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Incap Strike
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Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again
It's sooo nice yum yum
Edited by Sugaroverdose on April 27, 2016 1:59PM1 -
Goresnort✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again
It's sooo nice yum yum
That's exactly why it would make my stamblade happy
My stamblade prefers soul harvest 
My stamblade is very selfish. It wants this very bad 0 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
That's how balance in game @Wrobel do: 'it would be cool that stamblades will kill instantly even tanks go to invis and instantly kill another target'Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again
It's sooo nice yum yum
That's exactly why it would make my stamblade happy My stamblade prefers soul harvest
My stamblade is very selfish. It wants this very bad
But it would be cool/awesome/etc isn't good word when you talk about abilities which you must balance.
Stamina was OP already and incap strike/soul harvest already did good damage, now, game just completely broken and there's no reason to play in magicka or tank or both - they completely [snip] up.
New pvp era of stamblades "don't get out of hide or you'll get instantly destroyed"Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 14, 2018 8:35PM1 -
Suru✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Okay explain this then. I have 15% mitigation from cp...8% damage mitigation with restoring focus...18k physical resist....and 2.3k crit resist and I get hit for 10k plus incap strikes. Most people dont mitigate damage anywhere near what I do and I still get ridiculously hard. This is not balance. The ability is fine as is with damage on live. I like the knock down mechanic now
Can hit 10k soul harvests on live right now in a full gank build. I think the highest @Suru hit was 17k on live after CP cap. Could be wrong though, I think he has a screenshot.
rip this guy 
Why do people defend one-shot-one-kill gameplay?
What people don't know about this skill is, or don't consider is that since 1.2, ZoS has had this skill nerfed in the sense that it does not receive crit hit amp from stealth, say like you would with a surprise attack. They've taken away that skills ability to do that from stealth from and a NB's toolkit. So this skill won't do an ungodly amount of damage from stealth.
Quick testing on some mobs, SA will crit for 30k, while Soul Harvest will only do 15k from stealth. I'll do more testing on how it works on players on pts and live today.Edited by Suru on April 27, 2016 2:30PM
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Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So magicka builds can proxy det whole raids for 15k+ with a standard skill and now are crying 'cos a stamina build might be able to hit one person with an ultimate for similar damage?? And you want to be taken seriously while saying it?
Seriously needing the LOL button back.GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
I never said such sh*t, it's your words. Both things must be impossible, but some idiots don't learn on their mistakesSuraklinPrime wrote: »So magicka builds can proxy det whole raids for 15k+ with a standard skill and now are crying 'cos a stamina build might be able to hit one person with an ultimate for similar damage?? And you want to be taken seriously while saying it?
Seriously needing the LOL button back.
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elium85✭✭✭You guys are entirely missing the fact that without this, Stamblades are one of the worst PvE DD's. Making the NB skills do Physical Damage and scale off Mighty is the only way to balance their DPS output in group PvE.2 -
Kupoking✭✭✭✭✭On my nb, Ive got
-maxed out wp dmg with all high wp dmg sets with wp dmg enchants everywhere
-sharpened weapons
-use dw for more dmg
-full buff my dmg with skills
-am an orc so got wp dmg passive at well as extra stam
-got 30k stam on drinks and 17k hp
-maxed out cp on dmg and crit dmg
For me to hit 16k incp strike I need:
-a target with no bubbles up
-a target with inexistent impen
-a target with less than 8k armor
-a target with almost no cp in physical resist
-empower from ambush
And you got it.
On players with full impen med armor it goes to 10-12k if im lucky3 -
Goresnort✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
That's how balance in game @Wrobel do: 'it would be cool that stamblades will kill instantly even tanks go to invis and instantly kill another target'Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again
It's sooo nice yum yum
That's exactly why it would make my stamblade happy My stamblade prefers soul harvest
My stamblade is very selfish. It wants this very bad
But it would be cool/awesome/etc isn't good word when you talk about abilities which you must balance.
Stamina was OP already and incap strike/soul harvest already did good damage, now, game just completely broken and there's no reason to play in magicka or tank or both - they completely [snip] up.
