NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Aitherios wrote: »

This does sound like the case of buyers remorse. If you bought all the DLC's which are expensive. Why did you not just get ESO+. I can understand how you see this as unfair but to expect the devs to accommodate for your regret of spending all that money doesn't seem fair either.

Adding this as a ESO+ only perk is a great incentive to keep steady revenue flow into the game. Which benefits everyone as a whole. And quite frankly if you have the money to blow on all the DLC's and then some more store content. You have the money to buy a sub plan.

I think it's more of a feeling of being scammed by Ubizo$, they sold the B2P model under the advertisement of "no subscription required", naturally one would assume that any perks or extras given for subscribing would also be offered for sale under the B2P model too.

"No subscription required" does not mean that benefits would not be made available to subscribers. You can play the game without a subscription can you not? No scam is in operation here.

Other perks for subscribing or at least an alternative are offered for sale in the crown store are they not?

Yes you have alternatives in game for craft bags. Its called crown bank/bag store upgrade. Ive got like 160 bag on each of my 8 toons and around 170-ish bank slots I think off the top of my head. I just need more space because im a hoarder and still have some v1-v15 gear pieces in game lol. If you are not a hoarder like me, you can easily make do with the allowable bank slots. If anything, you should be arguing for REMOVAL of bank cap. That way you can upgrade to your hearts content. You might get more traction and support even from ESO+ members this way. Begging for the bag is not gona make it happen.. At least in the near future. Devs have been very vocal and clear on that. Their answer to the question about whether craft bag was for ESO+ only was like literally just one word: YES.

I've stated before in earlier threads and polls that I'd be happy with the removal of bank caps.
I don't care either way about the craft bags I was simply putting forth an opinion of how people who were sold the B2P model maybe feeling scammed, if B2P customers are no longer needed then that's fine by me as Ubizo$ obviously no longer need my cash for further development of the game.

I dont get it... When I go to a club to drink and don't get to sit at the VIP table or get free special VIP drinks I don't whine about it... Im happy with just being able to have a good time and buy what my money can get me... That dosent mean the club dosent want my money... It just means they are "encouraging" me to get a VIP membership since I spend a lot of time there anway...

from what I can see you guys are the only ones whining, I've bought all the dlcs and supported the game so why would I subscribe now to rent what I already own?... it would be like the club in your ridiculous analogy selling you a drink then charging you again for the privilige of drinking it.

You're not paying rent on what you already own. You will still own that. You will be paying rent on future content which hasn't been released yet.

Why is this so hard to grasp? It's not a loyalty reward for past behavior, it's an incentive for future behavior.

@ShedsHisTail

Actually we are paying rent for access to something we already own.

see thats the whole point of value for some vs. no-value for others.

-ESO Plus gives
-DLC access
-more exp
-more gold
-reduces research time

-Those of us who buy instead of subscribe'
-own the DLC
-have EXP scrolls or potions
-can still gain gold
-may be done researching

*We are paying to rent something we already own* so that analogy is spot on.*

You've lost me.
How does listing features have anything to do with the principles of rent vs own?

@ShedsHisTail
Listing what is offered in ESO PLus (rented) and comparing those to what is purchase via crowns (owned) is the whole point of earlier comments.

I'm showing you that what those who buy crowns to buy the items that give the same features and functions as the ESO benefits are not seeing value because they already purchased the benefits.

If that doesn't make sense, perhaps it explains why you disagree or don't understand the feedback to offer the crafting bag outside of ESO Plus, in addition to keeping it offered as a (rental) via ESO Plus.

If you use ESO Plus and use those crowns to buy some of the benefits, the next renewal is of lesser value.

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

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Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Some people feel that subscribers should not get any meaningful perks.

I've never seen anyone say that, quite the opposite tbh.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously, I don't see anyone saying this - specifically I've NEVER heard anyone say they were against raising any storage max.
Although since I'm not maxed out on anyone's bank or bags, I might have missed it.

If you go back to the threads of when they were first mentioned you'll see lots of that sentiment, I've a feeling a lot reading this now have selective memories of those though.

exeeter702 wrote: »

I'm not sure I've seen that being said anywhere....

The crux of the issue is that non subs fail to understand that Zos prefers players support the game via subscriptions vs exclusively via crown store purchases.

