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Crating Bag Exclusivity is Unfair
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »I just want to know why all of you are saying "I pay my 15 dollars a month"?
Wouldn't it be more financially responsible to be on the 6 month plan?
No.I dont want to have to pay 6 months.I prefer to pay monthly.It isnt anyone else's responsibility to say it is more financially responsible". Many people dont happen to have $90.00 at once to plop down.For them,it's more financially viable to pay monthly.
(And before anyone says "if you cant afford it,you shouldnt be playing",you shouldnt be attempting to tell others what they should or should not be doing with their money.)
A question mark indicates looking for information. I did tell you how to spend your money. Also it is misinformation to say it is 90 dollars for 6 months as the rate is 12.99/mo for 6 months. Yes I guess I am nitpicking over 12 dollars.
But I am not debating that with you anymore. This really is all about money and it will come down to where ZOS is making their money in the future.
My opinion is it will end up in the store. It will not upset me if someone is able to buy what I got included in my sub. To me it is really no different than a DLC.
It wont upset me at all either. I think it should have been said this was the way for it to be,rather than just an exclusive.I appreciate that ZOS is giving us those bags,but I do feel bad for those who wont be getting them.We do still have tile though for ZOS to change their minds.
Let's cross our fingers.
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭I'm not directly mad at subbers, I am mad at ZOS for this poor decision and the twisted viewpoints that nonsubbers shouldn't have access to this bag simply because they don't sub.
Yes, after all, we don't want a 'for profit' company to offer something that entices more consistent sales... which a subscription is. A 'once and done' purchase does not continue to generate revenue over time... a subscription does. Offering the 'unlimited' crafting bag for subscribers is a way to generate more revenue over time.
This doesn't address my point at all. A 'once and done' purchase generally falls within price range of 1 month of subbing, yet ZOS loses nearly the equivalent amount of sub cost in giving free crowns. I'm really not gonna get into "who pays ZOS more" because only ZOS knows the true numbers. I will say predictable income is much easier to plan things with than non-predictable income, but income is income.
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Let me explain this a slightly different way using this comparison. When they changed the payment model to B2P and made subscriptions optional:
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
1. ZOS did not reduce the amount of gold dropped by mobs.
2. ZOS did not increase research times.
3. ZOS did not reduce XP gains.
Here is what they did do: They started introducing large quantities of new crafting materials with every update, without increasing the maximum amount of bank space available for purchase. They did increase bag space for individual characters, which was helpful. But not account wide bank space (upgrades for which can be purchased for crowns, up to a maximum cap).
The only way to solve an inventory management problem that was intentionally created by the company to inconvenience people is to purchase a subscription. It is the only subscription bonus that was created specifically by doing something to intentionally inconvenience players. And that is distasteful.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »how you're more deserving to be treat differently
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The subscriber's money is money that comes in every month, paid in advance. Nobody can know when or if a b2per will make a Crown purchase, if ever.
This is why ZOS is attempting to entice people to subscribe - for regular assured amounts of money.
Stop taking it so personally. For a start you are only one person with the stated spending habits, for every one of you there could be 100x more people who have never bought a Crown pack at all, and only ever bought the base game.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
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We aren't. None of the sub-only benefits I mentioned were available to anyone prior to ESO:TU.
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
I didn't think we were arguing points prior to ESO:TU.
Your complaint was based on the argument that ESO+ players are being offered something that can't be purchased with crowns, and that this was somehow a change in the current paradigm. It is not. Currently (as in right now, today), subs already get access to multiple things that non-subs cannot get at any price. That standard is not changing with the DB update. The only thing that's new is the inclusion of just one additional thing that ESO+ subs will get that non-subs can't.
That's my point, those perks launched WITH ESO:TU, so they were already decided upon before the crown store even existed/launched. So if we're talking from the start of ESO:TU, then yes my point still stands. I still have yet to see a valid reason as to why nonsubs shouldn't have access to these bags. The only "reason" I keep seeing is: ESO+ has sucked forever it's about time they added something to it. So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Cause there is no valid reason (sorry to jump in )
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?5 -
Jesh✭✭✭ESO Plus needs something extra (hence the 'Plus'). The crafting bags are definitely the best incentive to be a subscriber, and the preexisting perks of being a sub were a little lackluster.
Hopefully this leads to more game subscribers.DK Stam DPS
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Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?
I'm curious... why sub for 2 years if there was no reason... I thought you were all "supporting" the game 2 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?
