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Templar Thaumaturge Sweep Bug - Fix coming for Live
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ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
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GoodOlPinkly✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
When you say "will be fixed" does that mean in general like there is a possibility it will never be fixed... Oh man.3 -
GoodOlPinkly✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
I know this would be a band aid fix, but would it be possible to just increase jabs/Sweeps damage by 20%, if there is no fix.0 -
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@ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
I'm putting my faith in the combat team to fix it for the Live patch... you can do it ZOS
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✭✭✭✭✭People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.4 -
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@ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
I'm putting my faith in the combat team to fix it for the Live patch... you can do it ZOS
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@ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
I'm putting my faith in the combat team to fix it for the Live patch... you can do it ZOS
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✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.
But then it would remain OP in PvE.0 -
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✭So if Flurry is benefited by Thaumaturge then so should Sweeps and if it isn't, Sweeps shouldn't either. However, correct me if I'm wrong but if I get hit by a dot, I can't dodge the ticks the dot does. If I get hit by Sweeps, I can dodge and the other Sweeps in the channel will not hit me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but because of that, should it really be considered a dot?0 -
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last i heard you can dodge sweeps, not sure about it thoughLeifErickson wrote: »So if Flurry is benefited by Thaumaturge then so should Sweeps and if it isn't, Sweeps shouldn't either. However, correct me if I'm wrong but if I get hit by a dot, I can't dodge the ticks the dot does. If I get hit by Sweeps, I can dodge and the other Sweeps in the channel will not hit me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but because of that, should it really be considered a dot?
Lol OP in PvE, it's not OP at all, maybe in about 4 years when we get to actually put a decent amount of points in elfborn/spell erosionDagoth_Rac wrote: »People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.
But then it would remain OP in PvE.
why must people argue for the sake of itEdited by Nifty2g on May 11, 2016 10:46PM#MOREORBS1 -
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last i heard you can dodge sweeps, not sure about it thoughLeifErickson wrote: »So if Flurry is benefited by Thaumaturge then so should Sweeps and if it isn't, Sweeps shouldn't either. However, correct me if I'm wrong but if I get hit by a dot, I can't dodge the ticks the dot does. If I get hit by Sweeps, I can dodge and the other Sweeps in the channel will not hit me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but because of that, should it really be considered a dot?
Lol OP in PvE, it's not OP at all, maybe in about 4 years when we get to actually put a decent amount of points in elfborn/spell erosionDagoth_Rac wrote: »People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.
But then it would remain OP in PvE.
why must people argue for the sake of it
You can dodge sweeps yeah. Think how annoying the damn ability is when you'll hit someone with the first hit and they'll just side step the rest while you're forced to face that same direction for the entire channel. Sigh. This ability has so many weaknesses, I don't understand how people say it will be OP.Server: EU Pact
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It will never be OP, but with Sacred Ground now you can at least apply 30% snare on them to make hit with sweeps easier, except stamina builds will ignore your snares anyway.
last i heard you can dodge sweeps, not sure about it thoughLeifErickson wrote: »So if Flurry is benefited by Thaumaturge then so should Sweeps and if it isn't, Sweeps shouldn't either. However, correct me if I'm wrong but if I get hit by a dot, I can't dodge the ticks the dot does. If I get hit by Sweeps, I can dodge and the other Sweeps in the channel will not hit me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but because of that, should it really be considered a dot?
Lol OP in PvE, it's not OP at all, maybe in about 4 years when we get to actually put a decent amount of points in elfborn/spell erosionDagoth_Rac wrote: »People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.
But then it would remain OP in PvE.
why must people argue for the sake of it
You can dodge sweeps yeah. Think how annoying the damn ability is when you'll hit someone with the first hit and they'll just side step the rest while you're forced to face that same direction for the entire channel. Sigh. This ability has so many weaknesses, I don't understand how people say it will be OP.
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It will never be OP, but with Sacred Ground now you can at least apply 30% snare on them to make hit with sweeps easier, except stamina builds will ignore your snares anyway.
last i heard you can dodge sweeps, not sure about it thoughLeifErickson wrote: »So if Flurry is benefited by Thaumaturge then so should Sweeps and if it isn't, Sweeps shouldn't either. However, correct me if I'm wrong but if I get hit by a dot, I can't dodge the ticks the dot does. If I get hit by Sweeps, I can dodge and the other Sweeps in the channel will not hit me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but because of that, should it really be considered a dot?
Lol OP in PvE, it's not OP at all, maybe in about 4 years when we get to actually put a decent amount of points in elfborn/spell erosionDagoth_Rac wrote: »People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.
But then it would remain OP in PvE.
why must people argue for the sake of it
You can dodge sweeps yeah. Think how annoying the damn ability is when you'll hit someone with the first hit and they'll just side step the rest while you're forced to face that same direction for the entire channel. Sigh. This ability has so many weaknesses, I don't understand how people say it will be OP.
