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Yet another Maelstrom Weapon drop rate thread

CerseiL
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yes yes I read few of them I am just saying I have been running it 3 times a day nearly for 2 weeks and nothing! all I want is a flipping Fire staff why did they ever think it was a good idea to put *** armors in last chest. People say not everyone should have master weapons well it's true but very few people can complete nVMA so why do we have to keep grinding it and keep getting disappointed in the end of every run I just want to get my flame staff and never go back there ever again I liked it for firs few runs now it's making me feel sick is there anything at all being done about this
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Yet another VMA drop thread........ GOOD!!! KEEP MAKING THEM. Maybe something will be done about it if enough threads get made. I try to be a positive fanboy about this game, but the loot system is driving me mad. The sad thing is that its about to get worse. They are adding more traits to the loot table next patch which will make it even harder to get what you want. I almost wish they would simply remove armor and weapon traits from the game. At least then the RNG wouldnt be so bad and they playing field would be leveled.

    What they need to do is implement a trait change mechanic at a minimum. Perhaps you can change one trait a week at the PVP vendor for 100k or something. Or give crafters the ability with some sort of rare drop. SOMETHING.

    I have grinded every possible magic DPS set in the game save for the moon dancer jewelry (at least it seems to have a decent drop rate from VMOL and comes in a good trait). It is so frustrating to get what you want but have it in a trait the makes it TOTALLY WORTHLESS TO USE.

    -I have my 5 piece scathing? Oh wait, not better than a crafted set because some of the pieces are well-fitted. TRASH

    -Finally got my 2 Daggers from VMA for my stam build, oh wait, they are defending. WTF??? TRASH.

    -Got my monster helms and shoulders in every weight you could want. But wait, not a good trait in medium or heavy so I am forced to wear crafted armor to run divines. TRASH.

    -6/7 of my recent weekly rewards have been sword and board? Not even going to address the traits because the set itself is TRASH, because its not even a set. Its a mismatched pile of garbage that nobody uses.

    Please do something, ZOS.
  • Suru
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    I've gotten maybe two things I actually wanted in those end chests and gotten 90% of everything else from weekly rewards. Two characters, two gold weapons a week when I do it. It feels like the weekly rewards is where the money is at.

    Next patch your issues are solved somewhat. Guaranteed weapon drop at chest so you wont end up empty handed at least.


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  • CerseiL
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    lol same about scathing after weeks of grinding only have 1 divines piece that I need (except head and shoulders) someone I know said he had done more then 200 runs and has no staff when 1 guys got it on his 3rd run. I mean RNG I get it but 200 runs? I am not prepared to do that many as it seems it's more likely you will win a lottery then find a flame staff there. I hate going to Arena now cause i have some weird bugs like sliding around the place for 15 seconds in 3rd one like I was skiing then 5th 6th 7th? targeting problems I am targeting someone and my character keeps trying to turn around and hit something else slow walk do whatever it's a hell and all cause of the weapon that is not dropping past 3 runs had a ring, helmet and a neck that are totally useless but wait repairs and nerves that I will never get back? No way I will ever make it to weekly with those bugs and lags so only chance is a last chest and it's a joke
  • Dalsinthus
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    Suru wrote: »
    Next patch your issues are solved somewhat. Guaranteed weapon drop at chest so you wont end up empty handed at least.

    I read it was being increase to a 50% weapon drop rate, with the other 50% being a jewelry drop (and that this isn't currently working as claimed on the PTS). Did they increase this to 100% on weapons? I certainly hope so; I am getting really sick of spending all my game time on this arena.

  • CerseiL
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    I see those posts here and ZOS never replies people are pissed off only ones that tell you : Chill it's RNG are the ones who got what they wanted. Not everyone can complete Arena and not everyone can get to leader boards I can do as much and complete it but to what ends? nothing when you open the last chest and dread settle over you that you have to go back there again instead of playing with your friends because times and nerves you invested already forces you to carry on so all this suffering was not in vain
  • kadar
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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    Suru wrote: »
    Next patch your issues are solved somewhat. Guaranteed weapon drop at chest so you wont end up empty handed at least.

