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Good job making sorcs completely useless in PvE
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I have mained a Sorc since Beta. Dark Elf destro / fire build. Currently all in magicka points & gear chants. Nothing in health or stam. I don't use shields or wards or floor targeted spells, build is pure offense except degeneration to restore hp and as a dot.
Reading these posts has me very worried. Should I bench her & start levelling my NB (lvl 23) instead? I don't do group content but I don't want to get kicked out of every group if I decide to try group content at some point.
NB's are godmode easy, so I'd say level it.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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Reevster✭✭✭✭✭I have mained a Sorc since Beta. Dark Elf destro / fire build. Currently all in magicka points & gear chants. Nothing in health or stam. I don't use shields or wards or floor targeted spells, build is pure offense except degeneration to restore hp and as a dot.
Reading these posts has me very worried. Should I bench her & start levelling my NB (lvl 23) instead? I don't do group content but I don't want to get kicked out of every group if I decide to try group content at some point.
Hasn't everyone leveled a NB by now? Guess not.0 -
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✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
This is literally what magicka sorcs have been defined by and stronger at than anyone else. Cheapest instant mitigation. And they still can do this, the shields just cant be kept up for long periods giving them freedom to constantly weave damage if not addressed..4 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You have to think outside the box when it comes to your Sorc builds. If you love it so much you will look at gear options, build options and even different playstyles all together and make it work. Don't try to look for the new fotm or meta with Sorcs... invent your own meta. Try heavy armor/battlemage type... try a CC/support build... try a magicka regen/tank build... try a screw ZoS I am still sticking with shields and Overload build.
Magicka is weaker now, for sure, but I believe we are closer to balanced. Only other time we were close to balance was 1.5 so this is a step is a good direction.. we will see what happens now.6 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »You have to think outside the box when it comes to your Sorc builds. If you love it so much you will look at gear options, build options and even different playstyles all together and make it work. Don't try to look for the new fotm or meta with Sorcs... invent your own meta. Try heavy armor/battlemage type... try a CC/support build... try a magicka regen/tank build... try a screw ZoS I am still sticking with shields and Overload build.
Magicka is weaker now, for sure, but I believe we are closer to balanced. Only other time we were close to balance was 1.5 so this is a step is a good direction.. we will see what happens now.
Yes, because people love having a CC build or a heavy armor build dps in PvE. More like they'd kick you even faster seeing that and get a real DPS.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD5 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread is pretty funny. A lot of the people complaining about Sorcerers I'm assuming were only using the class to stack shields and use Overload. But, Sorcerers are far more deeper than that. And any "true" Sorcerer will tell you this. Granted the class feels overall much weaker now, and I'll probably main my Magicka Dragonknight... I still crush with my Sorcerer. Even more ironic, a pet build Sorcerer. It's hilarious to see FOTM Stamina Dragonknights and Nightblades run for their lives from a familiar and twilight, while getting merked-on via Crushing Shocks, C-Frags, and Overload light attacks.
Any 'true' sorcerer will tell you the class has been at the bottom of the PvE pyramid for a long time and this new patch saw us to more nerfs not only to survivability, but also to damage and build flexibility.1 -
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✭This thread is pretty funny. A lot of the people complaining about Sorcerers I'm assuming were only using the class to stack shields and use Overload. But, Sorcerers are far more deeper than that. And any "true" Sorcerer will tell you this. Granted the class feels overall much weaker now, and I'll probably main my Magicka Dragonknight... I still crush with my Sorcerer. Even more ironic, a pet build Sorcerer. It's hilarious to see FOTM Stamina Dragonknights and Nightblades run for their lives from a familiar and twilight, while getting merked-on via Crushing Shocks, C-Frags, and Overload light attacks.
I have seen a summoner Sorc in PvP with all pets. It is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. The guys I was grouped with were laughing so much when they died to his little Scamp pet zapping him.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on June 2, 2016 5:33PM1 -
bimbo✭✭✭be smart ppl!!!
If you played any mmorpg, then you should foreseen this, don't stick with one char, you need to main both magicka and stamina, so when they nerf one, you go play the other.EP-NB
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Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread is pretty funny. A lot of the people complaining about Sorcerers I'm assuming were only using the class to stack shields and use Overload. But, Sorcerers are far more deeper than that. And any "true" Sorcerer will tell you this. Granted the class feels overall much weaker now, and I'll probably main my Magicka Dragonknight... I still crush with my Sorcerer. Even more ironic, a pet build Sorcerer. It's hilarious to see FOTM Stamina Dragonknights and Nightblades run for their lives from a familiar and twilight, while getting merked-on via Crushing Shocks, C-Frags, and Overload light attacks.
your assumption would be wrong. i used Hardened ward as my only shield on a destro/dual wield, high crit build relying on Surge for heals, Dawnbreaker was my ult. that build was crushed with DB.
it's destro/resto i wouldn't be able to get out of that.
