Veteran Maelstrom Arena Weapons in DB

Destruent · April 2016

agro2014 wrote: »

With new spell damage weapon enchants, Maelstrom weapon is not musthave now, great change.

You don't understand what those maelstromeweapons do....They will never get replaced (in PvE DPS-builds) with a setlessweapon + dmg enchant.

LegendaryArcher · April 2016

Hektik_V wrote: »

100% drop chance for a best in slot weapon is too high in an arena that is already too easy.

What's the point to run the "easy arena" 500 times and not get anything then? 500 might be overexaggerated, but i know someone who ran it over 350 times, didn't get his flame destro and gave up. The worst thing is that you don't increase your chances with every attempt. After 350 trys, it's like you're still on day 1 trying it for the first time.

Then buff the arena, if have to, but guarantee a weapon in the end.

Wizzo91 · April 2016

I agree. Weapon should drop 100% of the time. It will still be a terrible grind, even if the arena is not too difficult to beat. Remember there are multiple weapons and plenty of different traits.

From my perspective you can also add a "hard-mode" or buff the arena generally and guarantee a weapon. Like this the 1h+ you spent won't be total waste.

Haquor · April 2016

keni_harringtonb16_ESO wrote: »

im a pvp player and by far not good at pve and yet i ran the VMA and after about 6 completions i was able to get position 50 or soemthing on the LB's when i originally started i got to the last boss about 3 times and just couldnt beat him i then payed attention to what i was missing reformed my gear choices and then proceded to complete it and then start cutting my time down to about 1hr 30mins each run clearly i think you should revise your build and ask some guildies/zone for some advice

*im deeply sorry that you feel this sucks but its the way of the MMO world and maybe MMO's just are not for you*

Are you serious dude? its not even about completing the content. You could literally complete it 10 million times and not get the weapon you want. That is actually possible.

The system is rediculous. The whole 'maybe mmo's arent for you' statement is just a cheap shot and you arent paying attention to the point of the post.

A player can struggle through the thing once and get the weapon he desires. Another player can put 200 times the effort and time into it and get no reward.

If you think this is acceptable maybe giving feedback on the forums isnt for you.

LegendaryArcher · April 2016

This thread is driving off topic a little.

Back to the topic: I still believe the best idea would be, in case ZOS believes dropping a purple Maelstrom weapon every 1 - 3 hour run is inappropriate, I'd be fine with getting them in lower qualities.

@ZOS_Finn Just make the 8th chest drop 50% jewelry and 50% set item; and the final chest should drop 10% purple Maelstrom weapon, 30% blue Maelstrom weapon, 60% green Maelstrom weapon - or something similar.

I'd be completely fine with that and would consider it fair. It would still require weeks/months of grinding to get the weapon you need with the appropriate trait, but it would make the whole ordeal way less frustrating.

Guarantee us a weapon in the last chest.

Wizzo91 · April 2016

At least give us a reason why not!!

dagonbeer · April 2016

Or finally implement a token system, alongside the RNG box. You started this path (a bit) with the IC dungeons, why not continue?

LegendaryArcher · April 2016

dagonbeer wrote: »

Or finally implement a token system, alongside the RNG box. You started this path (a bit) with the IC dungeons, why not continue?

Even though the token system would be the most fair one, I don't think we can expect ZOS to implement it. This is not a P2P game anymore. The budget just isn't there. But a small adjustment of drop chances or loot tables doesn't take much resources.

LegendaryArcher · April 2016

Just ran Maelstrom. It's all the same. Got a Para Bellum Choker (Arcane).

@ZOS_Finn This is unacceptable!

There are just 4 weapons I want:
- Sharpened Bow
- Sharpened Mace
- Sharpened Inferno Staff
- Precise Restoration Staff

On live, after over 100 runs and a few weeklies, I don't have a single one of them.
Is this really working as intended?

Decado · April 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Just ran Maelstrom. It's all the same. Got a Para Bellum Choker (Arcane).

@ZOS_Finn This is unacceptable!

