ZOS, we're not 5 years old. This game is PEGI18

Lylith · May 2016

Moonscythe wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

In a totally fictional fantasy world why would they use modern American vulgarity? It would just drop me right out of the moment if someone started berating me in such language. True, son of a dog, is somewhat unimaginative but so is modern American street talk.

it's far from modern and isn't american in origin.

I don't believe I said or implied that vulgarity was either modern or American. I just said modern American street talk is unimaginative.

ah, thanks for clarifying.

totally agree. the language is steadily devolving. soon it will be little more than grunts and acronyms.

Gidorick · May 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Actually, the problem is, they're legitimately hard to use. You've got a poorly balanced sword and an impossible to aim pistol. They saw use in boarding actions, but as far as I know, that's about it. Still, if that's an original example (and not a reproduction) it's been remarkably cared for.

It's not that hard @starkerealm. Thrust sword into something soft and squishy then pull trigger.

hehe... I'm pretty sure it's just a cosplay prop. It's not mine. I just pulled it off the dinternets.

starkerealm · May 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Actually, the problem is, they're legitimately hard to use. You've got a poorly balanced sword and an impossible to aim pistol. They saw use in boarding actions, but as far as I know, that's about it. Still, if that's an original example (and not a reproduction) it's been remarkably cared for.

It's not that hard @starkerealm. Thrust sword into something soft and squishy then pull trigger.

hehe... I'm pretty sure it's just a cosplay prop. It's not mine. I just pulled it off the dinternets.

Where's my LOL button when I need it.

americansteel · May 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

americansteel wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

rootimus wrote: »

At least have the apocalypse wait until I can get a real Katana so I can defend myself properly, Swords don't run out of bullets

Mine do ...

Combo weapons are such a weird and hilarious footnote in history.

the noob combo.

Actually, the problem is, they're legitimately hard to use. You've got a poorly balanced sword and an impossible to aim pistol. They saw use in boarding actions, but as far as I know, that's about it. Still, if that's an original example (and not a reproduction) it's been remarkably cared for.

i know.

seeing this made think of call of duty players

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Katanas are lighter and made for fighting people without modern/midevil protection and can be more effective than other weapons against zombies which more than likely will only be in civilian clothes or less... provided it is a good one of course most of them are most likely rubbish knock offs

edit plus in a fight against a zombie I don't have to block another blade

Hmmm... actually from what I remember about the matter of blades, taditionally made katanas really were pretty fragile. As in, known to shatter against bone if you don't manage an perfect cut... at least the ones forged back in medieval times, metallurgy advanced a bit since those times after all.

Mostly because the iron they started with was pretty much stuff an european smith would be laughed out of the forge trying to make weapons with... all that folding? A neccessity to even get to halfway decent blades with the stuff they had...

No surprise when one remembers that samurai originally were not swordsmen, but master archers! Only when european firearms stole their thunder so to speak, they needed something to salve their egos to compensate for their, uhm, lost battlefield potence, and thus the myth of the magical katana was born!
(not that european legends didn't also have a lot of "magical" swords with pretty wild capabilities attributed to them, from cleaving through a man in full plate armor in one blow to change their color a dozend times a day...)

If you want to talk real high quality blades that came as close as you could to legends of "magical swords" in their time, you might like to look at damascus steel...

For the zombie apocalypse I have to say though, a durable weapon that does not fail you in a pinch would be a pretty good idea. So... more fire axe and less katana. Sledgehammer might be a bit too tiring to use unless you have a good deal of muscle. Personally I would really consider the katana in my replica collection last, and grab the cutlass or viking axe instead...

Almost every culture that has ever existed has had mystical or at least legendary weapons. Zombies are stupid, the thing that makes them a concern (if they were real) is the whole danger of the infection. Fortunately, real zombies are just people with brain damage who have been dosed with some really nasty Caribbean concoction that involves poison from a puffer fish. For the sake of discussion though, I imagine a machete would do the trick, and its pretty cheap - you can get one at the hardware store. A cutlass wouldn't be half bad either.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

Whenever i destroy a Nord in pvp as a Nord(Playing a Nord char) i always call them " YOU DAMN MILKDRINKER ".

Thing is after i do that sometimes i get killed in group

A question tho,

The game is rated Mature 17+ but i have not seen a single sexual Theme or Gore(Saw a little blood)... I dont understand why is that.

I would have thought you'd say something like 'See you in Sovngarde Milk-drinker!' after all if you killed them in battle...

Well its a common fact that Milk-drinkers! are not allowed in Sovngarde

What if it were a Milk-Mead blend?

Duiwel · May 2016

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

A question tho,

The game is rated Mature 17+ but i have not seen a single sexual Theme or Gore(Saw a little blood)... I dont understand why is that.

