Stamina Sorcerer Feedback Thread: Patch 2.4.3 Update - Crit surge now affected by Battle Spirit

Hridhbjarn · May 2016

Ajax_22 wrote: »

@pjwb16_ESO If you are going to argue against Stamina Sorcerers due to lore then you better know what you are talking about. Sorcerers in Elder Scrolls lore are not robe wearing spell casters.

In game class description from Oblivion:
Besting the most well-equipped fighters, Sorcerers rely on the spells of the mystic arts. Unique to these mages is the bodily stamina to be armed with the thickest armor. Sorcerers also possess the unique ability to absorb magicka from spells targeted at them, serving in essence as magical "batteries", and possess more magicka than any other mage class.

Sorcerers are adept at the use of a wide variety of weapons and armor, but typically do not utilize shields, preferring to keep their hands free for defensive spellcasting instead, their specialty.

In game class description from Morrowind:
"Though spellcasters by vocation, sorcerers rely most on summonings and enchantments. They are greedy for magic scrolls, rings, armor and weapons, and commanding undead and Daedric servants gratifies their egos."

I would argue that devs are already aware of this lore-specificity (luckily are they not as ignorant as the one you quoted!), seeing as in the later Pact zones, Eastmarch esp., most quest NPC you fight are "barbarian"-like with a Stam Sorcerer twist, charging at you with 2handers that they enhance with a Surge-like looking ability, like for exemple the "evil" Nord king in Eastmach "main zone quest" and a lot of his minions, all going Thor-style with 2handers & Thunder!

PS : personal wish : add +thunder/wind dmg passive to Nords, they deserve it ^^.

Hridhbjarn, proud Nord Stamina Sorcerer since day -3

SturgeHammer · May 2016

Hridhbjarn wrote: »

"barbarian"-like with a Stam Sorcerer twist, charging at you with 2handers that they enhance with a Surge-like looking ability, like for exemple the "evil" Nord king in Eastmach "main zone quest" and a lot of his minions, all going Thor-style with 2handers & Thunder!

Not gonna lie, I've always been a little jealous of the of the ability that some of the bosses have where they slam their 2 hand weapon on the ground, releasing a cone of lightning.

Edit: I would be willing to compromise with the new wind theme here. Instead of lightning make it a gust of wind.

Khaos_Bane · May 2016

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually do not think there should be any available Stamina Sorcerer Class. Sorcerers as the name implies are using sorcery to achieve their goals. They do not take a large two-handed sword and smash stuff with pure brutality, they use finesse and magical skills to do it. Therefore Stamina Sorcerers would largely break the immersion @Wrobel

If you really want to have a Sorcerer Class which uses Stamina as their main pool instead magicka, I would say that the animations of the stamina skills should keep the flair of magic. Take for example Magicka Skills and just make morphs available that use stamina e.g. a stamina morph of force pulse for a staff or at least make it like you are able to summon a melee weapon and then use stamina as a ressource for this summoned weapons skill. This would require a new weapon skill line "summoned weapon" or something similar. Maybe put it in the Sorcerers class tree or in the weapon trees but do not just make a sorcerer just another melee berseker without any individuality.

Please consider what it would do with the immersion and lore of the game.

You clearly know nothing of the Elder Scrolls series then. I suggest you find another game to play.

Ajax_22 · May 2016

Wrobel wrote: »

Some great feedback in here. We're looking at addressing the following issues:
Lack of Sorcerer passives that are effective with stamina builds

Critical Surge doesn't proc with Flurry or DoT based builds

Stamina sorcerer doesn't feel unique from other stamina classes

Changing Crit Surge to proc with DoTs is great. This coupled with Silver Leash now being a gap closer opens up two skill lines for use. However, as long as shields can't be crit, and running 7 Impen is best in slot then Crit Surge can not be answer for PvP. There are more hard counters to Crit Surge now then there are to Cloak.

