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Crating Bag Exclusivity is Unfair
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clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭clocksstoppe wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »you only need one of these people who spend a ton to make up for dozens of subs. That's the exact point of b2p.
And you only need one of the subbers who spend a ton to make up for all the b2pers...most of whom spend such a trivial amount in comparison to the amount any subscription holder has spent.
This is to encourage people to subscribe - you want the bag - go sub
There will be little subbing happening because of craft bags, nobody who already bought DLCs is going to waste their money with subbing (because it would completely devalue their DLC purchases) and not many are willing to rent a craft bag for $180/year.
So yeah, plenty wanting the bag, but no sub will be happening, you can take your sub and *** off with it.
Well, you can't complain if you're not actually wanting it enough to pay the cost.
Sure I can, that's the whole point of this thread.1 -
Kayira✭✭✭✭Firstly.. you have lived without a crafting bag for 2 years and now that it is implemented you tell me you can't live without it. If it would have been game breaking than they would have implemented it ages ago. But hey Fair enough.
Secondly you tell me buying dlc is more expensive than subbing, why are you not subbing then.
Thirdly eso sub players don't really get much for their money. They get the same amount of crowns as someone who buys them in the shop and in theory you could sub for 6 month just buy all dlcs and stop subbing. Then eso loses money. Hence they have to give you an incentive to stay subbed and a crafting bag being exclusive to subs is a great idea. It is neither game breaking to others nor a nessecity. But it is rewarding as it makes life a lot easier.
Lastly, I guess this game and the developers shouldn't be supported. I love how people buy a MMO and decide they should now get everything for free. Of course why don't you ask the developers to offer everything for free and work for free because you don't want to spend a single cent but want everything someone who is actively paying gets.
Just for your information this isn't communism. Imagine everyone would get the exact same as the person who is paying. You think anyone would be paying for it anymore out of the goodness of their heart.
PS: Life is unfair. get used to it.Edited by Kayira on April 26, 2016 8:11AM6 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭player_klaus wrote: »wth is a Crating Bag?
It's something coming in with the Dark Brotherhood patch (currently on Test Live server). It holds all your crafting mats, and it's a subscriber item.2 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭Firstly.. you have lived without a crafting bag for 2 years and now that it is implemented you tell me you can't live without it. If it would have been game breaking than they would have implemented it ages ago. But hey Fair enough.
Secondly you tell me buying dlc is more expensive than subbing, why are you not subbing then.
Thirdly eso sub players don't really get much for their money. They get the same amount of crowns as someone who buys them in the shop and in theory you could sub for 6 month just buy all dlcs and stop subbing. Then eso loses money. Hence they have to give you an incentive to stay subbed and a crafting bag being exclusive to subs is a great idea. It is neither game breaking to others nor a nessecity. But it is rewarding as it makes life a lot easier.
Lastly, I guess this game and the developers shouldn't be supported. I love how people buy a MMO and decide they should now get everything for free. Of course why don't you ask the developers to offer everything for free and work for free because you don't want to spend a single cent but want everything someone who is actively paying gets.
Just for your information this isn't communism. Imagine everyone would get the exact same as the person who is paying. You think anyone would be paying for it anymore out of the goodness of their heart.
People want it as a crown store item, not for free. Nice useless reply.
Also this "sub is ***" excuse is extremely bad. If subbing is so bad then why are so many people here subbed? Looks like you subs are lying.
How can subbing be underwhelming when it is 500% better than not subbing if you plan to purchase at least 1500 crowns per month?Edited by clocksstoppe on April 26, 2016 8:14AM0 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »you only need one of these people who spend a ton to make up for dozens of subs. That's the exact point of b2p.
And you only need one of the subbers who spend a ton to make up for all the b2pers...most of whom spend such a trivial amount in comparison to the amount any subscription holder has spent.
This is to encourage people to subscribe - you want the bag - go sub
There will be little subbing happening because of craft bags, nobody who already bought DLCs is going to waste their money with subbing (because it would completely devalue their DLC purchases) and not many are willing to rent a craft bag for $180/year.
