Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

How is a wand a melee magicka weapon?

If you're hitting someone with it then it's a martial weapon as you're hitting someone with a stick, if you're casting spells with it then it's magic and probably better from a range.

Was trying to figure out the same. Wands are not inherently mele. At that, I run a magica mele build and don't see an issue using a Dstaff, which is on my main bar. The weapon doesn't always define if the build is ranged or mele.

Scroll to 0.45, and this is just one example.
A wand is basically a club, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuU60r7VT30

And your example proves my point. Thank you.

That's not an example of magical wands at all. Just physical and hence stam/weapon damage build. Based on your example.

Again, thx.

A club like weapon does not have to be a thick stick.
A small, very bendable one can hurt plenty.
If used well even cause serious damage.
But the point is, a wand is basically a with magic infused branch.
Length does not matter at all, hell, you could make a wooden ball and use that as a "staff" or wand.
It's form does not matter, as all.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

How is a wand a melee magicka weapon?

If you're hitting someone with it then it's a martial weapon as you're hitting someone with a stick, if you're casting spells with it then it's magic and probably better from a range.

Was trying to figure out the same. Wands are not inherently mele. At that, I run a magica mele build and don't see an issue using a Dstaff, which is on my main bar. The weapon doesn't always define if the build is ranged or mele.

Scroll to 0.45, and this is just one example.
A wand is basically a club, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuU60r7VT30

And your example proves my point. Thank you.

That's not an example of magical wands at all. Just physical and hence stam/weapon damage build. Based on your example.

Again, thx.

A club like weapon does not have to be a thick stick.
A small, very bendable one can hurt plenty.
If used well even cause serious damage.
But the point is, a wand is basically a with magic infused branch.
Length does not matter at all, hell, you could make a wooden ball and use that as a "staff" or wand.
It's form does not matter, as all.

Ooooh, fine example there.
Meesa like!

Taken from a different forum on the exact same topic...

"As far as lore goes: TES doesnt even require a mage use a staff. Staves are largely symbolic, rather than function. Or in some cases it acted as a conduit for people less magically inclined to use a very specific skill numerous times, like a multiuse/rechargeable scroll. In oblivion you had to go and craft your own staff as a means of showing you were no longer an apprentice. (Symbolic)

Any "wands" in the universe (as previously mentioned in this post) were more ritual items, rather than a focusing item. In the same sense as ritual daggers are used and you can often see a mage with a dagger equip. There's plenty of items/totems/focusing crystals that all do what those "wands" do. (What they don't do however is attack)

A "real" (TES) Mage wouldn't need a staff to perform magic, and their skills often exceed that of any staff you can find or craft. (a good example is in Skyrim, when you no longer, if ever, need a staff's assistance with magic) ESO gets away with this because, obviously, it's an MMO and some things needed to be altered to fit that template. (such as every player should have some sort of weapon) We can go as far back as Arena and see spells have always been cast from your hands primarily.

in short, No wands.... we don't need them."

Also: wands are melee weapons? I've never seen any fantasy genre showcase them being used to stab people or bludgeon them to death.

As to the points about the added set piece bonus: to be quite frank the most it would do "different" mechanically is be a 1 handed weapon. Everything else remains the same, and it would kill the non dual wielding side, as there becomes no drawback to dual wielding. At present someone who dual wields (swords for example) gets an added set piece and additional spell power but loses out on DPS and ranged LA/HA. That's the trade off of using a staff over Dual Wield, to add a Wand that can be both dual wield and long rang LA/HA kills the diversity of both, and EVERY mage would be forced to run dual wand because it literally has all perks and no drawbacks. Lets not kill the limited diversity we have already...

I'd rather have a Wyrd/Shaman class that could summon spriggans, lurchers, and wolf packs to tank with while doing massive amounts of nature-based healing and massive amounts of nature-based damage.

Instead of just a tiny little stick that makes a tiny little bwiiish sound and can't be used to block anything other than tiny little sticks.

But not going to happen any time soon, if ever.

Does not change the FACT they are around.
Seen AND used them in a few occasions.
So there.

Consider them new cannon?

But so are staves.
So what is the difference?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

But so are staves.
So what is the difference?

(as mentioned in my original post) Staves have regularly been used as weapons, the only alteration that was made was the nature of that weapon. In previous titles and in lore, staves are like upgraded scrolls. Scrolls were 1 time use items that cast a spell, Staves had a single spell enchanted into them that allowed anyone to use it multiple times and then recharge them. Mages largely kept them as symbolic items that represented their status but they could still be used once you were low or out of magicka. It was a back up weapon to your own superior power. Or in some cases, they were used by those who were not magically inclined, like a warrior who maybe just needed to burn that frost spider. They kept the staff on hand as a sort of "side arm" but it's still being used as a weapon.

There are at least 2 occasions off the top of my head I can think of where in ESO a Wand was even mentioned and both times it was in reference to a ritual gone wrong. No lore that I know of personally or can readily find via a google search ever mentions them being used as weapons against someone.

If the argument for the wands is simply "I want wands because I like wands" fine, but if you expect me to respect that opinion I'd ask the same of any of you to respect my opinion that because it doesn't fit the lore I do not want them implemented.

..... I don't like the idea of wands. No need for them, and they were never present in any TES game; as mentioned above, they were all staves if anything that were present.


On a side note... I will change my vote if i can dual wield wands and shoot them like little laser beams across Cyrodiil

Scepters.

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

i despise wands, there are far better options in TES for magick casting than WANDS of all things, *** teens use wands, we are battle hardened souless battlemages of pure terror

no, a mage that needs to use a wand, staff, whatever, is a weak mage.

Give us equipable spells for weapons, with animations close to how skyrim did the spells equiped

Give us a one handed skill line, split evenly down the middle with stamina and magicka morphs

ANYTHING that corrosponds to how the past games did things, ANYTHING BUT WANDS

OOOOH, YES, me want this.
I already siad this in another post: the ability to cast a myriad of spells like we had in TES games.
The ability to change them, to make new spells, simply put... MAGIC!
ZoS, wtH did you do with my SPELLS?????

Lets say we get spellbooks as a equip, eh?

These spells would replace our light and heavy attacks, they would draw from our magicka pool with each cast.

but how about, you cant use a heavy attack unless the spell in both hands, yes make them duel wield, is the same. So you get the 'overpower' spell mechanic we got in skyrim. I may loathe skyrim's magic system((alot of magic was cut out from oblivion to skyrim)), but i did like the animations.

so, lets say someone has two firebolt spellbooks, they use a moderate amount of magicka each light attack, but say we go for a heavy attack with these books equipped, this drains alot of magicka, comparitivly, and instead of a firebolt, it produces a fireball with aoe and slightly raised damage.

But lest not just stop with damaging spellbooks, lets put some other things to test

conjuring, thats right, a pet that lasts, say, 20 to 30 seconds. overpowering it would grant a higher tier or beefed up summon

illusion, why lets get some frenzy, pacify, and rally to work eh?

Alteration: lets hurl some freaking rocks at people

necromancy, maybe the same thing with conjuring, but you need a dead body or have recently killed something to make it work.

There are a myriad of spells that could be worked into the game, successfully, with this mechanic

however, spellbooks should not get crafting sets, i know i know, but thats a fair trade off i think for this, you get more utility and dps, but you have to sacrifice some set bonuses

its not a perfect idea, but its far better than WANDS, gods, just thinking about the damn twigs makes me cringe