First designed so more thought and was put into it

hasn't this been discussed lots of times before? I'd really like to hear an answer from the devs
It shouldn't be that complicted and would make lots of people happy.
the only downside to them is that probaly the low armor styled costumes wouldn't sell much anymore, wich means less $$. but it really should be done.

Yes, this has been discussed a lot. I don't think I have ever seen an official "Yes, this is something we should have." or a "LOL, nope" response.

Another thing. Is there a way to preview items before you craft or buy? Because that's another thing that I need. That little thumbnail picture is inadequate. I want to know what it looks like on me.

paganach wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. From what I have seen, armour (and weaponry) gets more shiny, more polished, more typically 'high fantasy' as you progress. I'm sure a lot of people really like this look and find it an important or appealing feature of the game, which I completely understand. It is a fantasy game of course, so maybe that's what people expect to see. Maybe to some, low level gear looks... boring.

However, I yearn for simplicity and honesty. I like things that look a bit worn, a bit threadbare (such as the clothing worn by The Prophet as one example), or maybe armour or clothing that you feel attached to in some way because you have used it for the majority of the game. I much prefer the earlier styles and appearances to high end gear, but I know that if i'm to survive in later levels I need high end stuff. Wearing a modest costume might solve the problem, but then that seems a bit defeatist.

Let's not take anything away from the crafting in this game. I find the range and scope of the profession to be a brilliant feature. It's like most things though - I like having the choice to opt for the appearance of low level stuff. The look and feel of my characters bothers me more than perhaps it should.

Primal uses a lot more chain mail than plate and looks kind of worn and practical. I'm using that style right now to let my skin breathe in the summer lol.

I agree there is an inclination for the ornate over the functional for armor in this game. Maybe incorporate little outboard motors for swimming so you don't just sink like a stone with all that weight? Really though I constantly think of the fight between Bronn and that knight in full plate armor in GOT that showed how strategy and situation overcame equipment - I just wish there was more heavy armor that was mail or mail with some plate instead of just all heavy plate at the end of the spectrum.

Maybe we could get the option to turn back the style wheel once we reach level 50? Craft in the iron ingot look/style for example regardless of ore used.

susmitds wrote: »

I gotta disagree heavily on the Transmutation stone style copy you want. A lot of crafters spend a lot of gold and time to collect the exquisite styles in the game and make gear for others at a price. If anybody could copy style from item to the other then premium crafting would stop.

I think you've missed the important point that you need to have the items before you can transmute them.

Lets say for example I really like how the Imperial Steel chest piece looks and I want to use that appearance on my VR16 character, but I still want VR16 stats. In order to create the piece I want I need 3 things:
1) A transmutation stone (or whatever they get called)
2) Any VR16 heavy chest piece with the stats I want
3) An Imperial Steel chest piece

Then I combine all 3 and end up with 1 chest piece with VR16 stats and the Imperial Steel appearance.

So I've still got to get an Imperial Steel chest piece, which means either crafting it myself or buying it from someone who has learned the Imperial Style.

The same goes for anything else. Want a Xivkyn Rubedite set on your level 3 character? You'll have to buy or craft one and use a transmutation stone to combine the look with the stats of level 3 gear. Want Khajiit hide armour on your VR10? You'll have to buy or craft a VR10 set and a Khajiit hide set. And so on.

Hypothetically it could actually double the number of crafted sets people buy. At the very least it shouldn't decrease demand.

susmitds wrote: »

I gotta disagree heavily on the Transmutation stone style copy you want. A lot of crafters spend a lot of gold and time to collect the exquisite styles in the game and make gear for others at a price. If anybody could copy style from item to the other then premium crafting would stop.

Cant you imagine a way to introduce cosmetic reforging without the drawbacks you mention? Lets say reforging an item would require the same skill level and half the mats as making a new item of that tier. It could include a feature to perform this service by crafters not only on their own items but also on items already bound to other people. The customer would open a special 'reforging' window with the crafter near a crafting station, put in the item he wants changed, the crafter would choose the proper style and click reforge. The item would change appearance. Tadaaaa! Done. And crafting didnt stop :P

Thats just one option... I can give you 3-4 more off the top of my head. One of them - merging 2 items (one for stats the other for looks) into a single piece of gear using a special extra ingredient was already mentioned. Crafters creating 'style runes' which change the appearance of an item on use and can be traded / sold to other people is another (probably the simplest solution). Or costume crafting. Or a vanity tab with slots that bind items permanently (item gets destroyed if removed or replaced). There are so many ways to do it in a manner that would benefit crafters and not harm them.

Volkodav wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

I gotta disagree heavily on the Transmutation stone style copy you want. A lot of crafters spend a lot of gold and time to collect the exquisite styles in the game and make gear for others at a price. If anybody could copy style from item to the other then premium crafting would stop.

Cant you imagine a way to introduce cosmetic reforging without the drawbacks you mention? Lets say reforging an item would require the same skill level and half the mats as making a new item of that tier. It could include a feature to perform this service by crafters not only on their own items but also on items already bound to other people. The customer would open a special 'reforging' window with the crafter near a crafting station, put in the item he wants changed, the crafter would choose the proper style and click reforge. The item would change appearance. Tadaaaa! Done. And crafting didnt stop :P

Thats just one option... I can give you 3-4 more off the top of my head. One of them - merging 2 items (one for stats the other for looks) into a single piece of gear using a special extra ingredient was already mentioned. Crafters creating 'style runes' that could be traded and sold to other people is another. Or costume crafting. Or a vanity tab with slots that bind items permanently (item gets destroyed if removed or replaced). There are so many ways to do it in a way that would benefit crafters and not harm them.

