Why should I be forced to play with people doing sub par damage just because they don't want to spend the time to get CP? I would actually be extremely disappointed if I couldn't see how many CP someone was, that would be like not knowing what Vet Rank someone was, lets go do V16 ICP but who knows if this guy is V1 or V16? It will be a suprise! *** that.

Honestly, I'm liking this new change a lot. Easier to weed out the people who can't pull their weight in groups. I rarely pug, but when I do need a player or two, I don't want to waste my time in the dungeon trying to find out whether or not they can dps.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can't say I am a fan of having my @ name prominent for everyone to always see, but I'm kind of old fashioned in that I dislike unwanted intrusion into the private sphere.

For people worried about this, it's already available with little effort to those who want the information. It's kind of like having your curtains open, leaving the front door unlocked, and talking loudly before you head out on the town about how no one else is home, but after you get to your destination worrying that your porch light is off and because of *that* someone might try to break in and steal from you.

I mean, I get why people might be worried, but it's already super-easy to get your account name. If this is a concern people have in terms of potential account fraud, violation of privacy, etc, just know that you've been letting that information hang out there with easy access for a looong time. That link I gave explains why and how you can ask ZOS to make the game more secure. Or you can relax and not worry about it since you've been cool with it this long.

My main problem is showing @names is taking away from the game -- I want to pretend that the char is part of the world and get into the game. Let us face the fact, most @names are not even remotely close to be lore friendly. At least, chars names, most people to be lore friendly with those....

Jokes aside. I think generally showing CPs is a bad idea. It just creates a whole new type of elitism. Part of removing veteran ranks is to remove some of the elitism/divide that exists already. There are already a lot of players who discriminate due to level, and going from showing levels to CP won't change this. Like others have stated, it'll just make people focus too much on the points, and not the players themselves.

Also, how many CPs I have is nobody's business - kinda like how many skill points I have, and what I choose to use my points on. It just seems a weird change....

Why do people want to hide things? People seem to be so against seeing CP, dps meters etc... If you are a bad player people will know you are a bad player even if they don't see your CP or dps numbers.

NovaMarx wrote: »

Jokes aside. I think generally showing CPs is a bad idea. It just creates a whole new type of elitism. Part of removing veteran ranks is to remove some of the elitism/divide that exists already. There are already a lot of players who discriminate due to level, and going from showing levels to CP won't change this. Like others have stated, it'll just make people focus too much on the points, and not the players themselves.

Also, how many CPs I have is nobody's business - kinda like how many skill points I have, and what I choose to use my points on. It just seems a weird change....

Exactly.
I do think the level 50 with brackets and such make the most sense

Typhoios wrote: »

Why do people want to hide things? People seem to be so against seeing CP, dps meters etc... If you are a bad player people will know you are a bad player even if they don't see your CP or dps numbers.

Hiding things that are not certain and have little value other than prejudice needs to not be displayed.

CP is not a character level for one
It's also not a determination of how strong, effective or any capability of a player.

Think of what plays not this...skill points, skill ranks, morphs, weapon, armor and skill line unlocks.
Cp has a potential to enhance certain things but then u would need to see stat PTS, skill PTS, skill rank, CP Passives, gear, enchants and all this just to get an idea of their capability.

Since none of that is happening showing CP only is there for prejudice.
Show 50 and maybe brackets for each 100 cp gained and move one.
And with the brackets....that's still questionable

Typhoios wrote: »

Why do people want to hide things? People seem to be so against seeing CP, dps meters etc... If you are a bad player people will know you are a bad player even if they don't see your CP or dps numbers.

That's precisely the reason why there's no point relaying those to others.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

I think the CP number display is ugly. Also it's irrelevant to see that someone has 700 or 800 CP's next to their name when they currently can assign only 501 of them.

Can't they find some attractive symbol to put up there to show 100 point ranges or so up to usage cap? I get that if you're doing competitive content you want to make sure your team members have CP's but the current display is just not attractive.

How about 50 with brackets for every 100 CPs like guards? Then color and detail change as they increase.

Yes, that would look so much better than just slapping a number up there and calling it a day.

Paulington wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

My main problem is showing @names is taking away from the game -- I want to pretend that the char is part of the world and get into the game. Let us face the fact, most @names are not even remotely close to be lore friendly. At least, chars names, most people to be lore friendly with those....

Good news, you can prefer character names instead using the in-game options.

A lot of people seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill here.

That's for nameplates. This is for the basic info you see when looking at a character who is next to you. Instead of just character name and an alliance rank and whatever title is selected (if any), it now also shows CR instead of VR and gives the @ -accountname as well. That's what has some folks so bothered.

Paulington wrote: »

Account names were visible to everyone before this, what's the issue? If you follow password security then you will have no issues.

As for CP, again, I fail to see the issue. People focus on the "I won't get grouped with because I have 300 CP" aspect but conveniently neglect the reserve situation of "I'm a good player who knows my class/role well and despite only having 250 CP I get grouped with a lot".