That's fantastic that ZOS is rewarding subbers, but intentionally making it exclusive to subscriptions is punishing to non-subscribers. I'm not asking to be rewarded with a free crafting bag like subscribers are getting, I'm asking for the option to buy.
The part in which you quoted was out of context as well, it was referring to the viewpoint of many subbers in this thread.
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Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
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Let me explain this a slightly different way using this comparison. When they changed the payment model to B2P and made subscriptions optional:
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
1. ZOS did not reduce the amount of gold dropped by mobs.
2. ZOS did not increase research times.
3. ZOS did not reduce XP gains.
Here is what they did do: They started introducing large quantities of new crafting materials with every update, without increasing the maximum amount of bank space available for purchase. They did increase bag space for individual characters, which was helpful. But not account wide bank space (upgrades for which can be purchased for crowns, up to a maximum cap).
The only way to solve an inventory management problem that was intentionally created by the company to inconvenience people is to purchase a subscription. It is the only subscription bonus that was created specifically by doing something to intentionally inconvenience players. And that is distasteful.
How did you decide what ZOS was thinking when they made the bags for Subbers? How can you know they did it to "intentionally inconvenience players"? What insider info did you get?
People make these judgmental statements when they have no idea other than their own personal assumptions.
And that is distasteful.
Also,it doesnt make people think you have an "in" on how ZOS thinks.
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?
...I'm asking for the option to buy.
That would remove the entire point of this bag - to make people require a subscription to retain access to the extra space.
Again, how do you not see this?4 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Everyone is taking it personally, could it be instead this is an economic decision?4 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?
...I'm asking for the option to buy.
That would remove the entire point of this bag - to make people require a subscription to retain access to the extra space.
Again, how do you not see this?
How do you not see that we're arguing the very "point" you just listed? The thread title is "Crating(lol) Bag Exclusivity is unfair"
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Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
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Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
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The crown store and ESO:TU happened at (basically) the same time. The whole ESO game model shifted from being a solely sub-based game (as in, without a sub you get nothing) to an optional-sub game with a cash shop. Just because the cash shop wasn't quite ready to go Day One, doesn't mean it wasn't an integral part of the same plan.
We aren't. None of the sub-only benefits I mentioned were available to anyone prior to ESO:TU.
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
I didn't think we were arguing points prior to ESO:TU.
Your complaint was based on the argument that ESO+ players are being offered something that can't be purchased with crowns, and that this was somehow a change in the current paradigm. It is not. Currently (as in right now, today), subs already get access to multiple things that non-subs cannot get at any price. That standard is not changing with the DB update. The only thing that's new is the inclusion of just one additional thing that ESO+ subs will get that non-subs can't.
That's my point, those perks launched WITH ESO:TU, so they were already decided upon before the crown store even existed/launched. So if we're talking from the start of ESO:TU, then yes my point still stands. I still have yet to see a valid reason as to why nonsubs shouldn't have access to these bags. The only "reason" I keep seeing is: ESO+ has sucked forever it's about time they added something to it. So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Since ESO:TU's inception, the plan was to offer a-la-carte items in a cash shop to all players, and "rent" certain things to players that were willing to pay a regular sub fee. Some of the items that are rented to ESO+ subs (i.e. the DLCs) are also optionally purchasable, for people that don't want to pay a regular fee. Other things that are "rented" to subs (10% bonuses to gold/exp/research times), are not offered in the cash shop. Likewise, there are many, many items for sale in the cash shop that ESO+ subs can't get without paying for them like everyone else.
Over the last year, many new items have been offered in the cash shop, in an attempt to get players to spend more money there. This may be the first time a new perk has been offered to ESO+ subs, but there's absolutely nothing "unfair" about them choosing to add yet one more perk to the sub. They are just trying to get people to spend more money using their other option.
I'm really quite sorry if players such as you can't see why there's absolutely nothing wrong with what they are doing.
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✭So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?
...I'm asking for the option to buy.
That would remove the entire point of this bag - to make people require a subscription to retain access to the extra space.
Again, how do you not see this?
No, I think the point of the bag is to be used in crafting.0 -
Asherons_Call✭✭✭✭✭
✭strikeback1247 wrote: »I still haven't gotten an answer to my simple question:
What are you people hoarding??!!! How did you fill up a full bank and 8 character inventories?!