Crit Surge
- Conjured Ward
- Steadfast Ward
- Annulment
- Bone Shield
- Barrier
- Reinforced CP passive

Cloak
- Mage Light
- Expert Hunter
- Revealing Flare
- Detection Potions

The uniqueness we want is our mobility. The Streak nerf hit us much harder than it did Magic Sorcs, and Hurricane having no Expedition buff nearly removes it altogether.

Another thing I really want is a class spammable that does something different. When I'm creating my build I want to take some serious consideration into what I will use as my spammable DPS skill, because Uppercut, Flurry, and a class skill are all equally good but different. Surprise Attack, and Biting Jabs verses Uppercut is a great example of this currently in game.

Ahzek · May 2016

Something most of you dont seem to realize is that crit surge actually works off shields.
It has done so for quite some time, but only recently it has been fixed to actually heal at a reasonable level.
Whenever you attack a shielded target there is a chance = your crit chance to heal off 60% of the damage done to the shield (sneak attacks and crit charge heal 100% of the time).

The biggest counter to crit surge is not shields anymore, but block. A blocking DK can simply wear a stam sorc down without giving any window of catching back up via crit surge healing simply due to the Dk blocking all the big hits.

IF we get surge to be able to heal off DoTs that counter will get its own counter ( stacking DoTs, which are unblockable) and can lead to interesting dynamics in fights. This change alone would go a long way to make stam sorcs a competetive PvP class.

Justice31st · May 2016

Wrobel wrote: »

Some great feedback in here. We're looking at addressing the following issues:
Lack of Sorcerer passives that are effective with stamina builds

Critical Surge doesn't proc with Flurry or DoT based builds

Stamina sorcerer doesn't feel unique from other stamina classes

Funny how this isn't even the official class feedback thread and Eric Wrobel stopped by to respond for sorcerers. Hey Eric how about you respond to the Templar thread for a change?

UnyieldingFlame · May 2016

Justice31st wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Some great feedback in here. We're looking at addressing the following issues:
Lack of Sorcerer passives that are effective with stamina builds

Critical Surge doesn't proc with Flurry or DoT based builds

Stamina sorcerer doesn't feel unique from other stamina classes

Funny how this isn't even the official class feedback thread and Eric Wrobel stopped by to respond for sorcerers. Hey Eric how about you respond to the Templar thread for a change?

Honestly don't know why you complain so much about other classes when all you do is zerg on PS4 and when you are alone, you instantly squeal like a pig for help from your fellow zerglings and still get 1vX. Just another terrible player with a L2P issue and doesn't know how to adapt. So do yourself a favor and stop zerging the entire map and then you may once and for all get better at the game.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2016

@Wrobel I really appreciate the comment and the fact that you read through the thread. I look forward to seeing the improvements live on the PTS soon!

This thread has exceeded my expectations when I created it.

Thank you to all the people that helped and contributed by locating and re-typing all of the stamina sorc suggestions that we, the true stamina sorc believers have been talking about for years.
Thank you to everyone who's @name I linked for showing up and helping get this thread off the ground as well as keeping the thread on track.
Thank you to the people that said kind words and offered encouragement even though they were prevented from actually commenting on the thread. *cough* @Dracane *cough* May you find your missing 10 Magicka in Valhalla.

Now that we have a "Z" badge next to our name, this thread is going to get a lot more attention. We've had almost two more pages since Eric's comment this morning. You can help this PTS thread stay useful to the development team and on topic by not arguing with people that come here to derail the thread and troll by making the following types of post.

Stamina sorcs shouldn't exist because (blah blah lore) and they break my immerzunz.
Stamina Sorcs are fine, ZOS should pay more attention to (what ever class the poster's main happens to be).

Don't feed the trolls, just ignore, move on and keep posting those great suggestions. The PTS forums are a tool for the devs, not place to argue about lore. If I see any unique and novel ideas or suggestions that haven't been mentioned before I will add them to the list at the front of the thread so they don't get buried.

Let's keep the momentum going! STAM SORC HYPE!! Rock you like a Hurricannnnnnnnnnnee!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd9FYO9Rh4
Sorry couldn't help it. I'll see myself out now...