New pvp era of stamblades "don't get out of hide or you'll get instantly destroyed"
Awww, my stamblade very sad now
My stamblade don't understand logic
Why my magblade having scaling damage component of her ultimate = balance?
Why my stamblade not having scaling damage component of his ultimate = balance?
My stamblade so confused now. It just wants nice things like magblade Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 14, 2018 8:35PM0 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »So magicka builds can proxy det whole raids for 15k+ with a standard skill and now are crying 'cos a stamina build might be able to hit one person with an ultimate for similar damage?? And you want to be taken seriously while saying it?
Seriously needing the LOL button back.4 -
mr_wazzabi✭✭✭✭✭
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Soul harvest for mageblades hits for the same. Nobody complained about that...Okay explain this then. I have 15% mitigation from cp...8% damage mitigation with restoring focus...18k physical resist....and 2.3k crit resist and I get hit for 10k plus incap strikes. Most people dont mitigate damage anywhere near what I do and I still get ridiculously hard. This is not balance. The ability is fine as is with damage on live. I like the knock down mechanic now
It's balanced.
Btw death stroke is easy to dodge. You sometimes don't even need a roll dodge to avoid the dmg, just sprint out of the way. The fact that you can completely avoid its damage justifies the low cost.
Bosmer Stamina NB
Altmer Magicka TEMP
Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
Altmer Magicka NB
Breton Magicka Sorc
Redguard Stam Sorc
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Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭houimetub17_ESO wrote: »On my nb, Ive got
-maxed out wp dmg with all high wp dmg sets with wp dmg enchants everywhere
-sharpened weapons
-use dw for more dmg
-full buff my dmg with skills
-am an orc so got wp dmg passive at well as extra stam
-got 30k stam on drinks and 17k hp
-maxed out cp on dmg and crit dmg
For me to hit 16k incp strike I need:
-a target with no bubbles up
-a target with inexistent impen
-a target with less than 8k armor
-a target with almost no cp in physical resist
-empower from ambush
And you got it.
On players with full impen med armor it goes to 10-12k if im lucky
Read first page, people have more than 15k resist, so your words are not consistent with their.
Also, brew "new awesome" poisons and you'll get even more one shots.Edited by Sugaroverdose on April 27, 2016 2:30PM1 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭Death stroke should hit hard!! Its called death for a reason, right!!
Edit:
Now, incap strike and soul harvest have their uses for Stam/ Magi NB.
So, do nerf them.....
Anyways, NB as many counters..........
Stamblade can't cloak for long and Magiblade can't give a decent burst compared to Stambuilds( like 1 shooting without an effort, they have to do a lot of rotations to get that burst)
So, its all good in my eyes.Edited by Van_0S on April 27, 2016 2:37PM1 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Because your stamblade stacks damage a lot better than magblade(for something like 30% more wepdmg i comparison to spelldmg), some people hade 6k wepdmg with only rally up and purple gear in IC.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
That's how balance in game @Wrobel do: 'it would be cool that stamblades will kill instantly even tanks go to invis and instantly kill another target'Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again
It's sooo nice yum yum
That's exactly why it would make my stamblade happy My stamblade prefers soul harvest
My stamblade is very selfish. It wants this very bad
But it would be cool/awesome/etc isn't good word when you talk about abilities which you must balance.
Stamina was OP already and incap strike/soul harvest already did good damage, now, game just completely broken and there's no reason to play in magicka or tank or both - they completely [snip] up.
New pvp era of stamblades "don't get out of hide or you'll get instantly destroyed"
Awww, my stamblade very sad now
My stamblade don't understand logic
Why my magblade having scaling damage component of her ultimate = balance?
Why my stamblade not having scaling damage component of his ultimate = balance?
My stamblade so confused now. It just wants nice things like magbladeEdited by ZOS_KatP on February 14, 2018 8:36PM0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Because your stamblade stacks damage a lot better than magblade(for something like 30% more wepdmg i comparison to spelldmg), some people hade 6k wepdmg with only rally up and purple gear in IC.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
That's how balance in game @Wrobel do: 'it would be cool that stamblades will kill instantly even tanks go to invis and instantly kill another target'Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again
It's sooo nice yum yum
That's exactly why it would make my stamblade happy My stamblade prefers soul harvest
My stamblade is very selfish. It wants this very bad
But it would be cool/awesome/etc isn't good word when you talk about abilities which you must balance.
