I pay for the sub, I buy the DLC, and I buy crowns. I always try to support the game I'm playing. I want all the game has to offer. I'm sure there are more people that do the same thing.


GrumpStump

GrumpStump wrote: »

I pay for the sub, I buy the DLC, and I buy crowns. I always try to support the game I'm playing. I want all the game has to offer. I'm sure there are more people that do the same thing.


GrumpStump

Me too but I got called silly for doing this

Life is unfair, wear a hat.

Long thread but I'm just going to suggest the DCUO model. Basically when you spend the equivalent of a months sub or more, you get the sub perk for 30 days. Any extra that you put in does not roll over to the next 30 days..

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I agree with the OP. I don't think this is the type of feature that should be locked behind a subscription. It should have the ability to be unlocked for 5-10k crowns and that's it.

These types of features in games are why I am having a hard time investing in games like ESO on a more consistent basis. It's why I keep going back to Project 99. Simple is better. Find better ways to get money from your player base, instead of monetizing a part of the game that you guys created to be a problem (horrible inventory management system).

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way.

I also think the ignorance in the above quote needs to be addressed. Everyone playing this game has purchased it at some cost. Furthermore, due to the existence of the Crown Store, it is more than possible that a regular non-subbed player can purchase more coins per month, and contribute more money per month than a sub player.

In other words, just because you sub it doesn't make you superior to all the other players.

What does this have to do with anything?!!

The decision is simple: You want the bag. Sub. You don't want to pay, you don't get the bag.

This isn't rocket science - and it's not an entitlement.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I agree with the OP. I don't think this is the type of feature that should be locked behind a subscription. It should have the ability to be unlocked for 5-10k crowns and that's it.

These types of features in games are why I am having a hard time investing in games like ESO on a more consistent basis. It's why I keep going back to Project 99. Simple is better. Find better ways to get money from your player base, instead of monetizing a part of the game that you guys created to be a problem (horrible inventory management system).

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way.

I also think the ignorance in the above quote needs to be addressed. Everyone playing this game has purchased it at some cost. Furthermore, due to the existence of the Crown Store, it is more than possible that a regular non-subbed player can purchase more coins per month, and contribute more money per month than a sub player.

In other words, just because you sub it doesn't make you superior to all the other players.

What does this have to do with anything?!!

The decision is simple: You want the bag. Sub. You don't want to pay, you don't the bag.

This isn't rocket science - and it's not an entitlement.

Sadly that is the case these days. People believe they are entitled to the same thing that others have because it is fair. People need to understand that life isn't fair. ZOS clearly believes that the subs deserve the bags and I agree with them. As I have said before, someone who pays $200 a year is more deserving than someone who only pays $100 a year. So if you really think about it, as of right now the subs are essentially paying $100 more to keep the DLC and get some pretty weak bonuses excluding the monthly crowns which is really all the sub gets you. So adding these bags is a huge benefit to the subscribers and is definitely worth the extra $100 a year.

ZOS doesn't owe us anything. They could have left the bags out of the game completely. Be grateful the bags are even being added to the game! $15 a month is not going to kill you. If you really need the bags you will sub. If not then you can make due with what you have. Nobody will gain an advantage. Nobody's experience will become worse. If you choose to let these ruin your experience than that is a personal issue. Subs do not think they are superior. Some of the non-subs even agree that crafting bags should remain ESO+ exclusive. The way some people on this thread are acting is just plain ridiculous. Claiming they deserve the bags and they should be in the crown store. Once again, ZOS doesn't owe you anything. This has been said multiple times by multiple people and I will say it again for the 100th time. If you want the bags then you better sub. The argument of saying you can't afford it should not be used. If you truly cannot afford it then maybe you shouldn't be spending money on games at all. I am not saying I don't believe people can't afford it, I just think people may be over exaggerating a little. Especially the ones who claim to have been playing since before B2P. They could sub back then so why not sub again.

*I say you referring to everyone against the crafting bags ESO+ benefit. Not directed toward one specific person

Who the hell is disputed that subs do not "deserve" the bag? Who has even suggested that non-subs "deserve" the bag for nothing? We were all offered an alternate payment model and based on our individual preference chose it under the explicit understanding that we get the same level of access and opportunity as anyone else. Now that is about to change.

Furthermore the amount subs pay come with more than just 10% bonuses. You get access and 18,000 crowns per year to spend on premium items, as well as other access. It has been the ESO+ crowd who have been whining about being owed something not the other way around. By not selling this feature anyone who chose the alternate payment method last year is getting excluded from a long awaited feature.

