danno8 wrote: »

OMG @DDuke, that charge for me fails 1/5 situations. I say "situations" because when it works it seems to work for the entire duration of a fight, until the next situation.

When it does fail, only a fully charged heavy attack will allow me to charge again. Why a heavy attack? How the **** should I know, but it works every time.

The sad part is, it still does it just as often on the PTS. I had high hopes when I first tried out the newly designed charge, because it does look and feel genuinely different (slower and...weirder), but alas, the problem showed up again very early in my testing on the PTS.

Cinbri wrote: »

Rite of Passage - ffs, please revamp this useless ultimate. Don't leave this "healing" ultimate that can't even save you life as it is and absolutelly useless in both PvP, PvE in its current state; having this ultimate is same as don't have Restoring Light ultimate AT ALL. With change of Dawnbreaker, magicka templars must choose Crescent Sweep to deal damage, i.e. to give up on only defensive ultimate. There was 2 good suggestion:
1. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - make it self-buff that will heal only caster and deal some amount of damage, so templar who now force to choose Crescent Sweep will get sustainable ultimate.
2. Make it ground based cast: in MoL there is void zone that shooting Searing Shadows in you, why can't we have same with reduced as in previous suggestion effects cast ground rune that will shoot healing orbs around. Or make it ground based rune with same radius as NBs Comsuming Darkness tha will apply strong HoT on targets inside rune with additional morphs' effects and won't disbale caster too.
3. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - Make it work as self-buff that apply Major Lifesteal buff.
Don't leave templar once again with only option to have sustainable ultimate for small-scale - becoming Vampire, that like now is mandatory for magicka build. Just make it usefull before DB comes live @Wrobel

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Healing Ritual: not viable in current form. There was 2 suggestions toward it:
1. Make it ground based strong HoT. However i see it will be strong for healbotting zergs with Healing Ritual and Springs.
2. We don't need competition with Springs, so: Make it work self-buff HoT for 15 sec. Ally near can activate Salvation synnergy that apply small HoT. It can have same visual as Twilight Remedy - yellow glowing heart to represent "holy" aspect.

• a. Ritual of Rebirth - Salvation synnergy transfrom into Mercy synnergy: activating it will apply HoT and also proc exploding AoE heal (same radius as from Almalexia Mercy set).
• b. Lingering Ritual - increasing duration of HoT and duration of Salvation synnergy HoT.

It won't promote zerging but will make it strong for sustainable builds and will be templar "holy" version of reto-staff HoTs.
Light Weaver: revamp.

• a. To make our home stronger - since Restoring Light now is offensive skill tree too and keep in mind Healing Mage set - enemies inside your areas of protection have their damage (weapon/spell) reduced.
• b. Instead of it apply Major Evasion buff when inside Rune Focus, we will be punished enough to stay inside this small house.

Enduring Rays: same as previous but work like Shadow Barrier - aplly Major Evasion buff on you for 2 secs after activating Dawn Wrath ability, each piece of heavy armor will increase duration for 0.5 sec. It will make this passive somehow usefull and cover fact that Dawn Wrath some time ago had best defensive ablities but lost it, also it will synnergize with heavy armor for "paladin" style.
Eclipse: if it can't be revamped into self-buff - it should get back debuff if cast was broken like Total Dark before to punish breaking free this cast. It could be like before - reduce weapon/spelldamage or since it related in lore with disabling mechanics - breaking free apply cleansable debuff that cutting mana/stamina regen to 50%. Or just remove 1 target cap.
@Wrobel