Stamina was OP already and incap strike/soul harvest already did good damage, now, game just completely broken and there's no reason to play in magicka or tank or both - they completely [snip] up.
New pvp era of stamblades "don't get out of hide or you'll get instantly destroyed"
Awww, my stamblade very sad now
My stamblade don't understand logic
Why my magblade having scaling damage component of her ultimate = balance?
Why my stamblade not having scaling damage component of his ultimate = balance?
My stamblade so confused now. It just wants nice things like magblade
I feel like pointing out, there was a notorious weapon/spell damage bug during IC PTS that doubled your stats
Best you can do at the moment (without outside buffs) is around 5k weapon damage. With outside buffs, this climbs significantly higher however.Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 14, 2018 8:36PM1 -
Goresnort✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Because your stamblade stacks damage a lot better than magblade(for something like 30% more wepdmg i comparison to spelldmg), some people hade 6k wepdmg with only rally up and purple gear in IC.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
That's how balance in game @Wrobel do: 'it would be cool that stamblades will kill instantly even tanks go to invis and instantly kill another target'Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again
It's sooo nice yum yum
That's exactly why it would make my stamblade happy My stamblade prefers soul harvest
My stamblade is very selfish. It wants this very bad
But it would be cool/awesome/etc isn't good word when you talk about abilities which you must balance.
Stamina was OP already and incap strike/soul harvest already did good damage, now, game just completely broken and there's no reason to play in magicka or tank or both - they completely [snip] up.
New pvp era of stamblades "don't get out of hide or you'll get instantly destroyed"
Awww, my stamblade very sad now
My stamblade don't understand logic
Why my magblade having scaling damage component of her ultimate = balance?
Why my stamblade not having scaling damage component of his ultimate = balance?
My stamblade so confused now. It just wants nice things like magblade
My stamblade thinks this is actually very simple
My magblade prefers soul harvest to scale because it is the better morph due to ultimate gain
My stamblade prefers soul harvest to scale because it is the better morph due to ultimate gain
Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 14, 2018 8:36PM0 -
Elevenstorm✭✭✭You guys are entirely missing the fact that without this, Stamblades are one of the worst PvE DD's. Making the NB skills do Physical Damage and scale off Mighty is the only way to balance their DPS output in group PvE.
Can't disagree with this more. I am a stamina PvE NB DD and I rek.0 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »So magicka builds can proxy det whole raids for 15k+ with a standard skill and now are crying 'cos a stamina build might be able to hit one person with an ultimate for similar damage?? And you want to be taken seriously while saying it?
Seriously needing the LOL button back.
NB is general are way too OP than the other classes ! Proofs ? i counted on top20 players EU servers, 16 are right now NBs ? Balanced isn't it ? Considering that we have 4 classes, a balanced game shall be about 25% toon of each class in the top20. We have something like 75% NB now....2 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Elevenstorm wrote: »You guys are entirely missing the fact that without this, Stamblades are one of the worst PvE DD's. Making the NB skills do Physical Damage and scale off Mighty is the only way to balance their DPS output in group PvE.
Can't disagree with this more. I am a stamina PvE NB DD and I rek.
Stamina DKs/Templars rek more
We'll see if this patch along with execute & relentless focus scaling with mighty will help alleviate the issue (though other classes got huge buffs as well)0 -
Elevenstorm✭✭✭Elevenstorm wrote: »You guys are entirely missing the fact that without this, Stamblades are one of the worst PvE DD's. Making the NB skills do Physical Damage and scale off Mighty is the only way to balance their DPS output in group PvE.
Can't disagree with this more. I am a stamina PvE NB DD and I rek.
