So magicka builds can proxy det whole raids for 15k+ with a standard skill and now are crying 'cos a stamina build might be able to hit one person with an ultimate for similar damage?? And you want to be taken seriously while saying it?

Seriously needing the LOL button back.

You guys are entirely missing the fact that without this, Stamblades are one of the worst PvE DD's. Making the NB skills do Physical Damage and scale off Mighty is the only way to balance their DPS output in group PvE.

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Goresnort wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Goresnort wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Goresnort wrote: »

Simple solution

Swap Soul Harvest to be the morph that does physical dmg

My pve stam blade supports this

It won't change anything except nerfing magblades, they have completely the same damage tooltip

But but, my lovely magblade will have scaling damage with incap strike in pvp again

It's sooo nice yum yum

Soul harvest is just better for magblades in any comparison, no-one prevents you from using lotus+concealed+soul harvest which after kill will instantly refill.

That's exactly why it would make my stamblade happy My stamblade prefers soul harvest

My stamblade is very selfish. It wants this very bad

That's how balance in game @Wrobel do: 'it would be cool that stamblades will kill instantly even tanks go to invis and instantly kill another target'
But it would be cool/awesome/etc isn't good word when you talk about abilities which you must balance.

Stamina was OP already and incap strike/soul harvest already did good damage, now, game just completely broken and there's no reason to play in magicka or tank or both - they completely [snip] up.

New pvp era of stamblades "don't get out of hide or you'll get instantly destroyed"

Awww, my stamblade very sad now

My stamblade don't understand logic

Why my magblade having scaling damage component of her ultimate = balance?

Why my stamblade not having scaling damage component of his ultimate = balance?

My stamblade so confused now. It just wants nice things like magblade

Lyar09 wrote: »

Okay explain this then. I have 15% mitigation from cp...8% damage mitigation with restoring focus...18k physical resist....and 2.3k crit resist and I get hit for 10k plus incap strikes. Most people dont mitigate damage anywhere near what I do and I still get ridiculously hard. This is not balance. The ability is fine as is with damage on live. I like the knock down mechanic now

Soul harvest for mageblades hits for the same. Nobody complained about that...

It's balanced.

Btw death stroke is easy to dodge. You sometimes don't even need a roll dodge to avoid the dmg, just sprint out of the way. The fact that you can completely avoid its damage justifies the low cost.

Death stroke should hit hard!! Its called death for a reason, right!!
Edit:
Now, incap strike and soul harvest have their uses for Stam/ Magi NB.
So, do nerf them.....

Anyways, NB as many counters..........
Stamblade can't cloak for long and Magiblade can't give a decent burst compared to Stambuilds( like 1 shooting without an effort, they have to do a lot of rotations to get that burst)

So, its all good in my eyes.

elium85 wrote: »

You guys are entirely missing the fact that without this, Stamblades are one of the worst PvE DD's. Making the NB skills do Physical Damage and scale off Mighty is the only way to balance their DPS output in group PvE.

Can't disagree with this more. I am a stamina PvE NB DD and I rek.

elium85 wrote: »

Good'ole @Elevenstorm, the master of sarcasm!

What leaderboards are you referring to? When I look at them I see 0 Stamblades on them and the class distribution is pretty balanced (SO, vDSA, HRC, AA).

PVP dude, i don't care fighting bot

DDuke wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

To be fair, overload is hitting me for much more than Soul Harvest/Incap - and the worst part is that the burst is not over after that Overload hits you once.

Now, this is usually no problem in 1v1, but when you're fighting other people and there are sorcs with 20k shield throwing overloads at you... well, I'd much rather take several incaps or soul harvests at that point.


I don't know why they made Incap to stun at any % range though, it seemed more balanced before.
Now it basicly rewards Xv1 gankers more, as they can always stun you with it.

Welcome back brother.

Like every PTS, people can't resist the chance to whine about Nightblades. The saddest thing is they always leave out history and or the other classes which do more or the same damage threshold. He is obviously crying from Stamplar standpoint which just got buffed to hell with Dawnbreaker. Not seeing anything about that, forgive me while I laugh at my 12k+14k+ tooltip of Dawnbreaker in Cyrodiil. Something I can weave and AC flawlessly (no pun) and melt ANYONE. But yes, lets focus on Nightblades. The only thing broken right now are Stam Sorcs which are absolute trash now.

Good to see you back on the forums, might want to bring a swimsuit, the tears are going to flood.

Hehe, nice to be back - this place hasn't changed one bit


To be honest, I can relate with the part of the argument about the skill doing a bit too much.

The damage is fine (as mentioned, other skills do the same) - but I can see the CC becoming extremely annoying (as in, not fun) in PvP when combined with that damage and a healing debuff.
Imagine you're doing some 1vX fighting multiple people - suddenly there's a very cheap cost ultimate that stuns you, takes a decent chunk of your health & applies a healing debuff on you.

It's less of a problem for builds that can kite enemies & avoid damage by roll dodging a lot, but I really don't want to get hit by that when playing on a magicka templar or magicka DK - it's pretty much a death sentence with the CC. It's a rare occasion when you wish there were still Wrecking Blows around to get CC immunity from


I'd rather see them replace the CC with a DoT, or making it stealth you for a few seconds like I wrote above :P

Normally I would side with you regarding the stun, however almost everyone who is good (especially stam) run Shuffle. With the changes to Dodge Roll and the fact Shuffle is still OP, you are going to be missing even more attacks on people who spam roll. It is quite the norm to see groups of people upwards of 10 chasing one stamplar or Stam DK around fixtures and pillars while he rolls and vigors while having Shuffle active.

I know a lot of people will switch from WB to Dizzying Swing. So the CC will still be there. Also Dawnbreaker now has a knockdown. It has KD and a metric ****-ton of damage.

Personally I don't think we should balance this game around 1vX. As a NB I feel I should be able to dispatch my target quickly if needed. There are so many counters to stealth play and so many ways to mitigate damage now, for once I feel a change like this to be a breath of fresh air. Up until now the only NB that could kill me was a Magicka NB, stamblades got destroyed by all my characters.

edit: Regardless to my opinion I do see your point and from your perspective agree. This is one of those "damned if you, damned if you don't" things.

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

On my nb, Ive got
-maxed out wp dmg with all high wp dmg sets with wp dmg enchants everywhere
-sharpened weapons
-use dw for more dmg
-full buff my dmg with skills
-am an orc so got wp dmg passive at well as extra stam
-got 30k stam on drinks and 17k hp
-maxed out cp on dmg and crit dmg

For me to hit 16k incp strike I need:
-a target with no bubbles up
-a target with inexistent impen
-a target with less than 8k armor
-a target with almost no cp in physical resist
-empower from ambush

And you got it.

On players with full impen med armor it goes to 10-12k if im lucky

Read first page, people have more than 15k resist, so your words are not consistent with their.
Also, brew "new awesome" poisons and you'll get even more one shots.

Im stating my own facts. I wont blindly believe everyone.

Eso forum 101 bud

edit : the ''people'' you speak of is 1 person