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2016

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Hridhbjarn wrote: »

"barbarian"-like with a Stam Sorcerer twist, charging at you with 2handers that they enhance with a Surge-like looking ability, like for exemple the "evil" Nord king in Eastmach "main zone quest" and a lot of his minions, all going Thor-style with 2handers & Thunder!

Not gonna lie, I've always been a little jealous of the of the ability that some of the bosses have where they slam their 2 hand weapon on the ground, releasing a cone of lightning.

Edit: I would be willing to compromise with the new wind theme here. Instead of lightning make it a gust of wind.

I really like this idea. It would also make it easier for the devs if they could just copy the animations from an NPC attack. But you are right, some of the 2H thunder/lighting NPC abilities do look sweet!

Khaos_Bane · May 2016

Justice31st wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Some great feedback in here. We're looking at addressing the following issues:
Lack of Sorcerer passives that are effective with stamina builds

Critical Surge doesn't proc with Flurry or DoT based builds

Stamina sorcerer doesn't feel unique from other stamina classes

Funny how this isn't even the official class feedback thread and Eric Wrobel stopped by to respond for sorcerers. Hey Eric how about you respond to the Templar thread for a change?

Relax. We are happy to hear that the STA sorc abilities are being looked at no matter what thread it's in. Go back to your house please, LOL. Sorry I couldn't help myself.

And yes, wind damage as physical.

Emma_Overload · May 2016

What I like best about Hurricane is that it opens the door to a lot of other possibilities for wind themed stamina morphs. How about a stamina version of Streak called Gust or Breeze or something like that? Casting this skill would send you wooshing through the air, leaving swirling clouds of dust in your wake like the Road Runner:

Justice31st · May 2016

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Some great feedback in here. We're looking at addressing the following issues:
Lack of Sorcerer passives that are effective with stamina builds

Critical Surge doesn't proc with Flurry or DoT based builds

Stamina sorcerer doesn't feel unique from other stamina classes

Funny how this isn't even the official class feedback thread and Eric Wrobel stopped by to respond for sorcerers. Hey Eric how about you respond to the Templar thread for a change?

Honestly don't know why you complain so much about other classes when all you do is zerg on PS4 and when you are alone, you instantly squeal like a pig for help from your fellow zerglings and still get 1vX. Just another terrible player with a L2P issue and doesn't know how to adapt. So do yourself a favor and stop zerging the entire map and then you may once and for all get better at the game.

Lol who are you? And I Zerg? I am Daggerfall, not Ebonheart Pact. I am in Scourge atm; come back up your words with a 1v1. Bring your OP sorc, and I will use my templar. *disclaimer* I will edit this post and post the video afterwards for everyone to see.

Edit: Ignored for talking smack and refusing to 1v1 to back it up.

iam117 · May 2016

Force Majeure (replace Daedric Prey):
Curse an enemy with a Majeure Tempest, dealing [x] Physical Damage to the target enemy after 4.5 (or adjust as needed) seconds and [y] Physical Damage to any enemies nearby. Damage from Tempest causes [x] seconds of (insert some kind of cc).
Using Force Majeure gives [x] Stamina back (this effect can only happen every [x] seconds)
You can have only one curse active at any given time.

then adjust velocios to give [x] magicka back etc. or even make it [x] stam/mag regen for however many seconds.

to continue with the theme you could change "summon charged atronach" to "summon bellowing atronach" and have it throw cyclones or something similar that deal physical damage along with its own hurricane for the aoe:

Summon a bellowing atronach at the target location. The atronach’s arrival deals [x] Physical Damage and disorients nearby enemies for 3 seconds. The atronach cannot move but attacks the nearest enemy with targeted and area attacks.
An ally can activate Eye of the Hurricane, giving both the ally and the atronach Major Berserk, increasing their damage by 25% for [x] seconds.
Has a powerful area effect attack.

just some thoughts @Yolokin_Swagonborn

Ragnaroek93 · May 2016

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually do not think there should be any available Stamina Sorcerer Class. Sorcerers as the name implies are using sorcery to achieve their goals. They do not take a large two-handed sword and smash stuff with pure brutality, they use finesse and magical skills to do it. Therefore Stamina Sorcerers would largely break the immersion @Wrobel

