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Good job making sorcs completely useless in PvE
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✭They should at least get a bonus to crafting or harvesting or researching... something.. be the best crafting class since that is what are used for now.0 -
holosoul✭✭✭✭@Lord_Dexter
Templars have a spammable heal as I'm sure you've noticed, if you ever tried to kill one. If you think templar doesn't have survival tools you are a fool at best.
Stamina NBs still have cloak, and most of them regenerate enough magicka to use it once per 6 seconds from 0 magicka. Magicka NBs can use it more or less infinitely, sure, but to imply that stamina NB "doesn't have access to cloak" is facepalm worthy.
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nevermind, didn't realize I was responding to a troll postWe have now excellent healing through pet + 5% buff to health..What else are we expecting for sorcerers?Edited by holosoul on June 2, 2016 7:34PM1 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
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-WrobelEdited by rotaugen454 on June 2, 2016 7:36PM"Get off my lawn!"2 -
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Templars have a spammable heal as I'm sure you've noticed, if you ever tried to kill one. If you think templar doesn't have survival tools you are a fool at best.
Stamina NBs still have cloak, and most of them regenerate enough magicka to use it once per 6 seconds from 0 magicka. Magicka NBs can use it more or less infinitely, sure, but to imply that stamina NB "doesn't have access to cloak" is facepalm worthy.
@holosoul
I know when you get big hit numbers then u do not stand live as Healer...
they may be good in group as Healer but as DPS they are worst than others...
Cloak is not good for End Game PVE for PVP it oks.
Also Sorcerers Pets got now Health Buff in PVP and 5% health buff to Player + lot of healing..
Common use pets now...Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 2, 2016 7:38PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »All others Damage Shields also nerfed to 6 seconds, i do not see it as a problem but justice with other classes.
Between sorcerer's need to change their build now. Same i am gonna do with my Breton V16 Sorcerer....
Well, if we get a cloak etc then it would be justice, yes. Atm they just took the one good defence in PvE for sorcs and gave it to everyone.Lord_Dexter wrote: »All others Damage Shields also nerfed to 6 seconds, i do not see it as a problem but justice with other classes.
Between sorcerer's need to change their build now. Same i am gonna do with my Breton V16 Sorcerer....
All other shields were indeed nerfed to last 6 seconds, but Ward was the sorcerer only real mitigation. Did any other class had their mitigation nerfed by 70%? I don't think so... At the same time sorcerers also took nerfs to their only good heal that doesn't relies on pets, with Surge being shot down. Did other classes had their heals obliterated? I don't think so...
At the same time, we got no buffs, at least not to magicka builds, our utility is still pretty low... Even our DPS was nerfed with Curse no longer being affected by Thaumaturgy. Apparently the skill is suddenly not a DoT... Somehow... Even though it doesn't break Rune Cage... Eh, go understand...
Magicka Sorcers are always relying on Ward + Harness Magicka.
They will do same, what templars have shield? they are suffering more as they shield is based on health instead of Magicka.. I have V16 Breton Magicka Templar and Yes i do not have good damage shield...
What Nightbalde shield is? cloak? not everyone have Magicka NB....
We have now excellent healing through pet + 5% buff to health..What else are we expecting for sorcerers?
It's over... NB's won. Just re-roll for a DK, NB, or Templar... It's over for the Sorcerer class... The mindset of the developers even proves it.1 -
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@Grao
They are only summoners and get Damage buff per class skill in ability bar.
They have now lot of self healing via pets... problem is most of people do not want pets for End Game contents..Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 2, 2016 7:40PM0 -
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classes? naw, but i can point out players that can use EACH class superior to another. do you think that the sorcerer in the video posted before was the lowest dps in that group? i doubt it, which means he is bringing a sorcerer and doing that content better than other classes as a dps rollEdited by iam117 on June 2, 2016 7:42PM<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol2 -
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I generally try to refrain from doing this... but in this instance it really is...