Everything. Lol
Crafting mats take up a couple of characters
Set pieces take up a couple of characters
Potions, maps, surveys take up another
Clothing takes up another (not armor, clothing)1 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭
The crown store and ESO:TU happened at (basically) the same time. The whole ESO game model shifted from being a solely sub-based game (as in, without a sub you get nothing) to an optional-sub game with a cash shop. Just because the cash shop wasn't quite ready to go Day One, doesn't mean it wasn't an integral part of the same plan.
We aren't. None of the sub-only benefits I mentioned were available to anyone prior to ESO:TU.
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
I didn't think we were arguing points prior to ESO:TU.
Your complaint was based on the argument that ESO+ players are being offered something that can't be purchased with crowns, and that this was somehow a change in the current paradigm. It is not. Currently (as in right now, today), subs already get access to multiple things that non-subs cannot get at any price. That standard is not changing with the DB update. The only thing that's new is the inclusion of just one additional thing that ESO+ subs will get that non-subs can't.
That's my point, those perks launched WITH ESO:TU, so they were already decided upon before the crown store even existed/launched. So if we're talking from the start of ESO:TU, then yes my point still stands. I still have yet to see a valid reason as to why nonsubs shouldn't have access to these bags. The only "reason" I keep seeing is: ESO+ has sucked forever it's about time they added something to it. So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Since ESO:TU's inception, the plan was to offer a-la-carte items in a cash shop to all players, and "rent" certain things to players that were willing to pay a regular sub fee. Some of the items that are rented to ESO+ subs (i.e. the DLCs) are also optionally purchasable, for people that don't want to pay a regular fee. Other things that are "rented" to subs (10% bonuses to gold/exp/research times), are not offered in the cash shop. Likewise, there are many, many items for sale in the cash shop that ESO+ subs can't get without paying for them like everyone else.
Over the last year, many new items have been offered in the cash shop, in an attempt to get players to spend more money there. This may be the first time a new perk has been offered to ESO+ subs, but there's absolutely nothing "unfair" about them choosing to add yet one more perk to the sub. They are just trying to get people to spend more money using their other option.
I'm really quite sorry if players such as you can't see why there's absolutely nothing wrong with what they are doing.
I'm basing my standard off how the cash shop has run since it was released. I still feel my standard is valid.
I think it comes down to the sentence I bolded, we're going to have to agree to disagree. You don't view it as unfair, I do.
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Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
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GrumpStump✭✭✭Wanderinlost wrote: »So purchasing the game, subbing for years, buying DLC, spending hundreds on crowns is not enough? Just because you are ESO+ now does not make you in anyway special. It doesn't mean many others have not paid and continue to pay though crowns or make them less of a customer.
Then there are those who purchase every dlc, buy crowns AND sub...
Thaaaaaat's me!!!
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
I didn't think we were arguing points prior to ESO:TU.
You can't throw out that line without clarification. Where in his post did he allude to anything pre-ESO:TU?
When he started listing the perks for ESO+. You can see in my follow up posts I explain that line quite clearly, those perks were decided upon prior to crown store launching even if they did launch at the same time.
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Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
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Svalinn✭✭✭wyhat surprises me is that this post is still going.. perhaps you should play more and debate less ^^3
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?
...I'm asking for the option to buy.
That would remove the entire point of this bag - to make people require a subscription to retain access to the extra space.
Again, how do you not see this?
They do see it. Thats their point.
Its locked behind a sub instead of being available to buy for all customers.
Why would any company not want a customer to be incentivized to spend money on their product?
ESO Plus isn't an exclusive club-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
I didn't think we were arguing points prior to ESO:TU.
You can't throw out that line without clarification. Where in his post did he allude to anything pre-ESO:TU?
When he started listing the perks for ESO+. You can see in my follow up posts I explain that line quite clearly, those perks were decided upon prior to crown store launching even if they did launch at the same time.
Ok let's follow your rules - if they're not allowed to add a new item to subscriber benefits then they're not allowed to add a new item to b2p benefits.
How will ZOS make money now :'(3 -
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Oh, I won't argue that it's not shady. It totally is, but that's business. But this thread isn't about whether baiting people into paying more money is shady, it's about it being unfair that the bags aren't a purchasable option in the crown store. That's completely unrelated.
Let me explain this a slightly different way using this comparison. When they changed the payment model to B2P and made subscriptions optional:
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
1. ZOS did not reduce the amount of gold dropped by mobs.
2. ZOS did not increase research times.
3. ZOS did not reduce XP gains.
Here is what they did do: They started introducing large quantities of new crafting materials with every update, without increasing the maximum amount of bank space available for purchase. They did increase bag space for individual characters, which was helpful. But not account wide bank space (upgrades for which can be purchased for crowns, up to a maximum cap).