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GoodOlPinkly wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Rite of Passage - ffs, please revamp this useless ultimate. Don't leave this "healing" ultimate that can't even save you life as it is and absolutelly useless in both PvP, PvE in its current state; having this ultimate is same as don't have Restoring Light ultimate AT ALL. With change of Dawnbreaker, magicka templars must choose Crescent Sweep to deal damage, i.e. to give up on only defensive ultimate. There was 2 good suggestion:
1. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - make it self-buff that will heal only caster and deal some amount of damage, so templar who now force to choose Crescent Sweep will get sustainable ultimate.
2. Make it ground based cast: in MoL there is void zone that shooting Searing Shadows in you, why can't we have same with reduced as in previous suggestion effects cast ground rune that will shoot healing orbs around. Or make it ground based rune with same radius as NBs Comsuming Darkness tha will apply strong HoT on targets inside rune with additional morphs' effects and won't disbale caster too.
3. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - Make it work as self-buff that apply Major Lifesteal buff.
Don't leave templar once again with only option to have sustainable ultimate for small-scale - becoming Vampire, that like now is mandatory for magicka build. Just make it usefull before DB comes live @Wrobel

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Healing Ritual: not viable in current form. There was 2 suggestions toward it:
1. Make it ground based strong HoT. However i see it will be strong for healbotting zergs with Healing Ritual and Springs.
2. We don't need competition with Springs, so: Make it work self-buff HoT for 15 sec. Ally near can activate Salvation synnergy that apply small HoT. It can have same visual as Twilight Remedy - yellow glowing heart to represent "holy" aspect.

• a. Ritual of Rebirth - Salvation synnergy transfrom into Mercy synnergy: activating it will apply HoT and also proc exploding AoE heal (same radius as from Almalexia Mercy set).
• b. Lingering Ritual - increasing duration of HoT and duration of Salvation synnergy HoT.

It won't promote zerging but will make it strong for sustainable builds and will be templar "holy" version of reto-staff HoTs.
Light Weaver: revamp.

• a. To make our home stronger - since Restoring Light now is offensive skill tree too and keep in mind Healing Mage set - enemies inside your areas of protection have their damage (weapon/spell) reduced.
• b. Instead of it apply Major Evasion buff when inside Rune Focus, we will be punished enough to stay inside this small house.

Enduring Rays: same as previous but work like Shadow Barrier - aplly Major Evasion buff on you for 2 secs after activating Dawn Wrath ability, each piece of heavy armor will increase duration for 0.5 sec. It will make this passive somehow usefull and cover fact that Dawn Wrath some time ago had best defensive ablities but lost it, also it will synnergize with heavy armor for "paladin" style.
Eclipse: if it can't be revamped into self-buff - it should get back debuff if cast was broken like Total Dark before to punish breaking free this cast. It could be like before - reduce weapon/spelldamage or since it related in lore with disabling mechanics - breaking free apply cleansable debuff that cutting mana/stamina regen to 50%. Or just remove 1 target cap.
@Wrobel

@Wrobel please don't change rite of passage many templars do use this, and it will be making templars feel even less like healers....

Yeah, just remove Ulti regen from it, to make those people who use it to be more healers.

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GoodOlPinkly wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GoodOlPinkly wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Rite of Passage - ffs, please revamp this useless ultimate. Don't leave this "healing" ultimate that can't even save you life as it is and absolutelly useless in both PvP, PvE in its current state; having this ultimate is same as don't have Restoring Light ultimate AT ALL. With change of Dawnbreaker, magicka templars must choose Crescent Sweep to deal damage, i.e. to give up on only defensive ultimate. There was 2 good suggestion:
1. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - make it self-buff that will heal only caster and deal some amount of damage, so templar who now force to choose Crescent Sweep will get sustainable ultimate.
2. Make it ground based cast: in MoL there is void zone that shooting Searing Shadows in you, why can't we have same with reduced as in previous suggestion effects cast ground rune that will shoot healing orbs around. Or make it ground based rune with same radius as NBs Comsuming Darkness tha will apply strong HoT on targets inside rune with additional morphs' effects and won't disbale caster too.
3. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - Make it work as self-buff that apply Major Lifesteal buff.
Don't leave templar once again with only option to have sustainable ultimate for small-scale - becoming Vampire, that like now is mandatory for magicka build. Just make it usefull before DB comes live @Wrobel

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Healing Ritual: not viable in current form. There was 2 suggestions toward it:
1. Make it ground based strong HoT. However i see it will be strong for healbotting zergs with Healing Ritual and Springs.
2. We don't need competition with Springs, so: Make it work self-buff HoT for 15 sec. Ally near can activate Salvation synnergy that apply small HoT. It can have same visual as Twilight Remedy - yellow glowing heart to represent "holy" aspect.

