Goodbye Magicka Dk

Hutch679 · April 2016

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

Shadesofkin · April 2016

I'm not surprised by the change to proxy det but it's a shame.

strikeback1247 · April 2016

The proxy det nerf was needed. A lot.

Hutch679 · April 2016

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I'm not surprised by the change to proxy det but it's a shame.

I'm not either, and you it's not really that they are nerfing proxy det even, it's the fact that we already don't have any burst or finisher move, now they are removing the only thing we had to reliably have a chance to bringing down another player...

Shadesofkin · April 2016

I don't PvP, so I really only looked at it as a way to apply early damage to bosses in Trials.

badmojo0777b14_ESO · April 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

The proxy det nerf was needed. A lot.

no, the prox det as it was, was needed to combat ZERGS, now they will keep grouping up with nothing to fear. here comes more of the PAIN TRAINS

ostrapz · April 2016

What are you talking about? It hits weaker on solo people and only 10% weaker on a group of 10, its still just as good on zergs

Burning_Talons · April 2016

Hardly use Proxy and I do just fine.

Flak · April 2016

From a 90% PvE Player and Magicka DK-perspective I really dislike the way your going with Proxy Det. You nerf the base damage again while keeping it nearly untouched in PvP Zergs, not fixing the actual problem but making it useless for PvEers and Small Scale PvPers. I know this is a PvP Skill so you might say I shouldn't complain but thinking of all the hours I spent to get it on so many chars (pre-TG) I feel abit tricked

QuebraRegra · April 2016

Flak wrote: »

From a 90% PvE Player and Magicka DK-perspective I really dislike the way your going with Proxy Det. You nerf the base damage again while keeping it nearly untouched in PvP Zergs, not fixing the actual problem but making it useless for PvEers and Small Scale PvPers. I know this is a PvP Skill so you might say I shouldn't complain but thinking of all the hours I spent to get it on so many chars (pre-TG) I feel abit tricked

More and more this makes me want ZOS to consider a difference in "balance" between PVE versus PVP. Abilities perform differently between PVP/PVE... Likely too hard to implement, so PVE pays the Zerg price.

strikeback1247 · April 2016

Flak wrote: »

From a 90% PvE Player and Magicka DK-perspective I really dislike the way your going with Proxy Det. You nerf the base damage again while keeping it nearly untouched in PvP Zergs, not fixing the actual problem but making it useless for PvEers and Small Scale PvPers. I know this is a PvP Skill so you might say I shouldn't complain but thinking of all the hours I spent to get it on so many chars (pre-TG) I feel abit tricked

Wait what? They are doing exactly what it was intended for and what it is supposed to be. It's supposed to wreck zergs, not solo players or small groups.

Joy_Division · April 2016

So the class is dead because a non-class skill that everyone else used was changed?

exeeter702 · April 2016

Flak wrote: »

From a 90% PvE Player and Magicka DK-perspective I really dislike the way your going with Proxy Det. You nerf the base damage again while keeping it nearly untouched in PvP Zergs, not fixing the actual problem but making it useless for PvEers and Small Scale PvPers. I know this is a PvP Skill so you might say I shouldn't complain but thinking of all the hours I spent to get it on so many chars (pre-TG) I feel abit tricked

Sorry, but despite their execution, anyone with half a brain cell understood that det was always naturally intended as a group buster and not a solo burst skill.

Hutch679 · April 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

So the class is dead because a non-class skill that everyone else used was changed?

Magicka DK's already lack burst damage in the current patch. Not only do Magicka DK's lack burst damage, but they also do not have a finisher. Using proxy det is a way to reliably get timed burst damage needed to take down an enemy in pvp. Now that it is being nerfed, we will have to either a) switch to a stamina build for pvp b) utilize a more tanky sustain build with no burst and try to out sustain our opponent or c) keep running as we do now and do as best we can. To be honest, anyone else that plays Magicka DK will probably agree with me that we need some sort of execute move and that lava whip needs a decent buff, even 5% damage would be nice.

leepalmer95 · April 2016

I kind if see where your coming from, i agree it got a huge nerf this patch.

Even vsing a massive group of 50, you can usually only hit people who are taking a resource or something.

People are usually grouped in 3-4's and proxy took a huge nerf to those numbers.

I understand it being a zerg buster but when people zerg doesn't automatically mean the 50 man zerg will stack on eachother they'll be spreaded out so proxy won't be too affected.

They should increase proxy's range if their going to reduce it's dmg so much, sure make it nearly useless vs a small group but it's not exactly easy to hit a large group in it's range.

DKsUnite · April 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

flguy147ub17_ESO · April 2016

They need to just buff the whip damage, i dont see why they dont, even buff it small to begin and test it. But they need to buff the damage on the NOODLE

Hutch679 · April 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

tinythinker · April 2016

Magicka DKs need work and shouldn't have to rely on things like Proxy Det. Not sure how much is still useful but here are some previously suggested upgrades.

