Does nobody else see how wrong this is? (craft bags)

BrotherChaz · May 2016

First of all this post is not intended for ESO+ customers, you have no worries... Also please note: Where I use all caps for some words it is not intended as shouting. It is for EMPHASIS only to make a point. No offense is intended. I hope that this opinion post will not be a source of flaming posts... I just had to say something about a topic I feel strongly about.

But for those of us who have spent a serious ammount of real $$$ on buying the game, all add-on world expansions, mounts, costumes, personal banker, etc. etc.. This needs to be an option available to us also.

The crafting resource bags being available to JUST eso+ people is wrong.
Im sorry but This is a major item(fundumental even) that ALL CHARACTERS need, especially with NEW CRAFTING SYSTEMS/ITEMS being added with the new expansion.

I love the game but this is JUST Wrong. Having to get eso+ JUST to get CRAFTING BAGS feels a little bit like a slap in the face to those like me wh who have spent WAY in excess of the ammount that getting eso+ would have been ... I still have additional items (personal Merchant, New Assasins expansion etc.) I had planned to buy right away...

Sadly despite all the upcoming changes, which I have no problem with, this one most necessary item not being available to ALL LOYAL customers just does not seem right. I love the game but this one thing... well it just is not right.

I can not justify buying more at this point .. please keep in mind I have no problem with eso+ people getting it for free with subscription... My point is that those who have supported the game by purchasing everything up to this point should be allowed to get the much needed option also. Sell it as an option I would buy it even if it were 2000 crowns or whatever.

Sorry it was so long... I just had to say something. I hope this oversight(in my opinion) gets resolved. I hate it when a favorite game becomes less fun because of what the company does to its structure. Its my greatest hope this will not be the case here.

For those who want to say "Well just get eso+" I have to reply: think about it... After buying ALL the addons it just isnt fair to then FEEL FORCED to go mwith eso+ just for craft bags. What about all that money spent on the expansions? Would we be entitled to a refund since these purchased items are now included free? No there needs to be some fair mindedness and common sence applied here.

Thanks for listening. Please no flamers. I just had to get this out. Peace.

Valrien · May 2016

ESO+ needs perks. This is a perk, and it's not necessary to gameplay in any way.

This topic has been beaten to death and the majority agrees that this is perfectly fine.

wayfarerx · May 2016

People who buy DLCs with crowns run the risk of being locked out of subscription benefits and/or overspending.

People who subscribe run the risk of losing access to DLCs if they let their subscription lapse.

You choose the risk you're willing to take when you choose how to play the game. What you're feeling is called buyer's remorse, and while it might suck there is nothing inherently unfair about it.

Crafting bags are available to everyone, they cost ~$15 a month. A banker assistant is available to everyone, it costs ~$45. You don't have to like the prices ZOS sets, but they are either worth it to you or not, your decision.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · May 2016

I have all crafting maxed.Dont need the bag at all.I just save the mats i need,high level mats.High level food mats.high lvl enchant mats.Still have a lot of space in my bank.Crafting bag is a good compensation for subscribers since eso+ perks are not that good.Im not a suscriber.

BrotherChaz · May 2016

eso+ does have perks. you get all expansions free.. pluss experience boons etc. and free crowns. These things are also available to those who want to makle purchases outright.
I have no problem with eso+ getting the craft bags. However it should be available to ther purchase people also for the sake of fairness. Because this is indeed an item that makes very real difference to mall because frankly im tired of having a couple of character slots as storage space. It is important, it does make a difference, and if it has been "beat to death" as you say then it should tell you it matterts to many people.
Its great you have no problem with is... please stand back and let thoise with a differing view have a chance to say what they feel also. Thanks.

Ashtaris · May 2016

The thing I don't understand is if you did indeed spend as much money buying crowns as you claimed you did, why in the heck didn't you subsribe in the first place? Granted, renting the DLC is not the same as buying the DLC, but if you are subscribed, does it really matter? Plus you get crowns as part of your subsription that almost matches the subscription price itself. Now with the crafting bags added, it makes even more sense to subscribe. And that is what ZOS is hoping for, that assurance that a certain number of people are subscribing so they can make plans for the future, not based on the whims of crown purchases. Believe me, I'm not against Crown purchases or rentals of the crafting bags, I'm just not sure why you just don't subscribe and get it over with

But no matter, they have already announced that the crafting bags are a ESO + exclusive. From what I have seen from ZOS in the past, they will not change their minds immediately. If it happens, it will be sometime later.