This game has been offered and is continuing to be sold as a subscription free game. ESO+ membership is a defacto subscription, however it is meant to be 100% optional and hiding a game feature behind it at this stage is just flat out wrong. So ZOS absolutely does owe each and every player in the game at the very least the opportunity to buy this feature regardless of your preferred payment method. It should be priced accordingly, but it should not be exclusive in order to make people switch out of their preferred mode of payment just for a single feature.

""""The award-winning fantasy role-playing series, The Elder Scrolls goes online – no game subscription required. Experience this multiplayer role-playing game on your own or together with your friends, guild mates, and thousands of alliance members. Explore dangerous caves and dungeons in Skyrim, or craft quality goods to sell in the city of Daggerfall. Embark upon adventurous quests across Tamriel and engage in massive player versus player battles, or spend your days at the nearest fishing hole or reading one of many books of lore. The choices are yours in the persistent world of The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.

Key Features:
NO SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED
Purchase the game and enjoy your adventures without a monthly fee. """"

ESO+ people are continuously arguing not that they deserves the bag(which they are already getting) but that everyone else does not. It is a central game feature, how does it benefit anyone for others not to have this feature? Each person would have to pay substantial amount of money to get it, so it is not free by any stretch. How can you definitively claim loyalty? Many people who went the DLC route were subscribers prior to the launch of Unlimited. Many have continued to spend, yet apparently there loyalty means nothing, becasue ESO+ is so much superior. It is straight up petty and elitist crap coming from a consumer group who somehow think themselves more deserving than everyone else.

I'm glad for this. They need to have an actual reason to sub and that is hard to do without making it pay to win or withholding necessary features so that you buy it. I have played this game for 2 years without it and can easily continue to do so, but this is a perk that I am willing to sub for and so I will. (I'll sub next month)

It's not like BDO where they intentionally do not put in a loot all or auto confirm feature so that you either have to loot 10 piles with 20 button presses or spend $30 dollars for pets who will do it for you. After a month your hands and forearms will purchase the pets for you, it's an absolute necessity. I think this is fair. A sub is good for the game, and it's good for us in the long run.

Wanderinlost wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

I agree with the OP. I don't think this is the type of feature that should be locked behind a subscription. It should have the ability to be unlocked for 5-10k crowns and that's it.

These types of features in games are why I am having a hard time investing in games like ESO on a more consistent basis. It's why I keep going back to Project 99. Simple is better. Find better ways to get money from your player base, instead of monetizing a part of the game that you guys created to be a problem (horrible inventory management system).

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way.

I also think the ignorance in the above quote needs to be addressed. Everyone playing this game has purchased it at some cost. Furthermore, due to the existence of the Crown Store, it is more than possible that a regular non-subbed player can purchase more coins per month, and contribute more money per month than a sub player.

In other words, just because you sub it doesn't make you superior to all the other players.

What does this have to do with anything?!!

The decision is simple: You want the bag. Sub. You don't want to pay, you don't the bag.

This isn't rocket science - and it's not an entitlement.

Sadly that is the case these days. People believe they are entitled to the same thing that others have because it is fair. People need to understand that life isn't fair. ZOS clearly believes that the subs deserve the bags and I agree with them. As I have said before, someone who pays $200 a year is more deserving than someone who only pays $100 a year. So if you really think about it, as of right now the subs are essentially paying $100 more to keep the DLC and get some pretty weak bonuses excluding the monthly crowns which is really all the sub gets you. So adding these bags is a huge benefit to the subscribers and is definitely worth the extra $100 a year.

ZOS doesn't owe us anything. They could have left the bags out of the game completely. Be grateful the bags are even being added to the game! $15 a month is not going to kill you. If you really need the bags you will sub. If not then you can make due with what you have. Nobody will gain an advantage. Nobody's experience will become worse. If you choose to let these ruin your experience than that is a personal issue. Subs do not think they are superior. Some of the non-subs even agree that crafting bags should remain ESO+ exclusive. The way some people on this thread are acting is just plain ridiculous. Claiming they deserve the bags and they should be in the crown store. Once again, ZOS doesn't owe you anything. This has been said multiple times by multiple people and I will say it again for the 100th time. If you want the bags then you better sub. The argument of saying you can't afford it should not be used. If you truly cannot afford it then maybe you shouldn't be spending money on games at all. I am not saying I don't believe people can't afford it, I just think people may be over exaggerating a little. Especially the ones who claim to have been playing since before B2P. They could sub back then so why not sub again.