I'm in a good guild and so I get called an elitist. The crux of the matter is I could not care less if you have 100 CP or 1,000 CP because almost all content in the game can be completed with 100 CP and everything except vMOL can be done with zero champion points if you are skilled enough.

Anyone who does call you out for low CP isn't someone worth playing with anyway.

Bravo, bravo! Unlike popular belief would have you (other readers) think, most of us so called "elitests" think this same exact way. We know player skill and mechanical prowess is king to gear/cp/etc when it comes to the majority of content. People who tell you that you NEED a certain CP level to group with them are simply wanna-be's who need their ego boosted since they know they're 2nd rate. I tell many people who ask me for information that while CP does certainly help, it will not make or break your ability to do content more times than not, assuming you are willing to learn from deaths and mistakes. I've done vMA with 0 CP just to say I've done it, and while it's definitely harder, it is not impossible. It's the same as it is in any MMO; people asking for groups and forcing players to link achievements and whatnot are merely players who know they need to get carried or are just narrow minded. I pug content plenty of times and I vastly prefer to run with a group of "noobs" that actually listen to my tips and tricks for content/builds than to run with some guy who thinks he's the best player in the world and refuses to listen to advice despite pulling subpar numbers and dying every pull.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Why do people want to hide things? People seem to be so against seeing CP, dps meters etc... If you are a bad player people will know you are a bad player even if they don't see your CP or dps numbers.

Hiding things that are not certain and have little value other than prejudice needs to not be displayed.

CP is not a character level for one
It's also not a determination of how strong, effective or any capability of a player.

Think of what plays not this...skill points, skill ranks, morphs, weapon, armor and skill line unlocks.
Cp has a potential to enhance certain things but then u would need to see stat PTS, skill PTS, skill rank, CP Passives, gear, enchants and all this just to get an idea of their capability.

Since none of that is happening showing CP only is there for prejudice.
Show 50 and maybe brackets for each 100 cp gained and move one.
And with the brackets....that's still questionable

I would support seeing more info on other characters. I'd be fine with an inspect option. It seems like a lot of people are super secretive though.

It's really not that ppl are super secretive. Ppl just don't want to deal with pride, prejudice and elitism.

The only value of someone else seeing what you have is to compare, or segregate. Have you ever been in a group and that if determined a group or bad group?

Nope. Too many other factors

If you run in random groups you will have to deal with it though. If you aren't pulling your weight, the "elitist" will know. Maybe I am out of touch because I usually run with friends and guildies, but I've never been shy of sharing my gear/skills/cp/dps etc... with anyone. I don't see why you would want to hide it. If people don't want to do content with people with <200 CP, they should be able to make that choice.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Account names were visible to everyone before this, what's the issue? If you follow password security then you will have no issues.

As for CP, again, I fail to see the issue. People focus on the "I won't get grouped with because I have 300 CP" aspect but conveniently neglect the reserve situation of "I'm a good player who knows my class/role well and despite only having 250 CP I get grouped with a lot".

I'm in a good guild and so I get called an elitist. The crux of the matter is I could not care less if you have 100 CP or 1,000 CP because almost all content in the game can be completed with 100 CP and everything except vMOL can be done with zero champion points if you are skilled enough.

Anyone who does call you out for low CP isn't someone worth playing with anyway.

Bravo, bravo! Unlike popular belief would have you (other readers) think, most of us so called "elitests" think this same exact way. We know player skill and mechanical prowess is king to gear/cp/etc when it comes to the majority of content. People who tell you that you NEED a certain CP level to group with them are simply wanna-be's who need their ego boosted since they know they're 2nd rate. I tell many people who ask me for information that while CP does certainly help, it will not make or break your ability to do content more times than not, assuming you are willing to learn from deaths and mistakes. I've done vMA with 0 CP just to say I've done it, and while it's definitely harder, it is not impossible. It's the same as it is in any MMO; people asking for groups and forcing players to link achievements and whatnot are merely players who know they need to get carried or are just narrow minded. I pug content plenty of times and I vastly prefer to run with a group of "noobs" that actually listen to my tips and tricks for content/builds than to run with some guy who thinks he's the best player in the world and refuses to listen to advice despite pulling subpar numbers and dying every pull.

It's those who act like elites who aren't thus the "elitism" negative connotation. Not players who are actually elite as you point out

Exactly, so why care if some random guy who thinks he's better than he is doesn't want to group with you? Those people are a waste of time and don't add anything to the game or the community other than toxicity. People like that will always exist, regardless of if CP numbers are shown. I really prefer this so then players are at least forced to be honest, or they risk being discovered for a fraud. Like I said, most of us don't mind grouping with players under CP cap, as long as they show willingness to learn or capability to do so. This whole situation is being blown out of proportion, the so called elitists that bar players off from joining their groups are so far and few that it doesn't matter. It's just like radicalism, taking a minority of a population and focusing on them just because they're loud makes it seem like a group of people are worse than they really are. That kind of thinking needs to be abandoned.

I don't agree with @username showing on the screen.

As far as CP rank, it just make it public information how much time you have spent on the game / grind IMO, not much more.