God_flakes wrote: »Crispen_Longbow wrote: »The first place to look after losing a fight should always be the mirror. Cheating is a reality in most games, but unless it can be proven, it is not the reason you lost that fight -- today or six months ago.
Even in games with no cheats available, it is common for the best players to be constantly accused of cheating. Not many people are humble enough to accept they do not know everything about a game or that somebody else may have better senses or motor skills.
AFAIK there is no game that has no-one cheating. Every game I personally have ever been involved with has had at some point a cheating scandal
Maybe a common denominator of those games was the above section in bold. Couldn't resist, you walked right into that one.
Lol well I did preface that with the As Far As I Know, also how could I speak on something I have not been personally a part of? Isn't that exactly what a lot of these cheating cries are about? Hearsay, conjecture and subterfuge?
That's not my bag, baby.
Except we now know with 100% CERTAINTY there is cheating going on!!!!!! It isn't baseless conjecture anymore. Come on nah. Just knock it off.
God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »To the cheating apologists: stop putting lipstick on the pig. Stop trying to mitigate this. Stop minimizing it. Idgaf that this has happened in other games. I care that it's so rampant and in your face now in THIS game. And I want to know what is being done about it because from where I sit it looks like a big fat nothing and Zos owes their customers some sort of explanation of an action plan to rectify this.
All I'm saying is that recent revelations alone do not prove that anyone in particular is a cheater. I estimate 99.99% of accusations of cheating I've observed are completely baseless. Now and before.
Too many people are using this controversy as an excuse to justify losing.
The reason cheating is bad is because it's unfair to other players. So are baseless accusations. By making them, one becomes as bad as an actual cheater.
You have your anecdotal evidence and I have mine. Wanna see the screenshot I have that lists some of the banned people and those who are known to use the CE and have yet to be caught? You've had your experiences in game and I've had mine. We all win at times and we all lose at times. It isn't as simple as "the people complaining are the people who are losing" so enough with that garbage. Here we have a top DC streamer helping out this and sharing his concerns about it being used in subtle ways to give guilds and players a winning edge and people like you are going to continue to deny and minimize? Please. Spare me. We are well beyond that. We are beyond speculation. I think human nature being what it is we can safely assume a LOT of players are and have been using this very, very easy engine.
God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »To the cheating apologists: stop putting lipstick on the pig. Stop trying to mitigate this. Stop minimizing it. Idgaf that this has happened in other games. I care that it's so rampant and in your face now in THIS game. And I want to know what is being done about it because from where I sit it looks like a big fat nothing and Zos owes their customers some sort of explanation of an action plan to rectify this.
All I'm saying is that recent revelations alone do not prove that anyone in particular is a cheater. I estimate 99.99% of accusations of cheating I've observed are completely baseless. Now and before.
Too many people are using this controversy as an excuse to justify losing.
The reason cheating is bad is because it's unfair to other players. So are baseless accusations. By making them, one becomes as bad as an actual cheater.
You have your anecdotal evidence and I have mine. Wanna see the screenshot I have that lists some of the banned people and those who are known to use the CE and have yet to be caught? You've had your experiences in game and I've had mine. We all win at times and we all lose at times. It isn't as simple as "the people complaining are the people who are losing" so enough with that garbage. Here we have a top DC streamer helping out this and sharing his concerns about it being used in subtle ways to give guilds and players a winning edge and people like you are going to continue to deny and minimize? Please. Spare me. We are well beyond that. We are beyond speculation. I think human nature being what it is we can safely assume a LOT of players are and have been using this very, very easy engine.
The #1 thing I agree on is: ZOS needs a more active in game presence for issues like this. You can't tell me that if a GM logged on and witnessed someone cheating it wouldn't be enough to issue an immediate perma-ban.
I hate to say it but I can do something terrible on the forums and receive a ban quicker than I can receive a ban in game for blatantly cheating like said players were.
Has anyone ever seen a GM online in ESO? I havent lol, I play up to 12 hpours a day at times....have not seen one yet.
Ghost-Shot wrote: »themdogesbite wrote: »Watching how broken this game is and how much more broken it gets with every so called "update" is disgusting. I'd rather have all the perma batswarm *** over what we have now. Atleast i would have normal FPS and SOUND.
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RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »The #1 thing I agree on is: ZOS needs a more active in game presence for issues like this. You can't tell me that if a GM logged on and witnessed someone cheating it wouldn't be enough to issue an immediate perma-ban.
I hate to say it but I can do something terrible on the forums and receive a ban quicker than I can receive a ban in game for blatantly cheating like said players were.
Has anyone ever seen a GM online in ESO? I havent lol, I play up to 12 hpours a day at times....have not seen one yet.
Yes, not only have I seen one in game, they helped fix the problem for me that I was having at the time. It was a character eating cave. Not only did the gm save the character from the cave, it was fixed in the next patch. Granted, I think that they knew about the bug that I found by accident ahead of time.
@FENGRUSH
Dude, regardless of the hack itself... The devs said at some point that flying or levitating was not possible for some reasons... so this proves that it is not only possible but a hacker can do it, so flying is a possibility in the game, which would add another depth of cool possibilities.
I feel like you hit it right on the money with people questioning other's abilities. It's bad enough that prior to this I'd get hate tells saying I'm a cheater and the shuffle exploit BS, now it's going to be a *** show.
This will be the nail on the coffin for a lot of players on playing eso from now on. I'm even questioning whether I wanna play anymore
rfennell_ESO wrote: »I feel like you hit it right on the money with people questioning other's abilities. It's bad enough that prior to this I'd get hate tells saying I'm a cheater and the shuffle exploit BS, now it's going to be a *** show.
