Why does the lower level gear look better than the higher level?

GivvumBoane · May 2016

The vast majority of these armors are impractical. No one could move around the way these characters do wearing all that gear. A Dodge roll in heavy armor? Dark souls did that right.

Taisynn · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

The vast majority of these armors are impractical. No one could move around the way these characters do wearing all that gear. A Dodge roll in heavy armor? Dark souls did that right.

Exactly! And wearing heavy or medium armor in Alikir? Should have a stamina drop too...

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

The vast majority of these armors are impractical. No one could move around the way these characters do wearing all that gear. A Dodge roll in heavy armor? Dark souls did that right.

Exactly! And wearing heavy or medium armor in Alikir? Should have a stamina drop too...

Lol they should also have to drink fluids to keep themselves from being cooked in that hotbox. (I wear heavy armor).

Taisynn · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

The vast majority of these armors are impractical. No one could move around the way these characters do wearing all that gear. A Dodge roll in heavy armor? Dark souls did that right.

Exactly! And wearing heavy or medium armor in Alikir? Should have a stamina drop too...

Lol they should also have to drink fluids to keep themselves from being cooked in that hotbox. (I wear heavy armor).

... I'd laugh if they added steam slowly rising from heavy armor in the desert for like April Fools or something. Then after an hour or so you hear a ding like you're done cooking.

(I wear medium armor! So I'd cook too!)

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

The vast majority of these armors are impractical. No one could move around the way these characters do wearing all that gear. A Dodge roll in heavy armor? Dark souls did that right.

Exactly! And wearing heavy or medium armor in Alikir? Should have a stamina drop too...

Lol they should also have to drink fluids to keep themselves from being cooked in that hotbox. (I wear heavy armor).

... I'd laugh if they added steam slowly rising from heavy armor in the desert for like April Fools or something. Then after an hour or so you hear a ding like you're done cooking.

(I wear medium armor! So I'd cook too!)

Probably almost as bad. Let's just say I would not have wanted to be in the same room with Kate Beckinsale when she pulled off that leather outfit after shooting underworld all day.

susmitds · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Armor rarity, ( green, blue, purple, gold) alters the item's luster. A gold item will be much shinier than a white item

I mean how the armor gets more saddlebags, belts, larger more intrusive shoulders. The bows and quivers are suddenly humungous. It suddenly gets more complicated.

I was referring to a comment about the armors getting a polished look. But, I would imagine it gets (beefier?) as you advance to balance the appearance with the increased resistances. That would be the only thing I could think of.

I suppose, but a lot of these beefier additions just don't make sense. They look so impractical.

Yeah, but don't try find practicality in a fantasy game with talking tiger cats and lizards. Ironically, the Khajiit armor is one of the few, that essentially remains the same in the end tiers too.

mistermutiny89 · May 2016

Level one medium argonian armour looks so damn good... Simplistic... Still a bit of sheen... Very 300, then it goes full Mardi Gras by vet level haha.

ADarklore · May 2016

ZOS probably does this intentionally so that you're more likely to buy a 'costume' from the Crown Store.

Rev Rielle · May 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice. All that work on those styles by development largely goes to waste as we level past their tier.

The simplest thing I can think of would be to add another option to the crafting window that lets us select the visual tier of the item we're crafting. We would be able to select any tier equal to, or below, the tier of materials being used.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love to have this. I really love the low level breton gear.

I'd suggest adding an aditional layer on the crafting UI. It would let you pick the gear tier of any style you've learned. Simple as that.

I agree!
And as a picture tells a thousand words; below is something like what I envisage might work:
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Crafting%20with%20Appearance%20Option_zpshbrxcwtj.jpg

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

there are some motifs that look kinda neutral high level.

i personally run with a entire set of ancient elf, but with a barbaric belt, coldharbor ash black, iwth necromancer blue lines in some of the dye slots

Taisynn · May 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice. All that work on those styles by development largely goes to waste as we level past their tier.

