Sorcerer - Wards Dark Brotherhood

Grao · June 2016

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Stop complaining and go play, the more you hate on this change the less time you will have to actually adapt to it.

The adaptation most sorcerers are now contemplating is simply abandoning the class all together. ZOS did make it much easier to level up an alt afterall and since they obliterated every fun aspect of playing a sorcerer this last patch (there weren't many left to begging with), leveling a stamina DK or a Magicka NB or maybe a Magicka Templar are without a doubt better alternatives than struggling with class skills that are simply put, lackluster.

Grao · June 2016

kasa-obake wrote: »

Seriously, how come there are so many "omg shields. How will i protect my glorious body now" threads, but only a few mention that sorcs have lost so much build diversity with the loss of DBOS, webs, and deto. Basically, you're either reduced to mine and atro camping, or overload spamming with your pet circus.
Or wait, you can be a healing springs/combat prayer/purge *** and play with negate bubbles in a group.

Our topic in the PTS feedback section was huge and mentioned all those issues and several more in over 2000 posts. It was all pretty much ignored as @Wrobel stated he has no plans to change things for sorcerers...

Junkogen · June 2016

Ryuho wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

old story, announced a while ago and could have been tested on the pts. just one of the annoying sorc nerfs.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Empowered Ward increased to 10 seconds as of the latest update, so half as much from before.

who's using this shield anyway? It's a joke. absolutely no reason to use it.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I don't see what difference it makes, you use shields as you need them. If you are fighting someone that doesn't put your shield down in 6 seconds, you really don't need a shield to beat them.....

That's not the point. You will have to recast it earlier. otherwise you will simply get punished with some burst at the right moment. leaving you to cast it every ~3 seconds. and this in combination with increased costs. this is just once again a very bad design made by our favorite Wrobler.

Junkogen wrote: »

I actually have an Altmer Sorc like everyone else in the game. You're telling me that a nerfed shield duration breaks your build? Come on, now. Sorc is easy to play. You send your pets in to tank and then overload light attack. Rinse and repeat.

sorry, but you just disqualified yourself when you mentioned pets and overload. Please go and stick to some other class and never write a comment in a sorc related thread ever again. thank you.

Edit: Besides I'm more pis*** about the Inevitable detonation nerf >_<.

Not agree. Empowered ward is one of the most understimated skills in this game. It gives u (at least for me with 40k magicka and 25% stronger shields) 2.5k less shield than hardened ward, but instead of that its cheaper ~ 300 mana and provides u with extra 10% more magicka recovery which allows to spam it much often than hardened.

2.1 m recovery (with emp up), 40k magicka, 2.8 spell dmg buffed (with new power glyph - 3.4k spell dmg) - with destro staff (ofc lightning - cause its undogable and proc implosion).

I am using only sorc skills on my main bar, casue 10% more spell dmg is way to go, I dont need "spammable" skills for pvp, I spam shield, curse, wrath which proc my crystal, It's more than enough to kill som1..

Most of sorcs are to used to esy mode, which offered proxy + dawnbrkr combo and triple shield spam meta.

I droped my sorc and played nb, casue got sick of my sorc when fighting really bad players whos performed good only casue they shieldstacked like mad and I needed several minutes to kill such player... Jsut bleh..

I played yesterday some time b4 2nd maintance, was beautiful to me that I was able to kill another sorc with crystal + wrath combo, 2 skills and he got rekt, casue his shield ran off.

As I wrote b4 this change will eliminate bad sorcs.

I am only not happy with surge changes, 2.7k - 3k crit heal is definitly to low for magicka sorc, It shouldn't be affected by battle spirit. And ofc I agree that sorc need some adjustment for pve to be competitive with other DDs, but from pvp perspective imo sorc its OK, could be a bit better (surge/toggles).

Sounds like Sorcs can still do just fine. The fact is magblade got nerfed hard, too. Cloak is a glitchy, easily countered defensive ability and proxy det was a huge part of their burst damage. Magblades are just as squishy as mag Sorcs without a class shield or spammable heal either. Plus, all our siphon abilites are nerfed by battle spirit just like crit surge. To me, it seems like Sorcs just lost their divinity and are now having to grapple with mortality like the rest of us. So you can't take on half a zerg now. You'll just have to group up and employ teamwork like the rest of us to survive.

Did ZOS overdo it? Probably, that's what Wrobel is known for, but something had to be done. Much like other classes that have been carved out, I'm sure you'll regain some lost power in future patches and be back on top. Look at Templars and how they've been resurrected.

Lucky28 · June 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

old story, announced a while ago and could have been tested on the pts. just one of the annoying sorc nerfs.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Empowered Ward increased to 10 seconds as of the latest update, so half as much from before.

who's using this shield anyway? It's a joke. absolutely no reason to use it.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I don't see what difference it makes, you use shields as you need them. If you are fighting someone that doesn't put your shield down in 6 seconds, you really don't need a shield to beat them.....

That's not the point. You will have to recast it earlier. otherwise you will simply get punished with some burst at the right moment. leaving you to cast it every ~3 seconds. and this in combination with increased costs. this is just once again a very bad design made by our favorite Wrobler.

Junkogen wrote: »

I actually have an Altmer Sorc like everyone else in the game. You're telling me that a nerfed shield duration breaks your build? Come on, now. Sorc is easy to play. You send your pets in to tank and then overload light attack. Rinse and repeat.

sorry, but you just disqualified yourself when you mentioned pets and overload. Please go and stick to some other class and never write a comment in a sorc related thread ever again. thank you.

Edit: Besides I'm more pis*** about the Inevitable detonation nerf >_<.

Not agree. Empowered ward is one of the most understimated skills in this game. It gives u (at least for me with 40k magicka and 25% stronger shields) 2.5k less shield than hardened ward, but instead of that its cheaper ~ 300 mana and provides u with extra 10% more magicka recovery which allows to spam it much often than hardened.

2.1 m recovery (with emp up), 40k magicka, 2.8 spell dmg buffed (with new power glyph - 3.4k spell dmg) - with destro staff (ofc lightning - cause its undogable and proc implosion).