Answer me this? What type of perks if you can think of any, would you deem as fair and worthy of a subscription incentive? Mind you it must be a perk that is exclusive to subs without a cash shop equivalent.

Vanity rewards? Exclusive mounts? You realize what kind of uproar would ensue. The fact is, Zos has created a superb feature that has little bearing on actual gameplay that tons of players love and they have tied it to the subscription and have thus created a perfect incentive.

You can not add it as a one time purchase to the crown store because that would betray everything they are trying to accomplish with the perk.

exclusive armours and weapons possibly an exclusive craftable set
exclusive pets
an increase to existing percentages of loot and xp etc
crafting bags
access to an exclusive zone

There are lots of things that could and should be implimented for subscribers which would increase the sub base, what I don't agree with though is being told I'm less important as a customer or that my money is worthless compared to a projected income through subs, I'm a customer too and I've paid to be here just the same as you guys.

locking an increased bank space which has been repeatedly asked for behind a subscription pay wall has been construed by many as disingenuous and misleading when b2p customers were sold and chose to buy for whatever reason that particular model.

You're not locked into that model are you?
Can you not re-evaluate your choice?

I could yes but I don't see it as worth my while to do so, as I said in my earliest posts on this thread I don't care about the bags one way or another, I've no need for them myself but I understand why some people are slightly miffed about being cast aside by zos and made to feel their past support of the game has counted for nothing.

For someone so apathetic to the issue, you sure do make a ton of posts about what other people think about it.

I was under the impression a "forum" was by definition a place to discuss items of interest and views on matters lol

It is, but you've repeatedly stated that you have no interest or views.
"... I don't care about the bags one way or another ..."

Those are your words.

Yes they are my words and as I stated in that very sentence if you go back to my first comment you'll see it was an opinion given in reply to a question, the discussion has gone from there.

Am I not entitled to an opinion on why B2P customers may feel let down by zos just because I don't care either way about the craft bags?

You're welcome to all the opinions you want.
But as long as they remain simple speculations as to the opinions other people might have, I'll no longer be taking them into consideration.

If you have views of your own to express, great, lets talk. But as long as you continue to represent others who may or may not actually feel the way you say they might, maybe, I'm inclined to ignore it.

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Some people feel that subscribers should not get any meaningful perks.

I've never seen anyone say that, quite the opposite tbh.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously, I don't see anyone saying this - specifically I've NEVER heard anyone say they were against raising any storage max.
Although since I'm not maxed out on anyone's bank or bags, I might have missed it.

If you go back to the threads of when they were first mentioned you'll see lots of that sentiment, I've a feeling a lot reading this now have selective memories of those though.

exeeter702 wrote: »

I'm not sure I've seen that being said anywhere....

The crux of the issue is that non subs fail to understand that Zos prefers players support the game via subscriptions vs exclusively via crown store purchases.

Answer me this? What type of perks if you can think of any, would you deem as fair and worthy of a subscription incentive? Mind you it must be a perk that is exclusive to subs without a cash shop equivalent.

Vanity rewards? Exclusive mounts? You realize what kind of uproar would ensue. The fact is, Zos has created a superb feature that has little bearing on actual gameplay that tons of players love and they have tied it to the subscription and have thus created a perfect incentive.

You can not add it as a one time purchase to the crown store because that would betray everything they are trying to accomplish with the perk.

exclusive armours and weapons possibly an exclusive craftable set
exclusive pets
an increase to existing percentages of loot and xp etc
crafting bags
access to an exclusive zone

There are lots of things that could and should be implimented for subscribers which would increase the sub base, what I don't agree with though is being told I'm less important as a customer or that my money is worthless compared to a projected income through subs, I'm a customer too and I've paid to be here just the same as you guys.

locking an increased bank space which has been repeatedly asked for behind a subscription pay wall has been construed by many as disingenuous and misleading when b2p customers were sold and chose to buy for whatever reason that particular model.

Whoa whoa whoa, no one is saying non subscribers are less important or that your crown purchases are not valued. Understand that this is not a loyalty reward.

I can almost promise you with complete confidence, that an exclusive crafting style or mounts, anything of luxory vanity quality would be cause just as much of a fuss on here...

And even more increased exp or loot chances? You would have the misguided masses screaming p2w (inaccurate use of the term mind you).