BrotherChaz · May 2016

Ahhh is see... Sorry to have taken up space with my thoughts.

Insults, flamers, "why didnt you just" posters... okay thanks for giving me a chance to post my concerns. Its great to see the respect given to all who want to share concerns.

Have a great day, Peace

k9mouse · May 2016

I have ESO+, and I am buying the DLCs anyways plus mounts and pets. I see no problem crafting bags being part of ESO+ and that gives subs extra value. I much prefer sub model instead of B2P anyways.

quadraxis666 · May 2016

People who spend a lot of money on crowns but don't subscribe to ESO+ really shouldn't be complaining so much, but instead of buying crowns one time just sub for a month, get crowns anyway plus get all your mats moved to a crafting bag forever.

After sub expires they can still use items in the bag just can't add more to it, but their bank & inventory is cleared out and when it starts filling up and maybe one day you want some crowns, hey just sub a month again!

mistermutiny89 · May 2016

Stop buying the dlcs, stuff like Hew's bane was not worth a cent. Save your money and get a 6 month membership. More gold, XP and soon crafting bags plus heaps of crowns for you to spend. Makes the crafting bags pretty much free.

Valrien · May 2016

BrotherChaz wrote: »

eso+ does have perks. you get all expansions free.. pluss experience boons etc. and free crowns. These things are also available to those who want to makle purchases outright.
I have no problem with eso+ getting the craft bags. However it should be available to ther purchase people also for the sake of fairness. Because this is indeed an item that makes very real difference to mall because frankly im tired of having a couple of character slots as storage space. It is important, it does make a difference, and if it has been "beat to death" as you say then it should tell you it matterts to many people.
Its great you have no problem with is... please stand back and let thoise with a differing view have a chance to say what they feel also. Thanks.

I'm letting you say how you feel, but that doesn't mean I don't get to. If you want this to be a discussion, then involve everyone and don't just get on a soapbox and say "x" group can't share their views here.

ESO+ rents DLC for as long as they pay $15/month. Not exactly all DLC free. In fact none of that is free. I get crowns that I can choose to spend on DLC or something else, yet I lose the DLC if I unsubscribe and dont buy it...thats fair, but not exactly free. Sure, exp is nice...but what if I'm maxxed out and CP capped? Useless! If everything's in the name of fairness, then how is it fair that I pay $15/month for a crafting bag what you pay $20 (2k crowns) to keep forever.

It's possible to manage without the bag, otherwise people wouldn't have been able to do it before now (without alts, too).

Feel free to speak your mind but expect counterarguments. Argumentation and debate is the basis of a discussion, otherwise it's a bunch of people sitting in a room agreeing with no other opinions present and having nothing to talk about.

Ritzey01 · May 2016

So someone who actually pays monthly for the game doesnt deserve this bonus? only a one time fee?

Psyonico · May 2016

BrotherChaz wrote: »

Its great you have no problem with is... please stand back and let thoise with a differing view have a chance to say what they feel also. Thanks.

It is called a discussion. The craft bag to me is really the only perk thus far that would make me want to subscribe. I do subscribe, but not for the perks; I do it because I enjoy the game and want to support it. Now I feel like I'm getting something other than game time out of it.

Any character can get psygiic ambrosia for XP and anyone can buy the DLC, which is quite frankly a better deal than renting it.

Parrot1986 · May 2016

BrotherChaz wrote: »

eso+ does have perks. you get all expansions free.. pluss experience boons etc. and free crowns. These things are also available to those who want to makle purchases outright.
I have no problem with eso+ getting the craft bags. However it should be available to ther purchase people also for the sake of fairness. Because this is indeed an item that makes very real difference to mall because frankly im tired of having a couple of character slots as storage space. It is important, it does make a difference, and if it has been "beat to death" as you say then it should tell you it matterts to many people.
Its great you have no problem with is... please stand back and let thoise with a differing view have a chance to say what they feel also. Thanks.

Good to see a new post with a topic we havent discussed before. Personally as eso+ im not fussed if option is available but they have commited to it and id be very annoyed if that changed now. Also are you asking that only people who agree with your point of view? Not sure that's the purpose of a forum.