I am using only sorc skills on my main bar, casue 10% more spell dmg is way to go, I dont need "spammable" skills for pvp, I spam shield, curse, wrath which proc my crystal, It's more than enough to kill som1..

Most of sorcs are to used to esy mode, which offered proxy + dawnbrkr combo and triple shield spam meta.

I droped my sorc and played nb, casue got sick of my sorc when fighting really bad players whos performed good only casue they shieldstacked like mad and I needed several minutes to kill such player... Jsut bleh..

I played yesterday some time b4 2nd maintance, was beautiful to me that I was able to kill another sorc with crystal + wrath combo, 2 skills and he got rekt, casue his shield ran off.

As I wrote b4 this change will eliminate bad sorcs.

I am only not happy with surge changes, 2.7k - 3k crit heal is definitly to low for magicka sorc, It shouldn't be affected by battle spirit. And ofc I agree that sorc need some adjustment for pve to be competitive with other DDs, but from pvp perspective imo sorc its OK, could be a bit better (surge/toggles).

Sounds like Sorcs can still do just fine. The fact is magblade got nerfed hard, too. Cloak is a glitchy, easily countered defensive ability and proxy det was a huge part of their burst damage. Magblades are just as squishy as mag Sorcs without a class shield or spammable heal either. Plus, all our siphon abilites are nerfed by battle spirit just like crit surge. To me, it seems like Sorcs just lost their divinity and are now having to grapple with mortality like the rest of us. So you can't take on half a zerg now. You'll just have to group up and employ teamwork like the rest of us to survive.

Did ZOS overdo it? Probably, that's what Wrobel is known for, but something had to be done. Much like other classes that have been carved out, I'm sure you'll regain some lost power in future patches and be back on top. Look at Templars and how they've been resurrected.

oh no they are not. My magblade (without wards) is as tanky as my sorc (with three wards) magblade is not squishy at all.

Archmage1 · June 2016

Sorc as it stands is a joke compared to other classes now. Nerfs to shields, surge and no buffs. We were already on the low end of PvE DPS and now even lower. When will they listen to the community? Makes no sense. The explanations from @Wrobel had no substance to the actual problems raised from the DB DLC.

Junkogen · June 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

old story, announced a while ago and could have been tested on the pts. just one of the annoying sorc nerfs.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Empowered Ward increased to 10 seconds as of the latest update, so half as much from before.

who's using this shield anyway? It's a joke. absolutely no reason to use it.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I don't see what difference it makes, you use shields as you need them. If you are fighting someone that doesn't put your shield down in 6 seconds, you really don't need a shield to beat them.....

That's not the point. You will have to recast it earlier. otherwise you will simply get punished with some burst at the right moment. leaving you to cast it every ~3 seconds. and this in combination with increased costs. this is just once again a very bad design made by our favorite Wrobler.

Junkogen wrote: »

I actually have an Altmer Sorc like everyone else in the game. You're telling me that a nerfed shield duration breaks your build? Come on, now. Sorc is easy to play. You send your pets in to tank and then overload light attack. Rinse and repeat.

sorry, but you just disqualified yourself when you mentioned pets and overload. Please go and stick to some other class and never write a comment in a sorc related thread ever again. thank you.

Edit: Besides I'm more pis*** about the Inevitable detonation nerf >_<.

Not agree. Empowered ward is one of the most understimated skills in this game. It gives u (at least for me with 40k magicka and 25% stronger shields) 2.5k less shield than hardened ward, but instead of that its cheaper ~ 300 mana and provides u with extra 10% more magicka recovery which allows to spam it much often than hardened.

2.1 m recovery (with emp up), 40k magicka, 2.8 spell dmg buffed (with new power glyph - 3.4k spell dmg) - with destro staff (ofc lightning - cause its undogable and proc implosion).

I am using only sorc skills on my main bar, casue 10% more spell dmg is way to go, I dont need "spammable" skills for pvp, I spam shield, curse, wrath which proc my crystal, It's more than enough to kill som1..

Most of sorcs are to used to esy mode, which offered proxy + dawnbrkr combo and triple shield spam meta.

I droped my sorc and played nb, casue got sick of my sorc when fighting really bad players whos performed good only casue they shieldstacked like mad and I needed several minutes to kill such player... Jsut bleh..

I played yesterday some time b4 2nd maintance, was beautiful to me that I was able to kill another sorc with crystal + wrath combo, 2 skills and he got rekt, casue his shield ran off.

As I wrote b4 this change will eliminate bad sorcs.

I am only not happy with surge changes, 2.7k - 3k crit heal is definitly to low for magicka sorc, It shouldn't be affected by battle spirit. And ofc I agree that sorc need some adjustment for pve to be competitive with other DDs, but from pvp perspective imo sorc its OK, could be a bit better (surge/toggles).

Sounds like Sorcs can still do just fine. The fact is magblade got nerfed hard, too. Cloak is a glitchy, easily countered defensive ability and proxy det was a huge part of their burst damage. Magblades are just as squishy as mag Sorcs without a class shield or spammable heal either. Plus, all our siphon abilites are nerfed by battle spirit just like crit surge. To me, it seems like Sorcs just lost their divinity and are now having to grapple with mortality like the rest of us. So you can't take on half a zerg now. You'll just have to group up and employ teamwork like the rest of us to survive.

Did ZOS overdo it? Probably, that's what Wrobel is known for, but something had to be done. Much like other classes that have been carved out, I'm sure you'll regain some lost power in future patches and be back on top. Look at Templars and how they've been resurrected.

oh no they are not. My magblade (without wards) is as tanky as my sorc (with three wards) magblade is not squishy at all.

For real? PM me your build. I'm having trouble believing that.

Lucky28 · June 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

old story, announced a while ago and could have been tested on the pts. just one of the annoying sorc nerfs.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Empowered Ward increased to 10 seconds as of the latest update, so half as much from before.

who's using this shield anyway? It's a joke. absolutely no reason to use it.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I don't see what difference it makes, you use shields as you need them. If you are fighting someone that doesn't put your shield down in 6 seconds, you really don't need a shield to beat them.....

