anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

With all due respect to your personal constraints, if you can afford 267$ in 4 months, you sure can manage to secure 15$ a month, that's not too scary. But... your money, your choice.

I can tell you why I don't sub. As I've written earlier, I don't want to feel obligated to play for a particular number of hours each month to feel I am getting my money's worth. I prefer buying the game rather than renting it. It's a psychological shift to be sure, but it's one that is important to me and good number of other players. Just because you do not feel it does not mean it is not real for us.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

So, how about RENTABLE crafting bag from crown store? Rent-a-bag for x months for 5000 crowns. Set the x so it feels fair to subs and nonsubs.

If they do that then they must offer an option to "rent" or "earn" such a feature in the game. All convenience items in the crown store have an ingame counterpart. It should remain that way.

I don't think there is a "must". Sub craftbag is similar convenience item.

helediron wrote: »

Sub craftbag is similar convenience item.

Agreed. As has been stated and repeated, the Crown Store is for convenience items only. This is why the Crown Store would be a great place to sell the bottomless crafting material bag for a nice sum.

nathan_bri wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

With all due respect to your personal constraints, if you can afford 267$ in 4 months, you sure can manage to secure 15$ a month, that's not too scary. But... your money, your choice.

I can tell you why I don't sub. As I've written earlier, I don't want to feel obligated to play for a particular number of hours each month to feel I am getting my money's worth. I prefer buying the game rather than renting it. It's a psychological shift to be sure, but it's one that is important to me and good number of other players. Just because you do not feel it does not mean it is not real for us.

Oh I understand those reasons perfectly - they're part of the reasons why I don't sub either. I agree wholeheartedly.
My question was aimed at people who spend a lot in the crown store - as per their own posts - but still refuse to sub even though it would be a rather small expense as compared to their crown store expenses - and they'd get the ir money back in form of crowns anyway. If I were to spend a lot in the crown store I would sub.

That said, I think if we choose not to sub (like you, like me...) we should accept that we don't have the crafting bag. And believe me, I could make super good use of this bag... but... that's the choice, and that's it.

Tevalaur wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

Then the 6 months Sub sounds like it could be a great deal for you

Maybe, if my birthday were 6 months away from Christmas... But since they're far closer together, no it's not. And since I've just learned they don't offer an annual subscription, I guess I can never plan to be a regular subscriber.

Enough already with the "just subscribe"... if you've read what I posted you can see that I cannot even if I wanted to. Plus I've already heavily invested in the crown model instead of the subscriber model, so without an ESO lite subscription offer it would not make sense for me even if I could budget it.

You can also buy game time cards and cash them in all at once.

Lots of people did that to get the last loyalty reward right before the B2P conversion. You could have bought a year and a half worth of game time cards with that much money.

Though it wasn't directed to me, I want to clarify I am not saying "just sub", I am presenting options that I think can benefit you.

Tevalaur wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

You can also buy game time cards and cash them in all at once.

I'll admit I'd never considered a game time card, but http://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scrolls-Online-Game-Time-Card/dp/B00J952JLK shows that a 60-day game time card is $45. Seems like a fairly poor deal compared to buying the 5500 crown packs to me.

And does it even work on the PC? Most game cards I'm seeing listed for crowns and such say for console.

There are game cards for pc/mac and for console. The ones for Xbox or PS4 won't work on PC. The 60-days one is usually sold for $30, I don't know why the one you found is so expensive.

nathan_bri wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

With all due respect to your personal constraints, if you can afford 267$ in 4 months, you sure can manage to secure 15$ a month, that's not too scary. But... your money, your choice.

I can tell you why I don't sub. As I've written earlier, I don't want to feel obligated to play for a particular number of hours each month to feel I am getting my money's worth. I prefer buying the game rather than renting it. It's a psychological shift to be sure, but it's one that is important to me and good number of other players. Just because you do not feel it does not mean it is not real for us.

if subbing makes you feel like this, it's a perception problem.

since 1993 i have paid a sub to any mmorpg i have played that offered it, and unless I was raiding and dailies were required for that raid i have NEVER felt REQUIRED to log in.

Hell i let my sub run for this game from launch until well after f2p launch even though i only played the first two months. Do I feel cheated? no. do i feel like i missed out? no.

I have put in hundreds of hours into this game, and those months of subs more than paid for it. compare it to your typical 60 dollar garbage game with 6 hour campaigns.

the more we insist on f2p, the more exploitative game systems will be created in order go milk the hell out of us in the short term while ignoring long term immersion, viability and community building.

hell..does this game even have dailies? i don't think it does technically.

