Game breaking exploit.

Wreuntzylla · April 2016

Reverb wrote: »

Nénlindë wrote: »

@Reverb What? Do you want me to tell you how to exploit or something? I'm not going to do that.

No, I'm saying that the majority of the times people scream "exploit", it's actually not. I understand you truly believe it's an exploit, but there's a good chance you're wrong. Or straight up full of bunk.

How can you be sure they're not exploiting? There's every liklihood that Zeni has looked into their reports and found they need 6 months to fix the problem. I don't know what those players are doing, but can give a scenario that would create what you haven't seen.

Seriously, how do you know people scream exploit when it's actually not? How do you KNOW????

code65536 · April 2016

Necrelios wrote: »

It's likely going to take some time for them to fix it in a way that doesn't break more things.

A trivial fix would be to make all surveys Backpack Bind-on-Pickup.

Sheezabeast · April 2016

this is a glitch worth being vociferous about. People's greed is showing, wanting to keep this under wraps and downplaying it

Twin_Snakes5 · April 2016

Why don't you just let the people have fun and get their endgame gear so they can BEAT stuff and get BETTER stats! If you worry about your economy that really SUCKS with all the prices going ridiculously HIGH each month because all you care about is your money and not the game, but don't get me wrong you can play the game the way you want but still you are ruining it for other people who really care about beating stuff in this game and try to get better gear. This way it makes you "greedy people" be pissed because your economy(that really sucks) is down and it would make a lot of people really happy about it because they can get better gear as i said.

Now stop whining and let's see if ZOS take care of this issue.

Either way the economy you guys created with the high prices will go down because everybody is all over that exploit and will end up with atleast 100 of each gold mat, so yeah have fun!

P.S.This exploit has spread out all over the factions on PS4 NA because of one guy going in area chat in all major cities in each faction and telling people how to do it.

imenace · April 2016

if they dont do anything about it within 5/6 hours i will make a video and post it here and on reddit, because of this thread there are guys selling about 300 mats in guild stores, might aswell go full public with it lol

andreasv · April 2016

imenace wrote: »

if they dont do anything about it within 5/6 hours i will make a video and post it here and on reddit, because of this thread there are guys selling about 300 mats in guild stores, might aswell go full public with it lol

This whole post is getting more and more interesting. And now we even get blackmailing!

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

You had two options:
1. Don't tell anyone and let a few people get filthy rich while the entire playerbase gets gold improvers for cheap
2. Only let ZOS know, either giving them detailed instructions or a video with names of exploiters. Tell them that if it's not fixed within 5 days then "someone" will end up posting it online for everyone. After 5 days of it not being fixed (which it wouldn't have), "someone" posts it online, everyone knows and exploits the bug for a day before its fixed (which it will have).

I believe similar exploits were present in the beta: a few people let them know and they were still present at launch then when everyone knew it was then fixed. Why? Because ZOS don't care about exploits unless everyone knows as it's potentially game breaking and bad for public image. They seem to view the Dev's work as unimportant and a waste of time otherwise.

No idea why you've came here, brought this to everyone's attention and allowed people to work out how it's done (who could exploit it) and those that currently exploit it to cover their tracks by selling off all of their mats so it doesn't raise a flag by having tens of thousands in their inventory.

Turelus · April 2016

This is basically where my faith in ZOS dies every time.

I love the game and I think they're fun people, even with the bugs and mistakes I can enjoy the game. The fact they're so bad at stopping (and punishing) exploits though is really just sad.

I have known of so many issues like this one which went on for about a month and not one person who took advantage of it was banned. That's why we now have this culture of "abuse until it's fixed". Exploiting isn't cheating in ESO, it's just playing the game to you advantage.

For what it's worth here are some more Dev/Mod tags in the hopes someone can get a GM in game and start throwing out some bans or we have an official statement on this. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_AlanG @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel (surely one of these people can get something to happen).

Also here is a thread I made to discuss this kind of issue over a month ago, with examples of how other companies handle it compared to ZOS. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/253722/zos-stance-on-exploiting-game-bugs

Kathrein · April 2016

omg where is my private message with 'how to do it'? guys plz

Twin_Snakes5 · April 2016

One last thing i want to say, this "exploit" is not game breaking. It is only an economy breaker, an economy created by players not the devs, players who only cares about raising prices to get gold!