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Kungfu✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
And how does completely rethinking your build equate to "sorcs are completely broken"?
If you had played a DK from launch, you'd be in here laughing at that quote above. They've had to rewrite their books at almost every major patch / expansion.
Just wait till some people like Feng, King, Sypher, Deltia, etc get a hold of the current sorc. They'll make public the proof that sorcs are actually strong.
Yes... even a magicka sorc.
They will always BE strong due to skill synergy and by making use of what makes them unique in each patch.
In this cycle, the sorc's burst is going to be king. No longer is it about their survivability. It's now about how much you can pre-buff and then how much damage you can land simultaneously. Add a single dot tick in with other attacksand you'll be surprised. Check out the new enchants and stop using your old crap.
Yes. They will require skill to play again. Thank goodness. Now a GOOD sorc will be someone to revere / fear.
@Paralyse give your current build a day in Cyrodiil (after you've researched enchants maybe). I bet you'll find it works pretty well if I guess solely based on what you just described... assuming you have 300-ish cp or more. (Hard to win against 501's if you have less than 300ish imo)Edited by Kungfu on June 2, 2016 5:43PM4 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »You have to think outside the box when it comes to your Sorc builds. If you love it so much you will look at gear options, build options and even different playstyles all together and make it work. Don't try to look for the new fotm or meta with Sorcs... invent your own meta. Try heavy armor/battlemage type... try a CC/support build... try a magicka regen/tank build... try a screw ZoS I am still sticking with shields and Overload build.
Magicka is weaker now, for sure, but I believe we are closer to balanced. Only other time we were close to balance was 1.5 so this is a step is a good direction.. we will see what happens now.
Yes, because people love having a CC build or a heavy armor build dps in PvE. More like they'd kick you even faster seeing that and get a real DPS.
I was just shooting out some ideas. Most of those were for PvP. The overall statement was that you should try different things and see if it works.
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✭I haven't gotten the patch yet, but my only change (I'm thinking) will be to front bar my ward..."IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations1 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
And how does completely rethinking your build equate to "sorcs are completely broken"?
If you had played a DK from launch, you'd be in here laughing at that quote above. They've had to rewrite their books at almost every major patch / expansion.
Just wait till some people like Feng, King, Sypher, Deltia, etc get a hold of the current sorc. They'll make public the proof that sorcs are actually strong.
Yes... even a magicka sorc.
They will always BE strong due to skill synergy and by making use of what makes them unique in each patch.
In this cycle, the sorc's burst is going to be king. No longer is it about their survivability. It's now about how much you can pre-buff and then how much damage you can land simultaneously. Add a single dot tick in with other attacksand you'll be surprised. Check out the new enchants and stop using your old crap.
Yes. They will require skill to play again. Thank goodness. Now a GOOD sorc will be someone to revere / fear.
How exactly you supposed anyone will be able to prove sorcerer's are strong? Magicka sorcerers literally only saw nerfs this patch, we didn't have a single buff except the changes to Negate which still left the ultimate ability the least powerful group utility ultimate...
No, our damage wasn't significantly lowered, but the fact our survivability was obliterated, our group Utility is still insignificant and that other classes damage were actually significantly buffed makes so sorcerers can't compete. And I am not even bringing in the fact it is simply not fun to play sorcerers... We still have too many toggles, some of which we are forced into even though what they grant should be a passive. Magicka sorcerers are still the only class tied to a single option for spammable damage and thus also forced into a fire destro staff... It is pretty horrible.3 -
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✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Go away bad player that can only play on a godmode class. xD
Regardless of whether sorcs have been nerfed, overnerfed or simply changed, this comment is interesting from someone who has left the game because his sorc is no longer over powered...3 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.
See and here is another problem... Sorcerers are already forced to slot a fire destruction staff as their main weapon because we are the only class that has no spammable ability. Now thanks to the heavy nerfs to the class's survivability that didn't come coupled with any buffs to the class's utility or damage, we are also forced into a restoration staff.
It is really lame and the more reliant we become on weapon skills the least damage we do as well as sorcerers gain extra damage for having sorcerer skill slotted in their bars.2 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.
I thought you were a casual . 0.O
Lol I think I am. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe upper-casual.
I get to read and research a lot more than I get to play. But I did get four full hours in over the last two evenings!
I couldn't get a gold key if I wanted to. Does that count?0 -
Llilium✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »So funny. Now sorcs will actually have to slot some comparable health and l2p vs just going in max magick max damage
Says the ones playing the godmode class, LOL. Play another class and L2P before you speak.
^ so i was reading into this thread with curiosity to see if there was an issue with sorc until i met this comment. it was at this point i realized you were just bad and sorc is probably just fine.