Dixa wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Sorry, I am going to deflate your argument right here.

I am a Master Crafter (on several characters even) and Crafting Bags are not even part of the equation for me right now. Anyone can be a Master Crafter and handle the inventory with the way the game currently is right now. I do, and I have mats for every level in every profession, including Raw Mats.

Nobody needs Crafting Bags to be a Master Crafter or handle the inventory that is required to make anything for any level character at any time.

Nothing is being taken away from non subscribers by offering Crafting Bags to subscribers.

@Nestor and I certainly don't agree on everything ... but this is a great post.

Before players come to the forums claiming "no room anymore", I advise a quick check that the current bank space in the game is being fully utilized:

8 characters with purchased bag upgrades (up to 140 each character) = 1,120
Mount bag space upgrades (8 mounts x 60) = 480
Personal Bank space (with upgrades) = 240

Total: 1,840

Personal Guild Banks (unlimited number of banks) = 500 each; unlimited



If a player doesn't have any personal guild banks, we're still approaching 2,000 inventory slots ... not including the crafting bags.

not only this...

i realized during beta with how everything was account wide that inventory while out in the world was going to be a problem. so i bought a second account.

this account is never played. this is how i use it:

1) mail everything that has filled up my current chars inventory over to that account
2) get on that account once a week. return to sender all email
3) get on my crafter, get all the goodies

net cost - just the initial mail sending fee, cost nothing to return to sender.

i have no need to return to town or buy cash shop vendor/banker thanks to this. i only return to town when my stuff breaks utterly.

This doesn't work for Console players though, we would need to have an Xbox Live subscription (or PS+) on our second account to be able to make that work, and if you're going to be having another subscription then at that point you might was well just subscribe to ESO+.

It could work if you had a trustworthy friend who didn't mind helping you out on a regular basis, but I don't have any real life friends that I play with (they don't have Xbox's) and wouldn't want to impose on any of my acquaintances.

Nestor wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

It could work if you had a trustworthy friend who didn't mind helping you out on a regular basis, but I don't have any real life friends that I play with (they don't have Xbox's) and wouldn't want to impose on any of my acquaintances.

I bounce things off my guild mates all the time. I just make sure they are on line and send them a Whisper first. Oh, wait, you can't do that on the consoles. You guys really need Text Chat.

Either way that's certainly not my first choice, and it's ridiculous that such drastic lengths are required to be gone to in order to manage our inventories effectively, that method and also using Mules are both equally extreme and obnoxious to be forced to utilize and at the very least we are in desperate need of a significant increase in both Inventory and Bank space if ZOS is going to commit to these Crafting Bags being ESO+ exclusives.

I'm not saying I want room for ten stacks of every material in my Bank, but room for at least one stack of every material is the bare minimum that we should have. And I craft on multiple characters, only two so far because they're the only ones leveled but when I level the other two they'll be crafting as well (mainly just for Writs, but also if I run out of Potions or Food/Drink I need to be able to make more without logging out, if I'm in Cyrodiil then logging out and transferring things from a mule would require waiting in the queue again).

As it is I don't craft much with low-level materials so I need less space than if I wanted to horde materials of every level, all I really need is room for one stack of all max-level materials, but I want to be a master crafter who can make anything for anyone and right now trying to be that is far too annoying to maintain and manage for it to be worthwhile.

I'm not sub'd and I think it's fine what they are doing with the crafting bags. The only problem I have at the moment is that I've noticed that new stuff keeps getting introduced into the game. Over time this tends to impact inventory as we are all trying to store what we always have plus new stuff.

If they are going to introduce new items into the game then they should give us some extra slots as part of the base game to allow for that.

Now if I was like OP and crafting/farming was my life, then here's what I would do:

Let's assume I have a lot of gold in game from my farming and crafting. I'm going to drop $15 into a one month sub. I'm going to dump everything I have in inventory into the bags. Then I'm going to farm like a crazy person for a month. And just as the sub runs near it's end, I'm going to spend all of my money on even more crafting supplies so I can dump them in the crafting bags. Then when my sub runs out I'd have a good stockpile built up.

But farming/crafting is not my only gig so I'm just going to leverage the powers of my personal banker, the removal of Vet (which causes me to not care about any vet material except the highest), and my guild bank to manage my supplies.