• a. Ritual of Rebirth - Salvation synnergy transfrom into Mercy synnergy: activating it will apply HoT and also proc exploding AoE heal (same radius as from Almalexia Mercy set).
• b. Lingering Ritual - increasing duration of HoT and duration of Salvation synnergy HoT.

It won't promote zerging but will make it strong for sustainable builds and will be templar "holy" version of reto-staff HoTs.
Light Weaver: revamp.

• a. To make our home stronger - since Restoring Light now is offensive skill tree too and keep in mind Healing Mage set - enemies inside your areas of protection have their damage (weapon/spell) reduced.
• b. Instead of it apply Major Evasion buff when inside Rune Focus, we will be punished enough to stay inside this small house.

Enduring Rays: same as previous but work like Shadow Barrier - aplly Major Evasion buff on you for 2 secs after activating Dawn Wrath ability, each piece of heavy armor will increase duration for 0.5 sec. It will make this passive somehow usefull and cover fact that Dawn Wrath some time ago had best defensive ablities but lost it, also it will synnergize with heavy armor for "paladin" style.
Eclipse: if it can't be revamped into self-buff - it should get back debuff if cast was broken like Total Dark before to punish breaking free this cast. It could be like before - reduce weapon/spelldamage or since it related in lore with disabling mechanics - breaking free apply cleansable debuff that cutting mana/stamina regen to 50%. Or just remove 1 target cap.
@Wrobel

@Wrobel please don't change rite of passage many templars do use this, and it will be making templars feel even less like healers....

Yeah, just remove Ulti regen from it, to make those people who use it to be more healers.

How about we just leave it the way it is Change=Nerf when it comes to templars

It's not nerf, it's removing permault possibility and thing which prevents people to L2P at all since they can just solve all problems by only one ability, this is kind of bug.

Also i'd like to see some RD adjustments, i've played couple of days exclusively in sieges and get 3+ RD beams on me 50% of times, it should be an execute after all, not 'press me and wait for AP' button.

Cinbri wrote: »

I will dissapoint you @GoodOlPinkly,anyone who using Rite of Passage for healing - bad healer. That is fact.

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GoodOlPinkly wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GoodOlPinkly wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GoodOlPinkly wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Rite of Passage - ffs, please revamp this useless ultimate. Don't leave this "healing" ultimate that can't even save you life as it is and absolutelly useless in both PvP, PvE in its current state; having this ultimate is same as don't have Restoring Light ultimate AT ALL. With change of Dawnbreaker, magicka templars must choose Crescent Sweep to deal damage, i.e. to give up on only defensive ultimate. There was 2 good suggestion:
1. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - make it self-buff that will heal only caster and deal some amount of damage, so templar who now force to choose Crescent Sweep will get sustainable ultimate.
2. Make it ground based cast: in MoL there is void zone that shooting Searing Shadows in you, why can't we have same with reduced as in previous suggestion effects cast ground rune that will shoot healing orbs around. Or make it ground based rune with same radius as NBs Comsuming Darkness tha will apply strong HoT on targets inside rune with additional morphs' effects and won't disbale caster too.
3. Since new buff introduced and Restoring Light tree became offensive too - Make it work as self-buff that apply Major Lifesteal buff.
Don't leave templar once again with only option to have sustainable ultimate for small-scale - becoming Vampire, that like now is mandatory for magicka build. Just make it usefull before DB comes live @Wrobel

---

Healing Ritual: not viable in current form. There was 2 suggestions toward it:
1. Make it ground based strong HoT. However i see it will be strong for healbotting zergs with Healing Ritual and Springs.
2. We don't need competition with Springs, so: Make it work self-buff HoT for 15 sec. Ally near can activate Salvation synnergy that apply small HoT. It can have same visual as Twilight Remedy - yellow glowing heart to represent "holy" aspect.