There are just 4 weapons I want:
- Sharpened Bow
- Sharpened Mace
- Sharpened Inferno Staff
- Precise Restoration Staff

On live, after over 100 runs and a few weeklies, I don't have a single one of them.
Is this really working as intended?

I've started writing down my drops and there are patterns emerging,

Defending sword
Precise sword
Infused permafrost chest
Reinforced succession chest
Sharpened resto staff
Precise malestrom dagger
Sharpened resto
Defending resto
Defending resto
Infused hunt chest
Divines hunt chest
Ring of the hunt

LegendaryArcher · April 2016

I don't see any significant patterns there. But if this is all your drops, then your Maelstrom weapon drop chance is way above what I have experienced. For me, out of all those drops, there would be maximum just one weapon.

Decado · April 2016

this is not all my drops, this is my drops this week(from friday i think), ive just started writing them down after getting seriously pissed off with the drop chances, i think im on 10 restos, 5 swords, 1 dagger, 1 bow, 1 maul

LegendaryArcher · April 2016

Decado wrote: »

this is not all my drops, this is my drops this week(from friday i think), ive just started writing them down after getting seriously pissed off with the drop chances, i think im on 10 restos, 5 swords, 1 dagger, 1 bow, 1 maul

If that's all you got in a week, consider yourself very lucky.

If those were my drops and the game treated me like it's treating you, I probably wouldn't even have unsubscribed.

Decado · April 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

this is not all my drops, this is my drops this week(from friday i think), ive just started writing them down after getting seriously pissed off with the drop chances, i think im on 10 restos, 5 swords, 1 dagger, 1 bow, 1 maul

If that's all you got in a week, consider yourself very lucky. If those were my drops and the game treated me like it's treating you, I probably wouldn't even have unsubscribed.

10 resto staffs with no healer is pointless, i didnt need 1 i sure as hell dont need 10, trust me its just as frustrating pulling one of those out as it is ring of the hunt,

Makkir · April 2016

make that stuff BOE

Decado · April 2016

another run another resto staff lol

xblackroxe · April 2016

Its so funny how people qq on not getting on the leader boards. Its the leaderboards ffs. Its supposed to be for the 100 best people lol.
Also you don´t need those weapons to dps. You need them to min/max. And if you wanna min/max you can work for your stuff too. Why do people expect to get everything handed to them for doing nothing? Either get good and compete or dont and live with the consequences!

Decado · April 2016

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its so funny how people qq on not getting on the leader boards. Its the leaderboards ffs. Its supposed to be for the 100 best people lol.
Also you don´t need those weapons to dps. You need them to min/max. And if you wanna min/max you can work for your stuff too. Why do people expect to get everything handed to them for doing nothing? Either get good and compete or dont and live with the consequences!

hahaha people like you amuse me! true enough i dont 'need' the weapons however im losing DPS by not having them, and in Vet Maw we need all the damage we can get on the final boss, therefore me not having them is letting the group down slightly,

handed to them for nothing?? ive easily done over 100 runs of this arena im running 2/3 times a DAY, is that not earning them? so ive earnt my 12 resto staffs but not a destro? thats some *** up logic right there.

someone who walks into the arena on his first clear gets a sharpened destro has earnt it more times than people running 100s of times?

player_klaus · April 2016

the fps drops, i get from round 6 on, permitting me to play the arena on a competitive level.
but getting three well-sh*tted parabellum helmets in a row on the last chest, were the reason i stopped running it.

zerosingularity · April 2016

Can we get all master/maelstrom weapons converted to enchantments? In many cases (sword and board) they are not nearly worth it over another set piece, even though they are cool. I think this would make them more universally better, while not being that much stronger.

Perhaps it could be something like primary/secondary enchant(stat boost) where the stat boost is overridden if you have it part of a set item. This way you wouldn't have a dead item with just an enchant.

Just food for thought because the enchant on the sword/mace is cool and I can use it, but it is not worth losing a set bonus for. (Another 5 pc, or a 2pc monster set.)

