Thoughst on the PTS Notes from a Farmer and Master Crafter

linlilia

Dear ZOS,

Let me say that I love this game, and that I have been playing for near 5 months. I have bought crowns more than once and own all the current DLCs. I am not an ESO plus member because of life and the fact that I thought that buying crowns was a perfect way to allow people without steady income or means to help participate in the supporting of the game. To be honest it was the main reason that I chose this game over many of the other MMOs out there was that there was no huge advantage to those that did not pay a monthly fee and that you DID NOT HAVE TO pay a monthly fee.

I love the fact that yes EOS plus members get benefits, like extra experience and the DLCs but not an in game huge advantage, nothing that cant be overcome with hard work and or BUYING CROWNS. But with the DB patch to me this has changed. Making me question my continued support of the game through the buying of crowns, because it seems like my support of the game is totally being disrespected. And yes this has to do with the the exclusivity of the Craft Bags, and how I see it affecting everyone that is not an ESO plus member in GAME PLAY.

The craft bags, don't get me wrong, I love the idea. You have created a super dynamic game, and honestly I love crafting and all the different aspects of it. When I read the notes I thought wow, this is a great thing, totally needed with all the different kinds of mats in the game. And then the news that it would be only EOS Plus option hit me like a brick. Yes I understand that you want more people to pay monthly, but to be honest I have spent just as much on crowns already this year as most EOS plus members will spend at all on year. I thought with all the news that you would release a crafting bag option for Crown members. Maybe not as big, or only for specific types of mats like a woodworking one or a provisioning one. And of course I excepted huge fees like those with the merchant and banker apprentices. But nothing at all.

Now here is when it comes into me being a farmer and master crafter. I am not a super farmer by any means, honestly I only do about 3-5 hours a week of pure farming, but I do farm and make a great deal of money in the game off of it. I find it relaxing. But with some of the changes in the game you have dissed farmers and master crafters and given a HUGE advantage to ESO plus members and non crafters. Ones that I am not sure that you understand that you have given.

Lets start with the Craft Bags the easiest to understand:
1. Giving huge amounts of free bag space to people with EOS plus is a huge advantage in time, and of course Bag space. This means that not only do they not need to go to the bank to deposit supplies and take them out. I honestly thought that the craft bag would be attached to the bank and that you would have to go there to use it and take things in and out. So in essence it would be an AWESOME extension to the bank. Accessible when crafting but that would be it. And then I heard that it goes straight to your bag as soon as you pick the items up or relog a zone. Do you truly understand that this means that those with ESO plus can now hold huge numbers of armor sets and weapons at any given time? And that they can pick up at least 10 time the amount of sellable items from mobs in PVE. In all aspects of the game you just made every ESO plus member richer in the game with the feature. Not including the fact that they can save more mats to sell in Guild Traders and more specialty items in forms of weapons motifs and jewelry. One of the toughest things in the game is having a limited amount of space for usable armor and weapon sets. Be a farmer or not. Also a fundamental truth about farming is that you can only farm so long until you have to sell or bank items because you RUN OUT OF ROOM. This single change will make a huge difference I believe in the future of the economy in the game, causing prices to drop and making ESO Plus members the richest in the game.
2. Poisons-Nothing overly wrong with this except for the at least 12 new bag spaces which of course leads to the above mentioned issue that you are now going to need more bag space to carry everything that ESO plus members wont have to deal with.
3. Complete change to Enchanting. Not being able to find Potency runes in the wild and only being able to buy them or decon items now is a huge kick in the gut for master enchanters and Farmers. Yes farming runes is a bit random but it is all part of the game. And those that pick up all of the runes get rewards that help upgrade the equipment and can only be used on certain levels. The complete dislike of this change has been discussed in a different forum and am not overly inclined to repeat that which has been said. But I just don't really understand this change at all. Also with the ability to use lower runes on higher items this makes becoming a Master Enchanter a bit of a waste in Skill points to the last point in Enchanting except for extreme players and the price of the v16 runes are a bit extreme in the markets. Also with the addition of poisons, Glyphs likely will start to take a back space on weapons which is the common v16 gear that most people have. Also a question is if the rate of Kutas dropping from nodes is the same as it is now that means that the price and rarity of Kutas will drop dramatically and therefore cause huge drops in the prices of them on the market.
4. Changes to nodes in DLC zones. This change seem like nothing but pandering to players that don't want to put points into v16 characters. Right now the system rewards players that use 36 skill points into max characters by letting get max mats in DLC zones. Now a v16 character will get to pick those nodes up at a 50% rate, meaning that majority of players will find it more valuable to put the points into passives or skills and still get a large amount of max nodes. Giving huge advantages to those that don't max craft on max characters. This seems like a total gut kick, sorry to keep using that term, this means that those who are farmers are at a huge disadvantage now, because they cant get the nodes that they are setting up for in passives and that those like myself that farms on a v16 character that all my mat collecting will be easily undercut now. People that don't want to put the very precious skill points into crafting passives. Also what about the people that have alts that farm? They now get stuck with mats that they were not aiming for. Along with the now many new skill points I assume that are needed in Alchemy to survive poisons, and all the skill points for the DB and TG DLCs, having a master crafter on max characters seems superfluous and a complete waste of skill points. Unless like me you set up so that one character could do all the crafting and majority of playing. All the research that I have done on this character is now wasted in the amount of skills that I am at a disadvantage unless I too take the skill points out of the crafting passives.