This will be the nail on the coffin for a lot of players on playing eso from now on. I'm even questioning whether I wanna play anymore
Heh Hehehehee Lol Hahahahahhaaaa
^^
It's amazing how some of the most blatant ones are so innocent.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »I feel like you hit it right on the money with people questioning other's abilities. It's bad enough that prior to this I'd get hate tells saying I'm a cheater and the shuffle exploit BS, now it's going to be a *** show.
This will be the nail on the coffin for a lot of players on playing eso from now on. I'm even questioning whether I wanna play anymore
Heh Hehehehee Lol Hahahahahhaaaa
^^
It's amazing how some of the most blatant ones are so innocent.
Stop accusing everyone who beats you of using CE, you are a broken record in every thread I see your name.
Further more if you don't understand how something like CE fundamentally works, stop running your mouth and making exaggerations about its capabilities.
God_flakes wrote: »Every single person that comes here and tries to downplay the CE needs to understand how bad they're making themselves look. Deep holes and all.
God_flakes wrote: »Every single person that comes here and tries to downplay the CE needs to understand how bad they're making themselves look. Deep holes and all.
Who is downplaying the use of CE? I don't see that anywhere.
God_flakes wrote: »Every single person that comes here and tries to downplay the CE needs to understand how bad they're making themselves look. Deep holes and all.
God_flakes wrote: »Every single person that comes here and tries to downplay the CE needs to understand how bad they're making themselves look. Deep holes and all.
Who is downplaying the use of CE? I don't see that anywhere.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »I feel like you hit it right on the money with people questioning other's abilities. It's bad enough that prior to this I'd get hate tells saying I'm a cheater and the shuffle exploit BS, now it's going to be a *** show.
This will be the nail on the coffin for a lot of players on playing eso from now on. I'm even questioning whether I wanna play anymore
Heh Hehehehee Lol Hahahahahhaaaa
^^
It's amazing how some of the most blatant ones are so innocent.
Stop accusing everyone who beats you of using CE, you are a broken record in every thread I see your name.
Further more if you don't understand how something like CE fundamentally works, stop running your mouth and making exaggerations about its capabilities.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »Every single person that comes here and tries to downplay the CE needs to understand how bad they're making themselves look. Deep holes and all.
Who is downplaying the use of CE? I don't see that anywhere.rfennell_ESO wrote: »I feel like you hit it right on the money with people questioning other's abilities. It's bad enough that prior to this I'd get hate tells saying I'm a cheater and the shuffle exploit BS, now it's going to be a *** show.
This will be the nail on the coffin for a lot of players on playing eso from now on. I'm even questioning whether I wanna play anymore
Heh Hehehehee Lol Hahahahahhaaaa
^^
It's amazing how some of the most blatant ones are so innocent.
Stop accusing everyone who beats you of using CE, you are a broken record in every thread I see your name.
Further more if you don't understand how something like CE fundamentally works, stop running your mouth and making exaggerations about its capabilities.
Wonder how he knows so certainly.
Then again he was always the it isn't macros guy, turned out he was right... but that's because he knew what it was all along.
If I'm exaggerating it's capabilities... how would you know (wink wink) and what are they then?
For there to be so many cheaters (hackers I guess), I don't see any (not a one) owning up to a thing or even saying what was possible.
I'm pretty sure when I first saw this CE crap it was a certain bbq guy with super fast wrecking blows, and that's a while back. I figured it was some sort of macro, mostly because I don't run memory hacking programs.
The capabilites of cheat engine in this game are pretty much unlimited because of the way that the variables are stored on the client and the server accepts those variables as gospel truth.
As long as you can identify the physical memory location of the variable and its expected states, you can then modify them to your hearts content.
I believe only economic and itemization data is stored on the server, so anything player related can be altered. That includes:
Regen
Max stats
Ultimate Gain
Damage Mitigation
Movement Speed
Clipping
Cost reduction
Infinite block
infinite dodge
infinite roll
teleportation
super jump
These ^ are all 100% confirmed working in the game, noclip and movement speed are what will get you banned the quickest and are the most visible.
Roehamad_Ali wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »Every single person that comes here and tries to downplay the CE needs to understand how bad they're making themselves look. Deep holes and all.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »Every single person that comes here and tries to downplay the CE needs to understand how bad they're making themselves look. Deep holes and all.
Who is downplaying the use of CE? I don't see that anywhere.rfennell_ESO wrote: »I feel like you hit it right on the money with people questioning other's abilities. It's bad enough that prior to this I'd get hate tells saying I'm a cheater and the shuffle exploit BS, now it's going to be a *** show.
This will be the nail on the coffin for a lot of players on playing eso from now on. I'm even questioning whether I wanna play anymore
Heh Hehehehee Lol Hahahahahhaaaa
^^
It's amazing how some of the most blatant ones are so innocent.
Stop accusing everyone who beats you of using CE, you are a broken record in every thread I see your name.
Further more if you don't understand how something like CE fundamentally works, stop running your mouth and making exaggerations about its capabilities.
Wonder how he knows so certainly.
Then again he was always the it isn't macros guy, turned out he was right... but that's because he knew what it was all along.
If I'm exaggerating it's capabilities... how would you know (wink wink) and what are they then?
For there to be so many cheaters (hackers I guess), I don't see any (not a one) owning up to a thing or even saying what was possible.
I'm pretty sure when I first saw this CE crap it was a certain bbq guy with super fast wrecking blows, and that's a while back. I figured it was some sort of macro, mostly because I don't run memory hacking programs.
I was right because I did my homework and researched the issues, instead of making false assumptions like you did.