So yeah, plenty wanting the bag, but no sub will be happening, you can take your sub and *** off with it.
Well, you can't complain if you're not actually wanting it enough to pay the cost.
Sure I can, that's the whole point of this thread.
Okay you can sit there fuming if that's what you enjoy doing, but it won't get you anywhere. This is a great decision, ZOS realised they needed to give more benefits to the subscribers who not only pay each month, but also buy things as well on top of it all. No price would be enough vs leaving it as a subscriber item, that's what a lot of you aren't understanding. Some people even suggested making it 5000 Crowns! Why do that, when you can make so much more from it as a subscriber item.3 -
Mr.Hmm✭✭✭✭First thing first, Apologies.
I might make alot of enemies and come out as very rude but...
Are you implying that working to gain 12.99 Euro is hard? Do you have a job? Did you try to find a job? Did you save some money to the side in order to use these for the sub?
Only reason sometimes I dont pay sub is because of real life issues happening for me but when my life is stable I do pay the sub if i want to.
I am in no way forced to pay the sub since I can just play the game without subbing at all.
I do understand that people might find this perk very unfair for non-subs but if you have a job and your life is pretty stable then it shouldn't be hard for you to spend 12.99 Euro for a sub.
I dont know how much the sub costs in dollars.
I do agree however that ZoS should have included this in the base game(You could unlock the crafting bag by doing a long quest I guess?) or in the crown shop, however they decided to add it as a sub only perk. Nobody knows if in the future they will change their minds and put it on the Crown Shop or by unlocking it with a Quest, but for now its sub only it seems.
Only thing you can do right now its to try and make them change their decision or accept it and hope they add it in the Crown Shop or by unlocking it with a Quest.If I die tomorrow I do not want to think of the game I could of played today, therefor I will play whatever I want today while securing a future to play in as well.
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Kayira✭✭✭✭People want it as a crown store item, not for free. Nice useless reply.
Also this "sub is ***" excuse is extremely bad. If subbing is so bad then why are so many people here subbed? Looks like you subs are lying.
How can subbing be underwhelming when it is 500% better than not subbing if you plan to purchase at least 1500 crowns per month?
I somehow wonder if you have actually read it properly. If I sub for 6 months I could in theory buy myself all dlcs and then stop. Hence eso only made 65€ off me and as I would already have all my chars to max level I could just stop subbing and wait for another dlc within 3 months that interests me. And as the most dlcs only cost 2000 crowns I would pay less than someone who has subbed.
So why should I possibly bother subbing afterwards. Their is nothing I still need out of my sub. Except they put something exclusive in that makes my life easier. Hence it is a good idea to make crafting bags exclusive.
And that last paragraph was not for the thread author but a lot of people think so in general in a lot of games and thats why I added it.7 -
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I've put more money into this game than a lot of ESO+ members have in the same amount of time. Checkmate.ArvenAldmeri wrote: »I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we doEdited by Leogon on April 26, 2016 8:33AM0 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭People want it as a crown store item, not for free. Nice useless reply.
Also this "sub is ***" excuse is extremely bad. If subbing is so bad then why are so many people here subbed? Looks like you subs are lying.
How can subbing be underwhelming when it is 500% better than not subbing if you plan to purchase at least 1500 crowns per month?
I somehow wonder if you have actually read it properly. If I sub for 6 months I could in theory buy myself all dlcs and then stop. Hence eso only made 65€ off me and as I would already have all my chars to max level I could just stop subbing and wait for another dlc within 3 months that interests me. And as the most dlcs only cost 2000 crowns I would pay less than someone who has subbed.
So why should I possibly bother subbing afterwards. Their is nothing I still need out of my sub. Except they put something exclusive in that makes my life easier. Hence it is a good idea to make crafting bags exclusive.
And that last paragraph was not for the thread author but a lot of people think so in general in a lot of games and thats why I added it.