I know that you will not change these things. I know that they are happening. But for all the complaints I think that this update hurts farmers and master crafters the most. Fundamentally making the game less enjoyable and this will totally change the economy in the game. Since crafters and farmers are the ones that sell the mats and supplies the most.

I do like the addition of changes and variety in the game with Alchemy Poisons and some of the other new things coming into the game, but these changes seem highly forced and not wanted except by those that whinge the most in forums. So I hope that I have made a point, and that if whinging and moaning is what gets silly changes made that the community as a whole do not want nor ask for I hope that this helps to see the opposite side. Please note that I am not upset about the fact that you are giving anything to ESO Plus member, I understand that it is a way to increase your revenue, but please understand that you are dissing those that pay for crowns.

Thank you for your time and your commitment to the betterment of the game.
Lin Lilia-V16 Templar

Korah_Eaglecry

Is there a TL;DR?

Aquanova

OP, I read your post and I hate to say this but, everything comes with a price. Yes those of us who have subs have been getting increased xp gains but that perk is almost irrelevant now that VR ranks are removed. There needs to be an incentive to get or remain subscribed.

I've played for 2 years with the limited inventory space and you may have as well, nothing stopping you from getting the crafter bags, you just have to pony up.

Tevalaur

linlilia wrote: »

2. Poisons-Nothing overly wrong with this except for the at least 12 new bag spaces which of course leads to the above mentioned issue that you are now going to need more bag space to carry everything that ESO plus members wont have to deal with.

You forgot the issue that you CAN'T have enough bank space to hold all your crafting mats unless you're ESO+. It's not even a case of just spend more gold to buy more at a certain point that cuts out. I have maxxed bank space, but it won't hold even JUST crafting mats. And I'm not talking multiple stacks, I'm talking about one stack of each material and they don't fit. They need to add more bank space in some form for non-ESO+ people or make the crafting bags available in some form.

P.S. I too have spent more in crowns in the past 6 months than any ESO+ subscription would cost for over a year. Very good point about non-steady income -- or in my case, non-steady medical bills. There needs to be some, perhaps more limited, version of crafting bags or some other means to address bank space issues.

bareheiny

I have no problem with perks for subscribers. Hell, coming from DCUO, I expect it.

While I subscribe* I'll make heavy use of the crafting bags. When I'm not subscribed...well, I'll need to manage my inventory. Much the same way that I do now.

Just my two cents.


* I only subscribe when I need 1,500 Crowns...honestly, I'd subscribe indefinitely, but it seriously irks me that I have to pay $20 NZD for plus AND $10 or so for PSN.

Reevster

I just have to ask, how much would you spend a year in the crown store seeing you don't sub. You don't need to say , its more of a rhetorical question.

Its what , $180 give or take for 12 months to sub.

If you spend close to that or over that then wouldn't it be logical to Sub instead of buying crowns here and there through out the year.

Remember also that your getting 18000 crowns with the sub per year.

Its cost appox $130 to buy 18000 crowns at reg price.

So your Sub ends up only costing $50 a year extra. Thats approx $4.20 a month.... That like 1 or 2 coffees at your fav coffee shop .

I seriously dont know why people don't sub, you get hours and hours of entertainment plus the perks for pennies a day.

Tevalaur

Reevster wrote: »

I just have to ask, how much would you spend a year in the crown store seeing you don't sub. You don't need to say , its more of a rhetorical question.

Its what , $180 give or take for 12 months to sub.

If you spend close to that or over that then wouldn't it be logical to Sub instead of buying crowns here and there through out the year.