There's a mod called "Imperialization".It changes all your gear into Imperial gear when you click on it to do so.
Too bad there werent more mods like this for each style.

If it worked like the feature youre talking about it would be really bad for crafters.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

This thread has some really, really lovely suggestions. Come Barbershop, which I know you all have been working on, thus the secrecy, I really hope one of these are implemented.

Hell, I'd buy access to these options... Introduce them into a customization DLC. You'd have my money SO FAST.

Danikat wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

I gotta disagree heavily on the Transmutation stone style copy you want. A lot of crafters spend a lot of gold and time to collect the exquisite styles in the game and make gear for others at a price. If anybody could copy style from item to the other then premium crafting would stop.

I think you've missed the important point that you need to have the items before you can transmute them.

Lets say for example I really like how the Imperial Steel chest piece looks and I want to use that appearance on my VR16 character, but I still want VR16 stats. In order to create the piece I want I need 3 things:
1) A transmutation stone (or whatever they get called)
2) Any VR16 heavy chest piece with the stats I want
3) An Imperial Steel chest piece

Then I combine all 3 and end up with 1 chest piece with VR16 stats and the Imperial Steel appearance.

So I've still got to get an Imperial Steel chest piece, which means either crafting it myself or buying it from someone who has learned the Imperial Style.

The same goes for anything else. Want a Xivkyn Rubedite set on your level 3 character? You'll have to buy or craft one and use a transmutation stone to combine the look with the stats of level 3 gear. Want Khajiit hide armour on your VR10? You'll have to buy or craft a VR10 set and a Khajiit hide set. And so on.

Hypothetically it could actually double the number of crafted sets people buy. At the very least it shouldn't decrease demand.

I sold Dominion style versions of several medium armor sets to the same person yesterday. But with your said changes, he could just buy one dominion set and then make the rest himself and just copy the styles over. That would be a huge loss for me, given the added costs of the motifs.

susmitds wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

I gotta disagree heavily on the Transmutation stone style copy you want. A lot of crafters spend a lot of gold and time to collect the exquisite styles in the game and make gear for others at a price. If anybody could copy style from item to the other then premium crafting would stop.

I think you've missed the important point that you need to have the items before you can transmute them.

Lets say for example I really like how the Imperial Steel chest piece looks and I want to use that appearance on my VR16 character, but I still want VR16 stats. In order to create the piece I want I need 3 things:
1) A transmutation stone (or whatever they get called)
2) Any VR16 heavy chest piece with the stats I want
3) An Imperial Steel chest piece

Then I combine all 3 and end up with 1 chest piece with VR16 stats and the Imperial Steel appearance.

So I've still got to get an Imperial Steel chest piece, which means either crafting it myself or buying it from someone who has learned the Imperial Style.

The same goes for anything else. Want a Xivkyn Rubedite set on your level 3 character? You'll have to buy or craft one and use a transmutation stone to combine the look with the stats of level 3 gear. Want Khajiit hide armour on your VR10? You'll have to buy or craft a VR10 set and a Khajiit hide set. And so on.

Hypothetically it could actually double the number of crafted sets people buy. At the very least it shouldn't decrease demand.

I sold Dominion style versions of several medium armor sets to the same person yesterday. But with your said changes, he could just buy one dominion set and then make the rest himself and just copy the styles over. That would be a huge loss for me, given the added costs of the motifs.

You are completely missing the point of transmuatation. They would need BOTH the item they want the stats from AND the item they want the style from to create one transmutated item. Thus, crafters like us would make DOUBLE the profits from this. Relax.

1 Style Armor + 1 Stats Armor = One Transmutated item.

They need BOTH pieces to make ONE.

The Breton Armor in particular is so disappointing, it starts out looking like nice adventuring leathers, but before long I have inexplicable boob rivets/buttons. Redguard & Orsimer & Argonian, pretty much the same story, every new tier is an advance on the TACKY scale.

Whoever decided that as we became the "Heroes of Tamriel" we needed more & more & more embellishments, they should be rolled in glue, dropped in a vat of feathers & glitter, and then chased through the streets while we all point & yell "SHAME!"
...a punitive bedazzling as it were.


I want my starting armor styles back, when we actually had some style.
Making our own Costumes or Melding the look of one with the stats of another are both great ideas, I hope they hear us!

Oooh! I want mine to have built in jet packs so I can fly like Ironman!

I might also need a crash helmet.

Armor rarity, ( green, blue, purple, gold) alters the item's luster. A gold item will be much shinier than a white item

Taisynn wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Armor rarity, ( green, blue, purple, gold) alters the item's luster. A gold item will be much shinier than a white item

I mean how the armor gets more saddlebags, belts, larger more intrusive shoulders. The bows and quivers are suddenly humungous. It suddenly gets more complicated.

I was referring to a comment about the armors getting a polished look. But, I would imagine it gets (beefier?) as you advance to balance the appearance with the increased resistances. That would be the only thing I could think of.