GrumpStump wrote: »I pay for the sub, I buy the DLC, and I buy crowns. I always try to support the game I'm playing. I want all the game has to offer. I'm sure there are more people that do the same thing.
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GrumpStump wrote: »I pay for the sub, I buy the DLC, and I buy crowns. I always try to support the game I'm playing. I want all the game has to offer. I'm sure there are more people that do the same thing.
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Me too but I got called silly for doing this
I agree with the OP. I don't think this is the type of feature that should be locked behind a subscription. It should have the ability to be unlocked for 5-10k crowns and that's it.
These types of features in games are why I am having a hard time investing in games like ESO on a more consistent basis. It's why I keep going back to Project 99. Simple is better. Find better ways to get money from your player base, instead of monetizing a part of the game that you guys created to be a problem (horrible inventory management system).ArvenAldmeri wrote: »I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way.
I also think the ignorance in the above quote needs to be addressed. Everyone playing this game has purchased it at some cost. Furthermore, due to the existence of the Crown Store, it is more than possible that a regular non-subbed player can purchase more coins per month, and contribute more money per month than a sub player.
In other words, just because you sub it doesn't make you superior to all the other players.
IrishGirlGamer wrote: »I agree with the OP. I don't think this is the type of feature that should be locked behind a subscription. It should have the ability to be unlocked for 5-10k crowns and that's it.
These types of features in games are why I am having a hard time investing in games like ESO on a more consistent basis. It's why I keep going back to Project 99. Simple is better. Find better ways to get money from your player base, instead of monetizing a part of the game that you guys created to be a problem (horrible inventory management system).ArvenAldmeri wrote: »I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way.
I also think the ignorance in the above quote needs to be addressed. Everyone playing this game has purchased it at some cost. Furthermore, due to the existence of the Crown Store, it is more than possible that a regular non-subbed player can purchase more coins per month, and contribute more money per month than a sub player.
In other words, just because you sub it doesn't make you superior to all the other players.
What does this have to do with anything?!!
The decision is simple: You want the bag. Sub. You don't want to pay, you don't the bag.
This isn't rocket science - and it's not an entitlement.
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »I agree with the OP. I don't think this is the type of feature that should be locked behind a subscription. It should have the ability to be unlocked for 5-10k crowns and that's it.
These types of features in games are why I am having a hard time investing in games like ESO on a more consistent basis. It's why I keep going back to Project 99. Simple is better. Find better ways to get money from your player base, instead of monetizing a part of the game that you guys created to be a problem (horrible inventory management system).ArvenAldmeri wrote: »I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way.
I also think the ignorance in the above quote needs to be addressed. Everyone playing this game has purchased it at some cost. Furthermore, due to the existence of the Crown Store, it is more than possible that a regular non-subbed player can purchase more coins per month, and contribute more money per month than a sub player.
In other words, just because you sub it doesn't make you superior to all the other players.
What does this have to do with anything?!!
The decision is simple: You want the bag. Sub. You don't want to pay, you don't the bag.
This isn't rocket science - and it's not an entitlement.
Sadly that is the case these days. People believe they are entitled to the same thing that others have because it is fair. People need to understand that life isn't fair. ZOS clearly believes that the subs deserve the bags and I agree with them. As I have said before, someone who pays $200 a year is more deserving than someone who only pays $100 a year. So if you really think about it, as of right now the subs are essentially paying $100 more to keep the DLC and get some pretty weak bonuses excluding the monthly crowns which is really all the sub gets you. So adding these bags is a huge benefit to the subscribers and is definitely worth the extra $100 a year.
ZOS doesn't owe us anything. They could have left the bags out of the game completely. Be grateful the bags are even being added to the game! $15 a month is not going to kill you. If you really need the bags you will sub. If not then you can make due with what you have. Nobody will gain an advantage. Nobody's experience will become worse. If you choose to let these ruin your experience than that is a personal issue. Subs do not think they are superior. Some of the non-subs even agree that crafting bags should remain ESO+ exclusive. The way some people on this thread are acting is just plain ridiculous. Claiming they deserve the bags and they should be in the crown store. Once again, ZOS doesn't owe you anything. This has been said multiple times by multiple people and I will say it again for the 100th time. If you want the bags then you better sub. The argument of saying you can't afford it should not be used. If you truly cannot afford it then maybe you shouldn't be spending money on games at all. I am not saying I don't believe people can't afford it, I just think people may be over exaggerating a little. Especially the ones who claim to have been playing since before B2P. They could sub back then so why not sub again.
*I say you referring to everyone against the crafting bags ESO+ benefit. Not directed toward one specific person
Wanderinlost wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »I agree with the OP. I don't think this is the type of feature that should be locked behind a subscription. It should have the ability to be unlocked for 5-10k crowns and that's it.
These types of features in games are why I am having a hard time investing in games like ESO on a more consistent basis. It's why I keep going back to Project 99. Simple is better. Find better ways to get money from your player base, instead of monetizing a part of the game that you guys created to be a problem (horrible inventory management system).ArvenAldmeri wrote: »I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way.
I also think the ignorance in the above quote needs to be addressed. Everyone playing this game has purchased it at some cost. Furthermore, due to the existence of the Crown Store, it is more than possible that a regular non-subbed player can purchase more coins per month, and contribute more money per month than a sub player.
In other words, just because you sub it doesn't make you superior to all the other players.
What does this have to do with anything?!!
The decision is simple: You want the bag. Sub. You don't want to pay, you don't the bag.
This isn't rocket science - and it's not an entitlement.