It upsets you but the reality is that projected income is reliable income, when there is a monetary obligation from the customer, there is much more that Zos can plan ahead on. Cash shop purchases are volatile, there is no way to know if you are going to buy that sick mount today, in 4 months, or not at all.

More subscriptions leads to a healthier and steady influx of content for the game.

They are not ignoring the amount of money a player spends in crowns... obviously they value all the players that support the game, but essentially, with crowno store purchases, you are getting exactly what you want at the very moment of purchase, and it ends there until you decide you want something else that is offered.

A subscription is a commitment to the game based on future prospects and nothing is ever guarunteed in the bag (excuse the pun).

I know I might get alot of flak for this but in all honesty, for non subs, crown store purchases give you exactly what you pay for, nothing more or nothing less and you shouldn't feel it's unfair that certain things aren't for sale or available to you.

If you feel you absolutely need the crafting bag no questions asked, and if you truly enjoy the game and want it to continue giving you entertainment, hop into a subscription and take the risk like the rest of us.

You'll find people making claim to that just a few posts back.

I'm not upset by any of it, I understand pojected forcasts and investment well enough to realise the impact on development.

Don't need it or want it thanks, the B2P model suited me fine

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Some people feel that subscribers should not get any meaningful perks.

I've never seen anyone say that, quite the opposite tbh.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously, I don't see anyone saying this - specifically I've NEVER heard anyone say they were against raising any storage max.
Although since I'm not maxed out on anyone's bank or bags, I might have missed it.

If you go back to the threads of when they were first mentioned you'll see lots of that sentiment, I've a feeling a lot reading this now have selective memories of those though.

exeeter702 wrote: »

I'm not sure I've seen that being said anywhere....

The crux of the issue is that non subs fail to understand that Zos prefers players support the game via subscriptions vs exclusively via crown store purchases.

Answer me this? What type of perks if you can think of any, would you deem as fair and worthy of a subscription incentive? Mind you it must be a perk that is exclusive to subs without a cash shop equivalent.

Vanity rewards? Exclusive mounts? You realize what kind of uproar would ensue. The fact is, Zos has created a superb feature that has little bearing on actual gameplay that tons of players love and they have tied it to the subscription and have thus created a perfect incentive.

You can not add it as a one time purchase to the crown store because that would betray everything they are trying to accomplish with the perk.

exclusive armours and weapons possibly an exclusive craftable set
exclusive pets
an increase to existing percentages of loot and xp etc
crafting bags
access to an exclusive zone

There are lots of things that could and should be implimented for subscribers which would increase the sub base, what I don't agree with though is being told I'm less important as a customer or that my money is worthless compared to a projected income through subs, I'm a customer too and I've paid to be here just the same as you guys.

locking an increased bank space which has been repeatedly asked for behind a subscription pay wall has been construed by many as disingenuous and misleading when b2p customers were sold and chose to buy for whatever reason that particular model.

Dont you see how internally contradictory your reply is? Youre on board with crafting bags as an eso+ exclusive as long as you get to buy something from the cash shop that makes them unneccessary, thus negating their worth as an encouragement to sub. Also, everything you have listed would evoke the same reaction from people as we see in this thread or worse. Access to an exclusive zone? Increase to the loot/gold bonus %? Those would make the forums drown in tears and p2w accusations.

Actually I don't wish for anything to be sold that makes them unneccessary, I personally think raising the bank and bag space cap would be sufficient.
I think it depends on how it's presented tbh, for instance if zos had turned around and said "awesome news everyone we're adding crafting bags to the crowns store with 300 slots BUT subscribers will get an unlimited space crafting bag free with their subscription" I think it might have been better recieved.

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Some people feel that subscribers should not get any meaningful perks.

I've never seen anyone say that, quite the opposite tbh.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously, I don't see anyone saying this - specifically I've NEVER heard anyone say they were against raising any storage max.
Although since I'm not maxed out on anyone's bank or bags, I might have missed it.

If you go back to the threads of when they were first mentioned you'll see lots of that sentiment, I've a feeling a lot reading this now have selective memories of those though.

exeeter702 wrote: »

I'm not sure I've seen that being said anywhere....

The crux of the issue is that non subs fail to understand that Zos prefers players support the game via subscriptions vs exclusively via crown store purchases.

Answer me this? What type of perks if you can think of any, would you deem as fair and worthy of a subscription incentive? Mind you it must be a perk that is exclusive to subs without a cash shop equivalent.