If you really want to have a Sorcerer Class which uses Stamina as their main pool instead magicka, I would say that the animations of the stamina skills should keep the flair of magic. Take for example Magicka Skills and just make morphs available that use stamina e.g. a stamina morph of force pulse for a staff or at least make it like you are able to summon a melee weapon and then use stamina as a ressource for this summoned weapons skill. This would require a new weapon skill line "summoned weapon" or something similar. Maybe put it in the Sorcerers class tree or in the weapon trees but do not just make a sorcerer just another melee berseker without any individuality.

Please consider what it would do with the immersion and lore of the game.

Come on, this is just intolerant. If you don't like to play a stamina Sorcer it's fine, nobody forces you to play one, but give the people a chance who really like to play one.
Also not every race is good for Manasorc. A fully stam based race might also prefer going stamina on Sorcerer than Magicka.

Tormjolnir · May 2016

So awesome to get a Z response! Thank you Wrobel! We matter folks, we really matter!

I really, really prefer lightning

I mean think about all the pass wind/fart jokes that will come out of a wind theme! We have a hard enough time maintaining any sense of serious identity here folks! A wind theme is going to make it worse

If we can't have lightning for CP and balance issues how about giving us thunder based powers instead of wind? Thunder is more awesomer than wind...just saying

Cheers,
Torunnson (Jeremy)

Hridhbjarn · May 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Hridhbjarn wrote: »

"barbarian"-like with a Stam Sorcerer twist, charging at you with 2handers that they enhance with a Surge-like looking ability, like for exemple the "evil" Nord king in Eastmach "main zone quest" and a lot of his minions, all going Thor-style with 2handers & Thunder!

Not gonna lie, I've always been a little jealous of the of the ability that some of the bosses have where they slam their 2 hand weapon on the ground, releasing a cone of lightning.

Edit: I would be willing to compromise with the new wind theme here. Instead of lightning make it a gust of wind.

I really like this idea. It would also make it easier for the devs if they could just copy the animations from an NPC attack. But you are right, some of the 2H thunder/lighting NPC abilities do look sweet!

This thread, its suggestions, and its acknowledgement by the devs are giving me back hope in ESO. And the will to splatter the guts of my enemies with my war-axe chaneling the power of the lightning and of the tempest!

Birdovic · May 2016

How about a stamina version of Streak called Gust or Breeze or something like that? Casting this skill would send you wooshing through the air, leaving swirling clouds of dust in your wake like the Road Runner:

@Emma_Eunjung

Meep Meep!

Great idea!

Maybe causing knockback on every hit' enemy and grant major expedition for 3sec afterwards?

I think the following abilities are the best candidates for changes tho:

Bound Armaments:
- Gives some passive boosts only, and takes away Utility with 2 lost Ability Slots
-> Should work like magelight and have a active ability, like a instant cast Dmg, a heal, a buff, etc.

Critical Surge:
- A great Ability, but lacks reliability, granting heals based on critical hits which themselves are pretty weak due to CP and traits, and doesn't even proc on DoTs (hopefully soon!)

Hurricane:
- interesting ability, but deals underwhelming low damage, and lacks the so much needed utility, in form of major expedition or at least minor expedition, and costs stamina.
- Thundering Presence which costs Magicka and grants Major Expedition + Major Resolve + Major Ward is too good to give up for hurricane at the moment

Summon Atronach Ultimate:
- Good Ulti, however 1 Storm Atronach is enough and the current 2 Morphs should be combined into 1
- The left Morph should instead be a Air Atronach, dealing Physical Damage and not be stationary, but chase Enemies, just like the Clannbann/Matriarch/Daedroth/Spiders/Morkuldin Sword

Lightning Flood:
- Not even used by Magicka Sorc

Chrystal Blast:
- Almost never used effectively in any scenario, not even by Magicka Sorc