SleepyTroll · May 2016

I hope they do give craft bags with a one time fee lol going by the 5k crowns cost of the character slots it will cost like 20k crowns hahaha Also as a side note I know you probably don't know this but creating bag like the crafting one does take up server resources, it ain't free.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

In short.....
-The bag should be a base game feature and the ability to obtain the bag should be in-line with:
-crowns
-in-game gold
-ESO Plus

There are a lot of arguments or opinions but bottom line is this. ZOS has moved away from their initial confirmation of what would be linked to a subscription and what would be in the crown store.

Also, the fact that ESO Plus doesn't work as it should on Xbox One, the bag or any other features should be exclusive to a sub.

SleepyTroll · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In short.....
-The bag should be a base game feature and the ability to obtain the bag should be in-line with:
-crowns
-in-game gold
-ESO Plus

There are a lot of arguments or opinions but bottom line is this. ZOS has moved away from their initial confirmation of what would be linked to a subscription and what would be in the crown store.

Also, the fact that ESO Plus doesn't work as it should on Xbox One, the bag or any other features should be exclusive to a sub.

How have they gone away with what they said as far as subscription and crown store? the BAG is convenience like literally if I could describe the bag I would say: a bag to conveniently store crafting items instead of having to visit the bank or mule alts.

Cuyler · May 2016

BrotherChaz wrote: »

I hate it when a favorite game becomes less fun because of what the company does to its structure.

First, how does this make the game "less fun" exactly? Because you're salty? It's not like ZOS is taking anything from you....just not giving you something that others are getting for being loyal. So in reality your game isn't changing at all, just your mindset.

Second, using the, "I'm loyal because I buy crowns for dlc and cosmetics" has one fatal flaw. Listen closely.......

You hold all the power in your relationship with the company and at any given point may simply say, "screw you ZOS I'm not spending another dime until x, y, z is done!". Hence the company can never leverage you as an asset for future holdings or credit. Only after you've purchased the crowns can they use the liquid assets and possibly you'll never purchase another crown again.

Conversely, when ESO+ and it's truly loyal subscribers get fed up and say, "screw you ZOS I'm done!", guess what.....ZOS already got our money, and had been using it to leverage new products, credit and assets the entire time. It may come as a shock to you and others who think simply buying crowns every month is somehow the same, it's not. The company is smart for recognizing this difference and rewarding ESO+ subscribers with perks of it's own and it's in their best interest to do so.

In short, just sub. It's not only better for you (cheaper crowns, more perks) but better for the company as well.

Good day.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · May 2016

BrotherChaz wrote: »

Its great you have no problem with is... please stand back and let thoise with a differing view have a chance to say what they feel also. Thanks.

Why you want that person to stand back? i dont see how a forum user prevent others from posting their opinion.Or is it that you only want post that only agree with your point?Telling 1 person to stand back sounds a bit rude.

ZOS_DaryaK · May 2016

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Abeille · May 2016

I don't get why someone that spends more than what they would spend with ESO+ decides to simply buy crowns instead of subscribing for enough months to get that number of crowns, especially on PC where you can get up to 6-month packs. If the problem is that then you don't have the DLCs forever, then use the Crowns you get with ESO+ to buy the DLC just like you would have done with the Crowns you would have bought separately.

Maybe the game could make that conversion automatically. Whenever someone bought over $15 Crowns, they would get at least one month of ESO+. Maybe ZOS could sell "ESO+ time packs" that do not renew automatically instead of "Crown Packs". I don't know. It just seems to be so illogical to buy Crown Packs instead of buying the equivalent number of ESO+ months, if you are playing on PC.

I totally get it if you are on console and need a bunch of Crowns ASAP because there is a limited time offer in the Crown Store and Console only has a one-month subscription play. Especially because people often complain about missing Crowns on console, so I imagine ESO+ is kinda buggy on consoles.

Rosveen · May 2016

I don't have a problem with ESO+ members getting exclusive crafting bags, but I'm worried this will mean non-subscribers won't get any increase in inventory size again (or not for a long time). Practically everything people keep in banks are crafting mats. Now, subscribers effectively empty their banks and never have to worry about inventory management again. Meanwhile, the rest of us continue to struggle under the weight of new harvestables added with every update. How many IC monster parts we kept? New style stones with Thieves Guild? Plants with Dark Brotherhood? It's already barely maneagable.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Everyone has been perfectly fine without out the bag until now. Quit you whining and sub seriously. Support the game. There has been no bag since the beginning. Everyone who has been here since launch made it work until now, so can you.

You must have somehow missed all the complaints about small bank size and endless requests for crafting bags. No, ZOS did not bring the bags out of nowhere, they know people always wanted them.