That's not the point. You will have to recast it earlier. otherwise you will simply get punished with some burst at the right moment. leaving you to cast it every ~3 seconds. and this in combination with increased costs. this is just once again a very bad design made by our favorite Wrobler.

Junkogen wrote: »

I actually have an Altmer Sorc like everyone else in the game. You're telling me that a nerfed shield duration breaks your build? Come on, now. Sorc is easy to play. You send your pets in to tank and then overload light attack. Rinse and repeat.

sorry, but you just disqualified yourself when you mentioned pets and overload. Please go and stick to some other class and never write a comment in a sorc related thread ever again. thank you.

Edit: Besides I'm more pis*** about the Inevitable detonation nerf >_<.

Not agree. Empowered ward is one of the most understimated skills in this game. It gives u (at least for me with 40k magicka and 25% stronger shields) 2.5k less shield than hardened ward, but instead of that its cheaper ~ 300 mana and provides u with extra 10% more magicka recovery which allows to spam it much often than hardened.

2.1 m recovery (with emp up), 40k magicka, 2.8 spell dmg buffed (with new power glyph - 3.4k spell dmg) - with destro staff (ofc lightning - cause its undogable and proc implosion).

I am using only sorc skills on my main bar, casue 10% more spell dmg is way to go, I dont need "spammable" skills for pvp, I spam shield, curse, wrath which proc my crystal, It's more than enough to kill som1..

Most of sorcs are to used to esy mode, which offered proxy + dawnbrkr combo and triple shield spam meta.

I droped my sorc and played nb, casue got sick of my sorc when fighting really bad players whos performed good only casue they shieldstacked like mad and I needed several minutes to kill such player... Jsut bleh..

I played yesterday some time b4 2nd maintance, was beautiful to me that I was able to kill another sorc with crystal + wrath combo, 2 skills and he got rekt, casue his shield ran off.

As I wrote b4 this change will eliminate bad sorcs.

I am only not happy with surge changes, 2.7k - 3k crit heal is definitly to low for magicka sorc, It shouldn't be affected by battle spirit. And ofc I agree that sorc need some adjustment for pve to be competitive with other DDs, but from pvp perspective imo sorc its OK, could be a bit better (surge/toggles).

Sounds like Sorcs can still do just fine. The fact is magblade got nerfed hard, too. Cloak is a glitchy, easily countered defensive ability and proxy det was a huge part of their burst damage. Magblades are just as squishy as mag Sorcs without a class shield or spammable heal either. Plus, all our siphon abilites are nerfed by battle spirit just like crit surge. To me, it seems like Sorcs just lost their divinity and are now having to grapple with mortality like the rest of us. So you can't take on half a zerg now. You'll just have to group up and employ teamwork like the rest of us to survive.

Did ZOS overdo it? Probably, that's what Wrobel is known for, but something had to be done. Much like other classes that have been carved out, I'm sure you'll regain some lost power in future patches and be back on top. Look at Templars and how they've been resurrected.

oh no they are not. My magblade (without wards) is as tanky as my sorc (with three wards) magblade is not squishy at all.

For real? PM me your build. I'm having trouble believing that.

it's not really that special and didn't take me long to think of it.

5 pc kags. (infused/divines)
3 pc willpower
2 pc malubeth/Narien'eth

CP:
40 - tumbling
47 - Arcanist
80 - Magician

37 - hardy
55 - elemental defender
75 - quick recovery

a different method of survivability between Sorc and magblade similar result. if i actually went impen i could be more tanky then my sorc, but never felt like making another set.

gamerguy757 · June 2016

The shield nerf isn't so bad. Seriously. The 6s is nothing. You have to recast them all the time anyway. It's CritSorcs that took a hit. Just drop the Julianos and make a new build. Here's my new sorc build.

3x Willpower (1 ring, 1 necklace, 1 Inferno Staff, 1 Resto)
3x Transmutation (1 Ring, 2 armor [divines])
4x Succession (4 armor [divines])
1x Molag Kena (1 armor [divines])
Mage Mundus

This build maxes magic levels for stronger shields, and also has much more recovery than the Julianos Crit Build.

Waffennacht · June 2016

I'm upset about the removal of variety.

If you choose to DW I know exactly what moves you have (because there are only so many choices)
And if you're destro I know what you are running.

Again there are only so many choices.

GrigorijMalahevich · June 2016

With all the cost increases and overall DPS drop every sorc is forces to run sustain builds with destro staff. Anything else is just ridicolous.

Quite funny that Mr Wrobel wanted to enforce more variaty, but actually destroyed a class and forced one build.

I really struggle to think of any game where sorc/mage class has the lowest DPS in PvP and PvE...

bardx86 · June 2016

velocidad wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

- Conjured Ward: Reduced the duration of this ability and the Hardened Ward morph to 6 seconds from 20 seconds.
- Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph): Reduced the duration of this morph to 8 seconds from 20 seconds.

Come on guys, not that again. Eough with the 6second-buffs!
I don`t wanna feel like an epileptic squirrel again while playing ESO. You did sooo good by stretching the timings a little bit with the last major overhaul. Why go back again? Makes zero sense....

Welcome to templar's world were Sun Shield only last 6 sec, and no1 bothers to use or slot this ability on the bar.

but you can *** heal !

americansteel · June 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

i know. sorcerers acting like its the end of the world.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

americansteel wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

i know. sorcerers acting like its the end of the world.

Says the one thinking DK's are destroyed with among the best group buffs and dps in the game. xD

bardx86 · June 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

Problem: Magicka Sorcs stack shields too much. QQ. (No need to L2P when you can just complain on the forums to ruin the entirety of the Sorc class even more).