Bfish22090 · April 2016

re roll sorc...oh wait..re roll templar

DKsUnite · April 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.

You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.

Hutch679 · April 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.

You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.

How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.

DKsUnite · April 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.

You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.

How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.

in light armour, with about 2.4k buffed, and about 38k magicka. If i wanna burst down a healing templar i need to time a meteor coz otherwise its just lol no. gankblades can be dealt with a dodge roll, CC and get a whip heal or heal using igenous + dragon blood (or whatever you use to heal)

Minalan · April 2016

The magicka DK class needs damage.

Not a ton, but enough to be a threat to Templars without an ultimate would be nice.

Hutch679 · April 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.

You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.

How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.

in light armour, with about 2.4k buffed, and about 38k magicka. If i wanna burst down a healing templar i need to time a meteor coz otherwise its just lol no. gankblades can be dealt with a dodge roll, CC and get a whip heal or heal using igenous + dragon blood (or whatever you use to heal)

You only have 2.4k buffed? I'm at 3.2k spell damage buffed with 40% crit, 2450 critical resistance, and 38.5k magicka... I must be doing something way wrong... Lol back to the drawing board

hammayolettuce · April 2016

losing prox det does nothing when you already have to rely on using meteor to kill 9/10 people in 1v1 situations lol .. it just gets exponentially worse as you add +1 people. Whip just does lack luster dmg in pvp compared to every other class.

Ishammael · April 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.

You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.

How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.

in light armour, with about 2.4k buffed, and about 38k magicka. If i wanna burst down a healing templar i need to time a meteor coz otherwise its just lol no. gankblades can be dealt with a dodge roll, CC and get a whip heal or heal using igenous + dragon blood (or whatever you use to heal)

You only have 2.4k buffed? I'm at 3.2k spell damage buffed with 40% crit, 2450 critical resistance, and 38.5k magicka... I must be doing something way wrong... Lol back to the drawing board

If you have that much stats and still can't kill things you need to practice more on your rotation and how to engage.
There is a nice medium on DK between raw power/offense and defensive play. You probably sacrificed all of your defense to get those stats.

Reevster · April 2016

I think there will be more hybrid DK type builds with the DB new gear and heavy Armor improvements. I like the set that gives the same Spell damage and weapon damage , could be interesting, but still will have a resource issue for one or the other, but its a step in the right direction.

Hutch679 · April 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.

You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.

How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.

in light armour, with about 2.4k buffed, and about 38k magicka. If i wanna burst down a healing templar i need to time a meteor coz otherwise its just lol no. gankblades can be dealt with a dodge roll, CC and get a whip heal or heal using igenous + dragon blood (or whatever you use to heal)

You only have 2.4k buffed? I'm at 3.2k spell damage buffed with 40% crit, 2450 critical resistance, and 38.5k magicka... I must be doing something way wrong... Lol back to the drawing board

If you have that much stats and still can't kill things you need to practice more on your rotation and how to engage.
There is a nice medium on DK between raw power/offense and defensive play. You probably sacrificed all of your defense to get those stats.

I have sacrificed no defense. I also have 28k health, and 15.5k stamina in cyrodiil. I'm at roughly 22k spell resist and 15k physical resist when buffed as well.

My setup is....

Molag kena
5/5 Kagrenacs Hope
3/5 Vicious death
3/3 Willpower

Sword/Shield
Resto Staff

I think my rotation must be off or something. Probably just need more practice.

Forgot to mention I'm at 1611 magicka recovery. I have 466 champion points.

ManDraKE · April 2016

Goodbye magika dk? ROLF

Heavy armor buff - CHECK
Vampire buff - CHECK
Harness Magika buff - CHECK

Magika dk is going to be way better in this patch, just learn how to build one properly.

DKsUnite · April 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.

lol? i never used proxy because of the fact that it was a cheap skill and i do more then just fine.

You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.

i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.

You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.

How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.

in light armour, with about 2.4k buffed, and about 38k magicka. If i wanna burst down a healing templar i need to time a meteor coz otherwise its just lol no. gankblades can be dealt with a dodge roll, CC and get a whip heal or heal using igenous + dragon blood (or whatever you use to heal)

You only have 2.4k buffed? I'm at 3.2k spell damage buffed with 40% crit, 2450 critical resistance, and 38.5k magicka... I must be doing something way wrong... Lol back to the drawing board

If you have that much stats and still can't kill things you need to practice more on your rotation and how to engage.
There is a nice medium on DK between raw power/offense and defensive play. You probably sacrificed all of your defense to get those stats.

yeh what ish said. I find that amount of SD overkill, i would rather get more sustain/ultimates through bloodspawn