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Change to the Dunmer passives to be more in line with new Dragon Knight changes
Witar
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New stamina changes to the DKs are totally awsome, poison damage and all, but my dunmer passives only work on fire damage, which is not cool.
What i'm offering is pretty much in line with game lore, as dunmers are well known as poisoners (Remember "A Game At Dinner" and King Helseth from Morrowind? That's what i'm talking about). So, please change dunmer passive to increase poison damage as well as fire. This way dunmers will be nice choise for stamina DKs as well as magicka.
Edited by Witar on April 25, 2016 10:37PM What i'm offering is pretty much in line with game lore, as dunmers are well known as poisoners (Remember "A Game At Dinner" and King Helseth from Morrowind? That's what i'm talking about). So, please change dunmer passive to increase poison damage as well as fire. This way dunmers will be nice choise for stamina DKs as well as magicka.
It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills,
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter.
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills,
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter.
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tinythinker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't see it happening unless they redo the whole racials thing from top to bottom. Dunmer will still be really good for magicka DKs, but other races will be much better for stam DK now. Once the barber shop comes in those who want to min-max can swap to Bosmer or something.❤Experienced, new, returner?❤ Help keep ESO's community strong ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ -- share what you love about the game, offer constructive feedback, and make friends.ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭I think it is a bad idea to change the Dunmer passives. It is already one of the best races in the game. It doesn't need buffing, and it certainly is going to *** a LOT of players off if they change the fire dmg buff to poison or something else.
If anything, I think they should give argonians a universal stats buff, similar to Dunmer's, and a poison dmg buff, again similar to Dunmer's. It would make sense for Argonians to have a natural buff for poison dmg and, from what others have said, it would fit lore. Plus, it would finally make Argonians useful for something other than RP and scaled clothing.PS4 NA Server
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Suru✭✭✭✭I'm a little salty making a dunmer DK for the the stam fire morphs as a stamina build. Being poison will probably do more damage with CP changes but what gets me is that if I continue with stamina, a whole racial passive is completely useless. They took away fire from Scorched earth and the two Flame DoT's which are part of a stam DK's rotation. Meh.
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Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No it ddoesnt make sense lorewise and it also is a good change that you're not forced to play dunmer for DK.
It does suck for current Stam DK Dunmers, but its overall better for the game3 -
Witar✭✭✭✭✭
Add poison damage to the passive. Not change fire to poison. And there's a LOT more dunmer DKs than argonian DKs.Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »change the fire dmg buff to poison
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Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭
Add poison damage to the passive. Not change fire to poison. And there's a LOT more dunmer DKs than argonian DKs.Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »change the fire dmg buff to poison
Yup, I am a Dunmer DK (magicka) and Imperial DK (stam).
The Imperial will be a full time tank and I will level a new toon as a dd Stam DK. I still think Argonians make more sense, and race changes will be offered in the (hopefully near) future.
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭It will be ok for Zos to add poison bonus to argonians or whomever they deem worthy when race change option is already availiable. But for now dunmer DKs deserve this since they suffer from fire to poison change.
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ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »No it ddoesnt make sense lorewise and it also is a good change that you're not forced to play dunmer for DK.
It does suck for current Stam DK Dunmers, but its overall better for the game
And lore wise Tamriel never saw a poison class/tree or even a dragon.
Lore changes, just like MOL new Khajiiti Lore.
+ for additional poison passives for dark elf.mDKs still need a lot of love!2 -
AlexHo1982✭✭Sadly it is too late now, but I believe they really should have updated the Dunmer passives to reflect the changes. Without doing so, they basically reduced the effectiveness for this race, which already mostly benefitted from a single class.
+ for additional poison passives for dark elf.0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You poor things, losing your fire buff to your damage.
Tough.
Argonians used to have this AMAZING potion passive that increased the effectiveness of potions that stacked with the NB's for a nice 45% potion effectiveness increase. That was changed for the worse.
Your race is fine, you still have 6% increase in stamina and instead of a the mild increase to fire you had, you have a far greater buff from CP anyways so it's not like you became completely a joke in the department either.
Complain when you have a valid reason too. All I hear is QQ right now.
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭
What about qq that you produce yourself? Funny argonian boySilver_Strider wrote: »Argonians used to have this AMAZING potion passive that increased the effectiveness of potions that stacked with the NB's for a nice 45% potion effectiveness increase. That was changed for the worse.
All I hear is QQ right now.
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What about qq that you produce yourself? Funny argonian boySilver_Strider wrote: »Argonians used to have this AMAZING potion passive that increased the effectiveness of potions that stacked with the NB's for a nice 45% potion effectiveness increase. That was changed for the worse.
All I hear is QQ right now.
My reason to QQ is far more justified than a yours.
Right now Dunmer is a good reason for anything, Stamina or Magic. Argonian are not.
You complain that the fire passive is useless on a Stam DK, I counter that swim speed is useless 99% of the time.
Really, where is your justification to QQ?Argonian forever3 -
Witar✭✭✭✭✭
It's still a qq. Go create your own tread and shred your crocodile tears there.Silver_Strider wrote: »My reason to QQ is far more justified than a yours.
Or in the swamp i dunno
Your swim passive will work there just fine. Edited by Witar on May 31, 2016 1:44PMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
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Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
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It's still a qq. Go create your own tread and shred your crocodile tears there.Silver_Strider wrote: »My reason to QQ is far more justified than a yours.