Reasonable Solutions:
• Decrease Shield strength of Conjured Ward
• Slightly increase cost of Conjured Ward
• Do not allow Conjured Ward and Annulment to Stack
• Increase shield strength, but make shields crittable
• Separate the functionality of shields based on whether or not you are in an AvA zone (adjusting strength, stacking, balance, etc)

Actual Solution:
• Left shield strength and stackability the same, effectively still allowing Magicka Sorcs to mitigate tons of burst damage in PvP
• Buffed their possible burst damage survivability thanks to Annulment changes
• Ruined Conjured Ward duration. This class is now unfun to play (as if it was too fun to play or something earlier lol). Sorcs will at least be rare
• PvP, you can mainbar it and spam all day (boring!). PvE, roll a better class because your survivability, fun, viability, and only strength is outted.
• Encourage Sorcs, both Magicka or Stamina, to utilize Surge despite the nerfs. Forget that CP-wise Magicka Sorcs invested in Bastion will not be able to cope effectively.

Truly, Sorc as a class may be the worst, but now even cookie cutter Magicka Sorcs are weaker.

Fix the Sorcerer class!

Dred76 wrote: »

It's a ridiculous change in sorc mechanics. We have no passive mitigation unlike every other class. None, nada, zippo. Keep in mind even at 20k hp, with no mitigation three hits max and im done ,and at least two of those are weave. So couple seconds, mebbe 3...

Yea, i can wear med. or heavy armour just like you guys, but then i get no bonus to my passives, unlike you guys. My sorc would drop well below every other classes damage numbers.

Now i have to spam one third of my rotation time in shield casting. thats 30% of the time i am not on the offensive. Where captain WB is weaving away on me for as much per hit damage as i do to him, but he doesnt stop to cast his med/heavy armor.

At the very least i now have to spam a button or two consistently every 4 seconds to have a game experience equivalent to what every other class gets passively. Not a fun alternative, actually pretty f-ing stupid and a waste of my time.

Shields soak up the same amount of damage as they always did. The changes only mean i roam around as easy prey way more now and spam a button like a monkey.

Stop moaning about uber sorcs just because you might have been tuned a few times by a 1%er. 1%ers exist in all classes.

The bulk of us got shafted... hard.

So true this change did very little to change the PVP mechanics just make it less fun to play. much like nerfing streak.

bardx86 · June 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

It´s not the nerf that bothers me, it`s the inconvenience. Why do they deliberately make classes less fun to play? So that less people play them?
10 seconds is better, but still a lot of unnecessary buttonpressing.

whats so fun about a 20sec 22k dmg shield?

whats fun about dodge rolling vigor spammers.

bardx86 · June 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

There is a spammable magicka and Stamina DPS available to everyone:
Destro has force pulse and dual-wield has rapid strikes, which is supposedly better than surprise attack.

Sorcs have streak which has both offensive and defensive capabilities, which is class specific. They have pets, as well. Let's not forget the 3rd skill bar. Sorcs were able to tank and deal great damage. Now it's a little harder for them. Sorcs could take on half a zerg. Is that fair? I don't know if this nerf was too extreme, but something had to be done. Sorcs were way too jacked.

ya I've never seen a DK, Templar or dodge rolling NB do that to a zerg, GTFO

bardx86 · June 2016

kasa-obake wrote: »

You know, I never understood why templars don't get as much hate for breath of life spamming as sorcs do for shieldstacking. But my little contribution isn't about which class is ultimately a one button wonder.
Yes, sorcs were able to survive a lot more than other classes by shieldstacking, and the reduction in the shields' duration isn't that bad in combat situations, although it does makes mana sorcs the ultimate target for being ganked.
Thing is, in PVP, in addition to the shields' reduction (which in the end, will make shieldstacking even worse imo), sorcs have lost their main source of burst damage (read deto + dawnbreaker).
Since 2am, I have tried to find alternative ways to deal damage and survive in PVP open world situations:
_deto is useless against groups of less than 10 players, the cost compared to the damage (got 3k crit once...)being not worth it
_DBOS is only worth using if you put 75 points into Mighty, and lets face it, this is a huge drawback on a magicka build (or 40 mighty, 35 in thaumaturge for the ensuing dot, and given that curse and detonation, should you keep using it, do not scale of thaumaturge any longer, it's just a waste of CP)
_soul assault: as cheap as DBOS, but not an AOE, easily cleansable and interruptable by any semi decent player (but hey, you get to kill 40CP scrubs with it. Kuddos to you)
_meteor, costs more, blockable, DOT easily escapable compared to DBOS, which can only be cleansed (keep in mind that people do use immov pots, and should you try a streak-meteor combo, it might not work).
_atronach: honestly, it's only good in sewers or closed spaces where the target can't cut the line of sight. Also it targets only one person and costs more than DBOS.
_negate: in 1vX, even the damage morph seems like a waste. 192ultis just to get a magic bubble from which the enemies can escape and snipe you to death. It's awesome in group play though.
_overload: god. Apart from it being easily reflectable, come on. Overload spamming is just... lets just say that it requires no skill, and it is a sad day when a sorc with no pets has to spam overload to deal damage.

For dual wielding sorcs, the nerf comes in the change to Trapping Webs, which leaves them with Mages' Fury (honestly stupid and lackluster execute compared to radiant or impale) and hardcasted frags for DPS, which is not enough.

So, basically, you can still pressure your opponent with a destro staff, sure. But you going on the offensive is impaired by the shields' duration, and well unless you get a burst on a target, it can heal and mitigate your damage at any rate through mere class passives only.
Also, worth considering the fact that sorcs have no healing debuff readily available to them. So no way to mitigate the target''s healing unless you want to apply poisons on your staves.

Yes, sorcs will still be out there, shieldstacking even more than before. And they will still be viable for group play, and as pet mages with overload spam, but in the end, they still suffered a huge loss of dps and ability to roam around Cyrodiil as a solo player (and shieldstacking every freakingf 6 seconds on your way from Glade to Ales for fear of being ganked by fotm monkeys with 13k poisons, well there's just something so depressing about that).