Remember also that your getting 18000 crowns with the sub per year.

Its cost appox $130 to buy 18000 crowns at reg price.

So your Sub ends up only costing $50 a year extra. Thats approx $4.20 a month.... That like 1 or 2 coffees at your fav coffee shop .

I seriously dont know why people don't sub, you get hours and hours of entertainment plus the perks for pennies a day.

I've already spent $267 since the mid-December. Granted I only started playing in mid-December, so I've wanted to buy more than I might for quite a while, but I do have a bit of an addiction to buying any/all feline-related mounts/pets/etc and have purchased DLC collectors editions. I also did my final few bank upgrades with crowns and stocked some crowns intending to buy assistants -- ended up skipping them, so now have crowns waiting for the lion

For my budget there is no such thing as "coffees from favorite coffee shop." I spent money from Christmas gifts mostly, and some in months where expenses were low. Being disabled, my income is fixed/low and my bills can be sometimes (randomly) high. So for me a subscription that I might more than afford one month I might not be able to afford in another given month. That's why I prefer the crown model for my lifestyle/pocketbook. Others can prefer their sub model, but to make the sole solution to major issues that really do affect gameplay only available to one of the models is just not right.

GreenGhostMan

I completely understand the logic behind what ZOS is doing with the crafting bags being exclusive to ESO+ subscribers. Should see an increase in subs which creates more predictable revenue. That being said, I am still upset about it as I'm not subbing. One of the main reasons I left WoW and came to ESO was the B2P model. I'm able to save up and spend when I want. Exclusive bags seems like a smart business decision by ZOS (at least for the relative short term) but I'm getting the sense that this is and will enrage a lot of committed non-ESO+ members that have been buying a lot of crowns. Sort of changing their business model. I'm sure they've crunched the numbers, but I'd have to think they will lose some of the non member players. I guess they think the gain in subs will outweigh player loss.

I'd be willing to pay a hefty amount of crowns for the crafting bag.

Abeille

Tevalaur wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

I just have to ask, how much would you spend a year in the crown store seeing you don't sub. You don't need to say , its more of a rhetorical question.

Its what , $180 give or take for 12 months to sub.

If you spend close to that or over that then wouldn't it be logical to Sub instead of buying crowns here and there through out the year.

Remember also that your getting 18000 crowns with the sub per year.

Its cost appox $130 to buy 18000 crowns at reg price.

So your Sub ends up only costing $50 a year extra. Thats approx $4.20 a month.... That like 1 or 2 coffees at your fav coffee shop .

I seriously dont know why people don't sub, you get hours and hours of entertainment plus the perks for pennies a day.

I've already spent $267 since the mid-December. Granted I only started playing in mid-December, so I've wanted to buy more than I might for quite a while, but I do have a bit of an addiction to buying any/all feline-related mounts/pets/etc and have purchased DLC collectors editions. I also did my final few bank upgrades with crowns and stocked some crowns intending to buy assistants -- ended up skipping them, so now have crowns waiting for the lion

For my budget there is no such thing as "coffees from favorite coffee shop." I spent money from Christmas gifts mostly, and some in months where expenses were low. Being disabled, my income is fixed/low and my bills can be sometimes (randomly) high. So for me a subscription that I might more than afford one month I might not be able to afford in another given month. That's why I prefer the crown model for my lifestyle/pocketbook. Others can prefer their sub model, but to make things that really do affect gameplay only available to one of the models is just not right.

Are you on console or pc? If you are on PC, you can subscribe on multiple month plans when you have some money instead of buying a big Crown Pack. You get the Crowns for all the months you subscribe for on the payment act

It is a shame that console only lets people subscribe for one month at a time. I wonder why is that.

Tevalaur

Abeille wrote: »

Are you on console or pc? If you are on PC, you can subscribe on multiple month plans when you have some money instead of buying a big Crown Pack. You get the Crowns for all the months you subscribe for on the payment act

It is a shame that console only lets people subscribe for one month at a time. I wonder why is that.

Actually, I'm on PC. I wish I'd realized what you mentioned earlier as it's a little late now. Still, the point is that these folks that talk about how only subscription folks support the game is b.s.

Subscribers do deserve perks as they pay more per crown for that 1500 crowns per month than the $40 crown pack, but I think the crafting bag perk without either offering non-subscribers a more limited crown version or at the very least enabling more bank upgrades as they keep adding more and more crafting materials is lame.

They need to do something about crafting material management for non-subscribers as well.