TheDarkShadow · April 2016

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

@ZOS_Finn Could you explain more about Normal MA please? Right now the jewelry only drop from the 8th and 9th chest and they share the same table with other set pieces and non-set gear. From what I understand, with the update, MA will no longer drop non-set gear, both in normal and vet mode, but the jewelry in normal mode will still drop in the 8th and 9th chest only, and still share the chance with other set pieces. Is that right?

Artis · April 2016

Weapons are not supposed to be something you can easily farm. Don't count on them. The whole point is that they are rare and if you get them - good for you.

It's not like everyone is supposed to have them, so please stop complaining. They are for good AND lucky players. If everyone has one - then the whole point is lost. They are supposed to be like legendary weapons from WoW.

code65536 · April 2016

Artis wrote: »

Weapons are not supposed to be something you can easily farm. Don't count on them. The whole point is that they are rare and if you get them - good for you.

It's not like everyone is supposed to have them, so please stop complaining. They are for good AND lucky players. If everyone has one - then the whole point is lost. They are supposed to be like legendary weapons from WoW.

If you were one of those unlucky players who had run it hundreds of times without getting the weapon you want, would you seriously still be singing this tune?

Wizzo91 · April 2016

Artis wrote: »

Weapons are not supposed to be something you can easily farm. Don't count on them. The whole point is that they are rare and if you get them - good for you.

It's not like everyone is supposed to have them, so please stop complaining. They are for good AND lucky players. If everyone has one - then the whole point is lost. They are supposed to be like legendary weapons from WoW.

Even if they drop 100% of the time in the last chest it will take a long time to actually get the weapon in the trait you desire.

hey are for good AND lucky players This sentence makes me laugh hard. Lucky players? Really? This discredits your whole post.

xblackroxe wrote: »

Its so funny how people qq on not getting on the leader boards. Its the leaderboards ffs. Its supposed to be for the 100 best people lol.
Also you don´t need those weapons to dps. You need them to min/max. And if you wanna min/max you can work for your stuff too. Why do people expect to get everything handed to them for doing nothing? Either get good and compete or dont and live with the consequences!

@xblackroxe
And you are even worse than the guy before. Maybe go back to school to improve your reading comprehension. People like you make me laugh. Nobody here is "qq" because they are not getting on the leaderboards. We are criticizing the *** RNG system - including leaderboard rewards btw.

LegendaryArcher · April 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Weapons are not supposed to be something you can easily farm. Don't count on them. The whole point is that they are rare and if you get them - good for you.

It's not like everyone is supposed to have them, so please stop complaining. They are for good AND lucky players. If everyone has one - then the whole point is lost. They are supposed to be like legendary weapons from WoW.

If you were one of those unlucky players who had run it hundreds of times without getting the weapon you want, would you seriously still be singing this tune?

I am one of these "unlucky" players. And I don't believe the current (both live and PTS) system is fair. I'm not saying it's supposed to be easy. I'm just saying that RNG needs a limit. Introduce a token system where you can pick any weapon with any trait after, let's say, 300 runs. Then the lucky players can still get lucky and get it on their first run, good for them. And us unlucky players have a light at the end of the tunnel. Or make it like Black Desert: set a limit to RNG! If there are the items A, B and C, for every time you don't get A, the chance to get A increases by X percent, up to 100% at a certain point. Lucky player can still get lucky, unlucky players have a guarantee they're not grinding for nothing.

Right now, I can easily run vMA 1000 times and never see a single Sharpened Inferno Staff.

Or, and this is the most resource-saving solution, just guarantee a weapon in the end of every vMA run! It will still take months of grinding to get the weapon(s) you need.

ZOS_Finn · April 2016

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

@ZOS_Finn Could you explain more about Normal MA please? Right now the jewelry only drop from the 8th and 9th chest and they share the same table with other set pieces and non-set gear. From what I understand, with the update, MA will no longer drop non-set gear, both in normal and vet mode, but the jewelry in normal mode will still drop in the 8th and 9th chest only, and still share the chance with other set pieces. Is that right?