All of you condescending folks, who haven't played sorc enough to understand the class, or have done so only in PVE, where "omg, overload - easy mode". A sorcerer doesn't begin and end with shieldstacking. It's one of their defining features sure, along with streak, but it is alas necessary in order to survive. I wish I didn't have to use 3 shields to stay alive in Cyro, but light armor + no class passives in mitigating the incoming damage or increasing healing received (come on, the one from Dark Magic restores 300 health in PvP tops - op af, isn't it?) + increasing cost of the escape ability, makes it impossible. Unless you run a build with 50k magicka, and then turn to overload spamming to kill people, which isn't everyone's playstyle.
Just saying, this is patch does nerf sorcs, and let people be rightfully indignant and cry about it, without summing it all up to "l2p, noob".

finally someone who gets it. i've come to the conclusion that most who post on this board are horrible a PVP and shield stacking is a bad thing to them.

Elured Fury

bardx86 · June 2016

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

The problem with sorcs is we are so squishy you can literally die in 2-3 hits in cyrodill if not instantly. Our shields were basically extended health bars to be able to take damage like other classes, let alone survive certain hits. Now shield timers are reduced so people can either play offensively or defensively and not both, so we can cast our shields but by the time you start getting in dps your defense is gone and needs recasted. Let alone our stamina sucks so all someone has to do is drain your stamina and CC you.

Timer reduction just made the class annoying. Lets see a build that doesnt use a shield, for those of you condescending players.

You can still use shields but they are now an active defense tool now, my medium armor NB is just as squishy as your Sorc and yet I survuve by roll dodging which eats up my stam.

With these changes you won't be able to put a shield up and be safe for 20secs, time your wards and you will be fine blockers and dodge rollers have been doing this just fine for months now....

You didn't just compare sorcs to stamblades after the patch went live.
Don't forget that you also have shuffle or double take, which notably increases your survivability and for shuffle, removes snares, fear - which is by far the best CC in game and can give you tine to heal up and go at it again, shade to escape from tense situations, and kite the enemies indefinitely if you know how to play. Oh and what was it? Cloak.. with no increasing costs.

Also, try comparing your class passives with sorc ones.
Point is not only the shields' duration in combat, it's the lack of burst damage that goes with it.

I didn't compare NBs to Sorcs as a class I just use an example to compare how the classes act defensively. A meduim armor templar will stilll have to spend stam to mitigate dmg and doesn't have the tools that a NB has.

Wow I became oblivious to those skills, yes they do give good mitigation however not everyone slots them (I don't)

Sorcs also have good CC skills Daedric mines, rune prison streak should be good enough in combat against others.

no sorc worth his salt is gonna use rune prison, thats laughable. ya streak is great but against a good templar or DK using will only lead to a loss as they will run you out of resources.

bardx86 · June 2016

Grao wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Seriously, how come there are so many "omg shields. How will i protect my glorious body now" threads, but only a few mention that sorcs have lost so much build diversity with the loss of DBOS, webs, and deto. Basically, you're either reduced to mine and atro camping, or overload spamming with your pet circus.
Or wait, you can be a healing springs/combat prayer/purge *** and play with negate bubbles in a group.

Our topic in the PTS feedback section was huge and mentioned all those issues and several more in over 2000 posts. It was all pretty much ignored as @Wrobel stated he has no plans to change things for sorcerers...

Honestly thats what gets me. The hubris of this cat is crazy. The whole community is telling this donkey that you are making this game less fun and he basically say f'off. Why do we play a game again? hmmmm, to have fun. just stupid.

NativeJoe · June 2016

Minalan wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

It´s not the nerf that bothers me, it`s the inconvenience. Why do they deliberately make classes less fun to play? So that less people play them?
10 seconds is better, but still a lot of unnecessary buttonpressing.

whats so fun about a 20sec 22k dmg shield?

What's not fun is refreshing a shield every four seconds when you're not being directly attacked.

Or when you are being attacked while trying to tap dance and dodge roll between a dozen BIG red circles in a boss fight.

The 'happy medium' for me is about ten seconds. Otherwise it's hard to get off a decent rotation or avoid deadly boss mechanics without refreshing a shield. Plus the minor intellect group buff is nice.

Shields are not meant to be used in dungeons sir, Not anymore. Pulling off sustainable/respectable dps means you have to bring NO BUFFs outside potions, very specific gear and very specific skills. Visit yolo wizard for your standard issue pve sorc. It is the only way your going to get decent numbers. you cannot heal yourself, shield yourself, buff yourself. 6 attacks 2 toggles. meteor on both bars.

Stamina DK's and stamina nightblades are shredding dungeons, offering group utility, self sustaining, and are pushing numbers right now between 40-60k dps

IF you want to be considered for 4 mans your going to have to adapt to the meta, and what zos says you need to do. No pets, No shields, No swords.

NativeJoe · June 2016

ZERGBADEXTERMINATION wrote: »

Oh look Sorc's who have been crutching on the same build for 2 years that takes no skill to run will now endure a learning curve on how to play a skilled setup. Zergbad will be there for this learning curve!

You and I both know there is no learning curve to be had against your build lol... there is only death. Sorcs are the only ones that had a chance against your build at first because they kept shields up and you couldn't instantly kill them with a first strike. now sorc shields drop constantly and arn't on all the time so your build can smash pretty much whenever you want.

there is no learning curve to that

Don't get me wrong, I'm prolly one of the few people that actually likes you lol, but sorcs don't have "things to learn" and venture off to. if this where any other class I'd say their are other builds to do, and they should adapt. But for sorcs... Not really. Nothing truly competitive anyway.

Lucky28 · June 2016

bardx86 wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Seriously, how come there are so many "omg shields. How will i protect my glorious body now" threads, but only a few mention that sorcs have lost so much build diversity with the loss of DBOS, webs, and deto. Basically, you're either reduced to mine and atro camping, or overload spamming with your pet circus.
Or wait, you can be a healing springs/combat prayer/purge *** and play with negate bubbles in a group.

Our topic in the PTS feedback section was huge and mentioned all those issues and several more in over 2000 posts. It was all pretty much ignored as @Wrobel stated he has no plans to change things for sorcerers...