NBrookus

OP, buy a subscription instead of crowns next time you have cash. You'll get the crafting bag and can stuff it full. If money is tight when your subscription is up for renewal, you will still be able to remove items from your bag, just not add to it until you resubscribe.

Qyrk

For points 1 & 2:

Stop being a hoarder.

I've maxed all crafts, have all types of runes, alchemy reagent, style and trait materials, each stack of 200 for each provisioning ingredients, and other crafting materials, and CURRENTLY I still have spaces left for seige weapons, 2nd and 3rd sets of equipment and dropped goods to sell.

You don't like it? Then sub, easy as that.

linlilia

You people are missing the point of the post. I don't care that they are giving an advantage to ESO Plus members. I am fine with that. But since I have started playing they are changing their entire business model. I came here because the it was not B2P. I support when I can and I thought that I would be able to do things with buying more than enough Crowns. My personal life is not at this time able to Pay to Play as it is called. And since they have changed their entire model should I get a refund of Crowns so that I can use that money to get the same amount of crowns and ESO Plus? No that is not going to happen.

I believed that when I came into the game that crown buying would be a way to both help the game and help MY BUDGET. But that has completely changed. I can not help that ESO changed their entire business model. And that was not the reason behind the post.

The reason was the changes in all aspects of the game to farmers and and master crafters. Not the haves vs the have nots and I have given plenty of money to game. I love the idea of crafting bags, and I never said don't give them. I merely said it will change the game to a dramatic degree. I agree those that support the game should get benefits. But if there is more than one way to support you should try to appease all those that are benefiting the game with money.

I was merely saying that a lesser option for crowns would be a good idea. And we woudl pay a lot of crowns to get them.

NewBlacksmurf

Agree

Tommy1979AtWar

Zos sold the B2P model to players because subscriptions were dropping and they needed B2P players, one year later after B2P players have dropped hundreds of $$$ into that model they've pulled the rug from under our feet and invalidated ALL of our past purchases and support.

Ultimitely OP I feel your frustration having been duped myself, but all you'll get here is trollish comments from some of the subs (as seen above and most likely to follow below) and multiple thread reports until it's locked.

redspecter23

The crafting bag should be free to ESO subscribers and sold in pieces to non subbed members. Each purchased DLC should also come with a chunk of bag space.

This way, the subscribers get the full bag included at no extra cost. Those that have bought all the DLC's get a jumpstart on it and those that choose not to buy DLC's can buy the bag upgrades starting from scratch.

Everybody wins. ZoS doesn't have to deal with frustrated players that have bought all the DLC and then feel like they have to sub again and essentially throw away the DLC money in order to get these new craft bags. This is an opportunity to sell the bag to non subbed members and MAKE MONEY. I'm not sure why they wouldn't want to do that.

Titansteele

Currently I spend more time than I would like swapping items between bank characters and the bank, I am sure I am not the only person in this position. You see it all the time if you visit the bank near the starter zones. Naked, level 3 characters called "Bank on Me", "Banky Bank Bank" and "My Dad is a Banker"

What this update means is ESO plus members should no longer need to do this.

This is a convenience bonus for ESO+ members, it is not P2W like some people have claimed and nor does it break the game for others. You can still be a master crafter and farmer, hell you can even get more storage space now you can add character slots for crowns.

Sorry OP, life is hard. If you can not afford something you go without. You do not go into your local phone shop and tell them to lower the price of the iPhone 10 because it is out of your price range, or if you do I am sure it doesn't happen for you.

Tommy1979AtWar

@Titansteele "You do not go into your local phone shop and tell them to lower the price of the iPhone 10 because it is out of your price range"

You're correct, you don't, however most people just decide to purchase a different model (aren't iphone stocks dropping atm in the news?).
More to the point though, when a customer feels they've been taken advantage of by a company they usually decide not to purchase anything from that company again, gestures of good will go a long way to winning customers back in cases like that.

Titansteele

@Tommy1979AtWar Agreed

I gave the alternative to ESO+ in my post, bank characters.

Feeling taken advantage of is a persons right but I do not see it as that at all. Perhaps if ZOS took something away from non ESO+ members at the same time as adding something to ESO+ I would agree.

Buffler

What exactly can they take away from ESO+ members?

10% xp...ive got max lvl toons its irrelevant
10% faster researching...im researched out
10% more gold....just wow!

So you want them to remove our dlc content.

If you want the bag that much then subscribe the $15 a month

anitajoneb17_ESO

Tevalaur wrote: »

P.S. I too have spent more in crowns in the past 6 months than any ESO+ subscription would cost for over a year. Very good point about non-steady income -- or in my case, non-steady medical bills.