Vanity rewards? Exclusive mounts? You realize what kind of uproar would ensue. The fact is, Zos has created a superb feature that has little bearing on actual gameplay that tons of players love and they have tied it to the subscription and have thus created a perfect incentive.

You can not add it as a one time purchase to the crown store because that would betray everything they are trying to accomplish with the perk.

exclusive armours and weapons possibly an exclusive craftable set
exclusive pets
an increase to existing percentages of loot and xp etc
crafting bags
access to an exclusive zone

There are lots of things that could and should be implimented for subscribers which would increase the sub base, what I don't agree with though is being told I'm less important as a customer or that my money is worthless compared to a projected income through subs, I'm a customer too and I've paid to be here just the same as you guys.

locking an increased bank space which has been repeatedly asked for behind a subscription pay wall has been construed by many as disingenuous and misleading when b2p customers were sold and chose to buy for whatever reason that particular model.

Dont you see how internally contradictory your reply is? Youre on board with crafting bags as an eso+ exclusive as long as you get to buy something from the cash shop that makes them unneccessary, thus negating their worth as an encouragement to sub. Also, everything you have listed would evoke the same reaction from people as we see in this thread or worse. Access to an exclusive zone? Increase to the loot/gold bonus %? Those would make the forums drown in tears and p2w accusations.

Actually I don't wish for anything to be sold that makes them unneccessary, I personally think raising the bank and bag space cap would be sufficient.
I think it depends on how it's presented tbh, for instance if zos had turned around and said "awesome news everyone we're adding crafting bags to the crowns store with 300 slots BUT subscribers will get an unlimited space crafting bag free with their subscription" I think it might have been better recieved.

You just agreed with me about how little sense doing that exact thing would make right here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3008232/#Comment_3008232

Would it have been better received, maybe, but that doesn't make it any less of a dumb thing to do.

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Aitherios wrote: »

This does sound like the case of buyers remorse. If you bought all the DLC's which are expensive. Why did you not just get ESO+. I can understand how you see this as unfair but to expect the devs to accommodate for your regret of spending all that money doesn't seem fair either.

Adding this as a ESO+ only perk is a great incentive to keep steady revenue flow into the game. Which benefits everyone as a whole. And quite frankly if you have the money to blow on all the DLC's and then some more store content. You have the money to buy a sub plan.

I think it's more of a feeling of being scammed by Ubizo$, they sold the B2P model under the advertisement of "no subscription required", naturally one would assume that any perks or extras given for subscribing would also be offered for sale under the B2P model too.

"No subscription required" does not mean that benefits would not be made available to subscribers. You can play the game without a subscription can you not? No scam is in operation here.

Other perks for subscribing or at least an alternative are offered for sale in the crown store are they not?

Yes you have alternatives in game for craft bags. Its called crown bank/bag store upgrade. Ive got like 160 bag on each of my 8 toons and around 170-ish bank slots I think off the top of my head. I just need more space because im a hoarder and still have some v1-v15 gear pieces in game lol. If you are not a hoarder like me, you can easily make do with the allowable bank slots. If anything, you should be arguing for REMOVAL of bank cap. That way you can upgrade to your hearts content. You might get more traction and support even from ESO+ members this way. Begging for the bag is not gona make it happen.. At least in the near future. Devs have been very vocal and clear on that. Their answer to the question about whether craft bag was for ESO+ only was like literally just one word: YES.

I've stated before in earlier threads and polls that I'd be happy with the removal of bank caps.
I don't care either way about the craft bags I was simply putting forth an opinion of how people who were sold the B2P model maybe feeling scammed, if B2P customers are no longer needed then that's fine by me as Ubizo$ obviously no longer need my cash for further development of the game.

I dont get it... When I go to a club to drink and don't get to sit at the VIP table or get free special VIP drinks I don't whine about it... Im happy with just being able to have a good time and buy what my money can get me... That dosent mean the club dosent want my money... It just means they are "encouraging" me to get a VIP membership since I spend a lot of time there anway...

from what I can see you guys are the only ones whining, I've bought all the dlcs and supported the game so why would I subscribe now to rent what I already own?... it would be like the club in your ridiculous analogy selling you a drink then charging you again for the privilige of drinking it.

You're not paying rent on what you already own. You will still own that. You will be paying rent on future content which hasn't been released yet.