Honestly thats what gets me. The hubris of this cat is crazy. The whole community is telling this donkey that you are making this game less fun and he basically say f'off. Why do we play a game again? hmmmm, to have fun. just stupid.

yeah. just get rid of the PTS. why are we even there?. we spend time testing the changes, tell @Wrobel that he's ***' up and are met with silence or some half-assed justification.

the entire affair was a waste of time.

NativeJoe · June 2016

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

The problem with sorcs is we are so squishy you can literally die in 2-3 hits in cyrodill if not instantly. Our shields were basically extended health bars to be able to take damage like other classes, let alone survive certain hits. Now shield timers are reduced so people can either play offensively or defensively and not both, so we can cast our shields but by the time you start getting in dps your defense is gone and needs recasted. Let alone our stamina sucks so all someone has to do is drain your stamina and CC you.

Timer reduction just made the class annoying. Lets see a build that doesnt use a shield, for those of you condescending players.

Agreed. I went all out on pts and made this...

I simply cannot make a viable non-shield sorc... idk what it is about this classes tool kit...but a build like this is dead in 5-10 seconds.

Burning_Talons · June 2016

@Lucky28 wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

spoken like someone who doesn't know what the *** they're talking about.

I have a sorc and hate it because its easy mode. Sorcs are buffed every update and when they get nerfed everyone throws a *** fit even though its actually a buff. Because now you cant passively walk around shielded and have to time you buffs like everyone else sorcs are now unplayable hahaha yea ok

@cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

More like sorcs get even more shoved into the playstyle you hate fighting. Yeah, good job Zenimax for making every single sorc do what the other classes hates about them.

Atleast now you cant just go a whole fight without worrying about shields

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

@Lucky28 wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

spoken like someone who doesn't know what the *** they're talking about.

I have a sorc and hate it because its easy mode. Sorcs are buffed every update and when they get nerfed everyone throws a *** fit even though its actually a buff. Because now you cant passively walk around shielded and have to time you buffs like everyone else sorcs are now unplayable hahaha yea ok

@cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

More like sorcs get even more shoved into the playstyle you hate fighting. Yeah, good job Zenimax for making every single sorc do what the other classes hates about them.

Atleast now you cant just go a whole fight without worrying about shields

Eh, sorcs won't really worry about shields in a fight, they just switched them to the main bar, it's an annoyance but you'll still not be able to kill a sorc any easier unless you're a ganker, but that's all. If anything they'll be even harder to kill, although they won't be able to kill you either.

SonOfSune · June 2016

As far as I can tell there was not a single player asking for a reduction in shield duration. This was their attempt to address shield stacking, but every analysis I have seen (including my own) says that this does not help stop shield stacking.

There are literally hundreds of post on the PTS forum asking about this and yet in was implemented. Makes no sense to me and many others. I personally will try to make it work for a while, but I am sure it will turn a lot of players (including myself) off and away from the game.

I just hope there are more positives in this patch to attempt balance out this massive and probably unnecessary nerf.

Junkogen · June 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

old story, announced a while ago and could have been tested on the pts. just one of the annoying sorc nerfs.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Empowered Ward increased to 10 seconds as of the latest update, so half as much from before.

who's using this shield anyway? It's a joke. absolutely no reason to use it.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I don't see what difference it makes, you use shields as you need them. If you are fighting someone that doesn't put your shield down in 6 seconds, you really don't need a shield to beat them.....

That's not the point. You will have to recast it earlier. otherwise you will simply get punished with some burst at the right moment. leaving you to cast it every ~3 seconds. and this in combination with increased costs. this is just once again a very bad design made by our favorite Wrobler.

Junkogen wrote: »

I actually have an Altmer Sorc like everyone else in the game. You're telling me that a nerfed shield duration breaks your build? Come on, now. Sorc is easy to play. You send your pets in to tank and then overload light attack. Rinse and repeat.

sorry, but you just disqualified yourself when you mentioned pets and overload. Please go and stick to some other class and never write a comment in a sorc related thread ever again. thank you.

Edit: Besides I'm more pis*** about the Inevitable detonation nerf >_<.

Not agree. Empowered ward is one of the most understimated skills in this game. It gives u (at least for me with 40k magicka and 25% stronger shields) 2.5k less shield than hardened ward, but instead of that its cheaper ~ 300 mana and provides u with extra 10% more magicka recovery which allows to spam it much often than hardened.

2.1 m recovery (with emp up), 40k magicka, 2.8 spell dmg buffed (with new power glyph - 3.4k spell dmg) - with destro staff (ofc lightning - cause its undogable and proc implosion).

I am using only sorc skills on my main bar, casue 10% more spell dmg is way to go, I dont need "spammable" skills for pvp, I spam shield, curse, wrath which proc my crystal, It's more than enough to kill som1..

Most of sorcs are to used to esy mode, which offered proxy + dawnbrkr combo and triple shield spam meta.

I droped my sorc and played nb, casue got sick of my sorc when fighting really bad players whos performed good only casue they shieldstacked like mad and I needed several minutes to kill such player... Jsut bleh..

I played yesterday some time b4 2nd maintance, was beautiful to me that I was able to kill another sorc with crystal + wrath combo, 2 skills and he got rekt, casue his shield ran off.

As I wrote b4 this change will eliminate bad sorcs.

I am only not happy with surge changes, 2.7k - 3k crit heal is definitly to low for magicka sorc, It shouldn't be affected by battle spirit. And ofc I agree that sorc need some adjustment for pve to be competitive with other DDs, but from pvp perspective imo sorc its OK, could be a bit better (surge/toggles).

Sounds like Sorcs can still do just fine. The fact is magblade got nerfed hard, too. Cloak is a glitchy, easily countered defensive ability and proxy det was a huge part of their burst damage. Magblades are just as squishy as mag Sorcs without a class shield or spammable heal either. Plus, all our siphon abilites are nerfed by battle spirit just like crit surge. To me, it seems like Sorcs just lost their divinity and are now having to grapple with mortality like the rest of us. So you can't take on half a zerg now. You'll just have to group up and employ teamwork like the rest of us to survive.