    I read it was being increase to a 50% weapon drop rate, with the other 50% being a jewelry drop (and that this isn't currently working as claimed on the PTS). Did they increase this to 100% on weapons? I certainly hope so; I am getting really sick of spending all my game time on this arena.
    I believe the final chest is 100% weapon with 50% chance to drop additional jewelry. I'll go see if I can find the quote...
    Edited by kadar on May 9, 2016 5:08PM
  • f047ys3v3n
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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    Suru wrote: »
    Next patch your issues are solved somewhat. Guaranteed weapon drop at chest so you wont end up empty handed at least.

    I read it was being increase to a 50% weapon drop rate, with the other 50% being a jewelry drop (and that this isn't currently working as claimed on the PTS). Did they increase this to 100% on weapons? I certainly hope so; I am getting really sick of spending all my game time on this arena.

    That is what I heard as well. I refuse to farm with the mean time to acquisition would be more than a month of doing nothing else in game on content that is anitisocial and not particularly fun.
    I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
  • kadar
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    We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

    The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

    The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

    Hope that clears things up!
    We don't need anymore vMA threads. Just need to go back and read the old ones. :D
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Sounds so good in theory, except that they added a lot more things to the loot table. Not sure it will really be any better. My guess is that it will be worse...
  • Ch4mpTW
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    The Maelstrom Arena has made me have a strong hatred for this game, due to the numerous bugs and overall RNG involved with it. While I've completed it on both normal and veteran modes, I honestly can't see myself putting up with its bs over and over again. Not to mention how much it leans toward magicka builds. If all you have is a tank and or healer, you're not completing this dungeon. I'm sorry, but no. It's impossible. It's nothing but a DPS race.

    So, yeah. In my opinion, it's best to just save yourself the frustration and not even be bothered with it. That's what I did after my completion of it, and I've slowly gotten back into enjoying the game. Even though RNG still causes me to take breaks from it, this game has not caused me nearly as much anger as to when I was trying to complete it on veteran.
  • code65536
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    @ZOS_Finn Please take into consideration the expanded--and now diluted--loot table when adjusting vMA weapon drop rates. Increasing the drop chance to 50% doesn't help if there is a larger number of undesirable traits that ultimately make it harder to get the weapon we want.
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    The Maelstrom Arena has made me have a strong hatred for this game, due to the numerous bugs and overall RNG involved with it. While I've completed it on both normal and veteran modes, I honestly can't see myself putting up with its bs over and over again. Not to mention how much it leans toward magicka builds. If all you have is a tank and or healer, you're not completing this dungeon. I'm sorry, but no. It's impossible. It's nothing but a DPS race.

    So, yeah. In my opinion, it's best to just save yourself the frustration and not even be bothered with it. That's what I did after my completion of it, and I've slowly gotten back into enjoying the game. Even though RNG still causes me to take breaks from it, this game has not caused me nearly as much anger as to when I was trying to complete it on veteran.

    I guess the silver lining is that if all you have is a healer and tank, once you complete the arena then you can be done. The Sword and Board is absolute trash for a tank. If it was an actually 2 piece set that was beneficial for tanking, it might be one thing, but its not. It's decon fodder. The Resto staff is nice for a healer, but it's not game changing by any stretch. It helps with regen a little bit. Only a competitive DPS needs the weapons out of hear, and let's be clear, to be competitive, you need VMA weapons. So that I suppose at least makes some sense. Haha
  • CerseiL
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    yes bugs lets start in a third one I start to slide around for 15 seconds like I am skiing and i can not break free or do anything then lets carry on about the problem when my character even though I have targeted something else using tab and am facing that said target still tries to turn around and attack something else which results in me being killed in most cases on the last boss portals dont work sometimes oh and after destroying all 3 crystals he would not drop me back down. Sometimes I am snared, slow walking for no reason at all so yes if people are completing it easily then they are lucky not to get any bugs I am completing it yes I can not complain not many can but I will never get to leader boards with so many bugs affecting my performance
  • f047ys3v3n
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    I guess the silver lining is that if all you have is a healer and tank, once you complete the arena then you can be done. The Sword and Board is absolute trash for a tank. If it was an actually 2 piece set that was beneficial for tanking, it might be one thing, but its not. It's decon fodder. The Resto staff is nice for a healer, but it's not game changing by any stretch. It helps with regen a little bit. Only a competitive DPS needs the weapons out of hear, and let's be clear, to be competitive, you need VMA weapons. So that I suppose at least makes some sense. Haha

