shield to use? It would likely eat all the stamina you have as a sorcerer but it offers some sort of shield for 15 seconds iirc.
I run with one piece of heavy and one medium on my sorc, he's still got the same survivability as a tissue without a shield and with the nerfed surge. And that's not the case on other classes for me with a full 7/7 light armor. So sorcs are definitely bad this patch.Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on June 3, 2016 12:07AMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Here's a crazy thought, why not put on 1 piece of heavy armor and unlock the immovable shield to use? It would likely eat all the stamina you have as a sorcerer but it offers some sort of shield for 15 seconds iirc.
I run with one piece of heavy and one medium on my sorc, he's still got the same survivability as a tissue without a shield and with the nerfed surge. And that's not the case on other classes for me with a full 7/7 light armor. So sorcs are definitely bad this patch.
ha I pictured another class sneezing and blowing you away
This is a sad day for sorcerers and I have 1 who's been a key team player in PvE...guess my only chance is to stand in the corner and hope nobody attacks me.
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ArvenAldmeri✭✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.
See and here is another problem... Sorcerers are already forced to slot a fire destruction staff as their main weapon because we are the only class that has no spammable ability. Now thanks to the heavy nerfs to the class's survivability that didn't come coupled with any buffs to the class's utility or damage, we are also forced into a restoration staff.
It is really lame and the more reliant we become on weapon skills the least damage we do as well as sorcerers gain extra damage for having sorcerer skill slotted in their bars.
Stam sorc has no spammable ability or functional damage abilties - unless you want to count hurricane as a damage ability.
Sorc has cursed and frag procs with an execute that can be preapplied. This has always been core to burst, and burst is core to kills.
If youre playing in your mines, you can tie in more preset *class based damage skills* in that window, and this is before an ult.
They actually have tools, they arent meant to have a spammable DPS ability. Weaving with a destro can fill that roll if needed, and it outperforms weaving bow. Sorcs can still play to their strengths. Shields have been broken for so long, people dont even know that the class exists without them. Shields are the reason I stopped playing magicka sorc, they are so brokenly simple.
Was this change the right fix to shields? I dont think it was, I think there are better solutions, and people have suggested them to no end. But ZOS solutions their way. Thats why my stam sorc has always been and still is weaker than the class people are complaining about in this thread that has been arguably the most well rounded build over the course of the last year straight.
Its fine to complain - welcome to the club. If you expect to gain support, youre unlikely to. This thread is more of less a place for magicka sorcs to gather and complain and earn themselves condescending replies from other players - rightfully so at times.
I dont blame magicka sorcs for playing how they have, they had to ever since ZOS changed armor mitigation way back.
But is your class dead? Nope. You can still perform quite fine. Your shield strength is still there, you just have to have increasing awareness in using it rather than blindly applying it and carrying on about your 100% offensive business until someone decides to turn your direction.
I agree with everything you say. In PvP. But this post is about PvE. And there sadly we are on the same line now.Magicka sorcerer from start until the end. Always. Through the good times and the bad, even now when its probably saddest PvE dps it has ever been.
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✭✭✭✭✭From a PVE perspective, you're given more leeway to use a Sorcerer than in PVP... However! It doesn't make much sense to use a Sorcerer now. I'd go with one of the other 3 classes, as mathematically/statiscally the Sorcerer class is outclassed by the other classes. Unless of course you wish to touch on pets, and even then Templars can provide superior damage and heals than a Sorcerer. Even in trials, and 12-man content... A magicka Dragonknight would provide overall superior damage and utility than a pet Sorcerer. And that's even with the Dragonknight class lacking a class execute.0 -
Minute_Waltz✭✭✭For pve dungeons (icp/wgt), sorcs are still good and easiest class to pull out 45-50K dps with overload and simple rotations. The ward/surge nerf probably would only really affect solo instances (VMA) from Pve point of view.2 -
Gallifreyy✭✭✭Im just going to say L2P. If this affects you in PvE you really are bad and just need to learn to get good. In PvP its a bit rougher on magic but still completely manageable.CP1000+Gallifreyy - DragonKnight - Imperial - EPDeath by Tray - Nightblade - Dunmer - EPMoustacheasaurs - Templar - Dunmer - EPZerief - Sorcerer - High Elf - EPAfro Leap - DragonKnight - Redguard - DC+ 4 other Lvl 50sDK IS BACK2 -
Minute_Waltz✭✭✭Gallifreyy wrote: »Im just going to say L2P. If this affects you in PvE you really are bad and just need to learn to get good. In PvP its a bit rougher on magic but still completely manageable.
This +1 , you shouldn't really be running ward and surge in pve anyway, and pets actually got buffed (in terms of survival) which means even better dps in pve/boss fights.
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