The closest thing to that is in one of the town halls in EP side ( top floor to the room on the right there is a Nord laying on a bed without his shirt and a Dunmer "exotic dancer" dancing without a shirt on his bed for him.

Then of course Darian and that "Guard" in Rivenspire... ( he seduces her). My first time doing that quest I thought she was still the enemy just sleeping so I killed her, I got quite the bounty ^^ )

Volkodav · May 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@Volkodav @failkiwib16_ESO Do you ladies remember this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSk-8C76dc
The moment that scene came, that soothing voice and seeing Gerlats heart almost shatter I started crying like a baby xDDD next thing I did was to send my best friend a link to the song (she is also a big fan of Geralt and Yen`s love).

I dont think I could go for Triss, she always seemed rather slimy to me, I dont like that xD, and just like you said, the history they have and you can definitely see the connection!

I wish so much there would be a very romantic love quest in ESO (if I missed it please direct me to it)... something that feels immersive! Maybe a vampire love story ;____;...

I am sorry OP, got myself distracted off topic a bit!

Beautiful song.
I have this in a file on my hard drive,for ingame music instead of the original.I have some of the original music added as well as some from The Witcher,.Assassins Creed,and or course most of the music from Morrowind.
It's my gaming music file.
What I wish is that we could play a different character than Geralt. So that we could adventure WITH him.THEN that love quest could be very interesting.

Argruna · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

I was stealing stuff and an NPC called me a "son of a dog". I mean, really? How old are we? Five? What's with this fear to use some vulgar language that fits the scene?

If I caught someone stealing my stuff, the last thing I would call them is a "son of a dog"...

We may not be children, well some of us are goats, however just because we are big kids now and know all the dirty words sadly does not translate to games. Why? ESRB and money.

Take for instance, theESRB for Witcher 3. Now here is the ESRB for ESO. Let's do an Adults Only or AO game like GTA: San Andreas which doesn't even give us a descriptor really of the rating.

So in short, the ESRB dictates ratings on personal whims that the stores use to decide whether or not they want to carry the product and devs of games are going, you rated this M and it has that word in it yet we include the word and we get an AO. ~FAVORITISM~~IN-EQUAL TREATMENT~~SOMETHING ABOUT ILLUMINATI~

Basically, the ratings are a half-assed conundrum that make no sense and are in no way a good scale on what a game should be rated and act as something for retail employees to point out when parents ask if South Park's Stick of Truth would be good for their 8 year old son because it looks cartoony. And if you want to know, all I had to say was 'how do you feel about *** fetuses?' to those parents. Killing **** is a-okay in Medal of Honor but the fetuses were a step too far as I was told. Who knew?

Edited for me goaty health, didn't realize the censor didn't pick up a word.

Volkodav · May 2016

Argruna wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

I was stealing stuff and an NPC called me a "son of a dog". I mean, really? How old are we? Five? What's with this fear to use some vulgar language that fits the scene?

If I caught someone stealing my stuff, the last thing I would call them is a "son of a dog"...

We may not be children, well some of us are goats, however just because we are big kids now and know all the dirty words sadly does not translate to games. Why? ESRB and money.

Take for instance, theESRB for Witcher 3. Now here is the ESRB for ESO. Let's do an Adults Only or AO game like GTA: San Andreas which doesn't even give us a descriptor really of the rating.

So in short, the ESRB dictates ratings on personal whims that the stores use to decide whether or not they want to carry the product and devs of games are going, you rated this M and it has that word in it yet we include the word and we get an AO. ~FAVORITISM~~IN-EQUAL TREATMENT~~SOMETHING ABOUT ILLUMINATI~

Basically, the ratings are a half-assed conundrum that make no sense and are in no way a good scale on what a game should be rated and act as something for retail employees to point out when parents ask if South Park's Stick of Truth would be good for their 8 year old son because it looks cartoony. And if you want to know, all I had to say was 'how do you feel about *** fetuses?' to those parents. Killing Nazis is a-okay in Medal of Honor but the fetuses were a step too far as I was told. Who knew?

How did you get to say the German N word? I cant even say that in my signature!

Argruna · May 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

How did you get to say the German N word? I cant even say that in my signature!

I don't think the filter recognizes the plural form of that particular political party. I didn't even realize it didn't censor it. Oop. Gonna fix it now.

waterfairy · May 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@Volkodav @failkiwib16_ESO Do you ladies remember this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSk-8C76dc
The moment that scene came, that soothing voice and seeing Gerlats heart almost shatter I started crying like a baby xDDD next thing I did was to send my best friend a link to the song (she is also a big fan of Geralt and Yen`s love).

I dont think I could go for Triss, she always seemed rather slimy to me, I dont like that xD, and just like you said, the history they have and you can definitely see the connection!