Wait for it...
an L2P issue.Server: PC - North America - Daggerfall/Ebonheart
Guilds: Order of the Bear | From The Dust
Blaze | Sorcerer | DC | Former Empress
Ulterior Motive | Templar | DC
Detka's Tank | Dragon Knight | DC
Tëmpëst | Sorceror | EP | Former Emperor
Fíre | Nightblade | EP
'Fire| Nightblade | DC
Spëctrë | Templar | DC
Ashléy Olsén| Dragon Knight | EP6 -
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Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).#MOREORBS2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »
@Grao
They are only summoners and get Damage buff per class skill in ability bar.
They have now lot of self healing via pets... problem is most of people do not want pets for End Game contents..
Those pets have to be double bar to keep them, which takes away other skill slots. I know my sorc got nerfed (disclaimer: with his present build), so I'm going to experiment and see if I can create a new setup that works. By the time I put Bound Armor and pets on both bars, I start running out of skill slots."Get off my lawn!"0 -
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Its ok, dont play your sorc, make your team non-competitve. I'll be having at least 2 in my group, which should speed up our trial runtime significantly.1 -
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I generally try to refrain from doing this... but in this instance it really is...
Wait for it...
an L2P issue.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »
@Grao
They are only summoners and get Damage buff per class skill in ability bar.
They have now lot of self healing via pets... problem is most of people do not want pets for End Game contents..
Those pets have to be double bar to keep them, which takes away other skill slots. I know my sorc got nerfed (disclaimer: with his present build), so I'm going to experiment and see if I can create a new setup that works. By the time I put Bound Armor and pets on both bars, I start running out of skill slots.
Pets required on double bar is a pain which should have some relaxation for Sorcerers....
i.e. Players should not be able to use special but pet to be remain alive....Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 2, 2016 7:52PM0 -
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Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).
2nd best in one role while every other class is the best in at least one role. Ok.0 -
rokrdt05✭✭✭✭@Nifty2g this has to be a troll thread.Server: PC - North America - Daggerfall/Ebonheart
Guilds: Order of the Bear | From The Dust
Blaze | Sorcerer | DC | Former Empress
Ulterior Motive | Templar | DC
Detka's Tank | Dragon Knight | DC
Tëmpëst | Sorceror | EP | Former Emperor
Fíre | Nightblade | EP
'Fire| Nightblade | DC
Spëctrë | Templar | DC
Ashléy Olsén| Dragon Knight | EP0 -
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Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).
2nd best in one role while every other class is the best in at least one role. Ok.
No doubt sorcer class skills for DPS are worst then other class either they have Damage issue or Cast Time..Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 2, 2016 7:51PM0 -
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Go on...
Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).
2nd best in one role while every other class is the best in at least one role. Ok.
I really dislike the flavor of the month discussion this is heading towards thoughEdited by Nifty2g on June 2, 2016 7:52PM#MOREORBS0 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
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Go on...
Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).
2nd best in one role while every other class is the best in at least one role. Ok.
I really dislike the flavor of the month discussion this is heading towards though
Go on what...?
The game has 4 classes and 4 basic PvE roles, Magicka DPS, Stamina DPS, Tank and Healer. Logic dictates each class should be the best at one of those roles, but that is not the case.
You say sorcerers are 2nd best Magicka DPS, I think we are 3rd, but eitherway... At the same we are also the worse at everyone of the other roles... So, 2nd best at one role and worse at every other. DKs are the best tanks and Stamina DPS, Nightblades are the best Magicka DPS and Templars are the best healers... Where is the balance in that? You can still look at this and say sorcerers are fine...?2 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭Bluepitbull13 wrote: »
No, the class is as good as the math for the class allows it to be. Games are math at the end of the day. Some players will be better than others, but class potential is all about numbers and sorcerers are lacking.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@FENGRUSH technically as Im xbox Im still in that patch. But Bow, DW... my point being ANY stamina class has WAY more options.