    With the spell power weapon enchants in the next patch I think that this will be less so. Right now, with the staff, you get the almost 200 spell power + about 1k dps from the wall of elements heavy / light attack thing. After the enchants you will really only get the 1k buff as the almost 200 spell power won't be much better than the spell power enchant. Sure, VMA weapons will still be BIS but not by the overwhelming amount of deeps they are now.

    I say this not really knowing well the situation with the stam weapons and also realizing that the word on the street is that stam DK's will probably rule the roost by a substantial amount next patch given that some folks dps with them suggests they may already be #1 and are getting a big buff from both the poison thing and a general stam buff. I won't be surprised to see the 25k dps I am now pulling on my mag NB doubled by certain stam DK's. I may have to spend some time on mine especially since crafting bags will have unburdened her inventory.
    I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
  • Spearshard
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    The Maelstrom Arena has made me have a strong hatred for this game, due to the numerous bugs and overall RNG involved with it. While I've completed it on both normal and veteran modes, I honestly can't see myself putting up with its bs over and over again. Not to mention how much it leans toward magicka builds. If all you have is a tank and or healer, you're not completing this dungeon. I'm sorry, but no. It's impossible. It's nothing but a DPS race.

    So, yeah. In my opinion, it's best to just save yourself the frustration and not even be bothered with it. That's what I did after my completion of it, and I've slowly gotten back into enjoying the game. Even though RNG still causes me to take breaks from it, this game has not caused me nearly as much anger as to when I was trying to complete it on veteran.

    Let me first say that I think the itemization for vMA is garbage. I think if you finish it, you should have a weapon waiting in that final chest. Either that or a token, turn it in (or a reasonable number) and bam, weapon of choice. As it stands people devote huge chunks of time to this only to leave bitter and angry, and lose motivation to even log in. However, that being said, vMA was designed as a way to test your adaptability, so a tank and healer who can't adapt and find a way to dps won't succeed. It is a dps race, but it is significantly easier for makes (read sorcs and magblades). Stamina does have a significantly harder time, but it can be done currently, and will be easier with the changes coming in DB.
  • Suru
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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    Suru wrote: »
    Next patch your issues are solved somewhat. Guaranteed weapon drop at chest so you wont end up empty handed at least.

    I read it was being increase to a 50% weapon drop rate, with the other 50% being a jewelry drop (and that this isn't currently working as claimed on the PTS). Did they increase this to 100% on weapons? I certainly hope so; I am getting really sick of spending all my game time on this arena.

    My mistake, but that is a pretty big increase for both jewelry and weapons.


    Suru
  • IamNoobee
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    lol at nearly 2 weeks. atleast it hasnt been 5-6months like some of us :(
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    I guess the silver lining is that if all you have is a healer and tank, once you complete the arena then you can be done. The Sword and Board is absolute trash for a tank. If it was an actually 2 piece set that was beneficial for tanking, it might be one thing, but its not. It's decon fodder. The Resto staff is nice for a healer, but it's not game changing by any stretch. It helps with regen a little bit. Only a competitive DPS needs the weapons out of hear, and let's be clear, to be competitive, you need VMA weapons. So that I suppose at least makes some sense. Haha

    With the spell power weapon enchants in the next patch I think that this will be less so. Right now, with the staff, you get the almost 200 spell power + about 1k dps from the wall of elements heavy / light attack thing. After the enchants you will really only get the 1k buff as the almost 200 spell power won't be much better than the spell power enchant. Sure, VMA weapons will still be BIS but not by the overwhelming amount of deeps they are now.