Invalid.
Since when does subbing require a steady income ?

Ready to spend some money on the game ?
- Go to subscription management page
- Sub for the duration you want
- Pay
You're subbed.
Next day go back to subscription page, cancel your sub. It will not be renewed automatically after the end of your purchased duration.

Easy, isn't it ?

And to ALL who declare that they spend more on crowns than they would have per subscription : you're doing it wrong and you choose the lesser option. Subbing is basically buying crowns PLUS benefits for the same price as simply buying crowns.

So when you say you spend more on crowns than subbers spend in sub, you're either lying or behaving irrationally.

I don't sub, but I spend far less (about only 1/3) than I would with subscription. I behave rationally. Which is also why I accept that I won't have a crafting bag. I don't want to pay, I don't get the convenience, that's OK.

Tommy1979AtWar

Buffler wrote: »

What exactly can they take away from ESO+ members?

10% xp...ive got max lvl toons its irrelevant
10% faster researching...im researched out
10% more gold....just wow!

So you want them to remove our dlc content.

If you want the bag that much then subscribe the $15 a month

But this is exactly what you're suggesting B2P players do by subscribing after having already bought the dlc content.

cjhhickman39

One point , you may not be able to buy a craft bag but you can buy some more mules now? I.E. More toon slots

TerraPython

Tevalaur wrote: »

P.S. I too have spent more in crowns in the past 6 months than any ESO+ subscription would cost for over a year. Very good point about non-steady income -- or in my case, non-steady medical bills. There needs to be some, perhaps more limited, version of crafting bags or some other means to address bank space issues.

This is simply not true - I continue to pay my ESO plus membership - 6 months at a time BTW, so that might be a solution for your irregular income (pay 6 months when you can, or buy gamecards when you can, and use them when you need to add more play-time - and then I buy extra crowns on top of this for various reasons. So if some plus members buy bundles of crowns every month on top of their membershio, how can you say that you pay more?

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Zos sold the B2P model to players because subscriptions were dropping and they needed B2P players, one year later after B2P players have dropped hundreds of $$$ into that model they've pulled the rug from under our feet and invalidated ALL of our past purchases and support.

@Tommy1979AtWar, if you really look into this with a fine tooth comb, you will see that after the removal of vet ranks - (and the removal of that MAHOOSIVE vet grind) - ZOS have invalidated the ESO+ membership, cause the 10% XP bonus isnt really worth it anymore. This is needed for the sub members in order to re-value the sub.

As a company trying to make money from a game - would you rather adhoc crown purchases now and again, or a monthly commitment to subs that you can monitor and predict. I know as a company, I would prefer the latter. Also, as an avid MMO player - why would you have a problem with subs? Any decent MMO that I have played has had a mandatory sub, at least ESO let you have to option to play non sub!

Titansteele wrote: »

What this update means is ESO plus members should no longer need to do this. This is a convenience bonus for ESO+ members, it is not P2W like some people have claimed and nor does it break the game for others. You can still be a master crafter and farmer, hell you can even get more storage space now you can add character slots for crowns.

Yes! @Titansteele - It does not break the game for anyone. It does not constitute P2W, it is just a bonus to ESO+, a well needed bonus if I may. Ask yourself this, if you look at the perks of ESO+ and then decide that you would rather B2P on an adhoc basis - then is ESO+ really worth it at the moment.

I have seen the perfect reaction to this change within members of my guild. When I was discussing the changes, most members said If it works, then I will be subbing up, that makes subbing worth it now. - this is exactly the reaction that ZOS needs.

Tommy1979AtWar

TerraPython wrote: »

@Tommy1979AtWar, if you really look into this with a fine tooth comb, you will see that after the removal of vet ranks - (and the removal of that MAHOOSIVE vet grind) - ZOS have invalidated the ESO+ membership, cause the 10% XP bonus isnt really worth it anymore. This is needed for the sub members in order to re-value the sub.

As a company trying to make money from a game - would you rather adhoc crown purchases now and again, or a monthly commitment to subs that you can monitor and predict. I know as a company, I would prefer the latter. Also, as an avid MMO player - why would you have a problem with subs? Any decent MMO that I have played has had a mandatory sub, at least ESO let you have to option to play non sub!