Did ZOS overdo it? Probably, that's what Wrobel is known for, but something had to be done. Much like other classes that have been carved out, I'm sure you'll regain some lost power in future patches and be back on top. Look at Templars and how they've been resurrected.

oh no they are not. My magblade (without wards) is as tanky as my sorc (with three wards) magblade is not squishy at all.

For real? PM me your build. I'm having trouble believing that.

it's not really that special and didn't take me long to think of it.

5 pc kags. (infused/divines)
3 pc willpower
2 pc malubeth/Narien'eth

CP:
40 - tumbling
47 - Arcanist
80 - Magician

37 - hardy
55 - elemental defender
75 - quick recovery

a different method of survivability between Sorc and magblade similar result. if i actually went impen i could be more tanky then my sorc, but never felt like making another set.

What skills and weapon setup are you using? Race?

Lexynide · June 2016

ZERGBADEXTERMINATION wrote: »

Oh look Sorc's who have been crutching on the same build for 2 years that takes no skill to run will now endure a learning curve on how to play a skilled setup. Zergbad will be there for this learning curve!

I must have missed when abusing mechanic of game and targeting ONLY zerg groups and spamming cloak when you're out alone became a skill. [sarcasm] I guess my definition of skill is no longer actual... [/sarcasm]

Lucky28 · June 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

@Lucky28 wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

spoken like someone who doesn't know what the *** they're talking about.

I have a sorc and hate it because its easy mode. Sorcs are buffed every update and when they get nerfed everyone throws a *** fit even though its actually a buff. Because now you cant passively walk around shielded and have to time you buffs like everyone else sorcs are now unplayable hahaha yea ok

@cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

More like sorcs get even more shoved into the playstyle you hate fighting. Yeah, good job Zenimax for making every single sorc do what the other classes hates about them.

Atleast now you cant just go a whole fight without worrying about shields

No you don't have a sorc.

or If you do you have a very shallow understanding of the class to not be able to see why people are pissed about these changes.

the changes destroy every sorc build other than the shield stacking cookie cutter build. with these changes sorcs are forced into one build/playstyle more than ever. and you think that's good?, you think that's skillful?.

you shouldn't speak on a topic if you don't at least have a basic understanding of what you're speaking of @Burning_Talons

Junkogen wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

old story, announced a while ago and could have been tested on the pts. just one of the annoying sorc nerfs.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Empowered Ward increased to 10 seconds as of the latest update, so half as much from before.

who's using this shield anyway? It's a joke. absolutely no reason to use it.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I don't see what difference it makes, you use shields as you need them. If you are fighting someone that doesn't put your shield down in 6 seconds, you really don't need a shield to beat them.....

That's not the point. You will have to recast it earlier. otherwise you will simply get punished with some burst at the right moment. leaving you to cast it every ~3 seconds. and this in combination with increased costs. this is just once again a very bad design made by our favorite Wrobler.

Junkogen wrote: »

I actually have an Altmer Sorc like everyone else in the game. You're telling me that a nerfed shield duration breaks your build? Come on, now. Sorc is easy to play. You send your pets in to tank and then overload light attack. Rinse and repeat.

sorry, but you just disqualified yourself when you mentioned pets and overload. Please go and stick to some other class and never write a comment in a sorc related thread ever again. thank you.

Edit: Besides I'm more pis*** about the Inevitable detonation nerf >_<.

Not agree. Empowered ward is one of the most understimated skills in this game. It gives u (at least for me with 40k magicka and 25% stronger shields) 2.5k less shield than hardened ward, but instead of that its cheaper ~ 300 mana and provides u with extra 10% more magicka recovery which allows to spam it much often than hardened.

2.1 m recovery (with emp up), 40k magicka, 2.8 spell dmg buffed (with new power glyph - 3.4k spell dmg) - with destro staff (ofc lightning - cause its undogable and proc implosion).

I am using only sorc skills on my main bar, casue 10% more spell dmg is way to go, I dont need "spammable" skills for pvp, I spam shield, curse, wrath which proc my crystal, It's more than enough to kill som1..

Most of sorcs are to used to esy mode, which offered proxy + dawnbrkr combo and triple shield spam meta.

I droped my sorc and played nb, casue got sick of my sorc when fighting really bad players whos performed good only casue they shieldstacked like mad and I needed several minutes to kill such player... Jsut bleh..

I played yesterday some time b4 2nd maintance, was beautiful to me that I was able to kill another sorc with crystal + wrath combo, 2 skills and he got rekt, casue his shield ran off.

As I wrote b4 this change will eliminate bad sorcs.

I am only not happy with surge changes, 2.7k - 3k crit heal is definitly to low for magicka sorc, It shouldn't be affected by battle spirit. And ofc I agree that sorc need some adjustment for pve to be competitive with other DDs, but from pvp perspective imo sorc its OK, could be a bit better (surge/toggles).

Sounds like Sorcs can still do just fine. The fact is magblade got nerfed hard, too. Cloak is a glitchy, easily countered defensive ability and proxy det was a huge part of their burst damage. Magblades are just as squishy as mag Sorcs without a class shield or spammable heal either. Plus, all our siphon abilites are nerfed by battle spirit just like crit surge. To me, it seems like Sorcs just lost their divinity and are now having to grapple with mortality like the rest of us. So you can't take on half a zerg now. You'll just have to group up and employ teamwork like the rest of us to survive.

Did ZOS overdo it? Probably, that's what Wrobel is known for, but something had to be done. Much like other classes that have been carved out, I'm sure you'll regain some lost power in future patches and be back on top. Look at Templars and how they've been resurrected.

oh no they are not. My magblade (without wards) is as tanky as my sorc (with three wards) magblade is not squishy at all.

For real? PM me your build. I'm having trouble believing that.

it's not really that special and didn't take me long to think of it.

5 pc kags. (infused/divines)
3 pc willpower
2 pc malubeth/Narien'eth

CP:
40 - tumbling
47 - Arcanist
80 - Magician

37 - hardy
55 - elemental defender
75 - quick recovery

a different method of survivability between Sorc and magblade similar result. if i actually went impen i could be more tanky then my sorc, but never felt like making another set.