I wish so much there would be a very romantic love quest in ESO (if I missed it please direct me to it)... something that feels immersive! Maybe a vampire love story ;____;...

I am sorry OP, got myself distracted off topic a bit!

Good song and scene...definitely inspired by the scene from Beowulf where the queen captivates him with a sweet song.

I don't know where you see Geralts heart shatter though, he's a Witcher so he's not emotional and sensitive.

Mr.Hmm · May 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@Volkodav @failkiwib16_ESO Do you ladies remember this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSk-8C76dc
The moment that scene came, that soothing voice and seeing Gerlats heart almost shatter I started crying like a baby xDDD next thing I did was to send my best friend a link to the song (she is also a big fan of Geralt and Yen`s love).

I dont think I could go for Triss, she always seemed rather slimy to me, I dont like that xD, and just like you said, the history they have and you can definitely see the connection!

I wish so much there would be a very romantic love quest in ESO (if I missed it please direct me to it)... something that feels immersive! Maybe a vampire love story ;____;...

I am sorry OP, got myself distracted off topic a bit!

Good song and scene...definitely inspired by the scene from Beowulf where the queen captivates him with a sweet song.

I don't know where you see Geralts heart shatter though, he's a Witcher so he's not emotional and sensitive.

He nearly cried when he heard the song.

I saw that scene alot of times just to confirm that.

quadraxis666 · May 2016

Skyrim throw voice shout. Hey melon nose! American accent and everything. So modern vulgarity is totally lore-friendly lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdrPhZmtrzA

waterfairy · May 2016

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@Volkodav @failkiwib16_ESO Do you ladies remember this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSk-8C76dc
The moment that scene came, that soothing voice and seeing Gerlats heart almost shatter I started crying like a baby xDDD next thing I did was to send my best friend a link to the song (she is also a big fan of Geralt and Yen`s love).

I dont think I could go for Triss, she always seemed rather slimy to me, I dont like that xD, and just like you said, the history they have and you can definitely see the connection!

I wish so much there would be a very romantic love quest in ESO (if I missed it please direct me to it)... something that feels immersive! Maybe a vampire love story ;____;...

I am sorry OP, got myself distracted off topic a bit!

Good song and scene...definitely inspired by the scene from Beowulf where the queen captivates him with a sweet song.

I don't know where you see Geralts heart shatter though, he's a Witcher so he's not emotional and sensitive.

He nearly cried when he heard the song.

I saw that scene alot of times just to confirm that.

He never cries, even at a much more emotional moment then this. I think he even mentions at some point in The Witcher 3 (or TW2) that he doesn't know how to cry.

It reminds me of the scene from Conan where he burns the body of his love and his friend cries for him-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znWCBpWFYPU

TieFighter · May 2016

could be worse, you could be a motherless goat

mavrwb17_ESO · May 2016

Moonscythe wrote: »

Nern is not Earth

Nirn.

Please understand the world you're talking about before delving into "lore" or "immersion" arguments.

Shadesofkin · May 2016

Personally I appreciate the lack of modern vulgarities. If I wanted to hear npcs talk like they're public school kids, I'd go play a modern game.

Slayyer-AUS · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

I was stealing stuff and an NPC called me a "son of a dog". I mean, really? How old are we? Five? What's with this fear to use some vulgar language that fits the scene?

If I caught someone stealing my stuff, the last thing I would call them is a "son of a dog"...

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lol I wish this game had language like that the video makes me want to play witcher again

CherryCake · May 2016

@Volkodav that would be a very interesting turn!
@Vigarr I will have to "diss a brie" my friend (ha ha get it?... Im so sad ;___;) I think Geralt has a lot of feelings that he just suppresses, he is the kind of person like my husband, that seems to be made of stone, cant cry but feels deeply... most of his heart shattering moments are with Ciri, heck he made ME feel like a dad and I am a straight woman that doesnt want kids xD.
Example: This video from minute 13 on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ1q0XNtVv0

But different people see people differently, also a big reason is that we imprint some of our own feelings in characters, I think. (sorry if it is hard to understand, my english is not the best xD)

ChrispyRambo · May 2016

Kiss my orc flute!

ShedsHisTail · May 2016

This thread is still going? That's impressive.

Personally, I don't miss the modern profanity. Firstly, I don't think it's necessary in order to create an atmosphere of "maturity." In fact, in real life, I tend to consider it an indication of the opposite. In the context of language, I find it far more mature to be able to express oneself without resorting to the profane short-hand.

Second, from a purely story-telling perspective, vulgarity, in all it's forms has a greater impact when used sparingly.

Whenever I get into the discussion about profanity and vulgarity in entertainment, I think about Deadpool (the movie). It was such a big deal becaue it stayed true to it's comic origins and didn't shy away from the R rating. It was a more "mature" superhero movie. But when I finally watched all I could think was, "That movie was mature in the most immature way possible."