    I say this not really knowing well the situation with the stam weapons and also realizing that the word on the street is that stam DK's will probably rule the roost by a substantial amount next patch given that some folks dps with them suggests they may already be #1 and are getting a big buff from both the poison thing and a general stam buff. I won't be surprised to see the 25k dps I am now pulling on my mag NB doubled by certain stam DK's. I may have to spend some time on mine especially since crafting bags will have unburdened her inventory.

    It is going to close the gap for sure. Do keep in mind that the 1k buff to light attacks in the tool tip, ends up being a lot more after passives, CP, etc. I easily lose 5k DPS when I go to a non-set crafted staff. It sounds like they are making it so the VMA enchant will no longer transfer between bars, which is sort of a nerf, but most people front bar the staff anyways. The first thing I plan to try is a running a back bar with the new enchant and front barring the VMA staff. That way you get the best of both worlds. I think that combo could out perform swords on a lot of builds, and might be a no brainer for DKs. The only magic build this doesnt apply to is a Templar build. I think the latest and greatest templar builds actually run swords on the front bar and back bar the VMA staff. They will need to rethink things. Elemental Blockade with a VMA staff is too good to pass up for any Magic DPS build at the moment.
  • CerseiL
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    I got defending Ice staff yesterday shall I do a next run with that equipped?
  • InfaM
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    That post deserve to be a sticky and ZOS need to read it every *** day until they realise that the stupid RNG in maelstrom arena is non sense, the loot table is so big that it's just about being lucky, you can farm it 100 times and still hope "to be lucky" , what's the point ? Are we supposed to farm luck instead of vma ? is it even possible to farm luck ?
    If that's your logic then introduce some potion of luck... and make the materials a random drop from VMA last chest.

    You remove veteran rank because it's too grindy and yet you let the RNG on such big loot table in maelstrom arena.
    And the only update you're planning to do is to share the last chest with 50% maelstrom weapon/50% jewelry... What is it supposed to change when it comes to maelstorm weapons farming ? Nothing...

    So you worry about lazy people saying that jewelry is hard to get ? I say lazy because if you really farm vma you'll have a full set of each jewelry and armor there in a few runs. And when the majority of vma farmers are saying that the rng on such big loot table is killing the maelstrom weapons drop rate you answer with a 50/50 ratio in last chest...

    At some point your team have to start working on something that players are requesting and stop wasting time on *** like creating new guar colors on crown store.

    There's a tons of good alternative to the current vma rng system that community thought about already (tokens, traits reforge, 100% drop rate on last chest, exchange (X) undesired vma weapons for the desired one...etc) , so if your team is too lazy to think about vma changes the good news is that community already did the works, all you have to do is read and select the best solution.
    Edited by InfaM on May 10, 2016 10:19AM
  • Meshal
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    *** zos and their *** loot system, im too tired of doing this crap and absolutely no weapons at all. I'm only doing it for the *** fire staff and all i get is *** weapons and armor
    Edited by Meshal on May 10, 2016 10:33AM
  • OrphanHelgen
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    Yet another VMA drop thread........ GOOD!!! KEEP MAKING THEM. Maybe something will be done about it if enough threads get made. I try to be a positive fanboy about this game, but the loot system is driving me mad. The sad thing is that its about to get worse. They are adding more traits to the loot table next patch which will make it even harder to get what you want. I almost wish they would simply remove armor and weapon traits from the game. At least then the RNG wouldnt be so bad and they playing field would be leveled.

    What they need to do is implement a trait change mechanic at a minimum. Perhaps you can change one trait a week at the PVP vendor for 100k or something. Or give crafters the ability with some sort of rare drop. SOMETHING.