*I say you referring to everyone against the crafting bags ESO+ benefit. Not directed toward one specific person

Who the hell is disputed that subs do not "deserve" the bag? Who has even suggested that non-subs "deserve" the bag for nothing? We were all offered an alternate payment model and based on our individual preference chose it under the explicit understanding that we get the same level of access and opportunity as anyone else. Now that is about to change.

Furthermore the amount subs pay come with more than just 10% bonuses. You get access and 18,000 crowns per year to spend on premium items, as well as other access. It has been the ESO+ crowd who have been whining about being owed something not the other way around. By not selling this feature anyone who chose the alternate payment method last year is getting excluded from a long awaited feature.

This game has been offered and is continuing to be sold as a subscription free game. ESO+ membership is a defacto subscription, however it is meant to be 100% optional and hiding a game feature behind it at this stage is just flat out wrong. So ZOS absolutely does owe each and every player in the game at the very least the opportunity to buy this feature regardless of your preferred payment method. It should be priced accordingly, but it should not be exclusive in order to make people switch out of their preferred mode of payment just for a single feature.

""""The award-winning fantasy role-playing series, The Elder Scrolls goes online – no game subscription required. Experience this multiplayer role-playing game on your own or together with your friends, guild mates, and thousands of alliance members. Explore dangerous caves and dungeons in Skyrim, or craft quality goods to sell in the city of Daggerfall. Embark upon adventurous quests across Tamriel and engage in massive player versus player battles, or spend your days at the nearest fishing hole or reading one of many books of lore. The choices are yours in the persistent world of The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.

Key Features:
NO SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED
Purchase the game and enjoy your adventures without a monthly fee. """"

Yes some ESO+ members were whining. I see a lot of whining on both sides. A lot of non-subs are whining that they cannot purchase the bags so they aren't saints either including you. Crafting bags are pure convenience plain and simple. Not having them will not make you worse than other players. It will not take away some of your inventory. If you choose to let them ruin your experience then that is your problem. I never suggested the non-subs wanted it for free. Placing the bags in the crown shop for a one time fee after calling is ESO+ exclusive is a slap in the face to the subs. I said to exclude the crowns because 1500 crowns costs $15 anyway so even if I didn't sub I could still get them for the same price. Maybe if the amount of crowns were higher I would consider it more of a bonus. I am willing to compromise and have the bags be rented by non-subs for 1500 crowns a month. But for now it will stay ESO+ and its for the best. Good day to you sir!

tonemd wrote: »

Long thread but I'm just going to suggest the DCUO model. Basically when you spend the equivalent of a months sub or more, you get the sub perk for 30 days. Any extra that you put in does not roll over to the next 30 days..

Not a bad idea.

(I'm all for sub perks to be clear)

strikeback1247 wrote: »

I still haven't gotten an answer to my simple question:

What are you people hoarding??!!! How did you fill up a full bank and 8 character inventories?!

I don't have alts.

And my inventory is full of stacks of resources and trophy pieces that I can't put in the bank.

dimensional wrote: »

I bet there's some level of predictability to the people who purchase crowns, as well.

Not as much as some would like to lead on. There are articles of research done on how many people actually contribute to a game in a F2P model. Even though B2P you have to buy at least the game, after that you don't have to buy any thing. Most articles you'll find will state that 2.2% of their F2P population actually contributes to the upkeep of the game. Where as 100% of Subscribers contribute to the upkeep of the game. Now I don't think that this game is as low as 2.2%, but I do bet that it's not much higher than 30%. So it's still a low and unpredictable number. Even if 50% of the Subscribers stop their subscriptions and 50% of the F2P population purchased some crowns in a month. The Subscription community would more than likely have payed more. But at the same time it's possible that the F2P community would have contributed more money.

If we look at some articles that was produced by EA:SWTOR they state that most of their ingame store purchases are made by subscribers and not F2P players. Now that doesn't fit to well with this game since a lot of that is reselling stuff to F2P players for ingame credits. But it's the closest example I could find to help describe the difference.

Seraseth wrote: »

Slight tangent to the topic:

Fishing supplies go in the craft bag too! Will be able to access them on any character without having to remember to take some with me

Oh thank god

strikeback1247 wrote: »

I still haven't gotten an answer to my simple question:

What are you people hoarding??!!! How did you fill up a full bank and 8 character inventories?!

Umm.... pretty much everything.

I decon, don't sell. And save all the mats.

Any time I get a cool bit of equipment that I might want to use on ... some character....someday....I save it.

I gots it bad