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✭✭After the last year of Sorc reign. The tears are like a sweet waterfall.
Sorry I think you may have had some trouble spelling proxdet magblade correctly there."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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✭✭✭✭✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.
I thought you were a casual . 0.O
Lol I think I am. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe upper-casual.
I get to read and research a lot more than I get to play. But I did get four full hours in over the last two evenings!
I couldn't get a gold key if I wanted to. Does that count?
I don't know ... really starting to sound too educated for a casual ...
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✭✭✭✭✭My sorc was my main since the game started. I now have a maxed out character of every class, so I can get a good feel of how they balance out (disclaimer:mainly from a PvE perspective with some PvP tossed in for flavor). This was a large nerf, but I'm testing out various builds to find a way to work around it. I've never abandoned a class after a nerf, and didn't only play the FOTM either. I got most of the way through VMsA with my sorc, but it seems a LOT harder now. I'm hoping to adapt and finish the last 3 levels of it.
What is the new FOTM with this patch? I don't think it's my Templar, although she's at least a solid character. It's probably my magicka Nightblade, although my stam Nightblade is right there too. I'm still trying to adjust my DK to the changes from fire to poison."Get off my lawn!"0 -
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✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »So funny. Now sorcs will actually have to slot some comparable health and l2p vs just going in max magick max damage
Says the ones playing the godmode class, LOL. Play another class and L2P before you speak.
^ so i was reading into this thread with curiosity to see if there was an issue with sorc until i met this comment. it was at this point i realized you were just bad and sorc is probably just fine.
Problems with sorcerers (At least PvE wise):- Extremely poor group Utility.
- Low DPS numbers with both Magicka and stamina builds
- Extremely rigid builds at least for magicka DPS. THe lack of a spammable ability locks Magicka sorcerer's main weapon as a fire destro staff, weapon that isn't benefited at all by our passives.
- Very poor survivability. Surge, our supposed HoT is unreliable as it depends on crits and weaker than other classes HoTs. Our burst heals are locked either behind a pet which requires two or three bar slots or behind a 1.5 interruptible cast time, Our shields duration were nerfed by 70% of their original duration while their cost was actually increased and no utility or any sort of buff was added to them, at least Harness magicka got a buff to compensate its duration nerf.
- Near to no mitigation skills makes sorcerers the worse tanks in the game.
- Heals locked behind a pet and the number of toggles plaguing our bars don't allow sorcerer healers to slot all the skills they'd need to be good raid healers.
Essentially, sorcerers are not good in any PvE role, they have low or equal damage to other classes while bringing no utility what so ever, they can't tank efficiently or heal...4 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Go away bad player that can only play on a godmode class. xD
Regardless of whether sorcs have been nerfed, overnerfed or simply changed, this comment is interesting from someone who has left the game because his sorc is no longer over powered...
For PvE they were barely ok last patch, now they're a liability to a group that has one. I couldn't care less about PvP as that will never be balanced and they should balance around PvE first and foremost with PvP as an afterthought or just separate them completely.Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on June 2, 2016 6:06PMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭rotaugen454 wrote: »My sorc was my main since the game started. I now have a maxed out character of every class, so I can get a good feel of how they balance out (disclaimer:mainly from a PvE perspective with some PvP tossed in for flavor). This was a large nerf, but I'm testing out various builds to find a way to work around it. I've never abandoned a class after a nerf, and didn't only play the FOTM either. I got most of the way through VMsA with my sorc, but it seems a LOT harder now. I'm hoping to adapt and finish the last 3 levels of it.
What is the new FOTM with this patch? I don't think it's my Templar, although she's at least a solid character. It's probably my magicka Nightblade, although my stam Nightblade is right there too. I'm still trying to adjust my DK to the changes from fire to poison.
Stamina DKs and Magicka Nightblades (I think) for PvE DPS.
Stamina Nightblades for PvP burst.
Templars, still firmly the best healers in the game
DKs, still firmly the best tanks in most circumstances.Edited by Grao on June 2, 2016 6:06PM0 -
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If you think ProxDet MagBlades were stronger than Magicka Sorcerers have been the past year, you clearly don't really have a firm grasp on how ESO abilities work.ParaNostram wrote: »
FOTM will be/is Stamina Dragon Knight and anything Templar.
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »So funny. Now sorcs will actually have to slot some comparable health and l2p vs just going in max magick max damage
Says the ones playing the godmode class, LOL. Play another class and L2P before you speak.
i have a sorc that i use for pve. so shut ur mouth boyEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
If you think ProxDet MagBlades were stronger than Magicka Sorcerers have been the past year, you clearly don't really have a firm grasp on how ESO abilities work.ParaNostram wrote: »
And now you're just trying to defend your OP class. xDR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.