    I have grinded every possible magic DPS set in the game save for the moon dancer jewelry (at least it seems to have a decent drop rate from VMOL and comes in a good trait). It is so frustrating to get what you want but have it in a trait the makes it TOTALLY WORTHLESS TO USE.

    -I have my 5 piece scathing? Oh wait, not better than a crafted set because some of the pieces are well-fitted. TRASH

    -Finally got my 2 Daggers from VMA for my stam build, oh wait, they are defending. WTF??? TRASH.

    -Got my monster helms and shoulders in every weight you could want. But wait, not a good trait in medium or heavy so I am forced to wear crafted armor to run divines. TRASH.

    -6/7 of my recent weekly rewards have been sword and board? Not even going to address the traits because the set itself is TRASH, because its not even a set. Its a mismatched pile of garbage that nobody uses.

    Please do something, ZOS.

    same here.. I have 3 leaderboards a week and I only get sword and board in maelstrom.

    I seriously think I have gotten with chest and mail, 30 swords maybe.
    I have like 10 bows and staffs.
    Guess what the only weapon I wanted is, its dagger.
    I have one only and its defending.
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  • Shader_Shibes
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    Yesterday was perfect for me. Leaderboard run i got sharpened axe, and leaderboard reward got a sharpened dagger. Already had my sharpened bow. My stam dk can't wait for DB!

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    Edited by Shader_Shibes on May 10, 2016 11:15AM
  • InfaM
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    Maelstrom weapons should be a reward and not a *** gift , atm it's a gift.
  • CerseiL
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    I don't know why they never reply to this posts I think they think we are just crying babies cause we did not get what we wanted I don'tr think they realize how time consuming and annoying it is to farm Arena. Got a ring again wohoo
  • mistermutiny89
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    I don't care about the drop rates, I just want to be able to complete the damn thing!!

    I spent 6 hours the other night stuck on the fifth boss of which double and triple stuns you as you are feared away in the ice water. She is the most vicious boss I've ever faced.. And I'm a freaking Dark Souls player.
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  • CerseiL
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    I think I gave up it makes me sick doing it I really don;t know how can someone do 200 + runs I lost all the fun of game I don't think I will go back there it really made me dislike the game I am actually thinking not to play any more Maelstorm is really a joke I am tired of dealing with all the bugs and getting nothing in the end I was there again now got to phase 5 where most of my troubles get me killed as my character keeps trying to turn around and attack something else that I am targeting and I thought I don;t wanna go back there and I quit now I am away form every social stuff since I was playing alone for weeks and I don't feel like playing at all any more this game. Waste of time and so much stress for nothing I don;t know how they thought it would be a good idea for people to run it for 500 times only people seem to be getting weapons are mostly people from leaderboards so people who complete it anyway get big fat 0
  • MaxwellC
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    I don't know how you guys keep running it more than once a week with all the FPS drop slide shows currently in vMSA. It's pretty much the new mechanic to vMSA now (the lag).
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  • Preyfar
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    I don't care about the drop rates, I just want to be able to complete the damn thing!!

    I spent 6 hours the other night stuck on the fifth boss of which double and triple stuns you as you are feared away in the ice water. She is the most vicious boss I've ever faced.. And I'm a freaking Dark Souls player.
    Dark Souls, you say? =D Gotta treat her like Havel the Rock. Get behind her, and keep strafing. When the adds spawn focused on the ranged first, and do everything you can to take them out quickly, then get back on her and stay behind her. If you stay behind her the chances of getting feared are reduced, and you should be using tripots to make sure you can pop one if your stam gets low and you can't break free.

    If you're a Templar you can use something like shards and drop them on the ranged ones to stun them before they get close to you, and just keep on the boss, and keep spamming those shards. Any other class, use a knock down or ranged stun if you have one available. The ranged guys make the fight hard, but otherwise, if you can stay behind her, you can win.
    Edited by Preyfar on May 10, 2016 1:14PM
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