It was gratuitous, and juvenile, which is fine for what it was; it was still entertaining. But it stands as a prime example for how neither blood, guts, profanity nor nudity are hallmarks for maturity. Take all those things away from it, and it was just another ridiculous action flick.

I think we often mistake "the forbidden" for "mature," and the various rating systems make the same error which leads to the common misconception that vulgarity, nudity and violence are grown-up things. There is nothing inherently more mature about using profanity except that, after a certain age, society has decided you're old enough to make the decision to use it without your mom getting mad about it.

To me, maturity lies in the themes and the stories. Are they complex ideas, or difficult moral decisions? Do they make me question my own beliefs? I'm I being challenged by this? Is watching this movie, or reading this book, or completing this quest making me actually think about subjects which I wouldn't have been able to properly grasp when I was younger?

Those are goals which can be easily reached without resorting to vulgarity, and are often of greater impact when not cheapened by the profane.

Elderskrye · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

I was stealing stuff and an NPC called me a "son of a dog". I mean, really? How old are we? Five? What's with this fear to use some vulgar language that fits the scene?

I'm glad to see that lore based discourse it still active two years into this very popular game. 6 pages on "son of a dog" which would probably be more acceptable in the original language ( translators frequently impose their personal mores on the translation). Wonder what they would do if you had a female character and the expletive was simply "Dog!".

I hope this active commentary/discourse will continue.

waterfairy · May 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

@Volkodav that would be a very interesting turn!
@Vigarr I will have to "diss a brie" my friend (ha ha get it?... Im so sad ;___;) I think Geralt has a lot of feelings that he just suppresses, he is the kind of person like my husband, that seems to be made of stone, cant cry but feels deeply... most of his heart shattering moments are with Ciri, heck he made ME feel like a dad and I am a straight woman that doesnt want kids xD.
Example: This video from minute 13 on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ1q0XNtVv0

But different people see people differently, also a big reason is that we imprint some of our own feelings in characters, I think. (sorry if it is hard to understand, my english is not the best xD)

I haven't finished the game yet so I won't watch the vid if it contains ending spoilers. I'm one of those men who rarely cries (as in only during the funeral of a loved one) so I understand feeling deeply without showing it.

CherryCake · May 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

I haven't finished the game yet so I won't watch the vid if it contains ending spoilers. I'm one of those men who rarely cries (as in only during the funeral of a loved one) so I understand feeling deeply without showing it.

Then you will love seeing Geralt having feels! =D

purple-magicb16_ESO · May 2016

Guys. Think about it. NPCs swearing and insults in game mean its harder for ZoS to tell players they can't do the same. Then you'll see some real pvp!

For this reason you can't compare single player games to eso.

dimensional · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

I was stealing stuff and an NPC called me a "son of a dog". I mean, really? How old are we? Five? What's with this fear to use some vulgar language that fits the scene?

If I caught someone stealing my stuff, the last thing I would call them is a "son of a dog"...

[Video removed for containing inappropriate language. Please do not post content that would be filtered by the forum profanity filter, such as images or videos.]

There are plenty of instances of NPC characters swearing in dialogue, I even heard someone call a *female* NPC a straight up bitch.

maboleth · May 2016

Moonscythe wrote: »

In a totally fictional fantasy world why would they use modern American vulgarity? It would just drop me right out of the moment if someone started berating me in such language. True, son of a dog, is somewhat unimaginative but so is modern American street talk.

Totally agree with this. That's why I never wanted to play Witcher3, despite all good reviews. For me it's not a fantasy world, more like 21century crap made to look & feel medieval with forced vulgarity and sex scenes.
I'm so grateful ES games aren't like that and hopefully will never be.

As far as I'm concerned I'm soooo much more annoyed by the people saying u b4, lol, your instad of you're etc. than son of a dog. Yeah, son of a dog! At least it sounds cool.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

This game feels like a kids game ...untill I tab into my officers chat. I love running a guild full of sexually supressed argonians and elitist dunmers ^^

I never get disappointed - ever!

...oh and we do have a token kitty, he gets cared easily and blocks the officer chat and scratch me through whispers, asking for the torture to stop.

Flouride_Bandito · May 2016

The crazy thing to me is how unutterably horrifying some of the story bits / quests are. I just saved a lady who was trapped by trolls in a dungeon cage. She casually remarks that she was captured with her friends, all of whom have now been eaten by the trolls - she's the last one left. Somewhere in her dialog is a glib joke about how horrible their screams were.

I mean... that's... that's really, really awful.

But, hey, remember the rules: horrific, deplorable violence is A-OK as long as you don't say any naughty words!