Rune Cage:
- Not even used by Magicka Sorc

Restraining Prison:
- Almost never used effectively due to high cost and unreliability, not even used by Magicka Sorc

Shattering Prison:
- Barely used effectively due to high cost, low damage and unreliability, not even used by Magicka Sorc

Passive Change Ideas:

- Energized: Increases your Shock Damage by 3%/5% and grants physical Attacks a 10%/20% Chance to deal 280 Shock Damage
--> Physical Attacks can now proc Disintegrate (can also use Physical Light/Heavy attracks as alternative instead)

- Disintegrate: Gives all Shock Spells a Chance of 8% to instantly disintegrate Targets below 15% Health, dealing X Shock Damage
--> Better chance for disintegrate

- Blood Magic: "Using a Dark Magic Ability heals you for 6%/ 12% Max Health"
--> Increased healing; works with all Dark Magic Abilities now, at the same time increasing per use heal of Dark Exchange + Morphs, too.

Rastoric · May 2016

@Emma_Eunjung

I think the following abilities are the best candidates for changes tho:

Chrystal Blast:
- Almost never used effectively in any scenario, not even by Magicka Sorc

Please leave Crystal Blast alone. Magicka Sorcs don't have another spell like it to use in it's place. I tried Fragments, but waiting for it to proc didn't fit my style, which is mostly Ranged Aoe Magic DPS

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2016

monsterblitz wrote: »

@Emma_Eunjung

I think the following abilities are the best candidates for changes tho:

Chrystal Blast:
- Almost never used effectively in any scenario, not even by Magicka Sorc

Please leave Crystal Blast alone. Magicka Sorcs don't have another spell like it to use in it's place. I tried Fragments, but waiting for it to proc didn't fit my style, which is mostly Ranged Aoe Magic DPS

This is why I think Bound Armaments is the best donor skill for direct stamina damage. Whether you make a stam frag, a stam curse, a stam mages fury, or even a stam streak, there's always going to be someone claiming to be using that particular morph you think no one uses.

I actually prefer that Hurricane was a replacement for the "Lightning Flood" morph of Lightning Splash since everyone uses the liquid lighting morph for the extended duration. That way you could use hurricane (Stam DPS) and boundless storm (magicka dump utility) together and stack major and minor speed. Problem solved! But I'm sure there is at least one person that uses the "lightning flood" morph even though it's inferior in PvE to the longer lasting Liquid lightning and completely useless in PvP.

Here's why Bound Armaments is the best candidate for stam DPS:

Bound Armaments already costs stam so there is no loss of sorcerer magicka skills. There is already a precedent for turning toggles into active abilities that grant effects while slotted (i.e. magelight) but also have an active effect when pressed.
Removing the toggle from BA and granting the 8% stam and minor armor (while slotted) would fix the Daedric protection Passive because it would allow you to slot BA on your DPS bar for increased stamina. No more taking up two slots.
Bound Armaments implies a weapon and summoning a weapon to use fits the sorcerer lore and daedric summoning skill line perfectly.

There are two ways I can think of to change Bound Armaments into a stamina friendly active skill:

OPTION ONE: The simple, effective way:
Bound Armaments

This ability is no longer a toggle and now grants 8% maximum stamina and minor resolve while slotted. The armor effect animation has been removed completely.
When activated, this ability summons a Daedric weapon and performs a single target attack hitting an enemy for X physical damage costing Y stamina.

Simple and effective. Think of how silver bolts summons a crossbow, fires, then it disappears. But sorc's aren't simple and effective. So here's the complicated version.

OPTION TWO: The convoluted, hard to use but very lore appropriate and IMMERZUNZ preserving way that would look cool but be a PITA to use in combat:
Bound Armaments

This ability is no longer a toggle and now grants 8% maximum stamina and minor resolve while slotted. The armor effect animation has been removed completely.
This ability now costs MAGICKA. When activated, Bound armaments consumes X magicka and summons a Daedric weapon. While summoned, activating the ability again performs an attack dealing X physican damage and costs Y stamina (costs magicka to summon, stamina to use).