• a. Ritual of Rebirth - Salvation synnergy transfrom into Mercy synnergy: activating it will apply HoT and also proc exploding AoE heal (same radius as from Almalexia Mercy set).
• b. Lingering Ritual - increasing duration of HoT and duration of Salvation synnergy HoT.

It won't promote zerging but will make it strong for sustainable builds and will be templar "holy" version of reto-staff HoTs.
Light Weaver: revamp.

• a. To make our home stronger - since Restoring Light now is offensive skill tree too and keep in mind Healing Mage set - enemies inside your areas of protection have their damage (weapon/spell) reduced.
• b. Instead of it apply Major Evasion buff when inside Rune Focus, we will be punished enough to stay inside this small house.

Enduring Rays: same as previous but work like Shadow Barrier - aplly Major Evasion buff on you for 2 secs after activating Dawn Wrath ability, each piece of heavy armor will increase duration for 0.5 sec. It will make this passive somehow usefull and cover fact that Dawn Wrath some time ago had best defensive ablities but lost it, also it will synnergize with heavy armor for "paladin" style.
Eclipse: if it can't be revamped into self-buff - it should get back debuff if cast was broken like Total Dark before to punish breaking free this cast. It could be like before - reduce weapon/spelldamage or since it related in lore with disabling mechanics - breaking free apply cleansable debuff that cutting mana/stamina regen to 50%. Or just remove 1 target cap.
@Wrobel

@Wrobel please don't change rite of passage many templars do use this, and it will be making templars feel even less like healers....

Yeah, just remove Ulti regen from it, to make those people who use it to be more healers.

How about we just leave it the way it is Change=Nerf when it comes to templars

It's not nerf, it's removing permault possibility and thing which prevents people to L2P at all since they can just solve all problems by only one ability, this is kind of bug.

Also i'd like to see some RD adjustments, i've played couple of days exclusively in sieges and get 3+ RD beams on me 50% of times, it should be an execute after all, not 'press me and wait for AP' button.

Lmao just leave, we got another I can't 1vX templars in here.

I'm main on magplar, so your "Lmao" isn't in place here.
There's a lot of magplars who have RD and healing ulti and thought that this two buttons spam does require skill, while other magplars do think that such people creates visibility that magplar needs to be nerfed other way, revisit RD to make it instant cast 22 meters with sightly reduced cost isn't big deal for most, returning blinding flashes with rd removal will be even better from pvp PoV.

And i can 1vX such magplars since i run in heavy with 27k health+purifying ritual and their spam only creates unnecessary flashes on my screen.

Cinbri wrote: »

I will dissapoint you @GoodOlPinkly,anyone who using Rite of Passage for healing - bad healer. That is fact.

itscompton wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

itscompton wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Wow... Actually I'm a bit scared now of how strong magicka templars are going to be next patch

And it's not even that clear choice which morph to pick, as they are both very powerful. The DoT might seem small, but for one button click it's a lot of potential damage that is going to help get through the healing of opponents.

If it doesn't work out, I guess there's always Extended Ritual to fall back to now...

The 20% buff is nice, but it is still going to do less damage than most other ground dots like Eruption, Caltrops, Liquid Lightning, ect because ritual ticks every 1 seconds whereas everything else ticks every one second.

There is nothing to be scared of.

Well, I didn't just mean that morph & Purify changes, but the big picture... If you look at how much heavy armor got buffed you'll understand how it might affect magicka templar which is currently one of the most viable builds for heavy armor.