The simplest thing I can think of would be to add another option to the crafting window that lets us select the visual tier of the item we're crafting. We would be able to select any tier equal to, or below, the tier of materials being used.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love to have this. I really love the low level breton gear.

I'd suggest adding an aditional layer on the crafting UI. It would let you pick the gear tier of any style you've learned. Simple as that.

I agree!
And as a picture tells a thousand words; below is something like what I envisage might work:

I REALLY like your mockup interface. I hope ZOS adds it in. It would be awesome for appearance versatility!

waterfairy · May 2016

I agree...dreading the ridiculous red weapons soon.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice. All that work on those styles by development largely goes to waste as we level past their tier.

The simplest thing I can think of would be to add another option to the crafting window that lets us select the visual tier of the item we're crafting. We would be able to select any tier equal to, or below, the tier of materials being used.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love to have this. I really love the low level breton gear.

I'd suggest adding an aditional layer on the crafting UI. It would let you pick the gear tier of any style you've learned. Simple as that.

I agree!
And as a picture tells a thousand words; below is something like what I envisage might work:

Rev Rielle · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice. All that work on those styles by development largely goes to waste as we level past their tier.

The simplest thing I can think of would be to add another option to the crafting window that lets us select the visual tier of the item we're crafting. We would be able to select any tier equal to, or below, the tier of materials being used.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love to have this. I really love the low level breton gear.

I'd suggest adding an aditional layer on the crafting UI. It would let you pick the gear tier of any style you've learned. Simple as that.

I agree!
And as a picture tells a thousand words; below is something like what I envisage might work:

I REALLY like your mockup interface. I hope ZOS adds it in. It would be awesome for appearance versatility!

Thank you!

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice. All that work on those styles by development largely goes to waste as we level past their tier.

The simplest thing I can think of would be to add another option to the crafting window that lets us select the visual tier of the item we're crafting. We would be able to select any tier equal to, or below, the tier of materials being used.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love to have this. I really love the low level breton gear.

I'd suggest adding an aditional layer on the crafting UI. It would let you pick the gear tier of any style you've learned. Simple as that.

I agree!
And as a picture tells a thousand words; below is something like what I envisage might work:

I REALLY like your mockup interface. I hope ZOS adds it in. It would be awesome for appearance versatility!

i like this too,i miss the low level khajiit staves

notimetocare · May 2016

Because that is your preference, not a universal truth... Some people like 'em chunky, some like 'em fit...

NateAssassin · May 2016

The thing is, the new gear looks good, just not on females.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

Ive never been a fan of the Nords Gear both lower and higher. The V just sneaks down the chest as you level and out of no where you get these Road Warrior Spikes popping out of everywhere.

Its odd, a lot of the Racial Motifs in my opinion are just garbage. Redguard seems to be the only ones that got some really good treatment as far as design from top to bottom. Bretons have some interesting low level gear (especially the medium and heavy) but they get really complicated over time and in some cases change drastically per material change. The Bretons higher level heavy armor looks like it be really hard to move around like we do in game. No way youd be able to bend over and collect items let alone crouch and sneak around. I get they were trying to imitate medieval heavy armored knights. But geez.

Sometimes I wish theyd do a QoL pass on the Armor. Go back and touch them up make the armor pop where it should pop. Make it look like its being worn and not some strange wetsuit. Do something about the Orc Ancient Motif. The work done on that was just as lazy as the Nord, Altmer and Bosmer motifs.

Taisynn · May 2016

I really would kill for a way to wear the lower level Bosmer gear. It's by far my favorite. And the low level Dwemer bows and so much more appealing to the eye.

Yes, it's a matter of taste and choice, but my suggestion means EVERYONE has a choice on how they want to look.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

NateAssassin wrote: »

The thing is, the new gear looks good, just not on females.

Its not just about gender-specific models. Its about having style options.