Maybe if they made more than 3 updates in 2 years people would have more of a reason to sub. Let's be real here, ZOS has been delivering an extremely underwhelming amount of DLCs and content updates since release and that is why you get this problem of "sub 3 months then stop". When their combined DLC price goes over the price of being a sub for 1 year, then subbing will of course always be worth it. So the answer to that is simple: make more game, and you will get more sales.1 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »Maybe if they made more than 3 updates in 2 years people would have more of a reason to sub. Let's be real here, ZOS has been delivering an extremely underwhelming amount of DLCs and content updates since release and that is why you get this problem of "sub 3 months then stop". When their combined DLC price goes over the price of being a sub for 1 year, then subbing will of course always be worth it. So the answer to that is simple: make more game, and you will get more sales.
See that's the thing - you're only worth a DLC to them. Quite likely most b2pers are the same. And that really isn't a lot of money spent.
Subscribers pay a fixed amount every month as well as be more likely to buy additional things...when you're in the habit of buying from some place you keep buying from them, like a reflex. Also people who happily pay for a sub generally have more disposable income anyway, and are doing it because they can. Extra things are bought also because we can.
I really don't think you would be able to afford the cost of a Crafter Bag if they decided to sell it - the thing is invaluable as a subscriber benefit and to encourage their current subscribers to keep subscribing, and to bring in new subscribers. They'd really have to sell it for many hundreds of dollars to make it worthwhile to them, and then you'd be back here complaining again.7 -
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✭I really don't think you would be able to afford the cost of a Crafter Bag if they decided to sell it - the thing is invaluable as a subscriber benefit and to encourage their current subscribers to keep subscribing, and to bring in new subscribers. They'd really have to sell it for many hundreds of dollars to make it worthwhile to them, and then you'd be back here complaining again.
So then you admit the game is entering the p2w stage then. I agree, the crafting bag is hilariously strong. And that's the problem with it. If you let them do this, there will be p2w benefits for subs, it's a slippery slope that will degrade the game's integrity for non-subs. People buy this game because it's labeled as B2P and then they see subs have +500 bank slots and who knows what else they will come up with, and they discover the game is slowly steering away from B2P and they have effectively been lied to.
Of course, at the moment I expect all the subs here to deny this but it will happen, the craft bag is the first step. I've seen this a million times with other games as well. They test the waters for p2w with something "light" that doesn't cause too much uproar, and then they slowly but steadily start making the sub/mtx benefits stronger and stronger. Sadly I guess this is the life cycle of an MMO, starts beautifully then degenerates to p2w garbage.1 -
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✭It is quality of life, not P2W in the slightest.
If you think it provides such a great advantage, why don't you simply pay for one month sub?
Put all your crafting items in it, and after your sub expires, you can still use those items.
You just won't be able to put more items in.
Don't want to pay?
Fine.
You lose nothing.4 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »I really don't think you would be able to afford the cost of a Crafter Bag if they decided to sell it - the thing is invaluable as a subscriber benefit and to encourage their current subscribers to keep subscribing, and to bring in new subscribers. They'd really have to sell it for many hundreds of dollars to make it worthwhile to them, and then you'd be back here complaining again.
So then you admit the game is entering the p2w stage then.
No, if they attempted to sell the bag it would be entering p2w (but only because of the amount they'd need to charge for it to make up for losing appeal to subscribers, not because it's something that gives people the edge in any competitive part of the game which is what p2w actually is ) - and remember that would be something you're trying to request. As it is now, this is just a subscriber benefit designed to keep their current subscribers happy, and to draw in fresh subscribers. The game is at that stage when b2pers are no longer making them the most money. Subscribers paying set amounts as a minimum each month and then also buying fluff items on top of that set amount will now be looking more attractive to them.
I'm sure they've been looking at the numbers.
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Kayira✭✭✭✭How is a crafting bag p2w? How does it improve how you do in cyrodill or incerase your damage against bosses and so on.
I am a bit at a loss here.
I have played this game for 2 years and of course it is nice to have a crafting bag but it is not essential. I mean how did we survive without them until now?
A crafting bag is an improvement of your living standards. A bit like changing from an ovenheater to a waterheater that heats up in 10 minutes. It is not essential but nice to have.