My issues with the second option is that it would take too long to summon the weapon in pvp and it might conflict with the use of other weapon skills like overload does when activated. I wouldn't want to have to hold down to unsummon just to use another weapon ability like an execute. So I prefer option one but I can see some lore bears that don't care about PvP liking option two because it cost magicka to summon the bound weapon and then stamina to swing it.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

Wrobel wrote: »

Some great feedback in here. We're looking at addressing the following issues:
Lack of Sorcerer passives that are effective with stamina builds

Critical Surge doesn't proc with Flurry or DoT based builds

Stamina sorcerer doesn't feel unique from other stamina classes

please please please, in attempting to correct this issues, do not throw the mag sorc further down the hole

GreatWhite000 · May 2016

With a response from Wrobel himself in this thread I actually have my hopes up. I had deleted my stam sorc but if they make improvements I'll definitely be levelling it back up again because I really loved it, it just lacked power and DPS.

SublimeSparo · May 2016

Tormjolnir wrote: »

Howdy folks

First off and I am probably in the minority here but I really dislike the new wind aesthetic for Stam Sorcs. I made a Stam Sorc to be a lightning-based melee warrior. So please , in the name of Thor, revert back to the name Thundering Pressence and give me back my lightning.

Secondly I am tired of suggesting the same things over and over. Every Stam Sorc thread asks for a spamable dps skill (Please no frags stam. I really hate the Fishing for Frags random playstyle), and some other forms of stam morphs along with some better synergy with class passives, and fixes to our damage ie normalizing things to physical damage where applicable including our ultimates. We all keep asking and ZOS while reading doesn't seem overly interested in going down this road.

So as a new off the wall suggestion how about introducing some crafted sets of gear (or drops although I would prefer the ability to craft them ) that offer Stam Sorcs what we are after? There are already sets out there that add elemental type damage bonuses like Skoria or Ashen Grip. Why not make a lightning based set that provides benefits to Stam Sorcs? Off the top of my head....

Set of the Thunderwalker
2 piece bonus - x Stam
3 piece bonus - x Weapon Damage
4 piece bonus - x Stam Recovery
5 piece bonus - While Thundering Presence is active light and heavy attacks store up lightning energy. Activating Thundering Presence again sends out a lightning discharge doing x damage to all enemies in the area

or

Set of the Surge Master
2 piece bonus - x Stam
3 piece bonus - x Weapon Damage
4 piece bonus - x Weapon Crit
5 piece bonus - Activating Critical Surge in addition to its base effects also embues your weapons with lightning energy allowing your light and heavy attacks to do 25% more damage
or maybe this 5 piece bonus reverses the damage allocation of Rapid Strikes, making the first hit the most powerful one?

I mean I would rather ZOS fix the balance in the class itself but it seems like they like to use sets to deal with balancing so why not take that a step further?

A couple of things I see for DB that I see as good include the new Silver Leash gap closer and some of the improvements to weapon skill lines and other fighters guild skills.

Cheers,
Jeremy (Torunnson)

Shock master set?
Seems like it was made for stam sorc- medium armour 2x weapon crit, weapon damage, and lightning damage added to basic attacks.
Just needs a tweak to the 5th passive to not require full charged heavy after a light, either 2 light attacks and longer duration or high%chance on damage taken/ lightbattacks or something

hrothbern · May 2016

Ahzek wrote: »

Something most of you dont seem to realize is that crit surge actually works off shields.
It has done so for quite some time, but only recently it has been fixed to actually heal at a reasonable level.
Whenever you attack a shielded target there is a chance = your crit chance to heal off 60% of the damage done to the shield (sneak attacks and crit charge heal 100% of the time).

The biggest counter to crit surge is not shields anymore, but block. A blocking DK can simply wear a stam sorc down without giving any window of catching back up via crit surge healing simply due to the Dk blocking all the big hits.

IF we get surge to be able to heal off DoTs that counter will get its own counter ( stacking DoTs, which are unblockable) and can lead to interesting dynamics in fights. This change alone would go a long way to make stam sorcs a competetive PvP class.