What skills and weapon setup are you using? Race?

Breton

Maelstrom inferno staff:
Sap essence
Lotus fan
swallow soul
Merciless resolve
Crippling grasp

ult: soul tether

Maelstrom Restoration staff:
concealed weapon
siphoning attacks
healing ward/mutagen
refreshing path/double take
Dark cloak

Ult: Veil of blades

Burning_Talons · June 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

@Lucky28 wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

spoken like someone who doesn't know what the *** they're talking about.

I have a sorc and hate it because its easy mode. Sorcs are buffed every update and when they get nerfed everyone throws a *** fit even though its actually a buff. Because now you cant passively walk around shielded and have to time you buffs like everyone else sorcs are now unplayable hahaha yea ok

@cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh look sorcs actually require brain cells to excel boohoo

More like sorcs get even more shoved into the playstyle you hate fighting. Yeah, good job Zenimax for making every single sorc do what the other classes hates about them.

Atleast now you cant just go a whole fight without worrying about shields

No you don't have a sorc.

or If you do you have a very shallow understanding of the class to not be able to see why people are pissed about these changes.

the changes destroy every sorc build other than the shield stacking cookie cutter build. with these changes sorcs are forced into one build/playstyle more than ever. and you think that's good?, you think that's skillful?.

you shouldn't speak on a topic if you don't at least have a basic understanding of what you're speaking of @Burning_Talons

Junkogen wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

old story, announced a while ago and could have been tested on the pts. just one of the annoying sorc nerfs.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Empowered Ward increased to 10 seconds as of the latest update, so half as much from before.

who's using this shield anyway? It's a joke. absolutely no reason to use it.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I don't see what difference it makes, you use shields as you need them. If you are fighting someone that doesn't put your shield down in 6 seconds, you really don't need a shield to beat them.....

That's not the point. You will have to recast it earlier. otherwise you will simply get punished with some burst at the right moment. leaving you to cast it every ~3 seconds. and this in combination with increased costs. this is just once again a very bad design made by our favorite Wrobler.

Junkogen wrote: »

I actually have an Altmer Sorc like everyone else in the game. You're telling me that a nerfed shield duration breaks your build? Come on, now. Sorc is easy to play. You send your pets in to tank and then overload light attack. Rinse and repeat.

sorry, but you just disqualified yourself when you mentioned pets and overload. Please go and stick to some other class and never write a comment in a sorc related thread ever again. thank you.

Edit: Besides I'm more pis*** about the Inevitable detonation nerf >_<.

Not agree. Empowered ward is one of the most understimated skills in this game. It gives u (at least for me with 40k magicka and 25% stronger shields) 2.5k less shield than hardened ward, but instead of that its cheaper ~ 300 mana and provides u with extra 10% more magicka recovery which allows to spam it much often than hardened.

2.1 m recovery (with emp up), 40k magicka, 2.8 spell dmg buffed (with new power glyph - 3.4k spell dmg) - with destro staff (ofc lightning - cause its undogable and proc implosion).

I am using only sorc skills on my main bar, casue 10% more spell dmg is way to go, I dont need "spammable" skills for pvp, I spam shield, curse, wrath which proc my crystal, It's more than enough to kill som1..

Most of sorcs are to used to esy mode, which offered proxy + dawnbrkr combo and triple shield spam meta.

I droped my sorc and played nb, casue got sick of my sorc when fighting really bad players whos performed good only casue they shieldstacked like mad and I needed several minutes to kill such player... Jsut bleh..

I played yesterday some time b4 2nd maintance, was beautiful to me that I was able to kill another sorc with crystal + wrath combo, 2 skills and he got rekt, casue his shield ran off.

As I wrote b4 this change will eliminate bad sorcs.

I am only not happy with surge changes, 2.7k - 3k crit heal is definitly to low for magicka sorc, It shouldn't be affected by battle spirit. And ofc I agree that sorc need some adjustment for pve to be competitive with other DDs, but from pvp perspective imo sorc its OK, could be a bit better (surge/toggles).

Sounds like Sorcs can still do just fine. The fact is magblade got nerfed hard, too. Cloak is a glitchy, easily countered defensive ability and proxy det was a huge part of their burst damage. Magblades are just as squishy as mag Sorcs without a class shield or spammable heal either. Plus, all our siphon abilites are nerfed by battle spirit just like crit surge. To me, it seems like Sorcs just lost their divinity and are now having to grapple with mortality like the rest of us. So you can't take on half a zerg now. You'll just have to group up and employ teamwork like the rest of us to survive.

Did ZOS overdo it? Probably, that's what Wrobel is known for, but something had to be done. Much like other classes that have been carved out, I'm sure you'll regain some lost power in future patches and be back on top. Look at Templars and how they've been resurrected.

oh no they are not. My magblade (without wards) is as tanky as my sorc (with three wards) magblade is not squishy at all.

For real? PM me your build. I'm having trouble believing that.

it's not really that special and didn't take me long to think of it.

5 pc kags. (infused/divines)
3 pc willpower
2 pc malubeth/Narien'eth

CP:
40 - tumbling
47 - Arcanist
80 - Magician

37 - hardy
55 - elemental defender
75 - quick recovery

a different method of survivability between Sorc and magblade similar result. if i actually went impen i could be more tanky then my sorc, but never felt like making another set.

What skills and weapon setup are you using? Race?

Breton

Maelstrom inferno staff:
Sap essence
Lotus fan
swallow soul
Merciless resolve
Crippling grasp

ult: soul tether

Maelstrom Restoration staff:
concealed weapon
siphoning attacks
healing ward/mutagen
refreshing path/double take
Dark cloak

Ult: Veil of blades

@Lucky28 You obviously arent good at the game then. Every class had a nerf to their cofe ability saying it will ruim their class.Guess what? Oh look they arent ruined. Learn to adapt I mean I know it must be hard for sorcs since the only real nerf they felt was bolt escape while every other class gets gutted. You can do the same builds as before now it just requires you to time your shields without going dumbo and just putting on a shield for 20s while everyone else had to deal with these passive shields on sorcs..