If it will go p2w in the future who knows. But I really hope not.3 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's p2w because i like crafting more than combat that's why. Compared to a crafter without it I am now extremely ineffective because of no craft bag. And don't act like it's just bank space saving, because it's not. You can use your entire crafting collection everywhere.
Leave Cyrodil out of this.Edited by clocksstoppe on April 26, 2016 8:55AM1 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »It's p2w because i like crafting more than combat that's why. Compared to a crafter without it I am now extremely ineffective because of no craft bag. And don't act like it's just bank space saving, because it's not. You can use your entire crafting collection everywhere...
So you decide what the definition of "p2w" is now?
You can totally do without this thing, if you don't want to pay the tiny monthly amount for it despite being so seemingly desperate to get your hands on it.
A bag is far from p2w - p2w would be having shields you could buy from the store that made you invulnerable to all forms of damage for 20 seconds or something. A bag is not p2w. It needs to give competitive advantage - as it is you are still able to craft without this bag...just carry on as you always have in the past if you absolutely refuse to subscribe for whatever reason.
Many others now might be tempted to subscribe however...and many subscribers might now be more keen to not stop or intermittently stop their subscription...might be easier for them now to simply stay subbed all year round now this bag exists.
It will do what it's designed to do - make subscribing more appealing - and not a thing more.
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Kayira✭✭✭✭How does it make you ineffective? It doesn't give the other crafter all the traits you have researched or the motives you have found or bought.
And I am sorry when I craft for people I never use my own mats.Most people want me to use their mats to lower costs and I only charge them for the service. Why should I go through the effort and farms thousands of ancestor silk and clutter up my bank space for someone else. And the trait stones and rare mats for the motives barely take up all of my bank space.
You would have a bigger disadvantage if you could buy trait research time finisher on the crown store than this bag.Edited by Kayira on April 26, 2016 9:05AM5 -
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They are selling the bag - or rather renting for $15 a month if you want full functionality. I don't have a problem with it even though I'm going to miss out, but let's keep the facts straight. I don't understand why so many people treat subscription perks as if they were free.clocksstoppe wrote: »I really don't think you would be able to afford the cost of a Crafter Bag if they decided to sell it - the thing is invaluable as a subscriber benefit and to encourage their current subscribers to keep subscribing, and to bring in new subscribers. They'd really have to sell it for many hundreds of dollars to make it worthwhile to them, and then you'd be back here complaining again.
So then you admit the game is entering the p2w stage then.
No, if they attempted to sell the bag it would be entering p2w3 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
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They are selling the bag - or rather renting for $15 a month if you want full functionality.clocksstoppe wrote: »I really don't think you would be able to afford the cost of a Crafter Bag if they decided to sell it - the thing is invaluable as a subscriber benefit and to encourage their current subscribers to keep subscribing, and to bring in new subscribers. They'd really have to sell it for many hundreds of dollars to make it worthwhile to them, and then you'd be back here complaining again.
So then you admit the game is entering the p2w stage then.
No, if they attempted to sell the bag it would be entering p2w
Now you're acting like that would be the only reason people subscribe - you're not complaining about the extra 10% xp a sub gives and suggesting that is what the Devs are selling. Most people currently subscribe because they love the game, and like to encourage the Devs to keep making things for the game. This bag to most of us is just a thank you. To others it will be a temptation and a reason to subscribe or to remain subscribed, but this bag is not the actual subscription.
Also you cut off the rest of my post which explained that statement more fully, cutting my words off as you did actually distorts what I was saying, and makes it seem like I was saying something I was not.
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Edited by babylon on April 26, 2016 9:22AM3 -
rootimus✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »nobody who already bought DLCs is going to waste their money with subbing (because it would completely devalue their DLC purchases) and not many are willing to rent a craft bag for $180/year.
So yeah, plenty wanting the bag, but no sub will be happening, you can take your sub and *** off with it.