Vigor, Caltrops, WB, Poison injection, steel tornado, flurry, rally, snipe, shuffle, those other non mentioned abilities
Not everything is BiS or even viable, but at least there are options.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@FENGRUSH technically as Im xbox Im still in that patch. But Bow, DW... my point being ANY stamina class has WAY more options.
Vigor, Caltrops, WB, Poison injection, steel tornado, flurry, rally, snipe, shuffle, those other non mentioned abilities
Not everything is BiS or even viable, but at least there are options.
Lol, like Crystal Fragment's other morph, or the Mage Guild's Volcanic Rune and morphs! There really are options out there for people to use, if we look hard enough! I wonder, should I somehow try to incorporate Dark Deal into my Sorcerer build for sustain? Kappa1 -
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Hmm, I'm going to have to disagree.
Go on...
Magicka DPS, Sorcerer when played correctly it seems like it is getting the second highest DPS in raids (from what I have seen).
2nd best in one role while every other class is the best in at least one role. Ok.
I really dislike the flavor of the month discussion this is heading towards though
Go on what...?
The game has 4 classes and 4 basic PvE roles, Magicka DPS, Stamina DPS, Tank and Healer. Logic dictates each class should be the best at one of those roles, but that is not the case.
You say sorcerers are 2nd best Magicka DPS, I think we are 3rd, but eitherway... At the same we are also the worse at everyone of the other roles... So, 2nd best at one role and worse at every other. DKs are the best tanks and Stamina DPS, Nightblades are the best Magicka DPS and Templars are the best healers... Where is the balance in that? You can still look at this and say sorcerers are fine...?
Tanking: Dragonknight
Stamina DPS: Dragonknight
Magicka DPS: Hard to say right now, no one really got changes so I'll say raw damage would be Dragonknights
Healer: Templar
That leaves out Nightblades and Sorcerers, while they are left out, there are some situations based on the player and RNG they can be top. But just judging from generality and what is the most seen top DPS are usually those classes, but yeah. This is a generality and it changes a lot based on who the player is.
Lets not forget the utility both a Sorcerer and Nightblade bring to the groups
Yes I still look at this and say it is fine because it's purely based on the player, I know a lot of great sorcerers out there, a lot of the others are stuck in the past and trying to use old builds instead of checking their own out.
P.S: In terms of Magicka DPS, all classes are almost on the same level while bringing great synergies to the groups to buff each other.Edited by Nifty2g on June 2, 2016 8:05PM#MOREORBS2 -
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No, the class is as good as the math for the class allows it to be. Games are math at the end of the day. Some players will be better than others, but class potential is all about numbers and sorcerers are lacking.
and you're at your limit? there's no chance you could improve? that you have reached the upper echelon that you have already maximized the Magicka Sorc class limit that at this point the game is hindering you?
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iam117✭✭✭Any 'true' sorcerer will tell you the class has been at the bottom of the PvE pyramid for a long time and this new patch saw us to more nerfs not only to survivability, but also to damage and build flexibility.
Remember? PvE, the area of the game in which sorcerers are the worse class in every possible role?
You say sorcerers are 2nd best Magicka DPS, I think we are 3rd, but eitherway...
make up your mind<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol1 -
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✭Bluepitbull13 wrote: »
No, the class is as good as the math for the class allows it to be. Games are math at the end of the day. Some players will be better than others, but class potential is all about numbers and sorcerers are lacking.
and you're at your limit? there's no chance you could improve? that you have reached the upper echelon that you have already maximized the Magicka Sorc class limit that at this point the game is hindering you?
Oh, I do fine with my sorcerer... I can complete the content and all that, my argument is that I can do far better with other classes because the classes are better. Simple as that... Math. Not to mention playing the other classes is also more fun, you are not hindered by a number of toggles and some of the worse skills in the game.
Of course this thread is an exaggeration, sorcerers can play the game, they are simply not the best at anything while other classes are... And that is a balance issue, one that has been around for a long while...0