Sadly that is the case these days. People believe they are entitled to the same thing that others have because it is fair. People need to understand that life isn't fair. ZOS clearly believes that the subs deserve the bags and I agree with them. As I have said before, someone who pays $200 a year is more deserving than someone who only pays $100 a year. So if you really think about it, as of right now the subs are essentially paying $100 more to keep the DLC and get some pretty weak bonuses excluding the monthly crowns which is really all the sub gets you. So adding these bags is a huge benefit to the subscribers and is definitely worth the extra $100 a year.
ZOS doesn't owe us anything. They could have left the bags out of the game completely. Be grateful the bags are even being added to the game! $15 a month is not going to kill you. If you really need the bags you will sub. If not then you can make due with what you have. Nobody will gain an advantage. Nobody's experience will become worse. If you choose to let these ruin your experience than that is a personal issue. Subs do not think they are superior. Some of the non-subs even agree that crafting bags should remain ESO+ exclusive. The way some people on this thread are acting is just plain ridiculous. Claiming they deserve the bags and they should be in the crown store. Once again, ZOS doesn't owe you anything. This has been said multiple times by multiple people and I will say it again for the 100th time. If you want the bags then you better sub. The argument of saying you can't afford it should not be used. If you truly cannot afford it then maybe you shouldn't be spending money on games at all. I am not saying I don't believe people can't afford it, I just think people may be over exaggerating a little. Especially the ones who claim to have been playing since before B2P. They could sub back then so why not sub again.
*I say you referring to everyone against the crafting bags ESO+ benefit. Not directed toward one specific person
Who the hell is disputed that subs do not "deserve" the bag? Who has even suggested that non-subs "deserve" the bag for nothing? We were all offered an alternate payment model and based on our individual preference chose it under the explicit understanding that we get the same level of access and opportunity as anyone else. Now that is about to change.
Furthermore the amount subs pay come with more than just 10% bonuses. You get access and 18,000 crowns per year to spend on premium items, as well as other access. It has been the ESO+ crowd who have been whining about being owed something not the other way around. By not selling this feature anyone who chose the alternate payment method last year is getting excluded from a long awaited feature.
This game has been offered and is continuing to be sold as a subscription free game. ESO+ membership is a defacto subscription, however it is meant to be 100% optional and hiding a game feature behind it at this stage is just flat out wrong. So ZOS absolutely does owe each and every player in the game at the very least the opportunity to buy this feature regardless of your preferred payment method. It should be priced accordingly, but it should not be exclusive in order to make people switch out of their preferred mode of payment just for a single feature.
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strikeback1247 wrote: »I still haven't gotten an answer to my simple question:
What are you people hoarding??!!! How did you fill up a full bank and 8 character inventories?!
strikeback1247 wrote: »I still haven't gotten an answer to my simple question:
What are you people hoarding??!!! How did you fill up a full bank and 8 character inventories?!
dimensional wrote: »I bet there's some level of predictability to the people who purchase crowns, as well.
strikeback1247 wrote: »I still haven't gotten an answer to my simple question:
What are you people hoarding??!!! How did you fill up a full bank and 8 character inventories?!
clocksstoppe wrote: »
A well written concise post
Except it has no sources to back up the claims in it. If you seriously think your 13 EUR/ USD per month is more reliable income than buying crowns, then you are delusional to say the least. If that were the case, MMOs today would still all use mandatory subscribing, and guess what, almost none of them do, because it is a *** business model that is a failure.
Your fixed money per month is literally nothing compared to those people who buy hundreds worth of crowns constantly.
That's why everything is f2p these days with heavy orientation towards microtransactions.
CaptainBeerDude wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »
A well written concise post
Except it has no sources to back up the claims in it. If you seriously think your 13 EUR/ USD per month is more reliable income than buying crowns, then you are delusional to say the least. If that were the case, MMOs today would still all use mandatory subscribing, and guess what, almost none of them do, because it is a *** business model that is a failure.
Your fixed money per month is literally nothing compared to those people who buy hundreds worth of crowns constantly.
That's why everything is f2p these days with heavy orientation towards microtransactions.
@clocksstoppe do you really think that all B2P players spend hundreds every month on Crowns? What is your source?
I'm quite curious as I'm a B2P player and I've spent somewhere around $180. This includes the base game, adventurer pack, all DLC's, bag space, bank space, pets, mounts and some motifs I couldn't be bothered to look for.
All of these things I purchased are now avaliable for me until the servers are shut down.
In other words, my current total could be my entire expenditure on the game for the next 50 years.
ESO+ members rent the content from ZOS for a small monthly fee. It is fairly universal (at least on the forums) that it is not very good value to be a subscriber, and if they cancel the sub then no more access to anything outside of the base game. Regardless of their total spend. And you say this is unfair to you.
And also, to everyone saying they would pay $50 for a crafting bag, this total is too small for this item. The minimum outright purchase cost would be (monthly sub fee)x(months in a year). You might see a limited item bag (50ish) for about $50.
clocksstoppe wrote: »you only need one of these people who spend a ton to make up for dozens of subs. That's the exact point of b2p.
clocksstoppe wrote: »you only need one of these people who spend a ton to make up for dozens of subs. That's the exact point of b2p.
And you only need one of the subbers who spend a ton to make up for all the b2pers...most of whom spend such a trivial amount in comparison to the amount any subscription holder has spent.
This is to encourage people to subscribe - you want the bag - go sub
clocksstoppe wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »you only need one of these people who spend a ton to make up for dozens of subs. That's the exact point of b2p.
And you only need one of the subbers who spend a ton to make up for all the b2pers...most of whom spend such a trivial amount in comparison to the amount any subscription holder has spent.
This is to encourage people to subscribe - you want the bag - go sub
There will be little subbing happening because of craft bags, nobody who already bought DLCs is going to waste their money with subbing (because it would completely devalue their DLC purchases) and not many are willing to rent a craft bag for $180/year.
So yeah, plenty wanting the bag, but no sub will be happening, you can take your sub and *** off with it.