With the exception of the 50k+ health blazing shield build, I don' t see anything too scary about a Templar in heavy armor next patch. Yeh it will be extremely viable for sure but far from scary. With poisons you are going to need like 25k-30k+ armor for it to be worth anything anyway.

It is already not only "extremely viable", but one of the best builds in PvP.

You don't need Blazing Shield to tank zergs, you can do that with sweeps & enough impen, mitigation & spell dmg/magicka.

All while still being capable of beating anyone in 1v1 fights, or acting as a group support healing allies with Honor the Dead.

What definition of Zerg are you using? This is false unless you that type of player that considers any group of multiple players to be a zerg. Blazing Shield Templar is the most effective build for tanking large groups. For example, most groups just leave Yegorian alone at this point whereas a sweeps Templar just gets steamrolled.

Well, any amount with LoS really - I've had up to 20 people hitting me in one of those small rooms in keeps.

But in open field, you can easily survive 5 people hitting you - even 10~ for quite a while.


Still, Blazing Shield templar is more effective for tanking large groups I agree - though it's weaker in 1v1 or vs smaller groups than a more conventional sweeps utilizing templar and can't act as group support.

You are claiming to be able to tank "any" amount of players with LOS using sweep and you consider 5 to 10 people hitting on you in open field a zerg? Okay then.

Well, if you know of a build capable of tanking better while also being good in 1v1 & smaller scale fights - do let me know

I'm not saying my build does large scale zerg tanking better than Blazing Shieldplar - but it's still pretty damn tanky and one of the best builds in the duel scene capable of competing with even the best stam DKs & magicka Sorcs.

This has lead me to the realization that magicka templar isn't as weak as some people like to claim/think.

I'm done. Your claim to be able tank "any" amount of players with sweeps has convinced me that any further responses to you on this are waste of time.

Well, "any" is a bad term to use because of course there are limits to everything - I just haven't met that limit yet in those situations (open field is a different story).

Minno wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Wow... Actually I'm a bit scared now of how strong magicka templars are going to be next patch

And it's not even that clear choice which morph to pick, as they are both very powerful. The DoT might seem small, but for one button click it's a lot of potential damage that is going to help get through the healing of opponents.

If it doesn't work out, I guess there's always Extended Ritual to fall back to now...

The 20% buff is nice, but it is still going to do less damage than most other ground dots like Eruption, Caltrops, Liquid Lightning, ect because ritual ticks every 1 seconds whereas everything else ticks every one second.

There is nothing to be scared of.

Well, I didn't just mean that morph & Purify changes, but the big picture... If you look at how much heavy armor got buffed you'll understand how it might affect magicka templar which is currently one of the most viable builds for heavy armor.

With the exception of the 50k+ health blazing shield build, I don' t see anything too scary about a Templar in heavy armor next patch. Yeh it will be extremely viable for sure but far from scary. With poisons you are going to need like 25k-30k+ armor for it to be worth anything anyway.

It is already not only "extremely viable", but one of the best builds in PvP.

You don't need Blazing Shield to tank zergs, you can do that with sweeps & enough impen, mitigation & spell dmg/magicka.

All while still being capable of beating anyone in 1v1 fights, or acting as a group support healing allies with Honor the Dead.

What definition of Zerg are you using? This is false unless you that type of player that considers any group of multiple players to be a zerg. Blazing Shield Templar is the most effective build for tanking large groups. For example, most groups just leave Yegorian alone at this point whereas a sweeps Templar just gets steamrolled.

Well, any amount with LoS really - I've had up to 20 people hitting me in one of those small rooms in keeps.

But in open field, you can easily survive 5 people hitting you - even 10~ for quite a while.


Still, Blazing Shield templar is more effective for tanking large groups I agree - though it's weaker in 1v1 or vs smaller groups than a more conventional sweeps utilizing templar and can't act as group support.