Khamira · April 2016

pelennor_fields wrote: »

there is something there with them that is usually not there.

scorpiodog wrote: »

If I forked out the cash for a portable banker I could withdraw all my characters' piled up surveys from the bank one right after the other.

Wonder what happens when nodes are spawned and you don't have the writ in your inventory?

The fix should be easy - before harvesting spawned nodes system checks if you have the survey in your inventory. I've noticed once that if you harvest first node your map dissapears. Or something like that. Once my Internet connection crashed and after logging again into the game my map were gone and nodes too xD

No I still don't know how to do it, I just have the tendency for overthinking everything and my wicked mind came up with that idea >:D

Turelus · April 2016

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

One last thing i want to say, this "exploit" is not game breaking. It is only an economy breaker, an economy created by players not the devs, players who only cares about raising prices to get gold!

Exploits like this are still bad for the game, and other than ZOS not many game developers would stand for them.

I honestly do hope they take a stand this time and hand out some temp bans / strip items gold from people to show this isn't how you're meant to play a game.

Chriagon · April 2016

I have to say reading this thread is a bit demotivating for someone who spent a felt eternity to gather the materials for just one gold armor set.

Vangy · April 2016

well at least people got some value out of the ridiculous 5k overpriced *** banker =X

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

Vangy wrote: »

well at least people got some value out of the ridiculous 5k overpriced *** banker =X

Surprisingly I didn't see this posted in the "are the bankers worth it" threads

Twin_Snakes5 · April 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

One last thing i want to say, this "exploit" is not game breaking. It is only an economy breaker, an economy created by players not the devs, players who only cares about raising prices to get gold!

Exploits like this are still bad for the game, and other than ZOS not many game developers would stand for them.

I honestly do hope they take a stand this time and hand out some temp bans / strip items gold from people to show this isn't how you're meant to play a game.

i agree with you, but how people raise the prices each week is not what everyone wants, how will we be able to compete and try to beat the new stuff that comes out and play this game properly if those people keep selling temps for 15k or 20k a piece! am only ahppy because it will let the prices go down!

Nifty2g · April 2016

with a major update around the corner, i'll be very surprised if anyone sells their materials
This isn't nearly as bad as the first item duplication

Twin_Snakes5 · April 2016

Plus you guys do know that the gold mats have a really low chance drop from refining, so it really depends on luck and not math facts! RNGesus even in an exploit, gotta love it lol!

Turelus · April 2016

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

Plus you guys do know that the gold mats have a really low chance drop from refining, so it really depends on luck and not math facts! RNGesus even in an exploit, gotta love it lol!

That's not the only effect from this, let me try some simple and by far not accurate maths.

10,000 materials raw. Let's say a 1/100 chance of a gold temper, that's 100 gold tempers.

However what about all the other materials, the cost of those will crash on the market if players inject them all, meaning players who play the game without an exploit will see their hard work devalued.

Also if the players farming don't decided to cash out to market but rather vendor trash all their materials, let's say they sell a stack of 8,000 refined materials at 1,600 gold per stack of 200. That's 64,000 more gold injected into the game.
Now imagine you have 100 players doing this, that's 6.4M gold. Let this continue for a month or so.

You want the cost of materials to go down, however there will be more gold injected into the games economy via this than tempers. The tempers are consumed and removed from the game as well, whilst there are far less gold sinks. So what you'll eventually see is the value of tempers rise to meet the higher pools of gold everyone has.

Sure if this was push button receive only gold temper you would get the desired effect you want, cheaper tempers. However that's not the only effect here.

Twin_Snakes5 · April 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

Plus you guys do know that the gold mats have a really low chance drop from refining, so it really depends on luck and not math facts! RNGesus even in an exploit, gotta love it lol!

That's not the only effect from this, let me try some simple and by far not accurate maths.

10,000 materials raw. Let's say a 1/100 chance of a gold temper, that's 100 gold tempers.

However what about all the other materials, the cost of those will crash on the market if players inject them all, meaning players who play the game without an exploit will see their hard work devalued.

Also if the players farming don't decided to cash out to market but rather vendor trash all their materials, let's say they sell a stack of 8,000 refined materials at 1,600 gold per stack of 200. That's 64,000 more gold injected into the game.
Now imagine you have 100 players doing this, that's 6.4M gold. Let this continue for a month or so.

You want the cost of materials to go down, however there will be more gold injected into the games economy via this than tempers. The tempers are consumed and removed from the game as well, whilst there are far less gold sinks. So what you'll eventually see is the value of tempers rise to meet the higher pools of gold everyone has.