Why is this so hard to grasp? It's not a loyalty reward for past behavior, it's an incentive for future behavior.

@ShedsHisTail

Actually we are paying rent for access to something we already own.

see thats the whole point of value for some vs. no-value for others.

-ESO Plus gives
-DLC access
-more exp
-more gold
-reduces research time

-Those of us who buy instead of subscribe'
-own the DLC
-have EXP scrolls or potions
-can still gain gold
-may be done researching

*We are paying to rent something we already own* so that analogy is spot on.*

You've lost me.
How does listing features have anything to do with the principles of rent vs own?

@ShedsHisTail
Listing what is offered in ESO PLus (rented) and comparing those to what is purchase via crowns (owned) is the whole point of earlier comments.

I'm showing you that what those who buy crowns to buy the items that give the same features and functions as the ESO benefits are not seeing value because they already purchased the benefits.

If that doesn't make sense, perhaps it explains why you disagree or don't understand the feedback to offer the crafting bag outside of ESO Plus, in addition to keeping it offered as a (rental) via ESO Plus.

If you use ESO Plus and use those crowns to buy some of the benefits, the next renewal is of lesser value.

I see. You're replying to something I didn't say, that's why it doesn't make sense.

The previous poster said he didn't see the point of subscribing now and renting the things he already owns.

"I've bought all the dlcs and supported the game so why would I subscribe now to rent what I already own?... "

I was explaining that by adding a subscription he doesn't lose ownership of the things he already bought.
I'm not certain what you thought I was saying.

newtinmpls wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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What are the benefits to a crafting bag?
-frees up inventory and bank space
-reduces the need to create alts for inventory space
-reduces the need to upgrade bank slots/inventory slots
-reduces actual cash and in-game gold investments for slots, characters and eliminates the amount of times currently required to log in and out different characters.

No improvement in combat
No improvement in damage or damage mitigation
No improvement in value of treasure, item drop RNG

So not pay to win. I'm quite impressed that ZoS came up with something so desirable that isn't pay to win. I didn't expect that.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I used to be interested in this thread...

I think it has run its course though. The arguments are starting to seem very circular IMO...

None of them are making new arguments. It just returns to the same basic points over and over. I'm gonna have to find a new thread to eat popcorn to.

Agreed...

Love the Gif...

Yes and some of be recent discussion seems to have a substance equivalent to silly putty.

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Aitherios wrote: »

This does sound like the case of buyers remorse. If you bought all the DLC's which are expensive. Why did you not just get ESO+. I can understand how you see this as unfair but to expect the devs to accommodate for your regret of spending all that money doesn't seem fair either.

Adding this as a ESO+ only perk is a great incentive to keep steady revenue flow into the game. Which benefits everyone as a whole. And quite frankly if you have the money to blow on all the DLC's and then some more store content. You have the money to buy a sub plan.

I think it's more of a feeling of being scammed by Ubizo$, they sold the B2P model under the advertisement of "no subscription required", naturally one would assume that any perks or extras given for subscribing would also be offered for sale under the B2P model too.

"No subscription required" does not mean that benefits would not be made available to subscribers. You can play the game without a subscription can you not? No scam is in operation here.

Other perks for subscribing or at least an alternative are offered for sale in the crown store are they not?

Yes you have alternatives in game for craft bags. Its called crown bank/bag store upgrade. Ive got like 160 bag on each of my 8 toons and around 170-ish bank slots I think off the top of my head. I just need more space because im a hoarder and still have some v1-v15 gear pieces in game lol. If you are not a hoarder like me, you can easily make do with the allowable bank slots. If anything, you should be arguing for REMOVAL of bank cap. That way you can upgrade to your hearts content. You might get more traction and support even from ESO+ members this way. Begging for the bag is not gona make it happen.. At least in the near future. Devs have been very vocal and clear on that. Their answer to the question about whether craft bag was for ESO+ only was like literally just one word: YES.

I've stated before in earlier threads and polls that I'd be happy with the removal of bank caps.
I don't care either way about the craft bags I was simply putting forth an opinion of how people who were sold the B2P model maybe feeling scammed, if B2P customers are no longer needed then that's fine by me as Ubizo$ obviously no longer need my cash for further development of the game.