Sure! Every arena will drop a set piece. In normal, Arena 7 and 8 have a chance to drop a necklace (higher chance in Arena 8 than in Arena 7) and arena 9 will drop a ring.

As for the feedback on drop rates of weapons, we are definitely taking a look and appreciate the feedback.

rokrdt05 · April 2016

code65536 wrote: »

To be fair, though, he has a point.

We have it good on the NA/PC server, where just a few weeks ago, even the sorc weekly board wasn't filling up. Weeklies are easy to get on.

But, most importantly, the people who complain about vMA drop rates aren't complaining about getting non-set items in the early stages. With the exception of Winterborn, the vMA sets are trash sets. I don't care if I get a Glorious Defender helm or if I get a generic non-set helm, because both are going to the same decon table.

ZOS appears to have completely missed the point. Maybe if the vMA sets were actually useful, but they aren't. The final chest should contain only weapons and jewelry, because getting yet another Para Bellum chest piece is just as much of an insult as getting generic trash.

@code65536 I disagree... now with the potential for gold jewelry, I highly believe Succession to be a very competitive set for Sorcs as an alternative to Willpower. I'll be able to get higher magicka/spell damage pools with it.

Winterborn is actually a pretty nice set for PvP. But you are right, the other gear in vma is pretty lack luster outside the 2 I mentioned.

rokrdt05 · April 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Maelstrom Arena
Improved the rewards for Maelstrom Arena so now every level of the Arena is guaranteed to grant a set item.
Note: The only exception is the final Arena on Veteran mode, which may still drop a Maelstrom Weapon instead.

Are you kidding me? So the last chest after the 1 - 3h solo arena in an MMO will still drop well-shitted helmets instead of weapons 19 out of 20 runs? And then a random weapon with a random trait? Referring to this thread concerning the live servers.

The leaderboard isn't being increased either. So most spots for the guaranteed weapons are reserved for those paying real money to cheaters on EpicNPC to run it for them and place them on the leaderboard.

@ZOS_GinaBruno So, how is this a good idea? Usually you encounter design like this only in F2P games.

I wouldnt expect people to pay money, VMA is so easy now that its not even worth real life money, hardly anyone runs it anymore cause they have their loot. Leaderboards are never at 100 for weeklies these days. You have plenty of time to get on the weekly and not have those pesky cheaters beat you

This only goes for Templars and Dragonknights (even though Templars are already reaching cut-off values of 300k+). On Nightblade, you can't get a spot without a score under ~470k, which isn't too hard for an experienced vMA grinder, but impossible for almost 100% of the player base (keep in mind, only 100 players can make it!). On Sorcerer, your score needs to be 500k+. You need to be best-in-slot, very experienced, and, and this is the worst part, you can't just play the arena normally anymore. You have to skip/outdps mechanics, you can't use sigils, you can't die, and you can't afford to take the chest in every arena anymore. That's quite a lot of pressure just to get a small shot at those shiny weapons. I can see someone playing main Sorc or NB pay a cheater on EpicNPC to place him on the leaderboard.

I don't agree. I run 4 of my characters through the weekly (time allowing) and I always pick up a chest, and repair my gear. I at most use 2 sigils per run as well and still manage a leaderboard time easily. The arena is so easy now, and come next patch with shield changes it will be even easier.

Grunim · April 2016

To confirm, no weapon chance from normal Maelstrom Arena?

rokrdt05 · April 2016

dagonbeer wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

Not what most people are looking for. No one enters vMA hoping for jewelry after the investment of an hour and a half (what I'd assume to be average) If you're introducing more traits, that's even less of a chance of getting what you want. Guarantee a weapon drop at the end and 90% of complaints will go away.

I assume you have stats for the number of players actually wearing Para Bellum/Glory/Succession?

Actually, the only reason I've been running VMA is to try and get Succession jewelry, the weapons are an after thought. Certain sets in there allow for build diversity that is pretty unique to the meta.