Hi there. As a member of the sub-set "nobody", as defined by you, I just wanted to drop buy and introduce myself. I'm strongly considering re-subscribing because of the craft bag, depending on what the final version looks like. Even if I don't, it'll be a huge plus in favour of doing so when they add one or two more reasons.Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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Sorry, I cut off stuff because I try to minimize my scrolling on mobile when I answer. Still, I only disagree with "they're not selling it" part - I don't think it's P2W either way, so I don't really care about the rest of that discussion. I do think they're selling it though: because if I want it, I have to pay $15. Yes, it's part of a bigger package I'll get for my money, but that's like saying my provider isn't selling me internet access because it's bundled with phone and TV.
They are selling the bag - or rather renting for $15 a month if you want full functionality.clocksstoppe wrote: »I really don't think you would be able to afford the cost of a Crafter Bag if they decided to sell it - the thing is invaluable as a subscriber benefit and to encourage their current subscribers to keep subscribing, and to bring in new subscribers. They'd really have to sell it for many hundreds of dollars to make it worthwhile to them, and then you'd be back here complaining again.
So then you admit the game is entering the p2w stage then.
No, if they attempted to sell the bag it would be entering p2w
Now you're acting like that would be the only reason people subscribe. Most people currently subscribe because they love the game, and like to encourage the Devs to keep making things for the game. This bag to most of us is just a thank you. To others it will be a temptation and a reason to subscribe or to remain subscribed, but this bag is not the actual subscription.
Also you cut off the rest of my post which explained that statement more fully, cutting my words off as you did actually distorts what I was saying, and makes it seem like I was saying something I was not.
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And yes, people will subscribe just for the bag. It's an incredibly useful addition we've asked for since launch. Even I am tempted and up until now I thought subscribing was a horrible waste of money. I don't care about any other benefits, including crowns, and I have zero loyalty to ZOS. But my bank is full, the number of materials only keeps growing and that crafting bag looks so very attractive.
So good job ZOS, your plan's working.
(I'm still not going to subscribe) Edited by Rosveen on April 26, 2016 9:35AM2 -
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Sorry, I cut off stuff because I try to minimize my scrolling on mobile when I answer. Still, I only disagree with "they're not selling it" part - I don't think it's P2W either way, so I don't really care about the rest of that discussion.
They are selling the bag - or rather renting for $15 a month if you want full functionality.clocksstoppe wrote: »I really don't think you would be able to afford the cost of a Crafter Bag if they decided to sell it - the thing is invaluable as a subscriber benefit and to encourage their current subscribers to keep subscribing, and to bring in new subscribers. They'd really have to sell it for many hundreds of dollars to make it worthwhile to them, and then you'd be back here complaining again.
So then you admit the game is entering the p2w stage then.
No, if they attempted to sell the bag it would be entering p2w
Now you're acting like that would be the only reason people subscribe. Most people currently subscribe because they love the game, and like to encourage the Devs to keep making things for the game. This bag to most of us is just a thank you. To others it will be a temptation and a reason to subscribe or to remain subscribed, but this bag is not the actual subscription.
Also you cut off the rest of my post which explained that statement more fully, cutting my words off as you did actually distorts what I was saying, and makes it seem like I was saying something I was not.
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And yes, people will subscribe just for the bag. It's an incredibly useful addition we've asked for since launch. Even I am tempted and up until now I thought subscribing was a horrible waste of money. I don't care about any other benefits, including crowns, and I have zero loyalty to ZOS. But my bank is full, the number of materials only keeps growing and that crafting bag looks so very attractive.
So good job ZOS, your plan's working. (I'm still not going to subscribe)
I think it's definitely a step down the right path - much better than selling these things outright. Would be nice to see this game remain mainly a subscriber's game with only the actual fluff items for sale in the Crown Store.5 -
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✭✭These discussions have shown yet another unpleasant side of this community, and the whole thing has frankly made me feel less enamoured of game.
There are people who don't subscribe for whatever reason but this does not make them cheap or unsupportive of the game (someone posted about those not subbing as being poor in a derogatory way as if only the wealthy should be able to play the game - nice).
If you can afford to, great. You have that option. And get perks for doing so. Fantastic. But that does not make you better than those who do not sub.