You are claiming to be able to tank "any" amount of players with LOS using sweep and you consider 5 to 10 people hitting on you in open field a zerg? Okay then.

Well, if you know of a build capable of tanking better while also being good in 1v1 & smaller scale fights - do let me know

I'm not saying my build does large scale zerg tanking better than Blazing Shieldplar - but it's still pretty damn tanky and one of the best builds in the duel scene capable of competing with even the best stam DKs & magicka Sorcs.

This has lead me to the realization that magicka templar isn't as weak as some people like to claim/think.

I'm done. Your claim to be able tank "any" amount of players with sweeps has convinced me that any further responses to you on this are waste of time.

I'm more surprised those players let him tank with sweeps lol.

You can't interrupt sweeps & templars have access to a gap closer & purifying ritual. How are you going to stop the sweeps?

Smart players of course split up & spam roots at you while positioning behind the sweeps, but you can't really expect to beat multiple good players in PvP - not with any build.

I think any decent Templar has probably had moments when they got a group in a tight space and felt invincible as they wrecked multiple people but more often then not when trying to tank enemy players with sweeps you'll get a couple of sweeps in then get stunned, feared or knocked down and be dead before you can break out.
And situations where PVP players let you "tank" them with sweeps are few and far between as you basically have to get at least three, if not more, people to constantly stay in the cone of damage to do enough healing to offset the massive damage you're going to take from them focusing on you. Sure sweeps can't be interrupted by bashing but any hard CC is followed by nearly instant death when you're standing toe to toe with five enemy players.
By the way are you taking about the gap closer that hasn't worked right ever?

You seem to be playing a build with less mitigation & impenetrable then. Between the duration of CC & CC break, I usually lose maybe 20-30% of health pool thanks to high resistances and decent health pool (27k).

After that, you basicly block for a second if you're at low health & Honor the Dead back up to full health, or simply start sweeping if you know you won't be bursted down. If Malubeth procs during the CC, I don't usually even have to CC break if I want to conserve stamina.

The whole point of my build is to not get "massive damage" thanks to those resistances (and proper CP allocation) and so far it has worked without much to complain about.

I've also very rarely had problems with the gap closer (it does bug out from time to time, but I think people have exaggerated it quite a bit).


You don't have to believe a word I say, but I do have video evidence proving every word I say - just saying.

If templars were actually weak & worse than other classes/builds, I'd probably be here complaining with the rest of you.


To be clear: I think where most magicka templars fail is that they don't really optimize their build to do what they'd like to do. If you're built for sustain (cost reduction enchants, seducer set - maybe even light armor instead of heavy with impen) rather than maximizing mitigation & damage/healing output, and choosing group morphs (BoL instead of Honor the Dead etc) then of course you're going to have trouble trying to 1vX or 1v1.

I'm just saying this because a lot of templars I've talked to are making these mistakes. You might or might not be one of them, I'm not going to guess.

No. Just no. I'll buy the sweeps by tanking argument because that's something I do every night I play my templar. I'll even by the whole "hold off 5 [BAD] players" in an open field because I've seen @vortexman11 hold off more on his DK.

But the charge skill failing to function is a frequent occurrence that is part and parcel to every extended templar fight. A lot of whiners on these forums wonder why templar Jesus Beam them at 100% health. I'll answer that: because my charge skill failed to execute 4 times and I'm too aggravated to use anything but a skill I know will actually work and automatically hit them. It's not because RD is OP, it is because I'm about to throw my computer out the window because of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_a9gKVP3UE

I know that feeling, although usually it means I'm either using my bow on them, or sprinting up to them/popping a potion to get there. The Templar Charge is really unreliable and frustrating to use. I definitely think this point needs being said. IT does seem like some players get more mileage out of this skill than others, and I often wonder if that is a client-side problem or not.

It fails all the time for me and I'm on a PS4, wired connection with 160Mb down/40Mb up so it's not client side for me.