See and here is another problem... Sorcerers are already forced to slot a fire destruction staff as their main weapon because we are the only class that has no spammable ability. Now thanks to the heavy nerfs to the class's survivability that didn't come coupled with any buffs to the class's utility or damage, we are also forced into a restoration staff.
It is really lame and the more reliant we become on weapon skills the least damage we do as well as sorcerers gain extra damage for having sorcerer skill slotted in their bars.
Stam sorc has no spammable ability or functional damage abilties - unless you want to count hurricane as a damage ability.
Sorc has cursed and frag procs with an execute that can be preapplied. This has always been core to burst, and burst is core to kills.
If youre playing in your mines, you can tie in more preset *class based damage skills* in that window, and this is before an ult.
They actually have tools, they arent meant to have a spammable DPS ability. Weaving with a destro can fill that roll if needed, and it outperforms weaving bow. Sorcs can still play to their strengths. Shields have been broken for so long, people dont even know that the class exists without them. Shields are the reason I stopped playing magicka sorc, they are so brokenly simple.
Was this change the right fix to shields? I dont think it was, I think there are better solutions, and people have suggested them to no end. But ZOS solutions their way. Thats why my stam sorc has always been and still is weaker than the class people are complaining about in this thread that has been arguably the most well rounded build over the course of the last year straight.
Its fine to complain - welcome to the club. If you expect to gain support, youre unlikely to. This thread is more of less a place for magicka sorcs to gather and complain and earn themselves condescending replies from other players - rightfully so at times.
I dont blame magicka sorcs for playing how they have, they had to ever since ZOS changed armor mitigation way back.
But is your class dead? Nope. You can still perform quite fine. Your shield strength is still there, you just have to have increasing awareness in using it rather than blindly applying it and carrying on about your 100% offensive business until someone decides to turn your direction.11 -
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✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
When your all out, go setup your Sorc with a non shield dependent build. It's been a whole 2 days since the DLC came out. Every class pretty much has to reconsider one thing or another with this DLC. Get back up on your horse and get back in the battle. If not, good luck in your other game.
LOL, most sorcs have to completely rethink their builds just to survive while NB's and templars can just spam one spell over and over and stay alive forever. xD
You mean like Sorc's re-casting their shields now? And those WB spammers who now can't CC and stun....
Sorcs are at least using 2 shields in PvP, 3 if they want to. And that's chewed through by most players in a matter of seconds. One shield on it's own is like 1 attack with hardened ward sitting at 11-12k in PvP.
Time to stop depending on shields maybe. I ditched mine. Try stuff like crit surge and degeneration as a start. Strap a resto on that back bar and go to town if that's not enough.
If that still doesn't help, you're probably still trying face-first tactics you grew used to with shields. Hang back now, use range, use los, and find combos to land.
Btw proxy isn't the only det. I bet the near future will bring out the red headed step morph.
See and here is another problem... Sorcerers are already forced to slot a fire destruction staff as their main weapon because we are the only class that has no spammable ability. Now thanks to the heavy nerfs to the class's survivability that didn't come coupled with any buffs to the class's utility or damage, we are also forced into a restoration staff.
It is really lame and the more reliant we become on weapon skills the least damage we do as well as sorcerers gain extra damage for having sorcerer skill slotted in their bars.
Stam sorc has no spammable ability or functional damage abilties - unless you want to count hurricane as a damage ability.
Sorc has cursed and frag procs with an execute that can be preapplied. This has always been core to burst, and burst is core to kills.
If youre playing in your mines, you can tie in more preset *class based damage skills* in that window, and this is before an ult.
They actually have tools, they arent meant to have a spammable DPS ability. Weaving with a destro can fill that roll if needed, and it outperforms weaving bow. Sorcs can still play to their strengths. Shields have been broken for so long, people dont even know that the class exists without them. Shields are the reason I stopped playing magicka sorc, they are so brokenly simple.
Was this change the right fix to shields? I dont think it was, I think there are better solutions, and people have suggested them to no end. But ZOS solutions their way. Thats why my stam sorc has always been and still is weaker than the class people are complaining about in this thread that has been arguably the most well rounded build over the course of the last year straight.
Its fine to complain - welcome to the club. If you expect to gain support, youre unlikely to. This thread is more of less a place for magicka sorcs to gather and complain and earn themselves condescending replies from other players - rightfully so at times.
I dont blame magicka sorcs for playing how they have, they had to ever since ZOS changed armor mitigation way back.
But is your class dead? Nope. You can still perform quite fine. Your shield strength is still there, you just have to have increasing awareness in using it rather than blindly applying it and carrying on about your 100% offensive business until someone decides to turn your direction.
You are talking PvP, I am talking PvE. Burst is useless in PvE, you need sustained DPS and sorcerers don't have it.
Remember? PvE, the area of the game in which sorcerers are the worse class in every possible role?Edited by Grao on June 2, 2016 6:10PM1