FriedEggSandwich · May 2016

I've been subbed since april 2014 and I bought all the dlc with crowns purchased from the crown store. If you have all that money to spend on crowns then just sub, it's just 30p/day.

CasNation · May 2016

I will respectfully disagree with you. There is currently only a minor incentive to subscribe in the first place, and crafting bags are an excellent one for people to commit their money to the game more reliably.

My biggest issue with your post is that you claim everyone will NEED crafting bags to be able to function. We have been functioning without crafting bags for 2 years. Will crafting bags be a significant convenience to those that have access to it? Absolutely. Will everyone else be completely useless without? Not at all.

Besides from a business perspective, why would they allow this content to be purchased on its own? Once someone buys it, they never need to pay anything more again. A subscriber on the other hand is "leasing" the feature, and can't unsub if they want to retain it. The same goes for DLC. Those that gain access through the sub are compelled to continue to pay to keep access.

Kendaric · May 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

I don't have a problem with ESO+ members getting exclusive crafting bags, but I'm worried this will mean non-subscribers won't get any increase in inventory size again (or not for a long time). Practically everything people keep in banks are crafting mats. Now, subscribers effectively empty their banks and never have to worry about inventory management again. Meanwhile, the rest of us continue to struggle under the weight of new harvestables added with every update. How many IC monster parts we kept? New style stones with Thieves Guild? Plants with Dark Brotherhood? It's already barely maneagable.

I don't think it will be as much of a problem as people claim. A lot of materials won't be needed anymore due to the fact that CP are accountwide and the CP catch-up mechanic.
While it would have been nice to be able to acquire the bag by either in-game means or from the crown store, ESO+ needs perks badly. The crafting bag gives people an incentive to subscribe.

ZOS_DaryaK · May 2016

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idk · May 2016

Thank you for your oppinion. However I disagree. ESO has every right to provide these bags exclusively to subscribers and no need to bow threads like this one.

Anyone with basic economic and marketing knowledge would understand that subscriptions are the prefered source of income for a great many reasons. At that this carrot added to the ESO+ benefits is a big plus for marketing subscriptions.

In the end, crafting bag exclusive to ESO + is a win win for Zos. You can sub if you want to.

MaxwellC · May 2016

If you want the bag so badly just sub for a month deposit all your materials in the bag then un-sub before the charges reoccur; I think that's a pretty simple solution to those who want it for inventory space.
You could simply stock up loads of materials in the bag before your sub runs out therefore you can delete any inexpensive materials from your bank/inventory.

Acrolas · May 2016

The real issue is that my 12 characters will only have 20 bank spaces apiece even with the bag.

Subscriptions can't fix basic math. Especially when one recipe takes up as much space as a 60 pound axe or a 3 ounce ring or 200 worms.

idk · May 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

The real issue is that my 12 characters will only have 20 bank spaces apiece even with the bag.

Subscriptions can't fix basic math. Especially when one recipe takes up as much space as a 60 pound axe or a 3 ounce ring or 200 worms.

It's doesn't make sense that with this new crafting bag you'll only have 20 empty spaces in your bank unless you have kept every drop received in every trait. Oh, and every recipie found.

Taisynn · May 2016

Stop beating the dead horse! The majority of players have already spoken!!

Look at these polls and you have your answer: NO

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266749/final-craft-bags-for-eso-plus-members-only-please-share-your-opinion-about-the-rest-of-us

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266692/would-a-non-eso-plus-craft-bag-be-fair

https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I

Taisynn wrote: »

I have rehashed this so many times.

When you outright buy the DLC, your perk is your forever access to it. You get it as long as the game lasts. Your investment can never be taken from you should you stop paying into the game.

Subscribers pay MORE overtime for access to these DLCs, and the moment we stop paying POOF no more access. That investment disappears along with the money we put into it.

Subscribers need a better perk than just three days off our research time, 10% exp bonus, and some gold incentive. These are practically nothing. So we get ONE nice thing for making sure the game has steady revenue every month. Without us this game would cease to exist.

So, stop with the "it's not fair," rhetoric. You want the crafting bag, pay the $15 a month.

And the crowns we get everymonth? Hardly enough to get anything nice. And we're paying more for them on average.

And this whole "privacy" argument about not wanting to use a credit card - go to your local game store, gas station, etc. and go buy an ESO plus card. That's what my boyfriend and I do.

I buy my sub AND buy crowns for the vanity items. Don't argue we don't do the same just because we sub.