I dont get it... When I go to a club to drink and don't get to sit at the VIP table or get free special VIP drinks I don't whine about it... Im happy with just being able to have a good time and buy what my money can get me... That dosent mean the club dosent want my money... It just means they are "encouraging" me to get a VIP membership since I spend a lot of time there anway...

from what I can see you guys are the only ones whining, I've bought all the dlcs and supported the game so why would I subscribe now to rent what I already own?... it would be like the club in your ridiculous analogy selling you a drink then charging you again for the privilige of drinking it.

ADarklore wrote: »

What is interesting is people saying they will NEED this crafting bag after DB launches, but the fact is, people will need LESS space since anyone with a high level VR (soon to be CP) character won't need all the various mats from previous VR levels. The only people that will still need the lower CP level mats are brand new players, and as long term players already know, managing inventory isn't a huge problem unless you make it one.

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Some people feel that subscribers should not get any meaningful perks.

I've never seen anyone say that, quite the opposite tbh.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Seriously, I don't see anyone saying this - specifically I've NEVER heard anyone say they were against raising any storage max.
Although since I'm not maxed out on anyone's bank or bags, I might have missed it.

If you go back to the threads of when they were first mentioned you'll see lots of that sentiment, I've a feeling a lot reading this now have selective memories of those though.

exeeter702 wrote: »

I'm not sure I've seen that being said anywhere....

The crux of the issue is that non subs fail to understand that Zos prefers players support the game via subscriptions vs exclusively via crown store purchases.

Answer me this? What type of perks if you can think of any, would you deem as fair and worthy of a subscription incentive? Mind you it must be a perk that is exclusive to subs without a cash shop equivalent.

Vanity rewards? Exclusive mounts? You realize what kind of uproar would ensue. The fact is, Zos has created a superb feature that has little bearing on actual gameplay that tons of players love and they have tied it to the subscription and have thus created a perfect incentive.

You can not add it as a one time purchase to the crown store because that would betray everything they are trying to accomplish with the perk.

exclusive armours and weapons possibly an exclusive craftable set
exclusive pets
an increase to existing percentages of loot and xp etc
crafting bags
access to an exclusive zone

There are lots of things that could and should be implimented for subscribers which would increase the sub base, what I don't agree with though is being told I'm less important as a customer or that my money is worthless compared to a projected income through subs, I'm a customer too and I've paid to be here just the same as you guys.

locking an increased bank space which has been repeatedly asked for behind a subscription pay wall has been construed by many as disingenuous and misleading when b2p customers were sold and chose to buy for whatever reason that particular model.

Dont you see how internally contradictory your reply is? Youre on board with crafting bags as an eso+ exclusive as long as you get to buy something from the cash shop that makes them unneccessary, thus negating their worth as an encouragement to sub. Also, everything you have listed would evoke the same reaction from people as we see in this thread or worse. Access to an exclusive zone? Increase to the loot/gold bonus %? Those would make the forums drown in tears and p2w accusations.

Actually I don't wish for anything to be sold that makes them unneccessary, I personally think raising the bank and bag space cap would be sufficient.
I think it depends on how it's presented tbh, for instance if zos had turned around and said "awesome news everyone we're adding crafting bags to the crowns store with 300 slots BUT subscribers will get an unlimited space crafting bag free with their subscription" I think it might have been better recieved.

Cously wrote: »

I don't think ESO+ has enough benefits to justify it cost as it is. Crafting Bags will be gamer changer to that, and in the future I expect it to get even more benefits. I'm sorry but if you don't care to support the game means you don't care enough to be relevant, you are just a tourist to see the sights. Plus players are the ones living in the town you are visiting and should get priority on everything. About credit cards...if you live in US you don't have privacy anyways, plus as the others said just buy a gamecard. I buy 6 of them and I'm done with ESO for the current year, no stresses, no lapses, no credit cards without funds, it's very convenient. No excuse, really. I'm from Brazil I pay the equivalent of $45, if you live in US where overall pay is much higher and can't afford $15 on a hobby that is very time consuming and gives back 30 days of fun, don't whine about not getting everything the game offers.

Hallothiel wrote: »

This whole issue is so devisive it does neither 'side' any favours and frankly some of the attitudes shown leave a bad taste in the mouth. The whole debacle has left me less than enamoured with this game & its players, even more than all the PVE /PVP nerf rubbish that is one of the main whinges.