Sigh. Well, it's still going to happen. Still wish they had taken more time and care. I understand they are a for profit company, but these horrid bug inducing DLCs are just not fun...

Rakkul wrote: »

They don't appear to listen to player's feedback - apart from doing the exact opposite - so they may as well do away with calling it a pts and just rename it an expansion advertising server.

If they want a meaningful pts - then they need to actually LISTEN.

Well, first, lotsa things that had bern asked on these forum were in the first pts release and coming in live.
Then
during pts period they:
Reversed runes plan and allowed harvesting potencies.
Raised value on purge and doing it again.
Reverted power or reverb shield plan
Lengthened one of the shields by double iirc
Reversed vFX for dk decision
Etc etc etc.

There are plenty of examples of them listening before and during and moving either specificalky to what the players asked for or in the same direction.

There is a world of difference between "dont appear to listen" to the ectent you describe and not following ALLVFEEDBSVK or doing it all EXACTLY AS SUGGESTED BY FEEDBACK.

Its almost as if they had some other source of information to draw on than just forum posts, like maybe exact to-the-second details on everything done on the pts server or something and then included that in their analysis.

Or maybe its as you say and they didnt listen. Hard to tell since we hsve no knowledge of anything they chsnged i guess.

ContraTempo wrote: »

What they are not doing is making all the changes the testers want, or stopping the changes the testers don't want. With the exception of a couple of voices, everyone who has tested the upcoming changes to gathering/farming runes thinks it is a bad idea that makes things worse than on live. ZOS listened but did what they want anyway. Well, it is their game.

I have finally seen a coherent explanation of the change to runes and given that VRs are going away and how the new system will work, I acknowledge that this change is necessary. For details of why, see this post:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3018654/#Comment_3018654

If we had understood this from the beginning it could have saved a lot of back and forth on the forums.

There are still sets that need to be nerfed to grant that players are good when they use skills and not only by standing there and doing nothing! So balanace is even more bul_lshit than before.

Crystal Blast still needs fixing It does nothing Lol

There is no amount of time on PTS that would make ZOS listen to the players.

I don't see the point of keeping a PTS if they won't listen to the player feedback.

Simply throw that beta DLC right onto live and be done with it.

Definitly more time is needed.

As far as content goes, I believe people who would run through the content had already done it. As far as some trial such as Sanctum Ophidia goes, I'm not even sure we had seen any buzz going around it at this point so I kind of believe the content testing is done for most people and that there should not be much turning back for this at this point.

As far as base-game goes, we kind of have to agree that this is an ungoing thing which would great more or less powerfull classes, more or less powerfull abilities as well. What we can probably understand from how the testing have went regarding that aspect is that :

PVP communities wants to keep strong iconics class features and try to level any class who don't have that kind of strong inconnics class feature. All this without increasing the potent burst of some class which are well known for that aspect. I'm talking here about Incapacitate and also some other NB skills along with some Sorcerer ability.

PVE communities wants to increase sustain DPS of some of the classes while maintaining the original gameplay of class, mainly the burst class who lack of sustain DPS, they also want to see a better balance through the overall class experience along with better Set to fit every class. Most of the actual set being consider DK set.

Both communities seems to agree that they no longer want to see Toggle ability Inside the game, the use of two bar in order to keep a dedicated bonus seems to be a huge part of people complain. We can see it through some topic about Guard and also Inside the official Sorcerer thread.

Actually, It's a given for me that the revamp of the Champion system in order to balance thing out is important but that can't happend yet*. Also there are some class and some ability who would need a revamp but this can be part of another patch coming soon after release of the DLC. So if Zos want to launch the DLC, I'm down for it since content seems to have been tested and if yet they have in mind to keep an eye out for some more adjustment to be made soon after the DLC is launch it would be amazing !

* Champion System *

The overall performance of the Champion system as it is now is good but the actual simplicity of the champion system is a major issue, since any cap increase will lead to a huge inbalance inbetween Dot class and burst class, since one can really benefits from a lot more bonus then the other using the thaumaturge champion.

The overall performance of the champion system is at the moment a key feature in controling the overall balance of the game for further DLC to come. The actual system being too broad to support an increase of the CP cap as often as some of the community member would like it. It would be Something to consider actively if Zenimax wants to release more important DLC then those we played with at the moment.

BTW @ZOS I'm not against one mandatory expansion to buy per year in order to improve the overall content or help design new orientation for the game !