Or in the swamp i dunno
Nah, I prefer to QQ whenever it's justified and there are plenty of threads about Argonians that I've already contributed in already. I just don't see much reason to complain in this regard because of a change that is really more helpful to the majority and isn't even that bad to the minority.Argonian forever0 -
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✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »I think it is a bad idea to change the Dunmer passives. It is already one of the best races in the game. It doesn't need buffing, and it certainly is going to *** a LOT of players off if they change the fire dmg buff to poison or something else.
If anything, I think they should give argonians a universal stats buff, similar to Dunmer's, and a poison dmg buff, again similar to Dunmer's. It would make sense for Argonians to have a natural buff for poison dmg and, from what others have said, it would fit lore. Plus, it would finally make Argonians useful for something other than RP and scaled clothing.
It is possible that buffing poison through racials is too OP. ESO seemed to consider racial alchemy buffs OP in the past.
But Dunmer previously had a damage buff on their DK stamina morphs. They lost that. So a poison buff can make sense considering their lore and their past buffs. The problem is just that poison is a lot more common now and the buff would be a much bigger benefit.
Fortunately, my Dunmer is my magicka DK.0 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer DKs can just respec to magicka, problem solved. It is more loreffriendly for them to use fire/magicka than poison anyway.2 -
Zorgon_The_Revenged✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer don't have increased fire damage so they can be Dragonknights, as far as I'm aware.
Why give them increased poison damage? You say it would make them a "nice choice" as stamina DK, I'm sure a lot of the races would like this passive to make their race a "nice choice".1 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭Also, why the hell should their racial passives be changed specifically for DK anyway? what makes Dunmer so special that if a change to a single class warrents their passives to receive a buff? Especially considering other classes out there are in sore need of it far more.5
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭
Because a lot of dk's picked dunmer race to get the fire damage bonuses. And now zos decides to change class to make those useless on stamina. Cmon, i'm not going to explain this simple truth to every slow kid who is unable to read upper posts.what makes Dunmer so special that if a change to a single class warrents their passives to receive a buff?
Edited by Witar on May 31, 2016 3:23PMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
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Because a lot of dk's picked dunmer race to get the fire damage bonuses. And now zos decides to change class to make those useless on stamina. Cmon, i'm not going to explain this simple truth to every slow kid who is unable to read upper posts.what makes Dunmer so special that if a change to a single class warrents their passives to receive a buff?
If you don't want things to change, don't play an MMO. And don't expect the optimal combinations to remain the same.3 -
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✭✭No. Wait for barber shop.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
WhiteNoiseMaker✭✭✭✭Wah. Wah. Wah.
No. Dunmer don't 'deserve' anything, nor are they owed anything just because their Racial Passives; which are still fully functional and haven't been gimped; no longer give them Min-Maxed benefits as Dragonknights. If you want to make up the shortfall, respec your Champion Points.4 -
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✭✭That's lore of Elder Scrolls. Re-roll magicka if you want fire or re-roll a redguard if you need to min max for a stamina build.PC EU1 -
AlexHo1982✭✭Poison Knights are not lore of Elder Scrolls as far as I am concerned. And nobody here was stating that other classes (Nords and Argonians mostly) don't need buffs. Still, worsening any given race-class synergy later on, without having had an imbalance that needed to be addressed is pretty bad. Skills can be exchanged in builds, the race is fixed. Well, until they give you probably the option to pay real money to change it...1
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Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭Unfortunately zos have form on breaking race class synergies and they rarely change these.. Argonian Nightblade thirsty builds died over night when they changed the original potion passives. Do I feel for stamina DKs losing a fire synergy? Yes. Do I think it needs or will be changed? No.Edited by Jar_Ek on June 2, 2016 10:33AM0 -
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✭✭You will do more dmg on your Dunmer stamDK in the DB update than you did in the TG update.
Other races (Khajiit, Redguard, Imperial etc) might be a bit better but the difference is not be that huge.
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✭✭✭✭✭It will be ok for Zos to add poison bonus to argonians or whomever they deem worthy when race change option is already availiable. But for now dunmer DKs deserve this since they suffer from fire to poison change.
Anyone who chose their race based purely on the racials being overpowered doesn't deserve anything.
Give the poison damage to argonians. There is absolutely no reason for one race to have a complete advantage over all others for any particular class.PS4 / NA
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭WhiteNoiseMaker wrote: »Wah. Wah. Wah.
No. Dunmer don't 'deserve' anything, nor are they owed anything just because their Racial Passives; which are still fully functional and haven't been gimped; no longer give them Min-Maxed benefits as Dragonknights. If you want to make up the shortfall, respec your Champion Points.
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Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭New stamina changes to the DKs are totally awsome, poison damage and all, but my dunmer passives only work on fire damage, which is not cool.
What i'm offering is pretty much in line with game lore, as dunmers are well known as poisoners (Remember "A Game At Dinner" and King Helseth from Morrowind? That's what i'm talking about). So, please change dunmer passive to increase poison damage as well as fire. This way dunmers will be nice choise for stamina DKs as well as magicka.
Why do you think the race Dunmer gets special treatment over everyone elses? You still have magicka DK either way. QQ"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."2 -
Witar✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »Why do you think the race Dunmer gets special treatment over everyone elses?
Go ahead and read this several times till you get it.Because a lot of dk's picked dunmer race to get the fire damage bonuses. And now zos decides to change class to make those useless on stamina. Cmon, i'm not going to explain this simple truth to every slow kid who is unable to read upper posts.
I have stamina.Justice31st wrote: »You still have magicka DK either way. QQ
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Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills,
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter.0