That's insightful @Ahzek
So you get your crit equivalent of crit surge heal of the damage you do on a Damage Shield !!!

You say that does not apply on Block.
But according to a post of @Asayre , you can do Crit Damage on somebody blocking.....

Asayre wrote: »

@DDuke you can crit while your target is blocking

I've taken into account base mitigation increasing critical mitigation as well

see post 72 on page 3 in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/262295/nirnhoned-precise-and-sharpened/p3

Perhaps it only applies to physical Attacks ? Perhaps all ? ( @Asayre , can you say something on that?)
Does crit surge apply ? Does that heal ?

Pretty much fundamental info.

One of my 4 new slots is going to be a Stamina HA tanky Battlemage from Wrobels remark alone, but with crit surge functioning all the way.... he could be nice to play as well, perhaps even as role Tank.

DDragon · May 2016

This one really hopes the idea of summoning weapons will be taken into account by developers.

This one would love to see bound armor modified in way, that it has active ability (in addition to toggle one, much like pet summons) that would summon a magic sword for xxx seconds, with a maximum 3 sword summoned at the time and with a chance to proc instant cast when using any stamina-based abilities.

This way we would obtain uniqueness and also got stamina version of crystal frags and increase the lacking in single-target dps.

It should not be hard to impement giving the fact that most of the code is written somewhere and you have to collect it (active ability from pets, procing from crystal fragments and sword summon from morkulini set).

Birdovic · May 2016

Shock master set?
Seems like it was made for stam sorc- medium armour 2x weapon crit, weapon damage, and lightning damage added to basic attacks.
Just needs a tweak to the 5th passive to not require full charged heavy after a light, either 2 light attacks and longer duration or high%chance on damage taken/ lightbattacks or something

@SublimeSparo

The set sounds great right?
But activating is just crap especially when thinking about the Low Damage your attacks get, which aren't even scaling off Stamina important CP like Mighty.

Passive Change(my suggestion):

Energized: Increases your Shock Damage by 3%/5% and grants physical Attacks a 10%/20% Chance to deal 280 Shock Damage
--> Physical Attacks now passively can proc Disintegrate!

With keeping the passive change suggestion I mentioned earlier, in mind, they should change it like:

"After 3 light/2 heavy Attacks(not fully charged) charge your weapon with lighting for 20 seconds. While active, your light attacks cause X additional Physical Damage and Heavy attacks additional X+50% physical damage."

Mettaricana · May 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

I was very happy to see Gina mention stam sorcs getting some love in future PTS!!
I just hope they make BIG changes to things such as passives and tweak some abilities around such as Bound Armaments, Hurricane, Overload, and such.
Looking forward to seeing what these changes are

Swear to god if their idea of stam sorc love is another tweak to thundering faillicaine ill quit as soon as I read patch notes

Sigma957 · May 2016

I actually like the idea of a stamina class of sorc with some abilities that utilize stamina morphs with in the sorc skill line like those that have been suggested plus other skills that enhance some weapons skills, think of it like a battle mage. My khajiit Sorc would love this too

Spearblade · May 2016

While I do like the idea of being a Lightning wielding warrior, it's just not very feasible with Champion Points in Mighty. They would have to raise Lightning Damage procs and damage ticks on stamina abilities far higher than they would on Physical damage.

I think Wind is a good compromise, while still remaining in the "Storm Calling" archetype. Wind is a physical force capable of knocking stuff down and well...major damage.

A hybrid could then go for the 'complete' Storm package, balancing Wind and Lightning abilities.

Side note, I had a thought a bit earlier...do Lightning weapon enchantments proc Disintegrate?

Ahzek · May 2016

Spearblade wrote: »

Side note, I had a thought a bit earlier...do Lightning weapon enchantments proc Disintegrate?

Yes they do.

Glantir · May 2016

They often say they work on StamSorcs.... and then they add the stamina thundering presence.... I belief it just if I saw it black on white

In my opinion the sorc class need a revamp in whole