As the game now stands, subscription isn't a necessity. It is a choice for additional benefits that you then get but that can also be bought from the Crown store for those that don't subscribe. And this is because it is not a subscription-based game. This is how it has been sold - that a subscription is not necessary.
The issue with crafting bags is it is seen by many as something that should have been part of the game anyway and therefore not something given as a perk to those who chose to subscribe and not available at all for those who do not. And I have not seen anyone saying that it should not be a perk for subs just that it should be available for all, and that they would be willing to pay for it! Just not necessarily through subscribing.
And for those who say that subscribers support the game more as they mean an definite income stream can be demonstrated - this might be true if the subs had to be for a certain period of time. But if you can sub for one month & then stop, they are not that helpful.
I have really had my eyes opened about how entitled & elitist those who play MMORPGs can be & it has left me very disillusioned.
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Xundiin✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »The issue with crafting bags is it is seen by many as something that should have been part of the game anyway and therefore not something given as a perk to those who chose to subscribe and not available at all for those who do not. And I have not seen anyone saying that it should not be a perk for subs just that it should be available for all, and that they would be willing to pay for it! Just not necessarily through subscribing.
Problem with this way of thinking is any thing that is a Sub perk that is also sold on the crown store devalues that perk for a potential Subscriber.Hallothiel wrote: »And for those who say that subscribers support the game more as they mean an definite income stream can be demonstrated - this might be true if the subs had to be for a certain period of time. But if you can sub for one month & then stop, they are not that helpful.
Problem is there is more empirical proof that proves Subs contribute more in money. It's a steady income regardless if they lose 10% of the Subs for this month over last month. Many, many games have reported statistical numbers that shows that only 2.2% of F2P/B2P population purchase any thing. It's also proven through the same reports that Subs are more likely to purchase things from the in game store. Just taking that basis alone proves that a Sub model is better. But now days people need to feel they are getting their money's worth. Which brings us to a completely different argument on how much is 15 dollars actually worth. T0 some it's about like putting your hands in your pockets and stumbling upon a quarter. To others it's like finding a 50 dollar bill laying on the street.
So really, ZOS needs to make the Subscription model more desirable. And since paying 15 dollars a month in reality gets you barely any thing over buying 15 dollars worth of coins a month currently, makes the Subscription model not very appealing.
If ZOS would break down and make a crown store bag purchasable it would solve this whiny thread. And yes it has got rather whiny. Don't make it as good as the Sub bag, but make it like 100 slot crafting bag. It would still be better than nothing, but no where near as good as the Sub Perk. Which in a lot of games that have this sort of stuff, this is what they do. Offer the same luxury items only not as good to non-subscribers.#SavePlayer16 -
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Here's the next thing I'd like to know - of all the people who have threatened to cancel their sub over the limit on using CP staying at 501 with the next update, how many of them will keep it just for this one feature?
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 26, 2016 2:38PMHappy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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✭✭✭✭✭The only real way for ZOS to solve the QQ here would be for them to sell 100 slot (and only 100 slot) bags on the crown store for either all professions OR 100 slot bags for woodworking, clothier, blacksmithing, etc etc.
This bag we are getting now is a perk of subscribing and should stay just that.Sweetrolls for all!
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!6 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have no problem with there being a sub that is optional with certain additional perks - for example the assistants should be free for subs.
BUT the crafting bag is something that SHOULD have been part of the game anyway - inventory management is a *** - and not something only available for subs.
The game is sold as not requiring a sub & as has been pointed out, this does almost set a nasty precedent.2 -
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✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »I have no problem with there being a sub that is optional with certain additional perks - for example the assistants should be free for subs.
BUT the crafting bag is something that SHOULD have been part of the game anyway - inventory management is a *** - and not something only available for subs.
The game is sold as not requiring a sub & as has been pointed out, this does almost set a nasty precedent.
You do not have to sub to play the game. Otherwise we would not have been able to play this game for the last two years (bc there were no crafting bags).
You think you need crafting bags to play the game, but in fact you don't need them. You just want them without sub, bc you like them.
If you want them, get ESO+ and you have a crafting bag Noobplar7 -
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