Don't get me wrong I agree with the sub needing a viable and worthwhile addition, more than one in fact.
And yes forecast projection is more preferable but we were sold the B2P option under the premise that a sub wasn't required, right on the front page it states "no subscription required"
You're assuming I have a problem with subs, I don't... I believe both sub AND B2P customers contribute equally.
I thought it was great they offered us a sub and B2P option, but now after spending $$$ buying crowns for mounts, outfits and all of the DLC etc we find it's now been wasted money if we want to take advantage of this much requested option.

Look at it from this point of view, we all agree the sub hasn't been worth it until now, so with that said, would any of the subscribers say it was fair if zos removed the 1500 crowns and dlc access from the sub model? it hasn't been worth it and apparently the bags are so no problem right? you can all go buy dlc and crowns from now on and just subscribe for the bag...

it's basically what they've done to B2P, our past purchases are now invalid and a waste of money if we now subscribe.
I've a feeling if zos announced removal of 1500 crowns and access to dlc there'd be some pretty PO people and rightly so.

We're not asking for it for free, we're not saying subs shouldn't get it for free... all we want is to have an option to buy something similar, even just a vanilla version of it.

Haenk

Honestly, farming and being a master crafter (max'ed and all traits / styles / receipts) already works the way it is right now. Maxing your bag space should offer plenty of room, so you only need to go banking once a day. Which only requires a couple of minutes, if needed.
The crafting bag will bring only a minor adjustment to my farming: I'll keep lower mats, too (right now, I'm usually selling them right away, or even dumping them).

Alurria

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

TerraPython wrote: »

@Tommy1979AtWar

Don't get me wrong I agree with the sub needing a viable

We're not asking for it for free, we're not saying subs shouldn't get it for free... all we want is to have an option to buy something similar, even just a vanilla version of it.

I wanted to comment on the above quote, I think this has merit the above statement. I understand it would be great if B2P folks had a option to get a bag that was similar. What bothers me about this thread and the one that got locked is the op implies "exclusivity'" of subscribers and tries to sugar coat the veiled insult. Instead of getting up in arms about what a subscriber pays for ask for more inventory space to be added to the crown store. Otherwise it makes this whole thread look like kids fighting over a piece of candy.

If you can afford to purchase crowns, dlc and extras from the crown store...why is it such a stretch to get a subscription? Instead of dividing the community you could ask for a similar bag to purchase with out all the references to subscribers being bad people. Wow that blew my mind reading how I'm a bad person for subscribing to a game.....smh. This thread is so dead I don't know why I even care except for the fact I find it so pathetic and petty and it's hard to look away from a train wreck.

Oliviander

I am a subscriber of ESO since the very beginning,
but I must admit I agree 100% with the analysis of the OP.

Tommy1979AtWar

@pieceofyarnb14_ESO First of all thank you, I can't speak for the OP but personally I could very well have entered into the sub model, at that time though there were multiple threads regarding sub issues, crowns not being delivered on console (still issues with this from what I understand) and posts saying the sub wasn't worth it, the perks weren't worth it etc etc, it certainly impacted my decision on subbing and choosing to go the B2P route, I figured I can buy what I want, still support the game and have access to DLC whenever I want if I found I couldn't spend the hours playing that month, it just seemed the most stable option.

It's not game breaking to not have the bag but zos has left a bitter taste not towards subscribers but towards how zos has disregarded B2P customers, inventory and bank space is a pain in the backside and always has been, it would be nice to be offered some sort of solution.

lathbury

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@pieceofyarnb14_ESO First of all thank you, I can't speak for the OP but personally I could very well have entered into the sub model, at that time though there were multiple threads regarding sub issues, crowns not being delivered on console (still issues with this from what I understand) and posts saying the sub wasn't worth it, the perks weren't worth it etc etc, it certainly impacted my decision on subbing and choosing to go the B2P route, I figured I can buy what I want, still support the game and have access to DLC whenever I want if I found I couldn't spend the hours playing that month, it just seemed the most stable option.

It's not game breaking to not have the bag but zos has left a bitter taste not towards subscribers but towards how zos has disregarded B2P customers, inventory and bank space is a pain in the backside and always has been, it would be nice to be offered some sort of solution.

they have alts

EZgoin76

SMH ... Here we go again. Enough with the "I spend this as a sub. Well I spend this as a non sub." Who cares?!? The bottom line is subs want a better benefit for subbing and non subs want something to alleviate their inventory woes.

Gidorick, several others and myself have suggested alternatives but everyone seems to ignore them and continue debating who pays more.

As far as the rest of what OP posted, I agree. Mainly if you want top tier mats then spend the points.