Stamina DKs/Templars rek more
We'll see if this patch along with execute & relentless focus scaling with mighty will help alleviate the issue (though other classes got huge buffs as well)
Yeah, elium and I are in the same guild. should have added a /sarcasm at the end there. I recently leveled a dunmer magicka dk (cake baby) and did a DPS test. Undaunted not leveled and Mages guild not leveled. Destroyed my stamblade time without even trying....0 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Stamblade can roll out from fight without getting damage, add "new awesome" bone shield(earlier it was sorc privilege) and he can run off from almost every battle just because of stacking things which was considered as OP at least from v1.6.YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »Death stroke should hit hard!! Its called death for a reason, right!!
Edit:
Now, incap strike and soul harvest have their uses for Stam/ Magi NB.
So, do nerf them.....
Anyways, NB as many counters..........
Stamblade can't cloak for long and Magiblade can't give a decent burst compared to Stambuilds( like 1 shooting without an effort, they have to do a lot of rotations to get that burst)
So, its all good in my eyes.Edited by Sugaroverdose on April 27, 2016 2:55PM1 -
elium85✭✭✭Good'ole @Elevenstorm, the master of sarcasm!
What leaderboards are you referring to? When I look at them I see 0 Stamblades on them and the class distribution is pretty balanced (SO, vDSA, HRC, AA).Edited by elium85 on April 27, 2016 2:57PM0 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
DPS you say? Magdk damage mostly is counterable, stamblade can hit you with 3 attacks instantly before you even can react. Don't try to apply pve "DPS" term to PVP it's just stupid.Elevenstorm wrote: »Elevenstorm wrote: »You guys are entirely missing the fact that without this, Stamblades are one of the worst PvE DD's. Making the NB skills do Physical Damage and scale off Mighty is the only way to balance their DPS output in group PvE.
Can't disagree with this more. I am a stamina PvE NB DD and I rek.
Stamina DKs/Templars rek more
We'll see if this patch along with execute & relentless focus scaling with mighty will help alleviate the issue (though other classes got huge buffs as well)
Yeah, elium and I are in the same guild. should have added a /sarcasm at the end there. I recently leveled a dunmer magicka dk (cake baby) and did a DPS test. Undaunted not leveled and Mages guild not leveled. Destroyed my stamblade time without even trying....1 -
PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thats because they made it into Disease dmg which gets the +25% dmg withiut considering how cheap and easy it is to get that ultimate up.
They fked it up again but its a good thing i have a nb. I can already smell the cheese a mile away... Heavy att>ambush>fear>incap strike for 20k lul.
But its ok, i have a nb too. If ppl want to cheese me, ill cheese right back.Edited by PainfulFAFA on April 27, 2016 3:07PM1 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Good'ole @Elevenstorm, the master of sarcasm!
What leaderboards are you referring to? When I look at them I see 0 Stamblades on them and the class distribution is pretty balanced (SO, vDSA, HRC, AA).
PVP dude, i don't care fighting bot0 -
Elevenstorm✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Thats because they made it into Disease dmg which gets the +25% dmg withiut considering how cheap and easy it is to get that ultimate up.
They fked it up again but its a good think i have nb. If ppl want to cheese me, ill cheese them right back.
Interesting point. I'll counter with magicka users have had their ults buffed with +25% cp star. Magicka DPS has been far superior to stamina DPS for a long time. Unfortunately, PvE is a part of the game. Can't ignore it.0 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭To be fair, overload is hitting me for much more than Soul Harvest/Incap - and the worst part is that the burst is not over after that Overload hits you once.
Now, this is usually no problem in 1v1, but when you're fighting other people and there are sorcs with 20k shield throwing overloads at you... well, I'd much rather take several incaps or soul harvests at that point.
I don't know why they made Incap to stun at any % range though, it seemed more balanced before.
Now it basicly rewards Xv1 gankers more, as they can always stun you with it.
Welcome back brother.
Like every PTS, people can't resist the chance to whine about Nightblades. The saddest thing is they always leave out history and or the other classes which do more or the same damage threshold. He is obviously crying from Stamplar standpoint which just got buffed to hell with Dawnbreaker. Not seeing anything about that, forgive me while I laugh at my 12k+14k+ tooltip of Dawnbreaker in Cyrodiil. Something I can weave and AC flawlessly (no pun) and melt ANYONE. But yes, lets focus on Nightblades. The only thing broken right now are Stam Sorcs which are absolute trash now.