Sacred Ground is pretty cool. Do we know whether it stacks with other snares? Caltraps and Nova I'm thinking in particular.Server: EU Pact
Guild: Hodor (PvE - www.hodor-guild.eu), Chimaira (PvE)
Character: Oriantha (Templar Healer), Zelda's Inferno (Dragonknight Tank), The Lumen Sage (Stamina Sorcerer DD), The Umbra Witch (Magicka Nightblade DD), Flirts-With-Boys (Stamina Nightblade DD), Oriantha Ellesidil (Magicka Sorcerer DD/healer), Wariantha (Magicka Warden in the making)
Current vMA score (Templar): Pending return to game
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It will never be OP, but with Sacred Ground now you can at least apply 30% snare on them to make hit with sweeps easier, except stamina builds will ignore your snares anyway.
last i heard you can dodge sweeps, not sure about it thoughLeifErickson wrote: »So if Flurry is benefited by Thaumaturge then so should Sweeps and if it isn't, Sweeps shouldn't either. However, correct me if I'm wrong but if I get hit by a dot, I can't dodge the ticks the dot does. If I get hit by Sweeps, I can dodge and the other Sweeps in the channel will not hit me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but because of that, should it really be considered a dot?
Lol OP in PvE, it's not OP at all, maybe in about 4 years when we get to actually put a decent amount of points in elfborn/spell erosionDagoth_Rac wrote: »People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.
But then it would remain OP in PvE.
why must people argue for the sake of it
You can dodge sweeps yeah. Think how annoying the damn ability is when you'll hit someone with the first hit and they'll just side step the rest while you're forced to face that same direction for the entire channel. Sigh. This ability has so many weaknesses, I don't understand how people say it will be OP.
Sacred Ground is pretty cool. Do we know whether it stacks with other snares? Caltraps and Nova I'm thinking in particular.
No, the strongest snare override itself. When you chase enemy on ritual he will be snared 30%, but if fully land sweeps on him - he will be snared 70% of sweeps and ignore 30% of ritual, when sweeps' snare ends - he will be snared back to 30% of ritual. Caltrops will have no effect since both are 30% snare and Disturbance will apply its own 65% snare.Edited by Cinbri on May 12, 2016 8:57AM3 -
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
If you don't get it fixed, Templars will not feel very competive across PvE and PvP and, with the exception of players who are fiercely loyal to the class (it's my favorite class, by far), it might spell the end of this class as a legitimate option in people's minds.
Why is it that Templars always seem to get a back-seat to almost everything else? Known broken abilities are not being addressed in a timely manner (Toppling Charge - and no, the ultra slow animations on PTS don't count as a fix), class skills get nerfed (overt nerfs and stealth-nerfs), and, if you do attempt to fix something, you break other skills in the process.
I just don't get it.
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Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭Since when is sweeps dodgeable? That's what always made it the better morph. Jabs is dodgeable and I'm almost certain sweeps isn't. Would love to know if someone can test it on pts since I can't access it right now
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kungmoo✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
any update on if this is going to get fixed?
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last i heard you can dodge sweeps, not sure about it thoughLeifErickson wrote: »So if Flurry is benefited by Thaumaturge then so should Sweeps and if it isn't, Sweeps shouldn't either. However, correct me if I'm wrong but if I get hit by a dot, I can't dodge the ticks the dot does. If I get hit by Sweeps, I can dodge and the other Sweeps in the channel will not hit me. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but because of that, should it really be considered a dot?
Lol OP in PvE, it's not OP at all, maybe in about 4 years when we get to actually put a decent amount of points in elfborn/spell erosionDagoth_Rac wrote: »People saying that Thaumaturge will make Jabs/Sweeps too powerful need to remember that Thick Skinned mitigates Jabs/Sweeps. So as cap is raised and people get more CP and Jabs/Sweeps becomes more powerful, you will also have more CP to put into the red Warrior tree. You can double-dip on DoT damage, but can also double-dip on DoT mitigation.
But then it would remain OP in PvE.
why must people argue for the sake of it
You can dodge sweeps yeah. Think how annoying the damn ability is when you'll hit someone with the first hit and they'll just side step the rest while you're forced to face that same direction for the entire channel. Sigh. This ability has so many weaknesses, I don't understand how people say it will be OP.
You can cancel the sweep with bash or block or weapon swap or....0 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
any update on if this is going to get fixed?
In terms of functionality, it will be fixed by time this update goes live. We're still working on a few outstanding issues surrounding the tooltip, but the ability itself will be good to go.6 -
kungmoo✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
any update on if this is going to get fixed?
In terms of functionality, it will be fixed by time this update goes live. We're still working on a few outstanding issues surrounding the tooltip, but the ability itself will be good to go.
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@ZOS_GinaBruno thank you so much for the continued updates on the topic. Been great feedback and communication.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
any update on if this is going to get fixed?
In terms of functionality, it will be fixed by time this update goes live. We're still working on a few outstanding issues surrounding the tooltip, but the ability itself will be good to go.#MOREORBS4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »As a quick update, this is still being worked on and we haven't forgotten about it! It likely won't be fixed in next week's PTS incremental patch, but we do want to address it before Dark Brotherhood goes live.
Wanting to and doing so are entirely different things please fix this. Templars finally feel competitive across pvp pve etc
The fix is currently being tested, so we can't say with 100% certainty it will most definitely without a doubt be fixed. We want it fixed as much as you do, though, and are working on it.
any update on if this is going to get fixed?
In terms of functionality, it will be fixed by time this update goes live. We're still working on a few outstanding issues surrounding the tooltip, but the ability itself will be good to go.
Thanks @ZOS_GinaBruno !
Keep a spot open on the post launch patches for this issue in case we find any bugs.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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