Also, some people seem to assume that everyone who asks for this feature only wants these low level bosmer outfits (and even if some people do, what's wrong with that?)
I agree wth OP, high level designs often look too gaudy.
For example, I really like low level redguard belts:

...But on lvl 36+ they transform into this

:

Or breton hat+shoulders. Of course, the texture and dyes look better on high level ones, but the design is completely changed, and it would be nice if we could keep that hood without a mask, and shawl-like shoulders.

Many weapons also look different at low levels (and I prefer low-level versions

). Here's a couple of examples.
Dwemer beech staff vs dwemer vr staff:

Barbaric maple staff vs vr staff:

So... I dont understand why cant they implement something like this + being able to change styles of existing items. More character customization is always nice, especially for TES fans who are spoiled by custom mods.

Rev Rielle · May 2016

@KoshkaMurka I agree. And the strange thing in all this is that they have the mechanic already in place in-game. We have always been able to alter some of our armour to make it Imperial In appearance.

I don't think there are any negatives to implementing some of the above ideas we've asked for. (ideas that expand on current game mechanics).

Taisynn · May 2016

I wish they'd just let us choose the appearance of what you want to wear. The way the armor looks and the stats should be seperate, so there is more customization and choice. I mean, TES games have always been about choice and freedom to move around. This should be no different.

Demithian · May 2016

The older armour sets are better, the new ones are flashy but they lack the evolution the older ones had. Overall armour in general needs an overhaul, the different materials need more changes than just a colour scheme, they need a different look as a crafter becomes more adept at their preferred medium.

An amateur blacksmith won't produce the same works as a master blacksmith and the armours need to reflect that.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 2016

Last time this topic came up, someone suggested being able to 'unlock' conversion for each style with trait stones. So you could drop three Moonstone to 'research' the ability to convert shoulders to the Khajiit style.

+1support BTW. My main is a member of the Order of Star-Gazers, and I would like her to be able to dress the part. But they're all in linen and cotton! XZ

Taisynn · May 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Last time this topic came up, someone suggested being able to 'unlock' conversion for each style with trait stones. So you could drop three Moonstone to 'research' the ability to convert shoulders to the Khajiit style.

+1support BTW. My main is a member of the Order of Star-Gazers, and I would like her to be able to dress the part. But they're all in linen and cotton! XZ

I would be more than willing to drop those style materials for the ability to convert tbe styles! Also an amazing idea.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Last time this topic came up, someone suggested being able to 'unlock' conversion for each style with trait stones. So you could drop three Moonstone to 'research' the ability to convert shoulders to the Khajiit style.

+1support BTW. My main is a member of the Order of Star-Gazers, and I would like her to be able to dress the part. But they're all in linen and cotton! XZ

This would be quite detrimental for crafters.

snorlockb16_ESO · May 2016

Aye, low level dungarees have a bonny view if you like leaving yur sensitive skin available to abrasion an' poisonous ivy. Flashin' yer buttocks may win ya some points in some damned scorecard, but it dunna keep them from incapacitatin' penetration. Ben Dover will drive home that point, ye bleedin' pansy.

Taisynn · May 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Last time this topic came up, someone suggested being able to 'unlock' conversion for each style with trait stones. So you could drop three Moonstone to 'research' the ability to convert shoulders to the Khajiit style.

+1support BTW. My main is a member of the Order of Star-Gazers, and I would like her to be able to dress the part. But they're all in linen and cotton! XZ

This would be quite detrimental for crafters.

Why would it be detrimental for crafters? It could become part of the crafting skill line. Where only crafters can do it...

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

Better artists. Until regards changes happened even more lower level stuff looked better

Clerics1985 · May 2016

The Reason Armors Change in appearance the higher the Lvl gets is Because of Progression, as you level up in that profession you're going to be creating better newer looking gear. it should equivalently Look like you're getting better at crafting. I do agree that if you like the older Versions then you should have some way to get that look for your characters gear But you're not going to Take Vincent van Goghs First Painting seriously because He didn't know wtf he was doing.