Typhoios wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Why do people want to hide things? People seem to be so against seeing CP, dps meters etc... If you are a bad player people will know you are a bad player even if they don't see your CP or dps numbers.

Hiding things that are not certain and have little value other than prejudice needs to not be displayed.

CP is not a character level for one
It's also not a determination of how strong, effective or any capability of a player.

Think of what plays not this...skill points, skill ranks, morphs, weapon, armor and skill line unlocks.
Cp has a potential to enhance certain things but then u would need to see stat PTS, skill PTS, skill rank, CP Passives, gear, enchants and all this just to get an idea of their capability.

Since none of that is happening showing CP only is there for prejudice.
Show 50 and maybe brackets for each 100 cp gained and move one.
And with the brackets....that's still questionable

I would support seeing more info on other characters. I'd be fine with an inspect option. It seems like a lot of people are super secretive though.

It's really not that ppl are super secretive. Ppl just don't want to deal with pride, prejudice and elitism.

The only value of someone else seeing what you have is to compare, or segregate. Have you ever been in a group and that if determined a group or bad group?

Nope. Too many other factors

If you run in random groups you will have to deal with it though. If you aren't pulling your weight, the "elitist" will know. Maybe I am out of touch because I usually run with friends and guildies, but I've never been shy of sharing my gear/skills/cp/dps etc... with anyone. I don't see why you would want to hide it. If people don't want to do content with people with <200 CP, they should be able to make that choice.

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Account names were visible to everyone before this, what's the issue? If you follow password security then you will have no issues.

As for CP, again, I fail to see the issue. People focus on the "I won't get grouped with because I have 300 CP" aspect but conveniently neglect the reserve situation of "I'm a good player who knows my class/role well and despite only having 250 CP I get grouped with a lot".

I'm in a good guild and so I get called an elitist. The crux of the matter is I could not care less if you have 100 CP or 1,000 CP because almost all content in the game can be completed with 100 CP and everything except vMOL can be done with zero champion points if you are skilled enough.

Anyone who does call you out for low CP isn't someone worth playing with anyway.

Bravo, bravo! Unlike popular belief would have you (other readers) think, most of us so called "elitests" think this same exact way. We know player skill and mechanical prowess is king to gear/cp/etc when it comes to the majority of content. People who tell you that you NEED a certain CP level to group with them are simply wanna-be's who need their ego boosted since they know they're 2nd rate. I tell many people who ask me for information that while CP does certainly help, it will not make or break your ability to do content more times than not, assuming you are willing to learn from deaths and mistakes. I've done vMA with 0 CP just to say I've done it, and while it's definitely harder, it is not impossible. It's the same as it is in any MMO; people asking for groups and forcing players to link achievements and whatnot are merely players who know they need to get carried or are just narrow minded. I pug content plenty of times and I vastly prefer to run with a group of "noobs" that actually listen to my tips and tricks for content/builds than to run with some guy who thinks he's the best player in the world and refuses to listen to advice despite pulling subpar numbers and dying every pull.

It's those who act like elites who aren't thus the "elitism" negative connotation. Not players who are actually elite as you point out

Exactly, so why care if some random guy who thinks he's better than he is doesn't want to group with you? Those people are a waste of time and don't add anything to the game or the community other than toxicity. People like that will always exist, regardless of if CP numbers are shown. I really prefer this so then players are at least forced to be honest, or they risk being discovered for a fraud. Like I said, most of us don't mind grouping with players under CP cap, as long as they show willingness to learn or capability to do so. This whole situation is being blown out of proportion, the so called elitists that bar players off from joining their groups are so far and few that it doesn't matter. It's just like radicalism, taking a minority of a population and focusing on them just because they're loud makes it seem like a group of people are worse than they really are. That kind of thinking needs to be abandoned.

tinythinker wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't agree with @username showing on the screen.

As far as CP rank, it just make it public information how much time you have spent on the game / grind IMO, not much more.

That's OK, just don't make my /played time visible...

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I actually would like it that way.
I learned my veteran dungeons while I was noob and my teammates was noobs, I never got carried by extreme high dps and experienced players.

I have done every veteran dungeon maybe 200 times each idk, I think I deserved to rush through a pledge in 7 mins with 3 dd and one heal without feeling Im leaving players outside.

Im not interested either to be stuck in vet prison for 3 hours either, so yeah I totally understand why people want experienced players, its their personal spare time they are using on the game. If you want to learn how to do a dungeon, do it with guild mates or friends or other first timers. Make sure you have a couple of hours and start early in the evening or something, grab a beer and have fun.

But Im done with that and would like speed runs pl0x

tinythinker wrote: »

NovaMarx wrote: »

Jokes aside. I think generally showing CPs is a bad idea. It just creates a whole new type of elitism. Part of removing veteran ranks is to remove some of the elitism/divide that exists already.

That's what some players thought/wanted, but ZOS has generally indicated that they wanted some horizontal dimensions to their vertical progression and to reduce the grind through veteran ranks that so many people complained about. Hence the touting of the removal of vet ranks as allowing you a faster sense of progression since you will earn champion points more quickly than you did vet ranks. You only have to hit level 50 on an alt now to get them up to speed with your highest progression character. That's the big point from ZOS's perspective, at least in what they've said publicly.

So long as there is vertical progression there will be elitism because that is how some players are going to think and act. If ZOS hides CR, there will be some other thing such players will want to see, such as titles/achievements. I don't mind either way -- hide CR or show CR. If hiding CR helps a little with making it harder for players to discriminate based on progression, then great. But the Champion System was never going to reign in the elitists or their attitudes.

DjSolJAH wrote: »

This whole thread makes me think of dudes not wanting other dudes to see their "stuff" in the locker room cause someone may have more "stuff"....