The only way to solve an inventory management problem that was intentionally created by the company to inconvenience people is to purchase a subscription. It is the only subscription bonus that was created specifically by doing something to intentionally inconvenience players. And that is distasteful.
As far your point goes, the crown store has had its fair share of shady things too. Every update release new motifs that have to be assembled from 14 pages, which range in difficulty to acquire. Then, a few months later, these full motifs appear on the crown store for real money. How is that not the same thing? Put stuff into the game that people want, make it hard to nearly impossible to get quickly, and then give people a fast and easy solution to get it with real money.
But again, that has nothing to do with the point of this thread.
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✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
I didn't think we were arguing points prior to ESO:TU.
You can't throw out that line without clarification. Where in his post did he allude to anything pre-ESO:TU?
When he started listing the perks for ESO+. You can see in my follow up posts I explain that line quite clearly, those perks were decided upon prior to crown store launching even if they did launch at the same time.
Ok let's follow your rules - if they're not allowed to add a new item to subscriber benefits then they're not allowed to add a new item to b2p benefits.
How will ZOS make money now :'(
just remove the whole ESO Plus sub.
move the benefits to anyone who buys crowns...
1500 - 30 days
2500 - more than 30
500 - less than 30
Its that simple....when ZOS removed the sub...they need to learn how to remove things.
You can still offer auto draft of crown packs but just like VR was suppose to be removed and its just renaming them to CP on an account basis...this practice is bad for business.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
Your argument fell apart at the first sentence.Prior to Crafting bags: had a choice to buy anything a subscriber had access to, IE a standard
You could not buy the 10% extra gold.
You could not buy the 10% faster research times.
You could not buy the 10% bonus xp. Sure, you can buy xp scrolls, but so can subscribers. You can't buy the 10% bonus that subs get.
So the "standard" is that there are currently perks that only ESO+ subscribers can get, that non-subs can not get at any price. And this is how it should be, as there needs to be advantages to subscribing, for it to be a viable alternative.
The only reason people are complaining now, is that ESO+ members are finally being given a subscriber-only perk that's actually useful. There has been no change to the standard.
I didn't think we were arguing points prior to ESO:TU.
You can't throw out that line without clarification. Where in his post did he allude to anything pre-ESO:TU?
When he started listing the perks for ESO+. You can see in my follow up posts I explain that line quite clearly, those perks were decided upon prior to crown store launching even if they did launch at the same time.
Ok let's follow your rules - if they're not allowed to add a new item to subscriber benefits then they're not allowed to add a new item to b2p benefits.
How will ZOS make money now :'(
No one said they're not allowed to add a new item to sub benefits, we just want the option to have it without being forced into a subscription in a OPTIONAL subscription based game.
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So why does the non-sub player have to be punished because ESO+ is lacking?
Nobody is punishing you, and nobody is rewarding you for not subbing. People are just being rewarded for subbing and given a further reason to continue subbing.
Making this item a b2p item would give people no reason to continue subbing, how do you not understand this?
...I'm asking for the option to buy.
That would remove the entire point of this bag - to make people require a subscription to retain access to the extra space.
Again, how do you not see this?
They do see it. Thats their point.
Its locked behind a sub instead of being available to buy for all customers.
Why would any company not want a customer to be incentivized to spend money on their product?
ESO Plus isn't an exclusive club
Simply put - they have figured out they will make more money renting the option by making people require a subscription to retain access to it, than they will by selling it outright.
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✭✭✭✭✭Nobody is being punished. Nobody is a victim.
You either sub and get the bag, or don't and you get no bag. It's really that simple.
Rich Lambert said that the bags are only for subscribers and it looks like it's going to stay that way.
It is a perk of giving money every month to keep the servers going, to maintenance, to develop new content - regular income that ZOS will get every month. A predictable amount of income for the company.
If you buy crowns etc that's great. You are also contributing to all this. But in a less routine way. There are, I am sure, people who buy the base game and then don't give another single penny. That's okay too. You bought the game.
Think of it as like gold membership to a club. A gold member will get more perks than say a silver member to sweeten the deal and keep them paying to be a gold member. If you want to be a gold member, then do as other gold members do.Sweetrolls for all!
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