Good to see you back on the forums, might want to bring a swimsuit, the tears are going to flood.
Hehe, nice to be back - this place hasn't changed one bit
To be honest, I can relate with the part of the argument about the skill doing a bit too much.
The damage is fine (as mentioned, other skills do the same) - but I can see the CC becoming extremely annoying (as in, not fun) in PvP when combined with that damage and a healing debuff.
Imagine you're doing some 1vX fighting multiple people - suddenly there's a very cheap cost ultimate that stuns you, takes a decent chunk of your health & applies a healing debuff on you.
It's less of a problem for builds that can kite enemies & avoid damage by roll dodging a lot, but I really don't want to get hit by that when playing on a magicka templar or magicka DK - it's pretty much a death sentence with the CC. It's a rare occasion when you wish there were still Wrecking Blows around to get CC immunity from
I'd rather see them replace the CC with a DoT, or making it stealth you for a few seconds like I wrote above :P
Normally I would side with you regarding the stun, however almost everyone who is good (especially stam) run Shuffle. With the changes to Dodge Roll and the fact Shuffle is still OP, you are going to be missing even more attacks on people who spam roll. It is quite the norm to see groups of people upwards of 10 chasing one stamplar or Stam DK around fixtures and pillars while he rolls and vigors while having Shuffle active.
I know a lot of people will switch from WB to Dizzying Swing. So the CC will still be there. Also Dawnbreaker now has a knockdown. It has KD and a metric ****-ton of damage.
Personally I don't think we should balance this game around 1vX. As a NB I feel I should be able to dispatch my target quickly if needed. There are so many counters to stealth play and so many ways to mitigate damage now, for once I feel a change like this to be a breath of fresh air. Up until now the only NB that could kill me was a Magicka NB, stamblades got destroyed by all my characters.
edit: Regardless to my opinion I do see your point and from your perspective agree. This is one of those "damned if you, damned if you don't" things.Edited by Xael on April 27, 2016 3:14PMI got killed in pvp, nerf everything...1 -
PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭Elevenstorm wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »Thats because they made it into Disease dmg which gets the +25% dmg withiut considering how cheap and easy it is to get that ultimate up.
They fked it up again but its a good think i have nb. If ppl want to cheese me, ill cheese them right back.
Interesting point. I'll counter with magicka users have had their ults buffed with +25% cp star. Magicka DPS has been far superior to stamina DPS for a long time. Unfortunately, PvE is a part of the game. Can't ignore it.
In PvE that 16k ult will hit for 32k+.... And thats with pvp gear lolol.
As for magicka based ults, name 1 magicka ult that does 16k right off the bat, is cheap, applies major defile, and always knocks down....
The highest ive seen a meteor is 20-25k, dawn breaker at 16kish, and overloads at 20k-25k.
Incap strike does much MUCH more than all those combined.
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Kupoking✭✭✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »houimetub17_ESO wrote: »On my nb, Ive got
-maxed out wp dmg with all high wp dmg sets with wp dmg enchants everywhere
-sharpened weapons
-use dw for more dmg
-full buff my dmg with skills
-am an orc so got wp dmg passive at well as extra stam
-got 30k stam on drinks and 17k hp
-maxed out cp on dmg and crit dmg
For me to hit 16k incp strike I need:
-a target with no bubbles up
-a target with inexistent impen
-a target with less than 8k armor
-a target with almost no cp in physical resist
-empower from ambush
And you got it.
On players with full impen med armor it goes to 10-12k if im lucky
Read first page, people have more than 15k resist, so your words are not consistent with their.
Also, brew "new awesome" poisons and you'll get even more one shots.
Im stating my own facts. I wont blindly believe everyone.
Eso forum 101 bud
edit : the ''people'' you speak of is 1 personEdited by Kupoking on April 27, 2016 3:29PM0