Sure if this was push button receive only gold temper you would get the desired effect you want, cheaper tempers. However that's not the only effect here.

i totally agree with the thing about people's hard work.

TBH i only care about the flowers(because they sell ridiculously high on PS4 NA *120k for a stack*) and gold tempers because thats what i use to test or progress through stuff and also to pull most dps(Spell power pots > Any Major sorcery buff)

Nifty2g · April 2016

Has it been confirmed yet that this is a bug?
Cause I'll just like to say yes this does exist

Firerock2 · April 2016

On a sidenote, they really should increase the drop rate of gold mats. It's ridiculous. I for one, won't be exploiting though.

Buffler · April 2016

Never mind all that, was my theory correct?

Khamira · April 2016

Turelus wrote: »

However what about all the other materials, the cost of those will crash on the market if players inject them all, meaning players who play the game without an exploit will see their hard work devalued.

Wow, you are so awesome that you explained my whole post in one paragraph xD

@Twin_Snakes5 according to what @Turelus said above, imagine you doing dungeon following it's mechanics, training, polishing your rotation and finally beating Molag Kena.

OR!

You can just poke her in her eye and she dies.

Quoting Turelus: "players who play the game without an exploit will see their hard work devalued".

So looking on an game economy as an another game within the game, yes, that's nasty and not nice.

You need our game to have your game, we need your game to have our game.

Supply and demand.

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

Plus on the thing that you say i lost, i never lost in any fight or anything in this game because my builds, my rotations and my mechanic understanding is clearly fine in every fight i i fought.

I never lost in this game.
My my arsenal of addons and data analyzers, my time-saving rotation around guild stores and my knowledge of mechanic of supply and demand of each item is clearly fine with every transaction I've completed.

...just kiddin', everyone dies from time to time, and each death makes us stronger

Twin_Snakes5 · April 2016

Khamira wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

However what about all the other materials, the cost of those will crash on the market if players inject them all, meaning players who play the game without an exploit will see their hard work devalued.

Wow, you are so awesome that you explained my whole post in one paragraph xD

@Twin_Snakes5 according to what @Turelus said above, imagine you doing dungeon following it's mechanics, training, polishing your rotation and finally beating Molag Kena.

OR!

You can just poke her in her eye and she dies.

Quoting Turelus: "players who play the game without an exploit will see their hard work devalued".

So looking on an game economy as an another game within the game, yes, that's nasty and not nice.

You need our game to have your game, we need your game to have our game.

Supply and demand.

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

Plus on the thing that you say i lost, i never lost in any fight or anything in this game because my builds, my rotations and my mechanic understanding is clearly fine in every fight i i fought.

I never lost in this game.
My my arsenal of addons and data analyzers, my time-saving rotation around guild stores and my knowledge of mechanic of supply and demand of each item is clearly fine with every transaction I've completed.

...just kiddin', everyone dies from time to time, and each death makes us stronger

LooooL! Seriously do you think i struggle with kena LMFAO! the guy was referring to people who farm the mats and try to get them not the guys who do hard work to beat stuff lol!

Twin_Snakes5 · April 2016

@Khamira here is how i see it, the guys who have an economy as a game in this game is just so sad because they chose that path because they cannot beat stuff in this game

Firerock2 · April 2016

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

@Khamira here is how i see it, the guys who have an economy as a game in this game is just so sad because they chose that path because they cannot beat stuff in this game

wot?

Nifty2g · April 2016

Twin_Snakes5 wrote: »

@Khamira here is how i see it, the guys who have an economy as a game in this game is just so sad because they chose that path because they cannot beat stuff in this game

some people really like playing the game to farm stuff and keeping the economy alive and supplying stuff to players.
remember how big farmville was? this is basically just that for some people but a lot more dynamic.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

pelennor_fields wrote: »

It's true. I sent multiple emails to customer support and haven't had a response yet. I also have had multiple people acknowledging the exploit and encouraging me to participate. I won't; in fact I rode around Wrothgar for hours reporting people doing it. When are you going to do something about this? It is a game breaking exploit that will wreck the economy.

REALLY????
The "Economy" as you put is IS totalled since ever, almost.
Not been in Wrothgar yet (seems it's over there) so NO, I am not one of them, but I am also not posting about them.
My post is about the "economy" (ROFL, ecenomy) being in danger.

laksikus · April 2016

I just tested it out on PTS and it really works.